Bangkok Reports

[CzarNicholas]

Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls.

I don't drink so I never take drunk girls!

I don't leave money around.

It was hidden in the closet.

My biggest problem was I thought I had a rapport with the geisha mamasan (I have spoken with her 10-20 x in the past).

And she seemed upset with me that I was complaining about this hooker trying to steal money from me.

Post-script, billboard has some of the rudest / most disrespectful bar staff (drink servers) I have ever seen in any brothel / strip club anywhere in the world.

[Syzygies]

I ask many gogo girls why they choose a certain gogo bar over others. Most common answer is they like the mamasan or their friends work there. When I get into more detail about why they choose a Farang bar or an Asian bar the more common answer is they are a girl that a Farang // Asian prefer so they work at that gogo bar since they will make more drink / boom money. It has little to do if they prefer a Farang over an Asian or vice versa. Of course if a Farang asks a girl which nationality they like they will answer they prefer Farang. Same applies if an Asian asks. If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.

I tend to ask more whether the girl gets lots of Asian customers or lots of Farang, or both. So yes clearly some girls are not Asian guy spec. However I do find there is a strong correlation. Girls that have mostly farang customers will tend to say they prefer them. Girls that have mostly Asian customers do not still claim to prefer Farangs, so much, however I probably would bother to put them on the spot and ask that directly. You are right their is no point to ask a question if you are expecting a bullshit answer.

I think girls often prefer what they are used to. Have to allow for variation of course, good guys and assholes. Definitely their are girls looking to pick a Farang BF or sponsor (or two). some want a Korean BF, or japanese, etc. Some strangely want to support a Thai boy. Definitely good to avoid these girls, unless they still enjoy their fucking work. Some girls have a Tom partner but still seem to get into fucking with a guy. Maybe ambidextrous.

There is little doubt to me that nearly all my regulars are Farang spec girls and these girls prefer farangs as well. Maybe one or two of my regulars could attract guys from any nationality at all. My Lao girl has quite light skin and quite pretty face (but no surgeries) so I think Asian guys could like her, if they go for slim. I first saw her sitting outside an MP, and was pretty enough to be a "must do" for me. Very non-typical of the the general girls in the MPs.

Clearly there are girls that prefer Farangs and girls that clearly like Japanese, Koreans, etc. So we have to try to discern it one way or another. Plenty of girls will admit to me that hardly any Asian guys would choose them. They have to be least very used to Farangs. So I say, a girl with very low Farang experience, is a huge risk for me.

Of course girls want to go to London, no negative points for that. They could maybe make big money as a hooker there. Much better for them there than the USA I would reckon. London is an absolutely prime desired destination. So seems you are just trying to be difficult, on this issue.

In soapies, I noticed that Thai men tend to prefer more voluptuous type of Chinese looking girls (too puffy for me) where I preferred skinny Thai looking girls. A do see a lot of Japanese guys walking with girls superior looking, than the girls walking with the Farangs, on Soi Cowboy for example. However I also see Japanese guys sometimes with the high surgeries girls or the Ladyboys. Farangs walking with girls, have fewer very pretty girls, probably fewer high surgeries, and fewer ladyboys as well. Many have girls that I just would not give a 2nd glance I guess.

So do Asian guys go for skinny girls with very small tits, or is tits a very important criteria along with white skin? Tits are probably least important for me for size as long as not horrible coconuts or or horrible sag bags. Nice shape is good, size not a big deal.

In 1991 it was much easier. Nearly all the hookers were well used to doing plenty of Farangs unless they were newbies. All night GFE was pretty standard. Number of girl failures was definitely way lower although must have helped that I was 35 YO, and easier to please back then. Must have taken plenty of girls whose looks would not be good enough for me now.

I expect that the girl I took from Rainbow 2 recently won't last, unless she survives on dancing salary. Most customers are Asian but she is not Asian guy spec. She is very Issan but not a broad nose, skin not that light. If she wants to be BFed, she might have to move to another bar and up her game instead of play around like monkey (probably not handle her drinks). Her body was really fine no surgeries. Basically I was scammed in that she announced the "period" at the last possible moment, when supposed to fuck, and refused to get the shorts off. Very fortunate I never pay the girl upfront. I did not think I specifically had to ask girls if they are having a period before BFing, and if they have a sponge stuffed up the pussy. ha ha. I might from now on. She admitted to low Farang experience, so I should have decided against her really. Low experience means they can't really know if they like Farangs. She was relieved I could speak Thai, her English was probably low to non existent, Japanese would be zero too.

Is important to discern which girls likely are a waste of time and money. I probably never ever acquired a favourite girl from a Rainbow bar. Maybe that is why I see very few Farangs in there. I did have some repeat girls from Baccara.

[KilledSoul]

Wonderful Mongers in the Paradise of mongering.

I will be visiting Thailand in the month of July and an looking forward to this trip. Having spent the last month or so reading the posts in this forum, I must say that some of the experiences that I have read about made me want to advance my ticket and get there immediately, but if only my job would permit me to do so.

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand. All men at some point misbehave, but there are so many Indians, if one were to logically look at ratio, then we'd be fine, but hey I can't ask for so much.

Anyways, getting to the point. Read that some places don't let men enter or women reject Indians, this is going to be not just fun, but challenging as well to break the ice and do my bit in helping to change the messed up reputation that we have.

Kumbu. Special mention as I enjoyed reading your reports.

Regards.

Sid.

Are you coming from India or US? If US, just use the most powerful aphrodisiac in world, money. Be generous and don't optimize for ROI like other desis. You will have a great time.

[Banana Boi]

What I would say, the success rate for Farangs must be better at bars where there are mostly Farangs and girls prefer them.

Get a fun girl experienced with Farangs who likes Farangs, or whatever if you are not a Farang.

I ask many gogo girls why they choose a certain gogo bar over others. Most common answer is they like the mamasan or their friends work there. When I get into more detail about why they choose a Farang bar or an Asian bar the more common answer is they are a girl that a Farang // Asian prefer so they work at that gogo bar since they will make more drink / boom money. It has little to do if they prefer a Farang over an Asian or vice versa. Of course if a Farang asks a girl which nationality they like they will answer they prefer Farang. Same applies if an Asian asks. If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.

[Syzygies]

I read several reports, mentioning two tier barfine values. Does anyone actually explain why the two tiers? Is it just the gogo girls verses the Coyotes, or better girls verses the plain ones, or perhaps the higher priced girls come from the agency supplying girls? Or we just don't know what this purpose of it. If high BF, she better be damn stunning for me, and really into it.

[Syzygies]

1st one vomited all over whilst trying to deepthroat me.

2nd promised anal didn't even get the tip in.

3rd one tried stealing money from me after sex.

I heard the closet door bang whilst I was in the shower.

I left the water running and came out quietly and caught her red handed with money in her hand.

And to make matters worse she got really shitty with me, I went back and told the mamasan the whole story, she just seemed really annoyed.

I'll never go back.

High prices.

Ugly girls.

Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls. Its about picking a classy girl that can be fun. Not always easy.

What I would say, the success rate for Farangs must be better at bars where there are mostly Farangs and girls prefer them.

Get a fun girl experienced with Farangs who likes Farangs, or whatever if you are not a Farang. I just guess.

I had a very memorable lovey dovey pretty girl from Billboard. Was a big favourite while she lasted. Hard to find another one there so good, but may well be.

[Syzygies]

Those surgeons are definitely talented. However, these Thai girls are going to the extreme with the pointy, witch jawline which I don't see anywhere in Korea or other Asian countries. Not a fan of the pink eye look either when it comes to make up.

My GF has a slightly more pointy chin than average, slim face and slim little upturned nose, all totally natural, so no need for any face surgeries at all, in my opinion. Of course Thais see it differently, and say they need a taller nose, but why? I don't get it.

Very light blue, green or other light coloured contacts on eyes does look slightly strange on Thai girls. Can't say I have seen pink yet. Sounds rather weird, but maybe not as bad as the strange surgeries.

For me, many girls that had surgeries on face look worse afterwards rather than improved. Dropped various bargirls after their nose jobs or tit jobs. Looks definitely went downhill badly for my taste. Coloured eyes or hair rarely bothered me too much. So to me, shape is way more important than colour. I pray that high bridge and convex nose jobs will eventually become unfashionable. Coconut shell tits too. Ha ha.

[EihTooms]

These "menu" dreams are mental masturbations. Sure some girls treat it as a pure economic transaction offering certain "services" to all.

That's why you have escorts posting "menus".

With a girl who has choice. , whether to sleep with you or not. Will also exercise choice and options whether to perform or even try to perform certain sexual acts with you.

So no set "menu" will ever exist apart from the "core standards". What may be on the menu for you, may not be there for me and vice versa.

For e. G. I would be willing to bet that the "menu" offered to Mr. Tooms becomes different. Or shall we say expands after he sits with a girl and talks with her for a while, buying her a drink or two. Making her more comfortable, etc and or willing to try something she would be unwilling to try with just any schmuck that came in and pointed out #44 for e. G.. I suspect his hiv test and or his vasectormy also affects the menu that may be offered to him.

Menu may expand if you are a regular customer. Menu may expand if she has mismanaged and her money and rent is due tomorrow, etc etc etc.. Menu will shrink if you are over endowed, etc

I agree with most of that. And the menu might also expand in bars with a nominal two tier barfine system that tends to offer a Reward Incentive for girls to say yes to negotiation proposals more readily in order to close the deal faster or more often, jusify the higher barfine being paid and earn their keep in the "Special girl" category. It has worked out that way for me at least.

But I don't agree with the idea that certain conditions tending to produce better results are "dreams" or "mental masturbation". I think they are real and worth applying to your mongering game. The conditions you listed after your opening statements are real.

If I were to say my (and probably your) chances of getting a notably above average Thermae girl who ordinarily has plenty of choices to agree upfront to going BB with me the night before rent is due, after the bars were closed for some Royal holidays and when it is pouring down rain outside, that would not be living in a dream or wanking myself. I believe those are conditions that can and will expand the menu and improve the chances of producing my desired result. Why not apply or exploit them?

Or maybe I have misunderstood what you mean by "dreams" and "mental masturbation".

[Goatscrot]

Those surgeons are definitely talented. However, these Thai girls are going to the extreme with the pointy, witch jawline which I don't see anywhere in Korea or other Asian countries. Not a fan of the pink eye look either when it comes to make up.

Yes, the long pointed chin implant is quite off-putting. Some of the surgical results are just bizarre.

[IMembr]

It sure would make it easier. Punters who want Anal can find it openly stated on offer at certain venues, perhaps with an additional 500 baht surcharge for it. How about BB on offer at certain venues with an additional 500 surcharge for it AND as long as the customer can show a recent (less than 1 month) negative HIV blood check document from Thai Red Cross? Lol. Yes, just a wish here too.

I can only surmise that my experience in getting Nana Plaza gogo bargirls to agree upfront to BB with me more frequently in two tier barfine bars has to do with those bars either knowingly or unknowingly instituting a Reward Incentive for closing more barfine deals with customers.

Whether the Special girl in the two tier barfine club gets a bigger share of the higher barfine or gets nothing more from it at all, there is a prestige associated with being among the Special girls in that club. Special girls in the bar probably get barfined more often based on an assumption, justified or not, that there is indeed something "Special" about them. Some girls who want to remain in that Special category and those in that bar who aspire to earn entry into it are more likely to agree to more and provide more to remain or get there.

Again, this is a perhaps inadvertant Reward Incentive program that seems to produce that kind of result for me in Nana gogo bars where the difference between the two tiers is somewhat nominal and where there is little or none of the no-sex Coyote barfining deal that exists in some Soi Cowboy gogo bars.

And I am also not talking about the kind of dramatically higher barfine for some girls in a venue that is obviously designed to discourage customers from barfining them for any reason, which is also a situation that tends to exist more in Soi Cowboy gogo bars than Nana gogo bars.

Which other bars have the 2 tier BF system at Nana Plaza? I've only run into it at Geisha. Admittedly, I don't venture out beyond Butterflies (I like the red couches by the jacuzzi) and Billboard. I just happened to stop by Geisha just because of proximity, and the place managed to get me to BF a couple girls. Though this is probably why each of our experiences are different. I'm used to just a 700 bar fine, and just about a 50/50 chance for the type of services you seek. Well probably closer to maybe 2 out of 5. So from my perspective, it just seems like the luck of the draw for that though covered FS works for me too.

Speaking of Soi Cowboy, I stopped by a couple weeks ago for the first time in a couple years and maybe 6 visits to the LOS ago. Still can't get into it for some reason there. Stopped by many bars but only Shark and Cowboy 2 were fun for me. There was a time when I preferred Cowboy to Nana. Maybe it's the layered bar fine system there.

[Catire]

These "menu" dreams are mental masturbations. Sure some girls treat it as a pure economic transaction offering certain "services" to all.

That's why you have escorts posting "menus".

With a girl who has choice. , whether to sleep with you or not. Will also exercise choice and options whether to perform or even try to perform certain sexual acts with you.

So no set "menu" will ever exist apart from the "core standards". What may be on the menu for you, may not be there for me and vice versa.

For e. G. I would be willing to bet that the "menu" offered to Mr. Tooms becomes different. Or shall we say expands after he sits with a girl and talks with her for a while, buying her a drink or two. Making her more comfortable, etc and or willing to try something she would be unwilling to try with just any schmuck that came in and pointed out #44 for e. G.. I suspect his hiv test and or his vasectormy also affects the menu that may be offered to him.

Menu may expand if you are a regular customer. Menu may expand if she has mismanaged and her money and rent is due tomorrow, etc etc etc.. Menu will shrink if you are over endowed, etc

[OrientalLover]

Today Wednesday went to NANA plaza. Looked at few of the bars finally settled into Billboard. It was around 9. 30.

Mama find me a seat near the bathtub. Girls in the bath tub were topless. Most of them had reasonable size tits.

Ask for a cola and enjoy the show for next half hour. There was no hassle from anyone to buy more drinks or pick a lady.

Finally settled on #28, Mai from Isan. A tall girl probably 5 ft 6 in with good size natural boobs.

She came over we settled on a sofa. Buy her 2 lady drinks and mama a cola. She was not a shy girl, she was fine with tongue kiss and she was rubbing my dick over the shorts. Deal was done for short time at my hotel. I paid the bar fine 700 baht and 500 baht for drinks. Off we went to our hotel.

Had a good time with her for next 2 and half hours.

Pay her 3000 baht and gave another 500 baht as tip.

[EihTooms]

We're just sharing information. I wish, and maybe is does given your experience, that the higher barfine meant a more expansive menu. It'd certainly make things easier.

It sure would make it easier. Punters who want Anal can find it openly stated on offer at certain venues, perhaps with an additional 500 baht surcharge for it. How about BB on offer at certain venues with an additional 500 surcharge for it AND as long as the customer can show a recent (less than 1 month) negative HIV blood check document from Thai Red Cross? Lol. Yes, just a wish here too.

I can only surmise that my experience in getting Nana Plaza gogo bargirls to agree upfront to BB with me more frequently in two tier barfine bars has to do with those bars either knowingly or unknowingly instituting a Reward Incentive for closing more barfine deals with customers.

Whether the Special girl in the two tier barfine club gets a bigger share of the higher barfine or gets nothing more from it at all, there is a prestige associated with being among the Special girls in that club. Special girls in the bar probably get barfined more often based on an assumption, justified or not, that there is indeed something "Special" about them. Some girls who want to remain in that Special category and those in that bar who aspire to earn entry into it are more likely to agree to more and provide more to remain or get there.

Again, this is a perhaps inadvertant Reward Incentive program that seems to produce that kind of result for me in Nana gogo bars where the difference between the two tiers is somewhat nominal and where there is little or none of the no-sex Coyote barfining deal that exists in some Soi Cowboy gogo bars.

And I am also not talking about the kind of dramatically higher barfine for some girls in a venue that is obviously designed to discourage customers from barfining them for any reason, which is also a situation that tends to exist more in Soi Cowboy gogo bars than Nana gogo bars.

[Smoothy]

This Saturday to Monday will see the new Kings three-day coronation ceremony. Does anyone know if clubs opening hours or the buying of alcohol will be affected on any of these days?

No wonder flights into Thailand are so cheap at those times. I was wondering what was going on.

[Bubba Boy]

This Saturday to Monday will see the new Kings three-day coronation ceremony. Does anyone know if clubs opening hours or the buying of alcohol will be affected on any of these days?