Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.

Yes, I often see pop up ads for FKKs touting their "Girlfriend Experience," which decades ago was code for "no condom fucking available" for some sex-tourism destinations. Presumably, some FKKs are hanging onto the old school definition of it.

Somewhere along the way "GFE" mutated into meaning something quite a bit less objectively sex-specific and into something that means whatever the escort service or shop menu author wants it to mean vs whatever the prospective customer hopes it means. Essentially objectively nothing and subjectively anything and everything.

But in most cases today (outside of those particular FKKs?) the P4P girl who claims to provide a "GFE" is only playing on the prospective customer's hopes with no intention whatsoever of providing BBFS+CIP as either standard or upcharged service.

[Banana Boi]

In other countries like Europe, I's very difficult to fuck bareback! Even with more money in Europe, they don't accept! In Europe 90% will refuse.

In Thailand or Cambodia 90% accept!

OK the number is back to 90% now. Thanks for clarifying for all of us who get confused on how many girls in Thailand do BBFS + CIP. I bet ET and others who pre-negotiate BBFS + CIP service isn't even batting 90%.

Oddly the number is 90% in Europe don't do BBFS. Do you really believe your statement when it comes to Germany? There are tons of BBFS / AO clubs, lots of partytreff clubs, many smaller FKK and brothels where BBFS is a given. Even in a big popular FKK club BBFS is attainable with regular girls. Pretty sure that number accounts for more than 10% of the Germany working girls.

[Franciscass]

But what I can say is that if you're nice with the girl, the girl will let you fuck her bareback!

So all I had to do was follow your playbook on what it means to be nice to a girl and bingo BBFS? Then I woke up.

[GrapeMan]

What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.

Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.

It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.

I've found looks to performance tends to just be more variable. I expect a better performance from a worse looking girl, she's got to do that to get noticed and customers (and often she's working at places that may offer "better" service). But sometimes you get a stunner that goes full out too, or you get a stunner that's a complete dud, because she knows she can get plenty of work as soon as you leave and doesn't need you or anyone, she just goes through a few motions and do. But of course, a worse looking girl could be crap too.

Hell, one of the worst experiences I've had was with a just ok to meh looking girl, who was a complete mega-pornstar in the room, but it was so much that it went from good all the way back around to being awful because she was wild but like it was just awful because she was bad at it all. Then I get a stunner, unexciting shower, so much so that I'm like, damn, I fucked up, she's hot but this is gonna be a lame session. I dry off, so does she, and immediately right out of the shower, unprompted she gets on the bed, on all fours and tells me to just A+ her right away (which was not supposed to be offered by her) and fucks like champion for 2 hours.

Again, I think the hotter a girl is your less likely to get a great experience, but hey, things are all over.

[Gilolo]

I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.

Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.

Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.

By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about..

IMO, I agree with you. But I can say that I go all the time in Thailand and Cambodia only because it's very very easy to get BBFS + CIP!

In other countries like Europe, I's very difficult to fuck bareback! Even with more money in Europe, they don't accept! In Europe 90% will refuse.

In Thailand or Cambodia 90% accept!

That's why I love Asia! I think I've the same box of condoms for 5 years and I didn't use any condoms! LOL.

I can't say it's a standard, I can't say that all the girls fuck without condom! But what I can say is that if you're nice with the girl, the girl will let you fuck her bareback!

[EihTooms]

Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.

I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.

Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.

Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.

By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about.

I am talking about getting an upfront agreement for it before she walks away with you to go to the room just as matter-of-fact as getting an agreement for LT vs ST or 2,000 baht vs 2,500 baht, not "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" where you might still need to have a conversation about it, get her drunker or renegotiate a new price for it. But, again, none of that stuff supports the idea of it being standard. If anything, it is proof that it is not standard. Yet.

[Franciscass]

Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.

Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.

[HorseTrader]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.

Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.

Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.

[HorseTrader]

...Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!

And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!

And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!

After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!

Some don't agree with EihTooms who insists on BBFS CIP, BBBJ CIM, or nothing, but he gets advanced approval and he has had a vasectomy. I sometimes do the same thing. What you did is classless.

Of course, after your claims of fucking 60% (or was it 90%?) of the Soi 6 and LK Metro girls BBFS, many forum members have already raised the BS flag regarding your posts. I'd like to think that 100% of your posts are BS.

[Banana Boi]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.

Moist, I've moved your post to the Seoul thread to see if we can start a discussion there about BBFS in Korea. Please share with me by PM where in Korea/Seoul/Busan, etc. you are finding these girls.

Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.

Lefeu, care to share with me by PM where you were getting BBFS in Korea. I was in Korea for months and didn't get a single girl doing BBFS. If not in Seoul let me know which city and area as I'm pretty easy about where I travel in Korea. Hot girls and good food make Korea and Japan top destinations for me.

[Lefeu]

Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.

Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.

[Gilolo]

Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.

Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.

I totally agree with you. I did a mistaken I sent the message before I finished to write the end of what happened with that girl who didn't want to make lot of efforts for the price I paid. When she told me to not kiss her too much, to not lick her tits too much or not finger her pussy. Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!

And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!

And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!

After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!

[NicFrenchy]

Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

I don't do the bars, MPs are more my scene and I was referring to the "Magazine" type girls that hang in the top floors of MPs (10 K+ short time). They are the "Pretties" Thai guys like.

I have tried these types on a couple of occasions and it was overall below par. I much prefer the more regular looking girls, they're just more fun to be around.

[Banana Boi]

+ 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

What did you expect? If a gogo girl told me she had a drink minimum before she left the bar I'd be looking around for another girl before the waitress arrived. OTOH, if she didn't demand drinks I have no problem hanging around buying her several drinks first.

[EihTooms]

Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.

Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.

At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.

Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.

Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.

I believe you can hit a certain amount of money that is so tempting to a girl she can't pass it up. But then we're talking about an arrangement that is a little too close to holding a gun to the head of someone to convince them to go along with the idea. Which, in this situation, is not likely to buy you great sex in the room.

In those days at least, I began to suspect 3,500 baht was the point where the girls were beginning to visualize that gun, figuratively speaking, of course.

So now I never go higher than 3,000 baht (ST) to a go-go girl for what I want. And I am reluctant to even go to or agree to that much. More than that and she will probably say Yes, but only because the money is too good to refuse and nothing to do with being at least a little bit into the idea of fucking me or anyone else.

And the best go-go girl sex is with the ones who don't need you to go higher than 2,000 - 2,500 baht before they are jumping on the opportunity to say Yes to BBFS+CIP and walk out of the bar with you knowing that is what will happen in the room, hassle-free, no unpleasant surprises and without another word being spoken about it