Bangkok Reports

[Lefeu]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.

Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.

[Gilolo]

Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.

Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.

I totally agree with you. I did a mistaken I sent the message before I finished to write the end of what happened with that girl who didn't want to make lot of efforts for the price I paid. When she told me to not kiss her too much, to not lick her tits too much or not finger her pussy. Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!

And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!

And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!

After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!

[NicFrenchy]

Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

I don't do the bars, MPs are more my scene and I was referring to the "Magazine" type girls that hang in the top floors of MPs (10 K+ short time). They are the "Pretties" Thai guys like.

I have tried these types on a couple of occasions and it was overall below par. I much prefer the more regular looking girls, they're just more fun to be around.

[Banana Boi]

+ 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

What did you expect? If a gogo girl told me she had a drink minimum before she left the bar I'd be looking around for another girl before the waitress arrived. OTOH, if she didn't demand drinks I have no problem hanging around buying her several drinks first.

[EihTooms]

Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.

Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.

Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.

I believe you can hit a certain amount of money that is so tempting to a girl she can't pass it up. But then we're talking about an arrangement that is a little too close to holding a gun to the head of someone to convince them to go along with the idea. Which, in this situation, is not likely to buy you great sex in the room.

In those days at least, I began to suspect 3,500 baht was the point where the girls were beginning to visualize that gun, figuratively speaking, of course.

So now I never go higher than 3,000 baht (ST) to a go-go girl for what I want. And I am reluctant to even go to or agree to that much. More than that and she will probably say Yes, but only because the money is too good to refuse and nothing to do with being at least a little bit into the idea of fucking me or anyone else.

And the best go-go girl sex is with the ones who don't need you to go higher than 2,000 - 2,500 baht before they are jumping on the opportunity to say Yes to BBFS+CIP and walk out of the bar with you knowing that is what will happen in the room, hassle-free, no unpleasant surprises and without another word being spoken about it

[Gilolo]

What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.

Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.

[NicFrenchy]

BTW, I have never been able to find a correlation between looks and performance.

What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.

[MoistCyst]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.

Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".

Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.

Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Netherlands.
Sweden.
Norway.
Finland.
Iceland.
Denmark.
Czech Republic.
Poland.
Estonia.
Hungary.
Romania..

[Member #4698]

That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.

She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.

I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.

I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).

Yeah, I have had many such experiences and posted about them where a little tender cunning Lingus changed the entire dynamics of what was going on between a girl and myself. Yeah, I love these kinds of turnarounds when a reluctant girl becomes passionate and real. This is one of the reasons I never discuss barebacking or any sexual performance issues with a girl beforehand except maybe to throw out a silly question like if she likes to kiss or not. I really like the passionate encounters. It can happen at the get go without cunning Lingus if the girl is put together that way. It can also happen with pre-arranged negotiated sessions too sometimes, but it just does not seem as natural and real to me that way.

BTW, I have never been able to find a correlation between looks and performance. Some smoking' hot girls are great in bed and some are not. Some plain girls are great in bed and some are not. But taking a little time to talk, have a drink or 2, and get friendly greatly increases the odds of choosing a good girl and having a great time although you still never know until you know. So, I will always choose the girl that looks best to me if she passes the audition or gives me a positive vibe in the massage parlor situation. Keeping in mind that "life is a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get" until you open up the box.

[NicFrenchy]

But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?

If so, nice.

That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.

She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.

I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.

I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).

[EihTooms]

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.

I have not traveled outside of Thailand in about 10 years except for two weeks in Italy. For me, talking about no condom upfront with the girl IS the norm. The only awkward part is when the much better than average looking girks say No. LOL.

Sure, it has always been the case in most places around the world that if you wine and dine non pros and then get them to toss back a few more drinks in your room, bareback sex is going to happen fairly regularly.

But I much prefer to get all the converstaion about condoms, if any, way out of the way before we get to my room. And I hate sex with drunk women. So there you are.

But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?

If so, nice.

[Banana Boi]

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere

Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".

Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.

Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Netherlands.
Sweden.
Norway.
Finland.
Iceland.
Denmark.
Czech Republic.
Poland.
Estonia.
Hungary.
Romania.
Serbia.
Croatia.
Ukraine.
USA.
Canada.
Cape Town, South Africa.
Vietnam.
South Korea.
Japan.
Taiwan.
Hong Kong.
Malaysia.
Singapore.
Australia.

Just some of the countries I have been to and I did not find "BBFS is becoming standard" or I plan to travel to soon as we can begin travel again.

[AddisDude]

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.

[NicFrenchy]

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.

Sadly, this is true.

And your chances of "no condom" increase exponentially with repeat visits.

YMMV of course. I've been in the non P4 P scene for a long time now and I can tell you, 99.9% of the time you wine and dine the girl, she comes back with you to the room for a few drinks and will have sex any way you want it. 100% of them will not have a condom with them (why would they) and unless you pull out one, it will never be discussed. Unless there is a "smell" in your groin area, you're clean.

We've all caught something at one time or the other, it's our responsibility to protect ourselves, or not. You can go to a P4 P place with the best of intentions, but sometimes you can also get carried in the moment and forget the rubber.

Most important is Have fun, pay what you can afford, rinse repeat.

[Gilolo]

Yes, a mention of wanting "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" in so many words is only going to trigger a likely understanding that you mean something more intimate than hooker-customer sex with a condom with English fluent girls. But I don't think they need to be hardcore 10 year veterans of P4P with farangs to get the meaning of it.

Of course, I can and will sometimes just say "I want to fuck without a condom" or "boom boom no condom" directly. Simple.

The "real sex" bit isn't at all about using a term that is commonly used by Thai people or most anyone else as a conventional alternative for "BBFS+CIP", "boom boom no condom", "mai yaak sai tung" and so on. That has nothing to do with it. That was something another poster mistakenly assumed about it.

But sometimes I have other reasons to use the "real sex" or "boyfriend-girlfriend sex" or "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" euphemism when I know I am talking to or Line messaging with a Thai girl fluent enough in English to grasp the meaning of those words. The point is to communicate something more about what kind of session and experience I am into than the basic, literal definition of "I want to fuck bareback."

I have found that telling a girl I want "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" with her (assuming she understands the meaning of those words in English) can often cover a lot of ground in one go about really intending to have DFK, no rush, no stopping everything to talk about or put on a condom, a more romantic mood, no mechanical routine and so on.

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.