Bangkok Reports

[Gilolo]

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.

Well I was never in Germany so I didn't know it's easy to fuck bareback in Germany. Can you tell me the names of the bordels you go to fuck bareback? Usually in Europe, I love to fuck high sexy escorts and they never accept BBFS. But yes in Thailand and Cambodia, I don't have any problem to fuck bareback the ost sexy working girls of BKK, Pattaya, Phuket, PP. It's so easy! If they don't want, like I say each time, just give 500 or 1000 TIP more and the problem is fixed!

In Europe, even with 100 more they don't accept.

[Danny Duck]

The beginning of the end began when Cops raided Rainbow 4 and kicked out the illegal prostitoots.

On a steady decline since. Covid might have Killed Nana Plaza.

I hear maybe a Park. No appetite for Condos now.

[GinAndTonic555]

Yup went out with some buddies Tuesday hit a bunch Nana gogos and seen nothing. I mean it was terrible out there. I noticed a few hot girls I banged months back moved to offdek. I bought a few LDs and when the girl got closer I wasn't interested. Mind you I had many drinks this night and still couldn't find anything.

Their was a time when the gogos were better in BKK and Pattaya as prices were down and their was still hotties. Now it seems like many of the hottest gogo girls have realized their not making as much and the gogos are devoid of talent. Of course theirs some hotties esp on the weekend but if you're a regular you've likely already banged the few hotties left.

[EihTooms]

We need to tak about QUALITY.

There's an issue, lads.

And it's not only me who did notice it.

Our regular farang spots are packed with unfuckable ugly girls.

Yesterday evening I was horny and in the mood for walking.

I didn't fuck.

Started in Soi 24 ally: ugly & empty.

Soi 24/1: ugly & empty.

Soi 33: empty.

I was then planning to go to Thonglor for Momo or Pretty: I was too late.

Back to Nana: none even worth a 6.

Today daytime.

Still horny: so I thought. Blowjob bar!

Lolitas: 3 girls, 1 okay.

Kasalong: hell no 1 of those girls would even touch my penis.

Soi 7/1: You start and there are promos for 500 Baht. Ugly & old. Wood: ugly. At the end of ally ladyboys. All bars: girls offering Blowjobs 500-800 Baht. Sex lower than 1 K. I did found 1 cutie, so I got a BJ for 700 baht.

Are there no sexy girls anymore? Sure!

I did bang some hot chicks from Tinder for 1-2 K THB.

There are massage saloons all over the plac with hot & young chicks.

And the Japanese saloons do have a lot of the young ones.

It's just totally different.

lol. No, it's not only you who has noticed. And it isn't just a deficit of lookers. It is also a deficit of sexual skills and/or a willingness to give better service. It is just the opposite of what most Western sensibilities suggest is the proper response to dire economic circumstances. The best of them on both fronts left for their province months ago and might never return.

I have mentioned that most of the guys who are stuck in their home country and unable to get to Thailand should not lose any sleep worrying about how things here are just as they were during normal times in terms of number of girls and percentage of more than doable girls but, ah paradise, the lookers are now really fucking, sucking and swallowing with a passion for rock bottom prices because there are so few customers and they call all the shots. Nope.

To be sure, I feel damn lucky to be living in Bangkok now instead of anywhere in the USA. But, as you said, it's just totally different (from normal times). And, I will add, not exactly better in ways one might assume or fantasize it would be.

I treasure my humble stable of favorite repeats and regulars more than ever these days. I have told friends outside of the country and mentioned here that I have met exactly ONE (1) new girl since the closures that I have even remotely wanted to repeat. And I am more or less on the hunt every day or night I walk outside of my apartment (not massage shops and soapies though, which are not my thing).

The rest of my favorite girls I repeat are the best of the girls I was already seeing during normal times who also happened to need to stay in Bangkok for one reason or another. Mostly because they were semi-freelancers or regular girls with regular jobs here who were staying LT with me once or twice a week for all the usual reasons. A few are go-go girls who soon enough resorted to calling me in advance to see if I am going to their bar any night this week and which night so they can decide if it would be worth traveling to lower Sukhumvit to clock in. Now they just go directly to asking to see me on their night off. 2,000 baht plus taxi for LT that starts before 10PM.

And no way am I going to hard ball negotiate them down to 1,000! As I said, I treasure the good ones I know more than ever who are winners on both fronts; a certain minimum level of attractiveness AND sexual skills and willingness. It's not like that combination is popping up all over the place in abundance these days.

I stopped in Crazy House Soi Cowboy/Soi 23 last Friday night about 8:30PM. That the quality of this bar's line up has declined over the past couple of years is nothing new. But, I swear, I sat through two dance sets, almost 30 naked girls on a stage with only me and one other dude, a Japanese guy, sitting in the place for almost an hour. And there was not one girl on that stage I would fuck for free even if I was not required to cum inside her.

[Mens2]

We need to tak about QUALITY.

There's an issue, lads.

And it's not only me who did notice it.

Our regular farang spots are packed with unfuckable ugly girls.

Yesterday evening I was horny and in the mood for walking.

I didn't fuck.

Started in Soi 24 ally: ugly & empty.

Soi 24/1: ugly & empty.

Soi 33: empty.

I was then planning to go to Thonglor for Momo or Pretty: I was too late.

Back to Nana: none even worth a 6.

Today daytime.

Still horny: so I thought. Blowjob bar!

Lolitas: 3 girls, 1 okay.

Kasalong: hell no 1 of those girls would even touch my penis.

Soi 7/1: You start and there are promos for 500 Baht. Ugly & old. Wood: ugly. At the end of ally ladyboys. All bars: girls offering Blowjobs 500-800 Baht. Sex lower than 1 K. I did found 1 cutie, so I got a BJ for 700 baht.

Are there no sexy girls anymore? Sure!

I did bang some hot chicks from Tinder for 1-2 K THB.

There are massage saloons all over the plac with hot & young chicks.

And the Japanese saloons do have a lot of the young ones.

It's just totally different.

[GrapeMan]

Yes, I often see pop up ads for FKKs touting their "Girlfriend Experience," which decades ago was code for "no condom fucking available" for some sex-tourism destinations. Presumably, some FKKs are hanging onto the old school definition of it.

Somewhere along the way "GFE" mutated into meaning something quite a bit less objectively sex-specific and into something that means whatever the escort service or shop menu author wants it to mean vs whatever the prospective customer hopes it means. Essentially objectively nothing and subjectively anything and everything.

But in most cases today (outside of those particular FKKs?) the P4P girl who claims to provide a "GFE" is only playing on the prospective customer's hopes with no intention whatsoever of providing BBFS+CIP as either standard or upcharged service.

There's still FKKs and partytreffs and special events things and girls in Netherlands and Germany that do BBFS everything. Less than there used to be but its still plenty available. Its just that any "regular" girl would downright refuse, its got to be the right spot with the girl (s) that specifically advertise they offer it. You can find it without issue, but its not just going to be show up to some random place and it'll happen.

But yes GFE absolutely does not mean BBFS, its a style of experience

[EihTooms]

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.

Yes, I often see pop up ads for FKKs touting their "Girlfriend Experience," which decades ago was code for "no condom fucking available" for some sex-tourism destinations. Presumably, some FKKs are hanging onto the old school definition of it.

Somewhere along the way "GFE" mutated into meaning something quite a bit less objectively sex-specific and into something that means whatever the escort service or shop menu author wants it to mean vs whatever the prospective customer hopes it means. Essentially objectively nothing and subjectively anything and everything.

But in most cases today (outside of those particular FKKs?) the P4P girl who claims to provide a "GFE" is only playing on the prospective customer's hopes with no intention whatsoever of providing BBFS+CIP as either standard or upcharged service.

[Banana Boi]

In other countries like Europe, I's very difficult to fuck bareback! Even with more money in Europe, they don't accept! In Europe 90% will refuse.

In Thailand or Cambodia 90% accept!

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.

[Franciscass]

But what I can say is that if you're nice with the girl, the girl will let you fuck her bareback!

So all I had to do was follow your playbook on what it means to be nice to a girl and bingo BBFS? Then I woke up.

[GrapeMan]

What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.

I've found looks to performance tends to just be more variable. I expect a better performance from a worse looking girl, she's got to do that to get noticed and customers (and often she's working at places that may offer "better" service). But sometimes you get a stunner that goes full out too, or you get a stunner that's a complete dud, because she knows she can get plenty of work as soon as you leave and doesn't need you or anyone, she just goes through a few motions and do. But of course, a worse looking girl could be crap too.

Hell, one of the worst experiences I've had was with a just ok to meh looking girl, who was a complete mega-pornstar in the room, but it was so much that it went from good all the way back around to being awful because she was wild but like it was just awful because she was bad at it all. Then I get a stunner, unexciting shower, so much so that I'm like, damn, I fucked up, she's hot but this is gonna be a lame session. I dry off, so does she, and immediately right out of the shower, unprompted she gets on the bed, on all fours and tells me to just A+ her right away (which was not supposed to be offered by her) and fucks like champion for 2 hours.

Again, I think the hotter a girl is your less likely to get a great experience, but hey, things are all over.

[Gilolo]

I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.

Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.

Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.

By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about..

IMO, I agree with you. But I can say that I go all the time in Thailand and Cambodia only because it's very very easy to get BBFS + CIP!

In other countries like Europe, I's very difficult to fuck bareback! Even with more money in Europe, they don't accept! In Europe 90% will refuse.

In Thailand or Cambodia 90% accept!

That's why I love Asia! I think I've the same box of condoms for 5 years and I didn't use any condoms! LOL.

I can't say it's a standard, I can't say that all the girls fuck without condom! But what I can say is that if you're nice with the girl, the girl will let you fuck her bareback!

[EihTooms]

Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.

I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.

Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.

Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.

By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about.

I am talking about getting an upfront agreement for it before she walks away with you to go to the room just as matter-of-fact as getting an agreement for LT vs ST or 2,000 baht vs 2,500 baht, not "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" where you might still need to have a conversation about it, get her drunker or renegotiate a new price for it. But, again, none of that stuff supports the idea of it being standard. If anything, it is proof that it is not standard. Yet.

[Franciscass]

Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.

Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.

[HorseTrader]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.

Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.

Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.

[HorseTrader]

...Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!

And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!

And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!

After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!

Some don't agree with EihTooms who insists on BBFS CIP, BBBJ CIM, or nothing, but he gets advanced approval and he has had a vasectomy. I sometimes do the same thing. What you did is classless.

Of course, after your claims of fucking 60% (or was it 90%?) of the Soi 6 and LK Metro girls BBFS, many forum members have already raised the BS flag regarding your posts. I'd like to think that 100% of your posts are BS.