Bangkok Reports

[Tomasb]

I keep waiting to hear someone mention it on here but I have some on the ground reporting that the owner of Lolita's committed suicide within the last week. Don't know any other details, or even if the owner is Thai or Farang but figure I would post it to see if this can be confirmed. Obviously, they have been closed for quite a while and the likelihood of their opening even on the latest proposed Jan 15th date remains in doubt.

[EihTooms]

Oops
Haha. Sorry about the confusion. But I was just passing along a report from a buddy. You should see some of his hundreds of porn vids with these girls. Tie them up, gags them, and shoves his feet in their mouths. But strangely, sex is done with a condom on. So I wonder who is the pot and who is the kettle?
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Lol. See, some of this is so confused and confusing it isn't easy to tell if you are posting any report from your own experiences or if they have all been from your buddy. Wouldn't it be easier for him to simply think up a nic of his own, sign in and post these reports himself?

Yes, I admit I forgot that either he or you said "last Saturday night" instead of "last night" in my reply to a report before. But his or your clarification that he actually might have turned left and walked down that passage on the previous Saturday night came several days later. And he also said he took a girl from there "another" night or time. So was that the Wednesday or Thursday I misunderstood it to be or does that one go all the way back his first walk by when he assessed the talent to be "yuck"?

Which one of you was the one who claimed to be "in Thailand 20 months now" yet are only recently discovering there are many Ladyboys just about everywhere in the red light districts? That and the claim that there were only about 50 girls and 20 customers combined in the Soi 7 collection of bars at 8:15 last Saturday night (are you sure it wasn't Sunday or more like 5PM?) was at least worth asking for a follow-up confirmation in case they were typos. It's possible. I do it all the time. I think many of us are typing these out with our thumbs on a narrow smartphone keyboard.

And I gotta' ask; Are those girls he has paid, fucked and video recorded hundreds of times so he and you can relive the glory of it all for years to come the "yuck" girls or are they the top of the line super hot girls he or you specializes in taking who would rarely be desperate enough to accept 1,200 - 1,500 baht anyway but apparently do so in exchange for knowingly or unknowingly being video recorded bound and gagged with his feet shoved in their mouths before or after he fucks them with a condom?

Gets his feet in there around the gag, does he? And if they refuse to DFK him after that it is going to be one of the weirdest and most perplexing revelations yet.

Inquiring minds want to know in order to less our confusion (wink).

[Member #4753]

I do notice the police turn up at soi 11 and soi 7 around 9 or 10 on most nights. I guess they don't want the places to just go nuts and completely disregard the rules with drinking into the morning. A controlled braking of the rules seems to be in place.

Ironically when there was a curfew in Bangkok of 9 pm, the little curtain "restaurants" on soi 11 still operated after 9 pm. I was home by that time but could see patrons still thinning out to say 10 pm on most nights. There were even taxis and motobike taxis lined up to take the patrons home.

The last 30 days of the 9 pm curfew was definitely a "soft curfew" as opposed to the lock them up on the spot first curfews in 2020.

In thailand there are rules, but many are mere guidelines controlled but each area or province. Unless you come accross the wrong cop or really f**k up.

[Explorer8939]

When police raid an illegal bar, typically everyone gets hauled down to the station, even those not drinking alcohol.

[EihTooms]

I'm going to confirm that ET's reports are accurate as well. Soi 7 would be the place where I'd head to (for those who liked the Gogo scenes at Nana).

Although, personally I wouldn't be caught in the area after 9 pm; even if the brown uniform guys have been paid off pretty well. Why risk it?

You would be right to be wary about that as would any of us. However, I don't think the current issue is with customers drinking alcohol in these bars. Serving alcohol is definitely an issue and there are reports of bar staff being arrested for that. But if the bar is serving drinks in paper cups and mugs, despite the fact that it is an "open secret" that they are serving alcohol in some if not most of them, it is a stretch to say the police would round up and arrest every patron in a place where alcohol was being served to some patrons that way. In my case, all I would likely have in front of me is a club soda or coke in one of those cups. Everyone sitting in a bone fide restaurant in Bangkok on any day or night of the week could be rounded up and arrested for that even if some of them had no beverage at all on their table and had no idea some people at other tables had booze in their cups.

It could be the authorities in that jurisdiction are willing to accept the strained but workable pretense that some of those places are not exactly "entertainment venues or pubs" or "restaurants" but are legally allowed to be open and operate in the same way a storefront venue or a street cart serves coffee, tea, juice, water and sodas. In that way, they could be open legally well before the official old December 1st or new mid-January 2022 date for "entertainment venues and pubs", but not legally allowed to serve alcohol. Therefore it is the people serving the alcohol to some customers who are at risk, not the patrons.

Instead, it appears issues that can trigger a full bar round up are things like "inadequate ventilation and congestion" and not about some customers drinking alcohol that has been served to them.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...ightclubs-bars

Dr Taweesilp said on Friday the Covid task force remained worried that the reopening of night entertainment businesses could lead to more infections if no appropriate measures had been in place. Inadequate ventilation and congestions were among its key concerns, he added.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1237010-6...humvit-soi-23/

Thong Lor Police arrested 61 people after carrying out a raid at a bar on Sukhumvit Soi 23.

Police said they received a tip off that alcohol was being served on the 2nd floor of the bar.

Upon visiting the premises, police said that as well as finding alcohol being served, many people were dancing, increasing the risk of spreading COVID-19.

Police said they found receipts which confirmed the sale of alcohol.

Police said they arrested 61 people in total, 26 men and 35 women, all of whom were charged with violating the emergency decree and Communicable Diseases Act.

The bar's owner was also charged with serving alcohol.

Those arrested were taken to Thong Lor Police Station for processing.

When I saw the boys in brown standing around right outside the passage off Soi 7 next to Random Bar last night about 8PM it is very likely they were waiting to see just how crowded and busy the place was going to get. I can't see how poor ventilation would be an issue there. But over crowding sure can be an issue on their busiest nights. Of course, it wouldn't be issue if only 50 girls and 20 customers showed up at 5PM, 8:15PM, 9PM or any other time. But when it is as crowded and busy as I have seen it on Friday and Saturday nights over the past several weeks, I suppose it is very possible the authorities would have to do something about it. And I certainly be wrong about it, but I'm guessing in those cases they wouldn't just start rounding up and arresting everyone before they at least told the bar owners to close down and start clearing people out first.

I also suspect just the sudden appearance of a few boys in brown is enough to thin out the crowd at bit at a moment's notice.

[T Chizzle]

Random Bar was so busy...

Buyer Beware at all times.

I'm going to confirm that ET's reports are accurate as well. Soi 7 would be the place where I'd head to (for those who liked the Gogo scenes at Nana).

Although, personally I wouldn't be caught in the area after 9 pm; even if the brown uniform guys have been paid off pretty well. Why risk it?

[ElMexicant]

So if anybody paid a barfine, they probably were silly enough to pay barfines at Thermae as well. Unless they were just joking and telling a fantastic story with more holes than Swiss cheese.

Best comment of the month. Bar fines at Thermae? WTH.

[EihTooms]

That is low, very low. Just because some girls don't look pretty and have to sell their body doesn't mean they are to be made fun of or taken advantage of.

You can still behave in a respectful manner.

If he was a post-op Ladyboy, he might have been more of the aggressor in that scenario than his customer realized.

[EihTooms]

So who is confused again?

1. he reported first. "As for the rest of Soi 4, I only walked to Hillary 2, which was open, a bit busy, with some live music and lots of people, but not my cup of tea. I never hung out there even in when Bangkok was at its best. The talent just isn't there. It's like a has been type of atmosphere with bad karaoke, filled with fake laughter. Just too weird for me."

You responded after. "he also never mentioned anything about Hillary 2 on Soi Nana / Soi 4 being open at the time of his first report, one of the largest beer bars on that soi offering food, drink, pool, girls."

(Hiliary 2 was clearly written).

2. he reported first. "There are a few make shift bars with music and people behind curtains on that same Soi (referring to Biergarten which is 7), just to the left as you make your way in. But once again, the talent level was simply yuck. Not a very happening place to be. It's the same feeling you get the you walk into a GoGo bar, and there are a bunch of fuglies trying to dance on stage, the mamasan comes and says "you can choose," and you just want to leave, but too embarrassed for them (not you). Yeah, it's like that."

You responded after. "tell him to walk "down" Soi 7 a short distance some evening and make a left turn into the collection of a dozen or so bars often packed with girls, many Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Patpong go-go girls as well as Thermae girls (from normal times) looking for customers and ready to party."

(Sure sounds like the same Soi here, but different beer goggles).

3. he reported first. "So I walked into those Soi 7 beer bars last Saturday night as well. There seems to be some glorification of of what's going on the ground. The girls remind me of lower end Soi 6 girls. Really. It wasn't packed 200 plus, maybe 50 girls (for all the clusters of bars total) at the most and the customers that were "young, fit, fairly good looking athletic guys" were not there. I only saw about 20 expat customers and this was at 8:15 pm."

You responded after. "So you stopped by those bars on Wednesday or Thursday night and apparently still saw about 50 girls there."

(Saturday was clearly written).

4. You reported first. "However, since all those bars have been rocking, packed with tons of girls and were legally permitted to be open since at least November 1. "

He responded after. "Bars and entertainment venues have not been allowed to open in Bangkok as of November 1st. What has been allowed is venues serving food (mainly restaurants), that have been SHA certified to be able to serve alcohol unit 9 pm. These approved establishments will have an SHA certificate proudly displayed with a certificate number that is registered in a database."

(The word legally should have never been used. Can get people in trouble. Nothing is legal about these police traps).

5. You reported first. "Today I was told by one of my go-go girl favorites that some Nana Plaza go-go bars will re-open on November 16. I have not heard anything about Soi Cowboy go-go bars or Patpong go-go bars specifically but I assume if they can re-open in Nana Plaza they can re-open anywhere in the city."

Richard Barrow has reported after. "Jan 15th at the earliest."

(Who listens to Gogo bar girls about legal shit anyways?

So I have to ask once more, are you sure you are okay? Just a wellness check pal. And now to my buddy's final report below.

I find it very odd how there is no mention of ladyboys working at these horseshoe cluster of beer bars on Soi 7 and at Random. Spot them the first time I walked in. There are a shit load and they are mixed in with the girls. There is even a silly pole stage with one or two dancers. Funny how the expats who are supposed to be reporting, leave it out about the ladyboys. Wonder why? And no the do not openly serve booze. Few bottles liquor are locked in a silver cooler and everything else like mixers, are in one of those blue coolers you see with the beach chair vendors. Cups are opaque large plastic ones used at kids birthday parties. The bill handwritten doesn't specify alcohol, so yes it's all down low, not in the open. The venues know they are breaking the law. There is a very talented lesbo tom who sings in the mic at Random. She gets pissed when I try to pinch her tits. Talent is there in her voice though.

To his credit, the talent at these Soi 7 beer bars seems to be getting slightly better than before, but still only a handful I would mess with. I took another one just last night. She was young, taller, skinny, long hair, dyed with two different colors right and left (light and dark). No barfine needed. I did buy her a drink. These girls told me they don't work for the bar. They can come and go as they please. The bars don't have any money to pay a guaranteed salary. So if anybody paid a barfine, they probably were silly enough to pay barfines at Thermae as well. Unless they were just joking and telling a fantastic story with more holes than Swiss cheese. They are desperate freelancers. 1000 baht 1 hour for her with one leg raised on the window sill, fucking her from behind, while pinching the shit out of her cllt, with her titties pressed against the glass. She screamed pretty loud when my thumb went into her ass. I think some might have noticed, but who cares. Wonder why girls forget where your fingers have been when you shove them in their mouths? Luckily it was close to 9 and not many people walking on the BTS skywalk. Some but not many, I was kinda busy. You can look at porn with no problem, but want to cry about voyeurism. Funny. One more time. There is no barfine because all entertainment venues are supposed to be closed.

Oh, so he did mention that Hillary 2 was open but that he "only walkied to" it. My bad. Apparently he did not "hang out there" because during normal times it was not his cup of tea. Well, at least it was a useful report that one can "walk" there, look inside but not necessarily "hang out" there.

Sorry, but the way he described bars with curtains and people behind them in that first report is simply nothing like what would have been the case if he had turned left off Soi 7 and walked down that passage (not "just to the left" on Soi 7). As I said, there are a couple of empty cubicles with the entrances covered entirely by mesh curtains "just to the left" as you walk in Soi 7. But that is not where the bulk of those Soi 7 collection of bars is. You have to turn left and walk down that passage.

You really only saw about 50 girls and about 20 customers in those Soi 7 bars last Saturday night? My god, what time of night was that? 5pm? Maybe that's why it did not register with me that you were talking about Saturday night and not a much quieter night. There were easily 200+ girls in those Soi 7 bars that Saturday night and maybe 100+ customers.

They were packed with girls again tonight, Friday night. Easily 200+ at 8pm, same as last Friday and Saturday nights. I would say certainly plenty of options between "super hot girls" you seemed to mistakenly think I reported and "yuck" girls your friend might have only seen in the couple of bars ON Soi 7 that time.

Random Bar was so busy and it took the very fuckable young girl who grabbed me as I was heading back out to Soi 7 through that passage so long to get her and me a drink she said forget it, just take me to your room for ST. No LD, no barfine, no unpleasant surprises in my room. Another displaced go-go dancer in waiting. Very satisfyiing DFK, BBBJ, BBFS+CIP Real Sex. No hurry from about 8:30pm until Midnight, 1,500 + 200 for taxi.

Nov. 1 was a kind of "Grand Re-Opening" date for most of the beer bars on Soi 4, Soi 7, Soi 8 and Soi 11. I notice tonight the Soi 11 bars did not even bother with the curtains. The boys in brown were definitely present and accounted for on Soi 7 right next to Random Bar.

Apparently, whoever it is that makes the determination that a venue in the district can be open legally until a certain hour of the night has done so for all those bars. So far.

Oh, and did you miss the Subject Title for my post regarding November 16? About it only being a Rumor, not a News Report from a go-go dancer that go-go bars might reopen then? It was highlighted in black at the very top of the post as usual. If you really didn't see it or my subsequent characterization of it as a Rumor in at least one other post and not as a News Report from a go-go dancer, you might look into that wellness check you mentioned.

Btw, wasn't December 1st a possible target date for some of these things in "real" news sources referenced and posted by a few members here? Guess those "real" news sources got it about as right as a Rumor from a go-go dancer.

Pointing out that Ladyboys can be in the mix on the street, in beer bars, online, the dating sites, massage shops, even in many go-go bars, everywhere in Thailand, would scarcely be something of a big news item. How many months have you been here again? Actually, the availability of Ladyboys isn't a topic particularly encouraged on this site. But if you are looking for some, they are practically everywhere.

For everyone else, Buyer Beware at all times.

[Explorer8939]

The CCSA held a general meeting chaired by PM Prayut today The official opening of Bars and nightlife venues have been pushed to January 15,2022.

There was rumours it would be November 15, then December 1. Unfortunately opening enterntainment venues does not look likely this year.

Having said this, now that the border is open, there will be more ladies returning to Bangkok. I think the venues to hook up will be very fluid IE will change daily or weekly.

To be clear, January is a "No Earlier Then" date, not a firm opening date.

[RacShack]

So who is confused again?

1. he reported first. "As for the rest of Soi 4, I only walked to Hillary 2, which was open, a bit busy, with some live music and lots of people, but not my cup of tea. I never hung out there even in when Bangkok was at its best. The talent just isn't there. It's like a has been type of atmosphere with bad karaoke, filled with fake laughter. Just too weird for me."

You responded after. "he also never mentioned anything about Hillary 2 on Soi Nana / Soi 4 being open at the time of his first report, one of the largest beer bars on that soi offering food, drink, pool, girls."

(Hiliary 2 was clearly written).

2. he reported first. "There are a few make shift bars with music and people behind curtains on that same Soi (referring to Biergarten which is 7), just to the left as you make your way in. But once again, the talent level was simply yuck. Not a very happening place to be. It's the same feeling you get the you walk into a GoGo bar, and there are a bunch of fuglies trying to dance on stage, the mamasan comes and says "you can choose," and you just want to leave, but too embarrassed for them (not you). Yeah, it's like that."

You responded after. "tell him to walk "down" Soi 7 a short distance some evening and make a left turn into the collection of a dozen or so bars often packed with girls, many Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Patpong go-go girls as well as Thermae girls (from normal times) looking for customers and ready to party."

(Sure sounds like the same Soi here, but different beer goggles).

3. he reported first. "So I walked into those Soi 7 beer bars last Saturday night as well. There seems to be some glorification of of what's going on the ground. The girls remind me of lower end Soi 6 girls. Really. It wasn't packed 200 plus, maybe 50 girls (for all the clusters of bars total) at the most and the customers that were "young, fit, fairly good looking athletic guys" were not there. I only saw about 20 expat customers and this was at 8:15 pm."

You responded after. "So you stopped by those bars on Wednesday or Thursday night and apparently still saw about 50 girls there."

(Saturday was clearly written).

4. You reported first. "However, since all those bars have been rocking, packed with tons of girls and were legally permitted to be open since at least November 1. "

He responded after. "Bars and entertainment venues have not been allowed to open in Bangkok as of November 1st. What has been allowed is venues serving food (mainly restaurants), that have been SHA certified to be able to serve alcohol unit 9 pm. These approved establishments will have an SHA certificate proudly displayed with a certificate number that is registered in a database."

(The word legally should have never been used. Can get people in trouble. Nothing is legal about these police traps).

5. You reported first. "Today I was told by one of my go-go girl favorites that some Nana Plaza go-go bars will re-open on November 16. I have not heard anything about Soi Cowboy go-go bars or Patpong go-go bars specifically but I assume if they can re-open in Nana Plaza they can re-open anywhere in the city."

Richard Barrow has reported after. "Jan 15th at the earliest."

(Who listens to Gogo bar girls about legal shit anyways?

So I have to ask once more, are you sure you are okay? Just a wellness check pal. And now to my buddy's final report below.

.. But even Random Bar, the biggest one right on Soi 7 has been openly serving booze, providing live entertainment and hosting dozens of girls on their busiest nights since November 1...

I find it very odd how there is no mention of ladyboys working at these horseshoe cluster of beer bars on Soi 7 and at Random. Spot them the first time I walked in. There are a shit load and they are mixed in with the girls. There is even a silly pole stage with one or two dancers. Funny how the expats who are supposed to be reporting, leave it out about the ladyboys. Wonder why? And no the do not openly serve booze. Few bottles liquor are locked in a silver cooler and everything else like mixers, are in one of those blue coolers you see with the beach chair vendors. Cups are opaque large plastic ones used at kids birthday parties. The bill handwritten doesn't specify alcohol, so yes it's all down low, not in the open. The venues know they are breaking the law. There is a very talented lesbo tom who sings in the mic at Random. She gets pissed when I try to pinch her tits. Talent is there in her voice though.

To his credit, the talent at these Soi 7 beer bars seems to be getting slightly better than before, but still only a handful I would mess with. I took another one just last night. She was young, taller, skinny, long hair, dyed with two different colors right and left (light and dark). No barfine needed. I did buy her a drink. These girls told me they don't work for the bar. They can come and go as they please. The bars don't have any money to pay a guaranteed salary. So if anybody paid a barfine, they probably were silly enough to pay barfines at Thermae as well. Unless they were just joking and telling a fantastic story with more holes than Swiss cheese. They are desperate freelancers. 1000 baht 1 hour for her with one leg raised on the window sill, fucking her from behind, while pinching the shit out of her cllt, with her titties pressed against the glass. She screamed pretty loud when my thumb went into her ass. I think some might have noticed, but who cares. Wonder why girls forget where your fingers have been when you shove them in their mouths? Luckily it was close to 9 and not many people walking on the BTS skywalk. Some but not many, I was kinda busy. You can look at porn with no problem, but want to cry about voyeurism. Funny. One more time. There is no barfine because all entertainment venues are supposed to be closed.

[Member #4753]

The CCSA held a general meeting chaired by PM Prayut today The official opening of Bars and nightlife venues have been pushed to January 15,2022.

There was rumours it would be November 15, then December 1. Unfortunately opening enterntainment venues does not look likely this year.

Having said this, now that the border is open, there will be more ladies returning to Bangkok. I think the venues to hook up will be very fluid IE will change daily or weekly.

[EihTooms]

How EihTooms described Soi 7 is quite accurate. The bars form a horseshow pattern where you enter off soi 7 to the left and there are many more bars etc along sub sois and eventually they lead back out into Soi 7 again. If you did not enter you would not notice that there is quite a lot of bars and women in there.

Since November 1 when quasi restaurants / bars, can serve alcohol again there has been a pick up in activity. Albiet rather muted. Mostly expats getting out for a drink again joined by a few 1000 arrivals. So the numbers are still thin on the ground and activity is very patchy. Some places seem good 1 night and the next night dead again or limping along again.

I went out to Soi 7 one night and it was pumping, then the next night dead. This was a few days after November 1, so I guess many more expats were coming out.

Soi 11 was probably the area that the curtain bars were referred to. There is a bunch of outside eateries half way up Soi 11 on the left which now have 2 rows of curtains out the front of each little row of establishments. There is probably 6 or so in a row. Once you pull back 1 curtain, then enter the second curtain it is just like a normal bar pre covid. These bars have been operating for the last few months and have been quite busy. There has been working girls in there but with their boyfriend rather than having large numbers of free girls on the hunt. I am sure some were available though. The police are always hanging around so are well aware of what is happening and surely directly the brown paper bags to the correct people higher up.

Soi 4 has been open since Nov 01. It is building but without Nana open missing its biggest draw the 20 or so establishments open never seem to be more than 1/3 full at the moment. It is worth a wander through.

Soi 8 has a few new restaurants / bars. Some nights it is quite lively but still nothing special. It is worth dropping by when in lower sukhumwit.

Summary: I have been surprised how some activity has sprung up relatively quickly. It is a mere shadow of pre covid, but way better than seeing these places dark and completely shuttered. If there is not another major covid outbreak these places might look half decent after Christmas. At the moment I would not jump on a plane to come here, but Jan or Feb it might be worth it.

Yes I thought the fellow who wrote that report got the "curtain" bars on Soi 11 confused with what existed on Soi 7 too. But he never responded to my reply and request for clarification about it. So who knows.

I think it is worth pointing out that curtains to "hide" the drinking activity in Soi 11 bars or the way the little passage off Soi 7 is naturally shaped to "hide" the drinking activity back there has nothing to do with preventing the police or boys in brown from knowing all about it. They know all about it.

It has everything to do with preventing it from being so blatantly obvious to even the casual passerby that it makes the authorities in charge look bad for not doing something about it or clearly complicit and supportive of the activity.

Curtains on a well traveled soi like Soi 11 and the little bend down that passage on Soi 7 provide at least some "buffer of deniability" on the issue.

[Member #4753]

How EihTooms described Soi 7 is quite accurate. The bars form a horseshow pattern where you enter off soi 7 to the left and there are many more bars etc along sub sois and eventually they lead back out into Soi 7 again. If you did not enter you would not notice that there is quite a lot of bars and women in there.

Since November 1 when quasi restaurants / bars, can serve alcohol again there has been a pick up in activity. Albiet rather muted. Mostly expats getting out for a drink again joined by a few 1000 arrivals. So the numbers are still thin on the ground and activity is very patchy. Some places seem good 1 night and the next night dead again or limping along again.

I went out to Soi 7 one night and it was pumping, then the next night dead. This was a few days after November 1, so I guess many more expats were coming out.

Soi 11 was probably the area that the curtain bars were referred to. There is a bunch of outside eateries half way up Soi 11 on the left which now have 2 rows of curtains out the front of each little row of establishments. There is probably 6 or so in a row. Once you pull back 1 curtain, then enter the second curtain it is just like a normal bar pre covid. These bars have been operating for the last few months and have been quite busy. There has been working girls in there but with their boyfriend rather than having large numbers of free girls on the hunt. I am sure some were available though. The police are always hanging around so are well aware of what is happening and surely directly the brown paper bags to the correct people higher up.

Soi 4 has been open since Nov 01. It is building but without Nana open missing its biggest draw the 20 or so establishments open never seem to be more than 1/3 full at the moment. It is worth a wander through.

Soi 8 has a few new restaurants / bars. Some nights it is quite lively but still nothing special. It is worth dropping by when in lower sukhumwit.

Summary: I have been surprised how some activity has sprung up relatively quickly. It is a mere shadow of pre covid, but way better than seeing these places dark and completely shuttered. If there is not another major covid outbreak these places might look half decent after Christmas. At the moment I would not jump on a plane to come here, but Jan or Feb it might be worth it.

[EihTooms]

Corrected again.

Whoever wrote, "However, since all those bars have been rocking, packed with tons of girls and were legally permitted to be open since at least November 1."

Which is misinformation. Luckily, I don't mind setting people straight. Bars and entertainment venues HAVE NOT been allowed to open in Bangkok as of November 1st. What has been allowed is venues serving food (mainly restaurants), that have been SHA certified to be able to serve alcohol unit 9 pm. These approved establishments will have an SHA certificate proudly displayed with a certificate number that is registered in a database. So there is no "were legally permitted" thing as was written.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...ite-sha-clinic

Exactly like the article reads. Plus, on Sunday I was eating at Burger King next to Nana and met an inspector / cop preparing for inspection / raid. I pretended to be a newly arrived tourist and asked him about the rules. He said exactly what I wrote above. I asked him for recommendations to where to hang out and he told me to avoid places that DO NOT have the certificates and look like bars with fly by night BBQ pits outside. And he noted the ones on Soi 7. He said they know everything that goes on. So for expats in BKK who think they are some covert secret society with all this hidden information, that's funny as heck.

In order for the police to collect tea money or raid money, the owners of these shady businesses have to be able to accumulate money in the first place. This is how the war on drugs work and so does the world of corruption. So they let the sales go on until it's time to collect and pay up. And yes, the entire Sukhumvit are their eyes and ears from the viagra and sex toys vendors, beggars, fruit stands, motors taxis and much much more. It's an entire network. So please, don't think by not discussing open bars on sex forum, you are somehow one step ahead of the police here in Thailand and doing everybody a favor. What did people think happened when Lisa on the Beach Bar got raided in Pattaya? That bar was located almost next to the police station. Foreigners got arrested and fined and then the bar reopened up the next night. Mean to tell me owners didn't know and weren't involved? They create this false blanket of security as if they got some magic stick to allow them to break the rules.

So I walked into those Soi 7 beer bars last Saturday night as well. There seems to be some glorification of of what's going on the ground. The girls remind me of lower end Soi 6 girls. Really. It wasn't packed 200 plus, maybe 50 girls (for all the clusters of bars total) at the most and the customers that were "young, fit, fairly good looking athletic guys" were not there. I only saw about 20 expat customers and this was at 8:15 pm. Soi Nana was not much better. Looks that those pics. I am not sure why anybody would write that. Just think about it. It's a group of beer bars with no SHA certificates, no masks, illegally operating. So you are telling me these super hot girls that used to work in Gogo bars and Thermae are suddenly desperate enough to work out of these bar bars? The hotter ones are usually the smarter ones who know how to take care of themselves and their looks. Did they get dumb and stupid all of the sudden to risk working in illegal bars which can be raided at anytime? And outside Nana Plaza was not much better. Never once have I ever saw any talent worth getting from Stumble Inn or Morning Night in any of my trips to Thailand. Fun to me is not sitting and staring at the empty streets with scattered ladyboys, with a warm beer paid for the seat.

And if you have to pay 500 baht barfine to a girl you already know, during these low and slow times, then you have a problem. Especially, if you already had BBFS and GFE with her before. I have been in Thailand 20 months now. And as a tourist, no an expat or remote worker. I have not paid a barfine, even when everything was opened. Whether the girl was a new one or an old flame or a repeat. Who the heck pays for a barfine, when there is no alcohol sales after 9 pm? Seems like glorification at its best. Maybe it was all written in jest.

I even sat down and bought a 100 baht beer at the center bar when you walked in. The best looking thing was in that entire group of beer bars was a manager or PR girl just as you walk in. When I said best, I was am very nice. I spent about 15 minutes allowing her to grope my dick inside my shorts for a drink before I left. Funny thing is I saw her greet another customer and touches his face with the same hand. Nasty. On another night, there was a thin girl with dark hair, almost bob like haircut, wearing small shorts who tried to pull me in for drinks. She was walking on Soi 7 with another girl. We walked in together to those set of beer bars and I immediately wanted to walk out because it was dead. She was like "I go with you. " And so she did. No barfine and 1000ST. She was about the only decent thing I've seen in Soi 7, the entire 45 days I've been here. I took her to my room nearby and fucked her ass naked with her face and tits pressed against the glass of the window, in my room, overlooking the BTS skywalk. Told her my window was one way only. I left the light on when it was time to walk her back. And pointed to my room from the outside. You can see everything, She was pissed, so I tipped her 50 baht. But yeah, there is still better talent to be found with incalls and outcalls for 1500. See the pic pf what the cat dragged in a few days ago for 1500. Used the open window on her as well.

The reason I concluded your friend "missed it. It happens," based on the reports of his you posted originally is because it really was easy at the time of his first report to miss that collection of a dozen or so bars on Soi 7 unless you turn left off of Soi 7 and actually walk down that little passage between Sukhumvit Road and Beer Garden, particularly when there might have been only 1-2 bars with any girls working in them ON Soi 7 at the time of his first report. Which your friend's first report did not say he did. Instead, he said something about bars with curtains and people behind them (whatever that was) and then he checked out Beer Garden and left. I have been with punters who were intent on checking out Beer Garden on Soi 7 and walked right past that little passage without a clue there was a collection of bars, often packed with girls and customers, right after the passage makes a small right turn.

That's why I replied to that original report and asked for more details about those supposed bars with "curtains and people behind them." But neither you nor your friend replied, which further supported my assumption that he had no idea what else to say about some supposed bars like that and that "he missed it."

In fact, it was probably because the bars down that little passage were not easily visible to the casual passerby that they have been open and hosting girls pretty much since the major closures began months and months ago without being raided.

Yes, official badge or not, like virtually every beer bar on Soi Nana/Soi 4 now, even they can pretend to be "restaurants" instead of strictly bars and serve alcohol without much worry of being raided as late as 9PM since November 1. If anything, they can jump into the pretense even faster if ever necessary since the bulk of them down that little passage is relatively "hidden." But even Random Bar, the biggest one right on Soi 7 has been openly serving booze, providing live entertainment and hosting dozens of girls on their busiest nights since November 1, three days before your friend said he only walked "towards" Soi 7 to see what girls were hanging out on Sukhumvit Road and not "down" Soi 7.

So you stopped by those bars on Wednesday or Thursday night and apparently still saw about 50 girls there. Ok. That's still quite a bit more girls than your friend ever suggested were there when all he reported on were some weird bars with "curtains and people behind them." Nobody said anything about "super hot" girls, btw. Or "the hottest girls ever', the "hottest girls who worked in Thermae during normal times" or anything of the kind. Still, you and your friend should have been there last Friday and Saturday night. Looks like you both have "missed it" up to now.

And if you have to pay 500 baht barfine to a girl you already know, during these low and slow times, then you have a problem. Especially, if you already had BBFS and GFE with her before. I have been in Thailand 20 months now. And as a tourist, no an expat or remote worker. I have not paid a barfine, even when everything was opened. Whether the girl was a new one or an old flame or a repeat. Who the heck pays for a barfine, when there is no alcohol sales after 9 pm? Seems like glorification at its best. Maybe it was all written in jest.

Well, you see here's the deal with that. First, particularly as an expat living here, I am interested in supporting the bars, keeping them open to attract more and better girls to the area at all times. If there was ever a time not to screw the bar out of whatever reasonable money they could rake in by opening their doors and, yes, even taking the kind of chances you feel they are taking by doing so and hosting tons more girls over time, this is it.

Second, I know some of these girls want to be seen by the bar owners and the other girls getting the barfine from a customer and walking out with him. It is a feather in their cap, especially if the guy might be one the other girls would very much prefer walking out with instead of sitting with the lonely, broken down, fat, old alcoholics your friend characterized as the primary customers for these venues. It demonstrates to the bar owners what kind of customer the girl can get and ought to be brought to or pointed out to the customer as often as possible rather than the alternative. Some girls have actually told me that was the reason. Maybe you have never been a factor in that kind of bargirl tactic. 500 baht is no big deal for me to give them for that feather in their cap "gift."

How important can it be to them? I have had bar girls finally drop their already negotiated down asking price by the cost of the barfine so I will take them out right now instead of waiting for them to show up at my room after their bar closes. So it's either pay the 500 baht to the bar now or pay it to her directly later. I suspect that was the case here too. And I like to be seen by other girls in a bar walking out with cute young girls seemingly absolutely thrilled about it and clinging to me like their highschool sweetheart. My experience has been it greatly improves the chances of them wanting to replace her next time and on whatever DFK, Shaved Pussy, BBFS+CIP and/or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow terms I state.

Third, now that the girl in question got her jollies by me paying the 500 baht barfine and walking out of the bar with her, she has contacted me almost every day asking to see me anytime, no barfine.

Fourth, I don't care if the bar closes at 2AM, 11PM or 9PM, my days of "saving" the piddling cost of a barfine and waiting dutifully in my room or wherever like a sick puppy for a girl I want to fuck to leave the bar, leave her friends, skip the communal eating or drinking after hours (or not) and fucking her on HER time schedule are over. I've been here long enough and gotten "no barfine" or even "free" after hours fucks from the girls here often enough to know the best Real Sex for me will not be happening after the girl has gotten all the Ladydrinks she can put into her body until the bar closes and the customers leave, when she is tired, sleepy, possibly fucked out from 1-2 Short Times already and might pass out in someone else's bed in a drunken stupor and not show up at all.

Been there, done that. I can afford the 500 baht and get her at her prime at a time of the evening when she is actually "working" for the money, not "sleeping" for it and precisely the hour I want to fuck her on MY schedule.