Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

I'll give you an analogy. Say someone was visiting your hometown. You suggest a restaurant to them and they go there and then proceeded to pay more than you told them to because "this food is more expensive where I live. " And then say the people at that restaurant decide that that should be the new price standard. Where does it end really? Overall service and attitudes have gotten worse as prices have increased because the gals don't have to hustle as much. They make in one ST what used to take them three. And there is always a guy that will "settle. ".

Personally I think 100 USD for a 4 hour session that knocks your socks off is not completely out of line. But there are many people paying way more than that. And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.

I fully agree that it is silly and counterprouctive to pay more by way of tipping for the exact same service or product that everyone gets even when they don't add a tip.

But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more.

I suppose the closest way of applying it to your analogy is the fellow sees what is on his plate at your recommended restaurant and says, "Oh, that will never do. But if you could add another slab of beef with a little gravy and toast that slice of bread a bit I'll gladly pay an additional $5."

Then if the restaurant increases the price of that meal by $5 for everyone without adding the extra portion of beef, gravy and toasting the bread, the fault lies with the restaurant, not the customer who paid more to get more.

However, again, paying the extra $5 for no reason at all and without demanding and getting more puts the customer at fault.

My problem with the "restaurants" in this neighborhood is the meals being routinely served are from the get-go sorely lacking in value for the money despite thousands of other diners apparently having their socks get knocked off by what they are being served. But with a little tweak here and there using ingredients I know for a fact are sitting mostly unused in the kitchem cupboard I can get that meal up to snuff with an additional amount added to the bill.

I only wish these "restaurants" would routinely serve a finished meal that by my judgement is well worth the money without my having to ask neither the server, manager, chef or owner of the damn place to prepare and present it that way. Would I pay more for that? Hell yes.

I suppose this is my way of chiming in that the real problem here is too few customers demanding more and better than what they are routinely being served in these "restaurants" at the price they are today, were yesterday and will be tomorrow. The extra $5 or even $20 is largely immaterial.

[Goatscrot]

That's a good and valid point.

On a related note, as a foreign visitor, I'm willing to pay extra for premium service from a good looking girl. The 3500 baht I paid for an excellent 4-hour session seems cheap to me. "Near" home the best I can do is a 50 minute session at a top rated massage place 1400 km away from home and that costs over 8000 baht. Many visitors aren't going to pass on their Thai dream girl to save 1000 baht, our opportunities are too few. If we knew which girls were going to be stars and which were duds, the stars would never want for money and the duds would starve. There are still enough customers for that.

I'll give you an analogy. Say someone was visiting your hometown. You suggest a restaurant to them and they go there and then proceeded to pay more than you told them to because "this food is more expensive where I live. " And then say the people at that restaurant decide that that should be the new price standard. Where does it end really? Overall service and attitudes have gotten worse as prices have increased because the gals don't have to hustle as much. They make in one ST what used to take them three. And there is always a guy that will "settle. ".

Personally I think 100 USD for a 4 hour session that knocks your socks off is not completely out of line. But there are many people paying way more than that. And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.

[JohnSonong]

Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?

Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.

No shortcut bro, or you can just download dating apps for meet and greet.

[HorseTrader]

However, in this context what I meant to say we don't know what kind of austerity program some of these girls will shift into when they don't have another customer willing to hand them 2,500 baht for low level service coming down the street for several days at a time. I don't think customer traffic has ever been this low for this long and potentially much longer in their lifetimes. If they stay in the scene at all, that is.

That's a good and valid point.

On a related note, as a foreign visitor, I'm willing to pay extra for premium service from a good looking girl. The 3500 baht I paid for an excellent 4-hour session seems cheap to me. "Near" home the best I can do is a 50 minute session at a top rated massage place 1400 km away from home and that costs over 8000 baht. Many visitors aren't going to pass on their Thai dream girl to save 1000 baht, our opportunities are too few. If we knew which girls were going to be stars and which were duds, the stars would never want for money and the duds would starve. There are still enough customers for that.

[EihTooms]

I don't know about that, I think at least some of the girls spend everything as soon as they have it.
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Absolutely true, except for the rare few who sock some of it away to buy a rice farm or build a house in Issan.

But that is why I think worry about customers who overpay far above the going rate is largely irrelevant to ruining Thailand's P4P scene. These girls are just as broke and in need of my 2,500 baht two days after some dude gave them 5,000 baht as if they'd never seen five 1,000 baht notes in one place their whole lives.

It is the low demand customer that has done serious damage to the scene, imo, not the overpaying customer.

However, in this context what I meant to say we don't know what kind of austerity program some of these girls will shift into when they don't have another customer willing to hand them 2,500 baht for low level service coming down the street for several days at a time. I don't think customer traffic has ever been this low for this long and potentially much longer in their lifetimes. If they stay in the scene at all, that is.

[Axiata]

After a not too bad day 1, I decided to head to Nana around midday to play pool and see what lunch time offerings there were. Well, not much. Spent a few hours playing pool and decided to head over to the beer garden on soi 7. A few girls there but not that many that were to my taste. As I was leaving one did come in and so I grabbed her and spent a few minutes discussing terms. Agreed to everything I wanted for a short time. Back in the hotel she did not disappoint and provided a good service, Not GFE but still did a fine job. Later that night decided to head to the Nana Plaza Gogos. Went into Billboard and was amazed at the number of punters in there. A lot more than I was expecting, The girls were Ok and a few looked doable but I just did not get a good feel in the place. Headed out to check out Afterskool. What a difference. Very few punters and most of the girls were average. Did manage to find one that was of interest. Pretty face, nice body although she was a little young for me. After a good conversation and drinking we settled on terms and off we went. In the room she did not disappoint and the DFK and sex was excellent. Body was very tight and had a really nice set of real breasts. Would definitely try again. Nana Plaza was not that busy but then again it was a Sunday night. One more night and then off to Pattaya.

More reports to follow.

Happy Hunting.

[HorseTrader]

But a bare minimum of 1-2 non Thai customers per week is still enough to get by in terms of food, rent, electric, phone and transportation for just about any P4P girl in Thailand.

I don't know about that, I think at least some of the girls spend everything as soon as they have it.

Once Wednesday I gave a Nana gogo girl 3500 for an exceptional 4-hours and by Thursday afternoon she seemed truly desperate for money to pay for transportation, food, and 500 baht to replace her lost ID so she could work again in a Nana plaza bar. She offered a repeat of our prior date for 2000, then 1500, and finally 1000. I pleaded poverty, but ultimately gave her a 100 baht to stop pestering me. Then I blocked her on Line and found found a different girl from a different bar.

[JalenJames]

Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?

Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.

[EihTooms]

Nah.

I don't believe it.

Hos earning ho money enter a ho lifestyle. And become used to it.

There are exceptions but very few.

(and most of the girls in Thermae "professionally"" work there. On a regular basis).

Well, we don't know how they will deal with a customer traffic decline and economic downturn like this one might (and only might) become since none of them are old enough to have ever gone through one. But a bare minimum of 1-2 non Thai customers per week is still enough to get by in terms of food, rent, electric, phone and transportation for just about any P4P girl in Thailand.

However, there is no point in thinking they will turn into super quality sex providers when things finally get so bad they have to eat rotten fruit, bugs and scorpions. They ALREADY eat rotten (smelling) fruit, bugs and scorpions for the sheer pleasure of it even when their purses are loaded with cash!

[EihTooms]

Would you not have more success with better looking girls getting BBFS if you agreed not to cip but rather pull out when you are coming and deposit your load on her body? Similarly, since almost all girls will do BBBJ if you don't CIM, your success rate would be much higher if you agreed to pull out and come on her face or tits. Or is depositing your semen in a girl's orifice the point of your having sex rather than the barebacking itself?

Yes, that last part is pretty much the point, but more precisely the actual tactile sensation of remaining in and continuing the action in the orifice that got me to the point of orgasm because it felt so good in the first place instead of interrupting it to pull out, jerk myself off, rub on her stomach or whatever. I did not divest myself of all my worldly possessions in the USA (except some rental property), leave my last remaining family members, all my old friends, move to the other side of the planet and the rest of it in order to pull out of young ladies' vaginas and mouths at the point of orgasm. I never had sex that unfulfilling even as an already somewhat elderly man in the USA with all my toys, family and friends within an hour's drive.

Bear in mind, and I suppose I should clarify it anyway, I never talk about "CIP" with the girl upfront unless they mention that part of it. Otherwise, I only talk about "boom boom no condom" regarding that topic and assume they know how it will end. I only write it that way here for clarification that pulling out was not mentioned by me or the girl. But I will mention "finish inside" pointing to her mouth and my mouth when I talk about how she would finish a BBBJ for me. Now, if she says something about "when you finish, you cum outside, ok?" when we are already in the bed ready to have sex, I have adopted the habit of answering the same way Thai girls do when you request something they might not want to do; "I'll try." Which in the Thai girl Thai-English language means "No." But they seem to be fine with me finishing inside anyway.

A couple of guys I know who are also BBFS+CIP only guys take elements of your suggestion even further. They agree to everything the girls say and then simply ignore it:

"Must use condom, ok?"

Of COURSE, I will use a condom. I ALWAYS use a condom. Do you think I'm crazy?

"You have condom?"

Of COURSE, I have a condom.

Then they proceed through all the steps and motions, no condom, CIP and when the girl says, "Did you finish inside?" They just say Oh, Yeah, I Forgot. Again, their girls still seem to be fine with it, usually chuckle at the answer and always want to see the guys again and again later.

Works for them most of the time. But that isn't my style. I much prefer having it understood and agreed to before she takes my hand and we leave the bar or start walking to my room. I consider the pleasure of the entire experience starting right then and there, knowing I will be having True GFE/Real Sex with this young lady holding my hand and walking with me to my apartment for the first time, no cloud of doubt hanging overhead and no issue with the girl balking about participating in my CIP requirements at crunch time.

I should also add that my biggest problem in these matters is not getting quite good looking young Thai girls to have BBFS+CIP with me. The reality is I am getting more of that than I have bullets to shoot for it. I long for those rare times when I have managed to dodge and decline invitations to have it with such young ladies for as long as TWO days in a row so I can finally have that feeling of relative urgency about it again and the added pleasure that goes along with it on the third day. LOL.

Virtually every time I mention in a report that I was in this or that venue, approached by a girl and I declined and moved on, that is because I am either coming from or going to a place where I had or will be having glorious BBFS+CIP (mostly) or the much appreciated BBBJ+CIM and more often than not these days Swallow finish. And that's why it is so easy for me to decline anything that doesn't truly inspire me and move on with zero regrets. This is really only about improving the conditions and ease of use for my hobby, not about scrounging around trying to eke out some modicum of value in it.

[Catire]

I'm not sure many girls think it is a buyer's market yet. Take a Thermae girl; if she gets one customer a week who agrees to pay 2,500 baht and on top of that he gives her a 500 baht tip because he was impressed by the way she rolled on the condom or because she smiled sweetly when she said, "No kissing, I don't like" she'll still be able to pay all her bills that month and have some left over to ride a taxi back home every night

Nah.

I don't believe it.

Hos earning ho money enter a ho lifestyle. And become used to it.

There are exceptions but very few.

(and most of the girls in Thermae "professionally"" work there. On a regular basis).

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Would you not have more success with better looking girls getting BBFS if you agreed not to cip but rather pull out when you are coming and deposit your load on her body? Similarly, since almost all girls will do BBBJ if you don't CIM, your success rate would be much higher if you agreed to pull out and come on her face or tits. Or is depositing your semen in a girl's orifice the point of your having sex rather than the barebacking itself?

[EihTooms]

It always amazes me when they think you will accept something that you would not accept previously, even when it is clearly a buyer's market. Most never seem to be willing to up their game, no matter what.

I'm not sure many girls think it is a buyer's market yet. Take a Thermae girl; if she gets one customer a week who agrees to pay 2,500 baht and on top of that he gives her a 500 baht tip because he was impressed by the way she rolled on the condom or because she smiled sweetly when she said, "No kissing, I don't like" she'll still be able to pay all her bills that month and have some left over to ride a taxi back home every night. I see the few punters in town walking out of go-go bars, beer bars, Thermae, etc. with girls who aren't any more attractive than I usually see walking out of the bars with customers.

All those non barfineable Coyote scammers who stand in front of the bars on Soi Cowboy doing nothing were still standing in front of the bars doing nothing last night. They just looked more bored than usual with fewer customers to scam. They certainly aren't now reaching out to passersby eager to share their Line info and make side deals to meet after hours.

Couple of hot ones arm hooked me as I walked by last night and, seeing they were wearing the pantyhose that Coyote scammers usually wear, I said, "But you are Coyotes and that means you will not go to my room with me, right?" Which was met with the same sheepish smile, their having been busted on their scam. And the silence that followed still meant, "Yep. That's right, bub," just like always.

[Goatscrot]

I popped into Thermae again last night. Ordinarily, I don't go into Thermae so often. But it is really an interesting case study location for monitoring the Asian tourist/punter levels these days. And I suppose I am checking to see if or when the typical Thermae hooker will suddenly realize she needs to start delivering some Real Sex for the money or find another line of work. They might be fine with or used to Styrofoam tentacles being shoved up their whatever, but very, very few are not shocked beyond recognition when I ask if they'll accept a human penis as god created it in their vagina.

Last night about 11PM there was no shortage of girls, it was quite packed with girls in fact. And I was able to stand near the front entrance with my back to the little bar where we buy drinks on entering and look down the left side pathway completely empty of customers. You know where the river of men usually flows shoulder to shoulder 5 deep around the central S shaped bar? There was not one customer in that space between the line up of girls on the booth side and the line up of girls on the bar side. For several minutes. Oh, every few minutes a group of men would appear from outside and walk down that aisle and around the room. But as soon as they passed, it was devoid of customers again. Maybe 40 customers in the whole place, almost half being farang.

One girl who I'd been with before many months ago (no BBFS allowed, only a lame BBBJ that I aborted before finishing because it was done so badly) was lobbying hard with body language (a damn good body, too. and sexy face) for me to please come over to her spot in the left side line up so she could tell me what a wonderful time she'll give me this night. I finally did go over to her. Nope, no way, no how would BBFS happen tonight or any night. Ok, hon, I was just wondering why you were so adamant about talking to me.

On the way out I was grabbed by a girl I would generously rate as a cute 7.0 I'd never seen before telling me she really liked me, wanted me to take her, she would do anything I want except "butt", 3,000 for ST or 4,000 for LT, blah, blah, blah, what do I want? I leaned in to whisper, "boom boom no condom." Oh, NO, impossible! "Ok, hon, nice meeting you, bye."

I was only in the place for about 15 minutes. Sodas are 70 baht, btw.

Then I walked over to Nana Plaza and barfined a lovely 22 year old honey for the third time whose face and body would rate an 8 against at least 90% of the girls in Thermae and who happily agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP with me on our first outing about a month ago. It was fantastic good Real Sex in the room and she earned 2,500 baht. Glad I stopped in her bar again.

It always amazes me when they think you will accept something that you would not accept previously, even when it is clearly a buyer's market. Most never seem to be willing to up their game, no matter what.

[HorseTrader]

Interesting that despite the shortage of punters the short time price was still high. Seems that they prefer to get nothing rather than a little bargaining.

A month ago I found no reduction in bar fines at Nana Plaza bars and only 500 baht discount in the girls' fees. This is a sample size of just 2 girls in 2 different bars. Made short time deals and exchanged Line information and repeat 3 weeks later with same girls without going through bar and big discounts were available. Better performance and longer sessions in the room, too.

Based on what little I know about the relationship between Nana bars and bar girls, it seems some of them have commitments to work every night while others come in only on the nights they want.

On a side note, if I like a girl in the room, I will tip 500 or 1000 baht. That tip seems to guarantee availability and an even better performance next time.... and often no bar fine. If you do this, the girl may pester you for more sessions than you want. Thats when the Line block feature becomes valuable, dont hesitate to use it.