Bangkok Reports

[CzarNicholas]

I tend to ask more whether the girl gets lots of Asian customers or lots of Farang, or both. So yes clearly some girls are not Asian guy spec. However I do find there is a strong correlation. Girls that have mostly farang customers will tend to say they prefer them. Girls that have mostly Asian customers do not still claim to prefer Farangs, so much, however I probably would bother to put them on the spot and ask that directly. You are right their is no point to ask a question if you are expecting a bullshit answer.

I think girls often prefer what they are used to. Have to allow for variation of course, good guys and assholes. Definitely their are girls looking to pick a Farang BF or sponsor (or two). some want a Korean BF, or japanese, etc. Some strangely want to support a Thai boy. Definitely good to avoid these girls, unless they still enjoy their fucking work. Some girls have a Tom partner but still seem to get into fucking with a guy. Maybe ambidextrous.

There is little doubt to me that nearly all my regulars are Farang spec girls and these girls prefer farangs as well. Maybe one or two of my regulars could attract guys from any nationality at all. My Lao girl has quite light skin and quite pretty face (but no surgeries) so I think Asian guys could like her, if they go for slim. I first saw her sitting outside an MP, and was pretty enough to be a "must do" for me. Very non-typical of the the general girls in the MPs.

Clearly there are girls that prefer Farangs and girls that clearly like Japanese, Koreans, etc. So we have to try to discern it one way or another. Plenty of girls will admit to me that hardly any Asian guys would choose them. They have to be least very used to Farangs. So I say, a girl with very low Farang experience, is a huge risk for me..

Have been with 18 yo Bangkok hookers that said they've never been with a white guy before!

I love Bangkok, I can't wait to return in a few weeks.

[Goatscrot]

Don't worry too much. Many Farang expats like to put down Indians, and this board reflects that. To be honest, unlike 10-20 years ago, we Farang are no longer quite at top of the ladder in Thailand, bit salty about it, and looking for someone to put down.

You won't have trouble finding girls. Thais can be a bit racist towards Indians, some girls dislike them and a few clubs deny entry, but most of the working girls are not too squeamish, especially in Pattaya. Some even prefer Indians as they tend to be fairly easy customers (in terms of bedroom expectations, not in terms of price negotiations) once they know how to deal with them.

I don't think it has much to do with "looking for someone to put down," although I am sure some feel that way. It is about how the influx of Asian punters has changed the nature of the P4 P scene in Bangkok. It is now a very "Asian" scene as the majority of punters are Asian. What Asian dudes like and expect differs in many aspects to what Western guys like and expect. For many of us Westerners, it is not as fun of enjoyable. Thermae then and now is the perfect example.

[CzarNicholas]

CzarNicholas,

Would you be so kind to name and shame the shithole?

Dec 2018, January / Feb 2019!

[IMembr]

My GF has a slightly more pointy chin than average, slim face and slim little upturned nose, all totally natural, so no need for any face surgeries at all, in my opinion. Of course Thais see it differently, and say they need a taller nose, but why? I don't get it.

Very light blue, green or other light coloured contacts on eyes does look slightly strange on Thai girls. Can't say I have seen pink yet. Sounds rather weird, but maybe not as bad as the strange surgeries.

For me, many girls that had surgeries on face look worse afterwards rather than improved. Dropped various bargirls after their nose jobs or tit jobs. Looks definitely went downhill badly for my taste. Coloured eyes or hair rarely bothered me too much. So to me, shape is way more important than colour. I pray that high bridge and convex nose jobs will eventually become unfashionable. Coconut shell tits too. Ha ha.

Maybe for your GF she doesn't need it or maybe she does; I don't know what she looks like. I'm sure she looks just fine. I'm not against aesthetic surgeries because it can be done correctly and not noticeable.

The issue is these girls are on a budget for the most part and get budget surgeries. The coconut shell tits (haha!) with the heavy dark scar under the breast is unacceptable by today's standards, and I see girls dancing in their 20's with this. Why? Having the incision under the breast is common and can be done where it is only slightly noticeable. These girls have thin frames and flat chests, so going through the armpit should be more common place.

As for the style of surgery Thai girls get for their face, absolutely agree, and I don't get it either. The pointy chin is so unattractive and unnatural to me. Jay Leno must be godlike to these women.

The pink eye looks is done by make up, pink eye shadow. I don't mind colored contacts as well.

[Bouvis]

1st one vomited all over whilst trying to deepthroat me.

2nd promised anal didn't even get the tip in.

3rd one tried stealing money from me after sex.

I heard the closet door bang whilst I was in the shower.

I left the water running and came out quietly and caught her red handed with money in her hand.

And to make matters worse she got really shitty with me, I went back and told the mamasan the whole story, she just seemed really annoyed.

I'll never go back.

High prices.

Ugly girls.

CzarNicholas,

Would you be so kind to name and shame the shithole?

[Crocodilexp]

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand.

Don't worry too much. Many Farang expats like to put down Indians, and this board reflects that. To be honest, unlike 10-20 years ago, we Farang are no longer quite at top of the ladder in Thailand, bit salty about it, and looking for someone to put down.

You won't have trouble finding girls. Thais can be a bit racist towards Indians, some girls dislike them and a few clubs deny entry, but most of the working girls are not too squeamish, especially in Pattaya. Some even prefer Indians as they tend to be fairly easy customers (in terms of bedroom expectations, not in terms of price negotiations) once they know how to deal with them.

[OrientalLover]

Went to Soi Cowboy tonight Thursday. I went straight to Crazy House. They were charging entry fee for East Asians as well, the guys in front of me look like Japanese but they could be Koreans or Chinese. I am terrible at distinguishing these Nationalities even though I work with lot of East Asians back home. The door man wave me in, no entry fee for me.

Mama find a seat next to the stage. Ordered a cola and enjoy the pussy, boobs and legs on show for next half hour. No pressure from anyone to buy more or select a lady.

Finally settled into a 5 feet well endowed girl who was dancing with nothing on. She came over bought her 2 lady drinks and bought a cola for mama. She was from Chiangmai. I fondled, and licked her boobs and play with her pussy. She put my finger on her asshole and ask me do you like anal. I replied of course.

After a while ask her for short time she told me 3000 baht for her and 700 baht bar fine. She ask me to pay everything upfront. I should have said no but did not want to kill the mood so I paid. I settle the bill, it was 500 baht, by the way every time I order the drink they ask me to sign the bill.

We walk down to Soi 21 side to catch the taxi to my hotel in Soi 11.

Those Taxi mafia bastards want 200 baht for the ride. It was same yesterday from Nana plaza he wanted 100 baht. Again not to cause a scene I paid 200 baht. What do you guys do with these Taxi mafia? Do you just go to the sort time hotel or you just pay them what ever those bastards ask.

Anyway back to the hotel we showered clean up and onto the bed. She is a good kisser but she would not allow me to go down on her. She told me she don't want to cum. Then she started to give me blow job it did not even last 5 minutes. Condom on and started to fuck her, since I was not warmed up enough it took a good 30 minutes of pounding before I cum. Usually if I had a good long foreplay I'll not last more than 15 minutes in fucking. I guess she probably learn the lesson, she can't rush things upfront and expect to finish quickly.

I did not tip her, I gave 100 baht for taxi which she ask, I guess it is kind of a tip.

So there it is some you win and some you lose but the battle goes on. I'm looking forward to tomorrow already.

[Alex Deuce]

Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls. Its about picking a classy girl that can be fun. Not always easy.

What I would say, the success rate for Farangs must be better at bars where there are mostly Farangs and girls prefer them.

Get a fun girl experienced with Farangs who likes Farangs, or whatever if you are not a Farang. I just guess.

I had a very memorable lovey dovey pretty girl from Billboard. Was a big favourite while she lasted. Hard to find another one there so good, but may well be.

What did momma do for you to label her as bad person? I don't know if we are talking about the same person but the momma that my friends and I dealt with was upfront, funny and managed our transactions like a professional.

[CzarNicholas]

I don't drink so I never take drunk girls!

I don't leave money around.

It was hidden in the closet.

My biggest problem was I thought I had a rapport with the geisha mamasan (I have spoken with her 10-20 x in the past).

And she seemed upset with me that I was complaining about this hooker trying to steal money from me.

Post-script, billboard has some of the rudest / most disrespectful bar staff (drink servers) I have ever seen in any brothel / strip club anywhere in the world.

She was about 25 tall thin.

Its very dark in there so I did not notice inside the bar.

But once I was on top of her missionary I noticed a scar on her mouth.

It could be from anything.

It shocked me I didn't notice in the bar, but she knew how to hide it.

But it could have been a minor cleft palate repair?

Or somebody smashed her in the mouth with a beer mug for stealing his money?

No name? Or number? That I remember.

[Catire]

Or maybe I have misunderstood what you mean by "dreams" and "mental masturbation".

We agree. I was merely talking about your ruminations of a preset "menu".

[TheTank85]

Wonderful Mongers in the Paradise of mongering.

I will be visiting Thailand in the month of July and an looking forward to this trip. Having spent the last month or so reading the posts in this forum, I must say that some of the experiences that I have read about made me want to advance my ticket and get there immediately, but if only my job would permit me to do so.

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand. All men at some point misbehave, but there are so many Indians, if one were to logically look at ratio, then we'd be fine, but hey I can't ask for so much..

On my last trip to Thailand I went to Soi Cowboy, I was allowed in most of the places, at Baccara the guy at the door stopped me from going in and spoke to me in a rude manner, I asked him in a calm way what the problem was? And he said "Members Only" and pointed to the street. I asked him how I could become a member, I asked him how much do I have to pay to enter and he spoke back in a rude way again. I turned away and headed to another place, not like it was the only place in Soi Cowboy. I then went to Tilac and sat outside and ordered a beer, I tipped the mamasan who brought me my beer. The manasan pointed to the door of Tilac and said that there were nice girls inside if I wanted to go in. And she then escorted me into Tilac and got me a nice place to sit. She also told me to tell her if I like any of the girls which were dancing on the stage.

If you go and spend money, be respectful of everyone at the place you will definitely be welcome to a majority of the places.

I also have a trip planned in the coming weeks. I will be visiting Pattaya and Bangkok for a week each.

Hope this helps.

TheTank.

[Mogwai]

If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.

I would buy her a drink because A. she knows that England is (a part of) the UK and B. she knows London is in England.

[EihTooms]

I read several reports, mentioning two tier barfine values. Does anyone actually explain why the two tiers? Is it just the gogo girls verses the Coyotes, or better girls verses the plain ones, or perhaps the higher priced girls come from the agency supplying girls? Or we just don't know what this purpose of it. If high BF, she better be damn stunning for me, and really into it.

In reality, it is probably agency girls vs girls recruited directly by the bar. But that is only a guess since I often do not see the difference when a mamasan says it is because the higher tier girls are prettier, younger, whatever. And only one mamasan ever said that. At Mandarin in Nana as I recall. Usually, the mamasan just shrugs and says nothing about why the two tiers.

Again, I'm talking about a 1,500 baht barfine vs a 700 or 800 baht barfine in the bar. I am not talking about a ridiculous 3,000 baht barfine vs 700 or 800 baht that you encounter in some Soi Cowboy gogo bars.

No matter. I don't really need to hear what they say is the reason. I only use the fact of it being a two tier system (700 vs 1,500) to work my BB requirement into the conversation. "So, what makes you so Special I have to pay a higher barfine? Does that mean you will blah blah blah for me?" That sort of thing. Insert whatever extra service one requires for those blah blah blahs.

Those kind of two tier barfine bars in Nana are the only bars where my bringing it up that way never caused the girl to flinch or stupidly over react to the question. Instead, I have had them turn to look me square in the face and say, "Just tell me what you want." I do and the answer more often than not is a clear and uncomplicated "Yes".

BTW, when the two tiers are only 700 or so vs 1,500 baht, I have not been pushed to pay any more to the girl either way. It has still been 2,000-2500 ST for the higher barfine girls as it is for the lower ones.

[CzarNicholas]

Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls.

I don't drink so I never take drunk girls!

I don't leave money around.

It was hidden in the closet.

My biggest problem was I thought I had a rapport with the geisha mamasan (I have spoken with her 10-20 x in the past).

And she seemed upset with me that I was complaining about this hooker trying to steal money from me.

Post-script, billboard has some of the rudest / most disrespectful bar staff (drink servers) I have ever seen in any brothel / strip club anywhere in the world.

[Syzygies]

I ask many gogo girls why they choose a certain gogo bar over others. Most common answer is they like the mamasan or their friends work there. When I get into more detail about why they choose a Farang bar or an Asian bar the more common answer is they are a girl that a Farang // Asian prefer so they work at that gogo bar since they will make more drink / boom money. It has little to do if they prefer a Farang over an Asian or vice versa. Of course if a Farang asks a girl which nationality they like they will answer they prefer Farang. Same applies if an Asian asks. If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.

I tend to ask more whether the girl gets lots of Asian customers or lots of Farang, or both. So yes clearly some girls are not Asian guy spec. However I do find there is a strong correlation. Girls that have mostly farang customers will tend to say they prefer them. Girls that have mostly Asian customers do not still claim to prefer Farangs, so much, however I probably would bother to put them on the spot and ask that directly. You are right their is no point to ask a question if you are expecting a bullshit answer.

I think girls often prefer what they are used to. Have to allow for variation of course, good guys and assholes. Definitely their are girls looking to pick a Farang BF or sponsor (or two). some want a Korean BF, or japanese, etc. Some strangely want to support a Thai boy. Definitely good to avoid these girls, unless they still enjoy their fucking work. Some girls have a Tom partner but still seem to get into fucking with a guy. Maybe ambidextrous.

There is little doubt to me that nearly all my regulars are Farang spec girls and these girls prefer farangs as well. Maybe one or two of my regulars could attract guys from any nationality at all. My Lao girl has quite light skin and quite pretty face (but no surgeries) so I think Asian guys could like her, if they go for slim. I first saw her sitting outside an MP, and was pretty enough to be a "must do" for me. Very non-typical of the the general girls in the MPs.

Clearly there are girls that prefer Farangs and girls that clearly like Japanese, Koreans, etc. So we have to try to discern it one way or another. Plenty of girls will admit to me that hardly any Asian guys would choose them. They have to be least very used to Farangs. So I say, a girl with very low Farang experience, is a huge risk for me.

Of course girls want to go to London, no negative points for that. They could maybe make big money as a hooker there. Much better for them there than the USA I would reckon. London is an absolutely prime desired destination. So seems you are just trying to be difficult, on this issue.

In soapies, I noticed that Thai men tend to prefer more voluptuous type of Chinese looking girls (too puffy for me) where I preferred skinny Thai looking girls. A do see a lot of Japanese guys walking with girls superior looking, than the girls walking with the Farangs, on Soi Cowboy for example. However I also see Japanese guys sometimes with the high surgeries girls or the Ladyboys. Farangs walking with girls, have fewer very pretty girls, probably fewer high surgeries, and fewer ladyboys as well. Many have girls that I just would not give a 2nd glance I guess.

So do Asian guys go for skinny girls with very small tits, or is tits a very important criteria along with white skin? Tits are probably least important for me for size as long as not horrible coconuts or or horrible sag bags. Nice shape is good, size not a big deal.

In 1991 it was much easier. Nearly all the hookers were well used to doing plenty of Farangs unless they were newbies. All night GFE was pretty standard. Number of girl failures was definitely way lower although must have helped that I was 35 YO, and easier to please back then. Must have taken plenty of girls whose looks would not be good enough for me now.

I expect that the girl I took from Rainbow 2 recently won't last, unless she survives on dancing salary. Most customers are Asian but she is not Asian guy spec. She is very Issan but not a broad nose, skin not that light. If she wants to be BFed, she might have to move to another bar and up her game instead of play around like monkey (probably not handle her drinks). Her body was really fine no surgeries. Basically I was scammed in that she announced the "period" at the last possible moment, when supposed to fuck, and refused to get the shorts off. Very fortunate I never pay the girl upfront. I did not think I specifically had to ask girls if they are having a period before BFing, and if they have a sponge stuffed up the pussy. ha ha. I might from now on. She admitted to low Farang experience, so I should have decided against her really. Low experience means they can't really know if they like Farangs. She was relieved I could speak Thai, her English was probably low to non existent, Japanese would be zero too.

Is important to discern which girls likely are a waste of time and money. I probably never ever acquired a favourite girl from a Rainbow bar. Maybe that is why I see very few Farangs in there. I did have some repeat girls from Baccara.