Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

A quick shower and she might as well be a virgin. For me, sex is about the entire experience. DFK, DATY, rimming the gal, etc, are all part of the experience. I enjoy all of them, just as much as I enjoy them being done to me. Sometimes it is nice to lay back and get "serviced," but for me that is not often. I like taking the lead and directing the session.

Yeah, I just don't dwell on what the girl did with her mouth or pussy before seeing me. Since her previous customer finished and before having sex with me, she will be taking at least TWO showers and probably shoveled a spoonful or more of somtam in her mouth thanks to that previous customer's money. Which is enough to kill any living organism in there other than the girl herself.

I assume guys who like and engage in Anal sex are not dwelling too much on the fact that a big brown turd just passed through that orifice possibly less than 15-20 minutes prior. The guys who are into and engaging in insertive Anal sex, I mean.

[EihTooms]

When reading Tooms post, what stands out to me is that he was ok with a BBBJCIM as "everything. " And he was even patient and tried to actually communicate and show the gal what he wanted. She still didn't get it. I think he was well within to do what he did. And he was quite clear about it from the start. I'll take the opposite view of some on this thread. If we all demanded better performance and were willing to walk and pay less than agreed upon if we didn't get it, then we be getting better service overall. The gals are going to try to get away with providing as little as possible, especially FLs. I pretty much stopped taking FLs quite some time ago as I had a string of non-performers, and yes I make it known what I expect up front. I tell them in Thai, I expect you to f#ck me the way you f#ck your gig / BF or like we are in a "sex movie. ".

You are quite right, Goatscrot. However, I might be one of the rare (?) customers for whom a BBBJ+CIM is practically equal in importance as BBFS+CIP. So it was and is fairly easy for me not to feel fully ripped off by a girl who pulls a bait and switch regarding her strong implication that BBFS+CIP is on the menu if I take her. Not as long as she is still willing to deliver on a competent BBBJ+CIM. But I understand many other customers have no interest whatsoever in a finished BJ and it is all about FS.

In this particular case, the Thermae girl knew when she enthusiastically agreed to "make me happy" with a BBBJ+CIM that she had no intention of taking it anywhere beyond 6-7 minutes of a pretend-clumsy attempt while continually trying to get me back on track for what would make her happy instead of me. She never once brought that up as a reason I should give her more than the 1,000 baht I had already given her either. "But I DO for you!" Nope. She never mentioned anything like it later. Because she knew she didn't even try to DO for me. lol.

BTW, on your "I expect you to f#ck me the way you f#ck your gig / BF or like we are in a "sex movie."" approach, I can tell you that when I have simplified my negotiation with a girl down to something like that, i.e. "What do I want? I want to have sex with you like a real boyfriend and girlfriend have sex together", almost without exception the girl immediately knows that means No Condom, will say so and will either agree to or reject the offer on that basis.

That is how well versed and understanding Thai hookers are of the pertinent words and the meaning of them in this business. And it is further evidence for how often they get asked for BBFS, which they are only too happy to play their own word games with when they pitch the "Everything, up to you, I will make you happy" bit.

[EihTooms]

I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.

And based on your kind of go with the flow behavior, I can understand why girls feel comfortable doling out shitty service for serious (by Thai standards) money now. But I fully agree with your concept of being smart and not paying the girls upfront. There is nothing stopping you and others from continuing with that smart principle when the girl asks for the money upfront. Even if ALL the girls started asking for the money upfront. Asking ain't getting.

In my case with the Thermae girl, I only paid upfront an amount I would have been comfortable paying her even if things turned out the way they did anyway. Experience has told me there would be DATY, which I do enjoy, she'd get naked and there would be at least a few minutes of seeing what the inside of her mouth felt like on my dick. Ok, I was willing to pay 1,000 baht for that since we were already in my room. Otherwise, a request by the girl to Pay Upfront is virtually always a warning sign of trouble ahead. As it was in this case as well. The warning is that girl is setting the stage to deliver shitty service, not that the poor dear has been ripped off or cheated by too many evil customers.

That Thermae girl now knows there are some customers who actually will expect her to deliver on her sales pitch in the bar for the full amount agreed upon. I hope I am not the first and only customer willing to help her learn such a thing these days.

[Goatscrot]

And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.

When reading Tooms post, what stands out to me is that he was ok with a BBBJCIM as "everything. " And he was even patient and tried to actually communicate and show the gal what he wanted. She still didn't get it. I think he was well within to do what he did. And he was quite clear about it from the start. I'll take the opposite view of some on this thread. If we all demanded better performance and were willing to walk and pay less than agreed upon if we didn't get it, then we be getting better service overall. The gals are going to try to get away with providing as little as possible, especially FLs. I pretty much stopped taking FLs quite some time ago as I had a string of non-performers, and yes I make it known what I expect up front. I tell them in Thai, I expect you to f#ck me the way you f#ck your gig / BF or like we are in a "sex movie. ".

[Goatscrot]

Exactly. These guys who enjoy DATY (licking another guy's cum out of a girl's pussy) and DFK (licking another guy's cum out of a girl's mouth) with prostitutes have a different mindset.

A quick shower and she might as well be a virgin. For me, sex is about the entire experience. DFK, DATY, rimming the gal, etc, are all part of the experience. I enjoy all of them, just as much as I enjoy them being done to me. Sometimes it is nice to lay back and get "serviced," but for me that is not often. I like taking the lead and directing the session.

[Turgid]

I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.

Not only wanting full upfront payment but providing bad service to farangs. A scammed girl will tell her friends who will tell others. Who knows in the future there may be many more ISG reports of poor service by Thai hookers and longing for the good old days.

[EihTooms]

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Re Mr. Tooms and the discussion with Mr. Croc, I'm sorry Mr. Tooms, though I am in some ways a "fellow traveler", I think you are being at least somewhat disingenuous.

You, more than anyone else should really know that "do everything for you". (a very common line) means "do everything, but you wear a condom and you don't put it in my butt".

(frankly, I actually assume, oral or an attempt at such, a massage, and standard vaginal but covered sex in positions you want) (that's what a typical Thai girl would consider "everything")

Cannot comment on CIM, but I'll take Mr. Tooms word for it.

So, when I hear "make you happy, do everything for you", and all such and related lines I already KNOW that it means covered (sometimes even for oral, so I would immediately check on that) and I know it means no anal.

Many of these girls speak limited English, this is a standard line, they all learn from each other.

I will often playfully raise my eyebrow and say "anything / everything " ???? And then often the qualifications come out and I laugh and say "but I thought you said "everything". And the girls with a sense of humor will chuckle about it as well. Sometimes when so challenged they will nonetheless will repeat "everything", and being the skeptic that I am, I will of course say, "anal"?? and that is immediately shot down. LOL

So please, everyone. When you hear "everything for you, to make you happy", blah blah, it means covered and it means no anal. Or best said. Assume that, and if you want more, then very directly and specifically inquire about "additional service (s)".

And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.

Sorry, Catire, but I do not agree with that at all. Sure, I have playfully engaged in the "Everything?" exchange with the girls, too, and many times I have still heard no mention of condom. I suppose we could devote an entire thread to what, subjectively in each and every case, is taken by some mongers and hookers as "standard service" in Thailand.

These girls know very well the little scam they hope they are pulling when they pitch themselves as giving you "Everything" for the money in order to get you to take them and then start laying out rules in the room, especially with regard to condom or no condom. Which, as I said, the girls will tell you is one of if not the most often requested service.

How do I know the girls know they are pulling a little scam with that "Everything, up to you" bit? It is right there in my initial report, although I can understand why many might miss it because I did not highlight the point.

The girls always give away a "tell" as big as a city bus that they know they tried to pull a little scam. I have done what I described in that report several times over the years and in every case the "tell" is the same. And here it is; Not one time did the girl make the argument or even allude to the argument that the reason I should give her more money, the full 2,500 baht agreed upon, is because I had told her that is what I would pay her in the bar. Not once. Instead, the only argument she had for me giving her more than the 1,000 baht I had already given her was "for taxi" (which happens even when we give them every baht that was agreed upon) and simply because she needed more money.

In other words, as she continued to ask me for more money on the way down the soi afterwards, she was really only asking me to give her a "gift" of more money, not to pay "what you said" in the bar. She knew very well what she'd hoped I would infer by her "Everything" pitch. Not once did she make that other point or even vaguely allude to it. As has been the case with all of the others who pulled that little scam and got a reduced payment for it, she never expressed even the least bit of anger, never raised her voice, not even the slightest emotional outburst about my not paying the full amount I agreed to pay her to "make me happy". She got busted on her scam, that's all. And she knew it. Her problem was I held her to what she knew I would think I was buying when she "sold" that idea to me in the bar. And she was fully aware that was her problem.

When we get scammed by the girls in the bars who ask for a Ladydrink and then order a non-existent "coke and tequila" cocktail, but it turns out they just ordered two Ladydinks for themselves, we have the right, some might say a duty, to protest and demand the amount be adjusted downward when the bill is handed to us afterwards, correct? I have done that. I know others have as well. Again, in NO case has the girl who pulled that scam dared to "act dumb" about it and try to make a passionate case that, "Hey, mister! You SAID you'd buy me drink!! Why you not pay all?" LOL. Of course not. Because they know they are the ones who pulled a scam, not the customer, not me. The customer is not acting in "bad faith" or stiffing the girl or the bar by getting that bill amount adjusted downward after that little scam has been pulled on him. And everyone involved knows it.

The "Everything, up to you, I will make you happy" bit is no different. Some of you nice fellows are way under estimating these Thai hookers' understanding of the word games they play in order to bait and switch or otherwise scam a customer into paying more and getting less. Many times it is done by them only for sport, not even for desperate need for money, btw.

[Smoothy]

Pronunciation lessons in Bangkok thread. Great.

Use a translator as it will phonetically spell it out and likely more accurate than what you'll find here.

Who said we were going for phoneticall precision? "So what the crap" works when it's said quickly and without much annunciation. I think that's awesome. I don't say it like that in the office, but at bars I do.

[Smoothy]

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[Catire]

Completely agree with Mr. Chizzle re "Caveat Emptor". It seems that many people constantly forget this iron law of P4 P, along with YMMV.

Re Mr. Tooms and the discussion with Mr. Croc, I'm sorry Mr. Tooms, though I am in some ways a "fellow traveler", I think you are being at least somewhat disingenuous.

You, more than anyone else should really know that "do everything for you". (a very common line) means "do everything, but you wear a condom and you don't put it in my butt".

(frankly, I actually assume, oral or an attempt at such, a massage, and standard vaginal but covered sex in positions you want) (that's what a typical Thai girl would consider "everything")

Cannot comment on CIM, but I'll take Mr. Tooms word for it.

So, when I hear "make you happy, do everything for you", and all such and related lines I already KNOW that it means covered (sometimes even for oral, so I would immediately check on that) and I know it means no anal.

Many of these girls speak limited English, this is a standard line, they all learn from each other.

I will often playfully raise my eyebrow and say "anything / everything " ???? And then often the qualifications come out and I laugh and say "but I thought you said "everything". And the girls with a sense of humor will chuckle about it as well. Sometimes when so challenged they will nonetheless will repeat "everything", and being the skeptic that I am, I will of course say, "anal"?? and that is immediately shot down. LOL

So please, everyone. When you hear "everything for you, to make you happy", blah blah, it means covered and it means no anal. Or best said. Assume that, and if you want more, then very directly and specifically inquire about "additional service (s)".

And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.

[Byron2001]

Not surprisingly, I disagree that I broke the deal and stiffed her. In terms of sexual satisfaction, she broke the deal with me. She said she would make me happy for 2,500 baht without asking what that meant to me. As far as I could tell anything and everything I wanted, up to me, was on the menu. She had plenty of time to say otherwise before we left the bar, outside the bar and on the taxi ride to my room. I was willing to forego FS entirely without pressuring her by accepting a conventional option, BBBJ+CIM, which she agreed to do, quite enthusiastically I might add.

Is BBBJ+CIM considered standard service among Thai hookers? I would say the majority of Thai hookers I have met in go-go bars, in the clubs, on the street, etc include BBBJ+CIM on their menu. And, once agreed upon, I submit only half-assed pretending to give a BJ for 6-7 minutes, ignoring or refusing to adjust to some simple motor skill moves to accommodate what works for me and clearly trying to change the subject every other minute would not be defined by most as "good faith" or keeping her side of the deal.

Aside from that particular incident, the girls tell me punters are constantly asking them for BBFS. I have no doubt the girl I took from Thermae has been hit up for it many, many times. I would therefore submit that as long as the girls know that is a service much desired and likely to be asked for by their customers who want to be "made happy", it is 100% on them to start addressing it before or during their sales pitch or else they are playing games with the issue and not presenting their offer to "make you happy" in good faith..

I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.

[Kickoffs]

Pronunciation lessons in Bangkok thread. Great.

Use a translator as it will phonetically spell it out and likely more accurate than what you'll find here.

[T Chizzle]

Gents,

TLDR; Farangs not that high in the clientele chain; one action of another could cause disagreeable effects for others; hate barfines; Thermae 2.5 k average price; you should be able to find someone in Bangkok.

Here are some insights based on my recent discussions with some working girls here in Bangkok. Some of you who are pros in the city may agree and are probably aware already; some of you may have differing opinions. This is just my personal observation and Bangkok report based on my recent time here in the city.

Based on my impression from what I gather, the pecking order for how the Thai girls would prefer the ethnicity of their foreign clients are (in order): Japanese, Korean, Westerners (farangs), Chinese / Arabs / Indians; Westerners are unfortunately just slightly better than the Chinese. Strange; considering the majority of tourists here are the Chinese, but I guess these Thai girls still don't see them in good of a light as you would think. And I'm not certain whether or not the Arabs / Indians would fall below or above the Chinese; their issue seems be related to lack of personal hygiene.

Unfortunately, any past negative encounters caused by a certain race of clients causes future repercussions and possible negative assessments for future clients from whatever ethnicity that caused the negative experiences. Just as we (mongerers) have an avenue to 'gossip' online and on these forums, these Thai girls also like to gossip and relay feedback to their friends about their experiences with different types of clients. I hate to get myself stereotyped for possibly being a potentially bad client based on a previously bad experience that someone else (who happens to be of the same ethnicity) has caused on a girl; and now her friends' friends' friends might have the same prejudice. But this is the reality here it would seem; getting prejudged based on other experiences unrelated to you. And something that I learned here in Bangkok is that if the girl quotes you anything more than 3 k, then most likely she is not that interested in going with you.

I've always approached this hobby with a 'caveat emptor'-like mentality. Although I can't control mutual chemistry or a girl's performance (and have encountered several bad experiences in the past in different parts of the world), some things that I can control are my personal attitude and respect towards the girl and choosing someone that physically attracts me. By only choosing attractive girls, I know that I've limited my potential to find more good performers. What I mean is it's in the same way that someone using Tinder swipes right to all photos; they've increased their odds for mutual connection. Whereas I would only swipe right to only girls that I actually find attractive; my odds become less. In the same way with connecting with pros, I'd like to have both attractiveness and good performance. Though based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems that provide both attractiveness and good performance. So far in Bangkok, I've only had a couple bad experiences. But for those bad experiences, I think I was able to leave a neutral to positive impression for the girl (even though my experience wasn't all that great). There's only so much I can control.

Something that I'm not too fond of here is this gogo barfine system; seems rather pimp-ish to me. I'm coming from the German FKK system of things. And with the FKK way of things, paying an entrance fee to use a facility (sauna, pool, etc.) seems more reasonable. Whereas here, I'm paying some fee that seems ridiculous (at least I feel like it's ridiculous). Maybe if by paying the barfine also meant free alcoholic beverages or something, then I'd probably be okay with it.

Another visit to Thermae gave me a chance to casually talk with some of the girls. Anytime a girl approached me, I would say that I was married and was only there to drink and observe. This allowed some time to have some simple conversations with the girls. 2 k-3 k is what I was being quoted by the girls I talked with and I tried to hit all areas of the room to determine if there were any great pricing gaps. I don't know if getting one of these girls (initially) under 2 k is possible. I think you would have to establish some kind of long-term rapport with the girl and become her regular before that's possible. From what I've seen on the 'Sideline'Finfin' sites, the girls are offering services (to their Thai natives) at an average of 1. 5 k. Also the clientele at Thermae is definitely close to 98 percent Asian. If you're a Farang, I would say that going to Thermae would make you definitely stand out in the crowd and you may be considered lower in the pecking order as an ideal client.

But overall and based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems here in the city that should meet your expectations.

TC.

[D Cups]

You dared to challenge Syzygies?

He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.

What are you thinking Smoothy?

People say what D cup to me all the time!

[Ixgzca]

Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

Is it news that foreigners have an accent when saying Thai words and that Thais have an accent when saying foreign words? What's the world coming to? 😂😂😂