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  1. #47372

    Banned from Tinder

    I was in BKK in mid January and had fantastic success with Tinder. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Really beautiful girls ranging from no-pros to hard core pros. Lots of sweet freelancers, IMHO.

    However, I did not realize that Tinder had rules (it was my first time using the app and I got started on a whim). So the girls and I had very frank discussions about price, BBBJ, anal, etc. The day after I left BKK, I decided to check my Tinder to be certain I had remembered to turn it off (no sense in having my photo online when I am back in the USA) and discovered that they had closed my account. I feel like a fool, of course, as almost every girl I met was ultimately moved to Line where such rules do not exist.

    My question for you Tinder aficionados is this: do I need to buy a second phone to set up a Tinder account when I return to BKK next? Or is there some type of App that I can use so Tinder thinks I have a new phone number when I sign up again? If there is an App, can someone direct me to the website so I can purchase it?

    Khob Khun Krup.

    Forest.

  2. #47371
    Quote Originally Posted by Gargano19  [View Original Post]
    Yeah I agree if mamasan found me a great girl, I would be happy to give her tip or buy her drink next time. Usually I find a girl in gogo pretty quickly, usually in 3-4 minutes of me sitting there, so maybe no mamasan got the chance to recommend any girl to me.
    I don't remember a time when a mamasan ever recommended a girl to me. At least not one I thought was interesting or good looking enough to actually barfine and give a try. Just hard cases who probably need a customer, any customer, very badly. Oh, I have had mamasans walk over to me in a bar with a good looking girl, both smiling, and ask if the girl can sit with me. Maybe that was a recommendation and I did not see it that way. I only saw it as, "This girl has no customer. Why don't you buy her a drink?"

    In this case, the mamasan only said to the girl that I had already called down and was sitting next to me after ordering a Ladydrink, "Take care of him." But I suspect she says that to every girl in front of every customer all the time. Besides, I don't even think the girl spoke English well enough to fully understand what the mamasan said. The mamasan said it in English for me to hear and understand, not the girl.

    No mamasan has ever asked me what I want from a girl. I would honestly tell her if one ever asked me. LOL. But since none has ever been curious or interested enough to even ask me if there is anything special or different that I require that might convince me to part with upwards of 3000-4000 baht at this time on this night with any girl in their bar, my assumption is the mamasan thinks I am only interested in paying for basic, standard fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed." I have no sense that a mamasan knows what worked so well for me behind closed doors with a previous girl in her bar to now be selecting other girls for me on that basis. So there is zero advantage to me in taking an otherwise unseen girl a mamasan brings over to me at random.

  3. #47370
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    My objection to it in this case was I had not yet found out if the girl she was encouraging to "take care of him" either by routine, for laughs or as a sincere message to the girl was a scammer or not. Why would I reward a mamasan for letting me sit there with a known scammer or trouble girl? Oh, yeah, that has happened to me before. Therefore, I might very well hand that same mamasan a tip or buy her a drink the next time I go in that bar and take that same girl to confirm to her and to any other girls witnessing it that whatever it was my girl agreed to in the bar and did for me in the room was very good for me, for her and for the mamasan.
    Yeah I agree if mamasan found me a great girl, I would be happy to give her tip or buy her drink next time. Usually I find a girl in gogo pretty quickly, usually in 3-4 minutes of me sitting there, so maybe no mamasan got the chance to recommend any girl to me.

  4. #47369
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

    For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.

    I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.
    Good strategy. If she performs she gets her initial asking price and if she doesn't, she doesn't.

  5. #47368

    Trip Report

    Recently completed my trip, spent 5 days in BKK before flying out.

    Day 1:

    Arrived late, checked into Pullman Grande. Fired up Wechat Badoo and Tinder for some FLs and semi pros for tomorrow. Set up a LT with a girl I met on Wechat from past trips, nice smart girl with an amazing body, went out to dinner before a full night of fucking, total GFE, 10 k damage. Really worth it IMO to take the time and build some rapport with these girls, especially if you find someone you like.

    Day 2:

    Woke up for 2 more rounds before saying goodbye to the girl from last night. Got breakfast and checked out past field reports. Decided to check out Mitu (I had confused Doki Doki and Mitu earlier in the trip, I had been to Mitu on a previous trip before). Arrived a bit early in the afternoon and chose Haduki for 90 min. Really small girl with brown skin, A cups, but a nice and toned body and tight pussy. Standard nuru procedure with first round on the mattress and second on the bed. Got a nice massage in between. 5 k damage. More expensive than Doki Doki but a more worthwhile experience.

    Headed back to hotel, relaxed a bit and hit up Smooci. Booked Pearry for 2 hours. She arrived late but made up for it with an excellent session. Small spinner with great white skin, nice bolt ONS and a cute ass. Limited English and a bit shy but warmed up after things got started. BBBJ, LFK, very tight and took a pounding without complaint, cuddled for a bit before going for a second round. Gave her a tip for a total damage of 4 k.

    Got dinner and checked out Cowboy around 10 pm. Avoided the rip off joints as recommended by some of the seniors and sat in Bacarra for a bit, Great talent but I was much too tired as I had cum 6 times on the day, decided to note down a few numbers before heading back to the hotel early.

    Day 3:

    Woke up, got breakfast (which was mediocre at best), and contacted Bangkok Golden for a session with Bell later in the day. Walked over to Daisy Dream at around 2 pm and was presented with a line up of 10 girls. Chose a cute short haired girl in a red dress and be cups for 90 minutes, but did not remember her name as the session was pretty forgettable. She gave a great massage but had a bit of baby fat and was pretty loose. The room was nice with a fairly big jacuzzi, but that left limited room for the air mattress. CBJ, with first round on the mattress and second round on the bed. Cleaned up in the Jacuzzi and then the shower. 4.5 k damage. The talent was OK so it's likely you'll get a better service with a different girl.

    Went back to the hotel and cleaned up. Bell arrived on time. Great body, skin, see cups and a cute ass. Her English is pretty good and can hold a conversation well, but does not do kissing. She gave a great BBBJ before moving onto multiple positions, popped in missionary and cuddled for a bit before the second round. I struggled to pop but she didn't give up and finished me with her mouth. A very good session but a bit pricey at 6 k for 2 hours, although very convenient.

    Was going to hit up Bacarra again for some nighttime fun but found a hottie named Poppy on Tinder who was down to meet. She's from BKK but looked more Korean. Tall for an Asian with a great body, fake the cups and a bubble butt, looked like a kpop model. Told me she just started in this line of work and it shows, but took directions well and was very responsive. Went several rounds before both of us were spent after 4 hours. I sent her on her way with 6 k and she promised to see me again before I left. Cancelled by Bacarra plans as I was again exhausted.

    Day 4:

    Woke up very late, missed breakfast. Felt a bit sore from the night before so I went and got a legit massage from across the street at Health Land Asoke, which I would very much recommend. Partook in some normal tourist activities in the afternoon before returning to the hotel. Booked Nana from Smooci for another excellent 2 hour session. The site has her English as basic but her English is closer to conversational level. Very smart and outgoing. She doesn't have as great of a body as the other girls I've seen but is very enthusiastic. Excellent BBBJ with multiple positions before popping in doggy, cuddled and exchanged life stories before going for a second round and popping in mish. Total damage of 4 k again including tip. She'd be great to book for LT and I would highly recommend her for those of you looking for more than just a quick fuck.

    Had dinner and checked out Bacarra. Place was packed as it was the day before the Magha Puja, and I was told the place would close down at midnight. Saw a thicker girl named Moonam which I really liked. She had a body shape closer to a Latina with a lot of tattoos. Bought her a drink and we hit it off very well. Took her out for ST and had a very hot fuck back in the hotel, BBBJ, DFK, popped in mish but went for a second round after she saw I was still hard after cleaning up. Got her Line and will plan on seeing her again on my next trip if she's still around.

    Day 5:

    Since I was told most places were going to be closed today, I hit up Poppy and she took me to see a few of the temples through out the day, felt like a real date. Took her shopping in T21 before heading back to the hotel at around 5 pm. Had a flight to catch early next morning at 6 so we spent the rest of the night in the room fucking. Total damage including shopping and room service came out to around 18 k. Pricey but a very worthwhile experience imo, considering the usual prices I pay in the US, and the reports on how expensive BKK has gotten.

    Overall spent 7 days in BKK and 3 days in Pattaya on this trip. Tried a bit of everything but had the best time with FLs from different apps. I'd rank Smooci and escort agencies second, gogo girls third, and massage places 4th. I thought that my main go to this trip would be gogos but had more success building rapport with the girls I found in gogos and taking them out later. The massage places I went to were all fairly underwhelming with the exception of Mitu, which was also the most expensive option.

  6. #47367
    Quote Originally Posted by Gargano19  [View Original Post]
    This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.
    My objection to it in this case was I had not yet found out if the girl she was encouraging to "take care of him" either by routine, for laughs or as a sincere message to the girl was a scammer or not. Why would I reward a mamasan for letting me sit there with a known scammer or trouble girl? Oh, yeah, that has happened to me before. Therefore, I might very well hand that same mamasan a tip or buy her a drink the next time I go in that bar and take that same girl to confirm to her and to any other girls witnessing it that whatever it was my girl agreed to in the bar and did for me in the room was very good for me, for her and for the mamasan.

    Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?
    I can only say it happens about 60-70% of the time FOR ME in Bangkok go-go bars if I use this approach or some verbal variation of it. It works much less so FOR ME in places like massage shops, Beer Garden Soi 7 and virtually anywhere in Pattaya. But no other approach works particularly well for me in those places either. LOL. Not to mention I look around in those places and wonder why I would even bother with girls generally so much less attractive than the girls I can get in Bangkok go-go bars anyway.

  7. #47366
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."
    This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    "We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".

    Yes, ok.
    Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?

  8. #47365
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

    For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy..
    So after doing all that, you could have easily said that you overpay. 5 k baht. Well now we know who is driving up prices. New folks reading his post, never pay more than 1500ST and 3000 LT. 5 k, you got to be kidding me.

  9. #47364
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    "Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"
    Somewhat confused ET as to exactly how much you paid and did you get bb cip?

  10. #47363
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99  [View Original Post]
    Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?
    Service is not black or white I. E. Good or bad. Nor is it some mystical experience but it is nuanced with a myriad of sensitivities influenced by a multitude of variables. So yes when you pay you expect good service but your idea of good service may be personal and different from others. Recent posts have bemoaned the inability of Asian girls to take a good pounding whatever that means, others feel it's a dud unless the girl behaves like a girlfriend again whatever that means while still others give the session low marks unless it BB sex. For me it's important to have a chat beforehand call it foreplay if you will to know what her service profile is and if there is some semblance of that enigmatic chemistry going on. Back to the issue on hand, why give an incentive by way of an extra bonus? Simply put, most likely she will try harder.

  11. #47362

    Here is what I did last night

    I am not comfortable with offering more money if the girl "does a great job" or "makes me happy." I realize this works very well for many punters and good for them. But I have run up against too many sweet young things whose idea of "great" and "happy" are miles away from what I'm talking about. Especially if they only have their experiences with other, possibly much easier to please, punters from which to judge. Inevitably, there is a 99% chance what appears to work and work very well for most punters will NOT work for me. So I need to be a lot more specific than that. It isn't the easier or more comfortable way to go for sure. Far from it. But, like many things in life, it gets easier and the results more frequent the more you do it.

    This is what I did last night in the one and only Nana Plaza go-go bar I went into around 10PM, Mandarin Bar.

    I walked in, looked around and immediately spied a sweet young thing that did it for me for her face and body head to toe at first glance. I sat in the booth right under where she was dancing. Eye contact and smiles. Another girl comes over and plops herself next to me. "Buy me a drink?" No, honey, I just sat down and want to relax a few minutes. Ok, she gets up and leaves, pouting. Mamasan comes over and says Hi, I squeeze her hand and say "Sawadee khrup" (Hello).

    I scan the room but my attention goes back to the one dancing on the table in front of me. More eye contact and smiles. She gestures that she is cold because she is dancing in front of the air-conditioner. I gesture for her to come down for a drink. She is happy. Small chit chat about our names, where you from, blah, blah, blah.

    When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."

    As she finishes her Ladydrink I ask my girl how much for barfine. She calls over the mamasan who shows me a card that says "1,200 baht barfine, ST 3,000 baht" etc. I say thank you I will talk to my girl about it.

    "You like to kiss?" (similar to Natty's key question, as I recall!), pointing to my lips and her lips.

    Yes.

    We give it a try right there in the bar and she opens her mouth slightly for our tongues to touch.

    "Do you sa-moke (smoke, blowjob) for me?"

    What?

    "Sa-moke. Not cigarettes. A blowjob. Sa-moke me (pointing to my dick)?"

    Oh. Yes.

    "How will you finish it for me?"

    (confused look, understandably and not unexpectedly).

    "Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"

    Yes.

    She smiled when she said it as though she'd never heard of a girl finishing a blowjob any other way. But that was just my backup plan question before the next, far more important question. Her English and my Thai were too shaky to take a chance on this one. So I typed it out on Google Translate and showed it to her:

    "We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".

    Yes, ok. You want to pay bar now?

    "Yep."

    You want me to go change now (gesturing with both hands about changing into street clothes).

    "Yes, honey." And there was no discussion about me prepaying in the bar. I only prepaid the barfine in the bar. I paid her the 2,500 after we were finished in my room.

    All went very well in the room, no unpleasant surprises, no tricks. This method works about 60-70% of the time for me in Bangkok go-go bars and it way predates the coronavirus hysteria if that is in anyone's mind. Yeah, maybe I could have kept it at 2,000 baht. But doing that has triggered more back and forth in the past that I am too weary of after all these years. I like the element of surprise and disarming them by offering them MORE (just 500 baht) than they thought they had in their hand just a minute ago and that seems to diminish or even eliminate any argument regarding what I am now asking them to do for me instead of a mere blowjob with a real blowjob finish (BBFS+CIP). And if there IS any further balking about it in the room, at least I have a BBBJ+CIM agreement in the bank for less money. Not 100% guaranteed. Nothing is in this hobby. But pretty close.

    She really was a lovely sweetheart. I will repeat. If I have time while cruising the scene for other fresh 19-20 year old cuties.

  12. #47361
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here.
    In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

    For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.

    I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.

  13. #47360
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.
    You have to allow for Asian girls not being used to taking a good pounding nor a big cock. However there do exist Thai girls who like big, deep, and heavy fucking. Some Asian girls in the modern day are even taking black guys as BFs (big and strong).

    Many years ago I was totally sick of hookers in my own Country, and so moved to Asian girls since they had a much better attitude, and gave better service by miles, and on average better looking. However that was late 80's, early 90's. Back then most Thai girls were fun in the room. Times have changed. European hookers can give really good service if you find the right ones. I have to agree though that latin and black hookers have always been better for average service levels than Thais. Not that many dud Latinas, in my experience, despite never having been to south America.

  14. #47359
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99  [View Original Post]
    Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?
    Exactly my point. Boy, what a place we have come to. Next thing you know I'm going to have to tip the clerk at 7 for ringing up my cookies.

  15. #47358
    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.
    And so you are pushing up the cost more and more. Double her pay? No wonder attitudes are so poor. Sorry, when a Isaan GoGo girl is wanting 3 k for ST, good service should come along with that. That is already a more than "fair reward. " That is is what you are agreeing to pay her for in the first place. Do you tip the person that cleans your aircon or the people that deliver your new washing machine in order to get them to do their job properly? No, it is part of the service. What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here. There is face involved. If you pay an egregious amount, then all of the sudden that is her "worth" and she will not be happy with anything less as that is a loss of face for her, even if just in her own mind. Don't fool yourself, these girls for the most part make quite a bit more than the average Thai. Salaries are about 30 k per month without drinks and not including what they make ST and LT. That being said, if she chooses to stay LT on her own volition and services you more that night and in the morning, then a little more might be in order.

    I'm addition, check sites like finfinfan. That is where the local Thai men find their gals. The girls are much better looking than what you see in GoGos and the average per hour for their company (including room) is 1600 - 2000 Baht.

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