Bangkok Reports

[Wimble]

I wonder what housekeeping says. They do gossip and keep logs (not the wooden types)

When she left she saw the bed restraints.

[EihTooms]

Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?

So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.

1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.

2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.

3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.

4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.

If a go-go bar's primary business is to sell drinks then I get that they are annoyed that I am not buying another drink every 20 minutes. But not nearly as annoyed as I am that they enticed me into that bar on the (false) premise that those girls were there to be shopped as potential barfines for sex and not just to hustle me for lady drinks. So it could not concern me less that the staff, the girls, the owner or the Mayor of Bangkok himself is miffed by my milking one drink until I determine if that is the gimmick here or not.

By the same token, if the primary business of a go-go bar is to entice me to meet and pay barfines for sex with their girls then they are just going to have to wait until I see something interesting enough to me for that purpose in their line up before I start buying lady drinks and racking up significant numbers of drinks for myself. But that means I might need to sit through two 20 minute dance sets and even give it another 20-30 minutes after that on the chance that the only 2-3 girls in their employ who might cause me to open my wallet more often could return from an earlier barfine by then.

In such a case, I am doing my part by being fully prepared to go along with their business model. But if during that wait and see time I don't see a reason in their line up to add to the bar's drink income every 20 minutes then they are the ones not doing their part in the deal, not me.

Meanwhile, I have sat in packed go-go bars for more than an hour with only one club soda purchase to show for it many times and I have never been told to buy another drink or leave. And I have never felt shunned by girls in those bars either.

[GCNovice]

I believe 84 is one I also found to be hot, but not yet BFed. She was a little bit of a show off I think, knowing how hot she was. There is no need to buy drinks for mamasan, especially that fat one, it only encourages her to hang around. I personally make it clear to girls that she should use a different mamasan. There should be more than one. One was a gay boy one time I was there, rather loud but still preferred. I forget how many in total. I don't want to have anything to do with the fat mamasan but doesn't mean I have to stay away.

I don't believe I ever saw #84, #39 is the only that, actually, dance beyond the stomach movement and occasional hip swing. It's kind of hard to ignore mamasan when they roam the area I get seated at, even when I move. I don't buy them drinks, only the girl that I'm interested in when I have to talk to them for more than a minute and gauge if they would accept my counter offer.

[MonkeyPaw]

I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.

Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.

It's nice that members are sharing some dancers' numbers on this thread. It makes things so much easier. If I am familiar with another member's taste, I can plan to go into a go go bar in search of a specific number. No wasted drinks at bars not worthy of entry. My last night in BKK, Thursday, I started out at Nana in Rainbow 5 (next to Twisters). It was around 9:00, and there were a lot of girls, but nothing new that stood out. I went there looking for #11, a slim short haired girl with implants that I had seen before, but she wasn't there. However I did see some previous talent still working there that I've been with and had a decent to good experience with. If anybody has similar tastes to mine, those numbers are 053,37, 125,116, 61,184, 158, and 83. Treat them nicely with 2 drinks and they should be okay to go. Rainbow 5 is not pushy with drinks like most bars. Girls are there to fuck and make their money, so it's more like a brothel. All the girls I listed provided BBBJ with their sessions with me, no rushing, DFK, DATY and a couple of them was able to do CIM. And this was all on the first barfine date, not a repeat session. Usually for this I pay 3000 for ST plus 200 tip and taxi back, but for in my own hotel room and never upstairs. I only ever have used those short time rooms, maybe twice ever when there was a downpour in rain. Not having seen #11, and with an early flight out to Hong Kong, I decided to make my exit out of Nana.

Next I took a taxi to Soi Cowboy and stepped into Baccara around 9:45. Downstairs seating was full of customers, so I went to find a seat upstairs. Not more than 30 seconds after I took a seat on a sofa in front of the dance floor, #83 came to say "Hi. " Her name is Mai and we had sat together before a couple of days ago. She's a cute girl with short hair and braces, about 5'3 105 lbs and a pair of big man made boobs. By the way there is another girl #11, who works there. If anyone has seen her dance, can we agree that her boobs are way just too big for her small frame? She's a bit cute and slim, but with a size 600 breast implants on a 95 lbs body, they look rather silly to me. I just don't want to be the only guy with that opinion. I told #83 about it, but she thought they looked perfectly fine. I beg to differ.

Anyways, #83 and I had previous introductions with the mamasan upstairs when we all sat a drank together 2 days ago. Back then, she told me that she had seen me for the past 6 months, but was scared to approach me. That's a pretty funny feeling I get because it's true. When I walk into most bars including Baccara, not one girl even smiles at me. But when I call them over for a drink, they are always so happy and giggly. Another dancer upstairs who used to work Baccara Pattaya also came over to join us. We already knew each other before in Pattaya. If you are a frequent customer to both venues, you will know who she is. The girl who used to work Pattaya is probably one of the better looking dancer now upstairs at Baccara Soi Cowboy. Anyways I've already been with her in Pattaya, so I wanted something different. Unfortunately that night when sitting with #83, she accidentally mentioned that she just got her braces tightened that day. And when she asked me if I wanted to take her, I remembered and told her "then your mouth cannot blow job. " She giggled and said she didn't do that (BJ). I responded, "then I can't barfine you. " I told her I would wait until a few days until her mouth healed and then I would ONLY if she agreed to blow me. She giggled again and nod her head and said "okay. ".

So tonight was that night. After about 5 drinks for her and 1 for the waitress, I barfined her ST. I wanted to stay and enjoy the show a bit, so hence the drinks. She wanted to do LT and told me can stay until after lunch for 5000, but I wasn't interested, I had a flight to catch was my excuse. Even if I didn't have a flight to catch, I enjoy and like sleeping alone so it's still a no go for LT for me. I just wanted to clarify something I read in an earlier post by another member who took #23. Baccara barfine rate for ALL dancers and hostesses (wearing black dresses) is the same for upstairs and downstairs no matter if it is 7:30 pm or 2 am. Girls who work part time can come and go as they please, and owe the club a fee of 2 drinks per night before they can leave out with a customer. But those are usually the hotter girls that have all this freedom, not anyone left after 12:30 am. If it's that late, usually the quality is not there, but you can possibly negotiate a cheaper price for the girls left remaining.

So what I liked about #83 was she was a multiple cummer. And with each time, she became more wet and wet. She stayed 2 hours but we spent about 30 minutes just chatting before taking a bath where she performed a sloppy BBBJ. She is a screamer (Japanese style), though I told her I'm not Japanese, so she can stop pretending. Apparently her moans are real because she didn't. She can go at it for a long time and I think she truly enjoys sex with the right customer. After about 4 orgasms (her), I began to get tired and she was able to finish me with her mouth. She was able to sense I was about to cum and she jerked it off in the final few seconds. Dang! I should have played possum. Anyways, I paid 3000 plus 500 tip for her. When she left she saw the bed restraints. She only grinned, so perhaps she is willing next time. Throughout our conversation at the club and through some of her actions, I can tell this girl is a big game player. Meaning she will hustle the crap out of a customer that can't pick up on her cues (like kept asking me about my metal credit card) and you will get shitty service if any at all. So newbies be careful. For me she was fine with everything, but remember that whole "BJ" and braces thing in the beginning. That was a cue from her and you saw how I played back to get this better experience. I had to bring in the mamasan and the girl from Pattaya to help. So keep that in mind, though in the Land of a Million Smiles, maybe only 20% of them are genuine.

[Amnesia]

That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries.

Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?

So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.

1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.

2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.

3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.

4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.

[Gonzo88]

I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.

Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.

I was in there last night. I was actually talking to #39 and I wanted to grab her, but #84 from the other day was hovering around. In the end, I decided to do a repeat with #84 as she was a know commodity, but frankly, I wish I hadn't. She was on the rag, didn't tell me, and bled out all over my bed when I was banging her. Even aside from that, the novelty had sort of worn off, and I was not into the braces. Should have gone with #39. Doh!

[Goatscrot]

If the first pic girl works there, I see what you mean, she could obviously demand escort level prices, if her service is good. I never saw anyone quite that good there (some time ago). She may prefer not to work escort so that she can choose her customers, and not have to do exotic services. I would even forgive her sillies, as her nose looks okay And not fake probably.

I am in agreement that very special girls are worth more money than the average girls. No different to paying a huge amount for a pretty girl at The Lord (yes I know closed now). I don't get a cheap street girl because the quality is not there.

I'd say they are only worth it if they are performers as well. You are probably right; she works at a GoGo because she can provide less service than if she works as an escort. MP's report included a lot of things that he did to her, but not a lot of what she did to him. My guess is this gal sees herself above performing many services, which is why I would not be interested at any price. Now, if she were to perform like a Tulip or SW gal, I'd certainly be willing to pay the big bucks.

[Syzygies]

(By the way, when I write that I had paid a girl like #239 at Baccara a high amount like 8,000 for 3-4 hours or 10,000 LT or 15,000 for 24 hours, those are far few and only for a handful of girls, plus not all the time.

If the first pic girl works there, I see what you mean, she could obviously demand escort level prices, if her service is good. I never saw anyone quite that good there (some time ago). She may prefer not to work escort so that she can choose her customers, and not have to do exotic services. I would even forgive her sillies, as her nose looks okay And not fake probably.

I am in agreement that very special girls are worth more money than the average girls. No different to paying a huge amount for a pretty girl at The Lord (yes I know closed now). I don't get a cheap street girl because the quality is not there.

[ArisCasa]

That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries. They have to keep selling drinks. There is a very high turnover of bars in Nana simply because they go out of business. The fail to attract the right customers in sufficient numbers. Not enough customer buying drinks frequently enough. It is that simple.


It is simple though, for those who don't want to buy a lot of drinks and are no longer interested in the entertainment. Meet the girl secretly outside the bar, or leave the bar quickly having seen there is no girl of interest to Barfine. I have my bargirl contacts. We can meet elsewhere when she is not attending the bar. Watching bargirls dance gets boring pretty quickly, so I am only there briefly to find and meet any new talent, if any, for some bars. If I don't have a girl to maybe fuck found, then no point to stay there.

Completely agree. No bar in any big city anywhere in the world will survive for long if majority of their customers are One drink charlies. Specially if they are seated. That's why there are minimum table charges or compulsory bottle purchase if you ask for a table. Moreso in places like BKK where the entertainment staff, waiting and housekeeping staff costs are so high other than rents and establishment costs, if it becomes known that if you can hang around cpl of hours with a soda or a beer in hand and enjoy the visuals, you can count the days for the bar. All other arguments are illogical.

[Syzygies]

I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.

Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.

I believe 84 is one I also found to be hot, but not yet BFed. She was a little bit of a show off I think, knowing how hot she was. There is no need to buy drinks for mamasan, especially that fat one, it only encourages her to hang around. I personally make it clear to girls that she should use a different mamasan. There should be more than one. One was a gay boy one time I was there, rather loud but still preferred. I forget how many in total. I don't want to have anything to do with the fat mamasan but doesn't mean I have to stay away.

[Syzygies]

The fact that there might not be a market for Indians-only gogo bars in Thailand doesn't change that your typical gogo bar here even makes money with customers who only drink a single water. And that's what we were discussing; not the feasibility of completely different business models.

That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries. They have to keep selling drinks. There is a very high turnover of bars in Nana simply because they go out of business. The fail to attract the right customers in sufficient numbers. Not enough customer buying drinks frequently enough. It is that simple.

Sure the bar can tolerate the odd customer sitting on one drink, but they don't like it. They need bar to be nearly full and with enough customers making a big spend over 1000 baht.

The entertainment is only able to be free on the basis that you keep buying drinks. Otherwise the costs of the dancers and other staff outweighs the spend of single drink customers.

Really all of the bars are trying to attract big spend customers, and as many as possible.

Mercury bar was getting a lot of Indian customers as had few skinny girls. Wasn't going good at all despite a few Coyotes. They had to change approach and are now a LB bar.

In a busy bar a one drink customer is hurting profits, perhaps better than nothing in an empty bar but it is only 100 Baht. Doesn't pay anything much. Even a customer seen sitting on one drink could be viewed as potentially having a bad effect on any other customers, seeing that it can be tolerated.

It is simple though, for those who don't want to buy a lot of drinks and are no longer interested in the entertainment. Meet the girl secretly outside the bar, or leave the bar quickly having seen there is no girl of interest to Barfine. I have my bargirl contacts. We can meet elsewhere when she is not attending the bar. Watching bargirls dance gets boring pretty quickly, so I am only there briefly to find and meet any new talent, if any, for some bars. If I don't have a girl to maybe fuck found, then no point to stay there.

[Wimble]

Smoothy, it is an infinite loop of back or forth conversation that will never lead to the partitioning of person and cash.

If you believe that, open a gogo for strictly Indian customers. See how long you stay in business.

Nonsense. Even for a bottle of water their profit margin is big and you're just filling excess capacity.

I consider ordering one drink and milking that over 4 hours to be tantamount to ordering nothing. The staff notices which type of customers do that and it's those type of customers who get the bad rep. People can try to call it racism or discrimination for reasons other than monetary, but it is not. It's simply that those type of people are not making them money. If you owned a gogo where every guy in there was milking one drink all night, you would quickly go bankrupt. Who can blame them for not wanting that type of guy as a customer?

[Rodwint2]

Someone told me to try it. That it greatly enhances the sex. I read about it on the internet and wouldn't mind. I was told to ask a bar girl and she would bring it to your hotel. Is this a safe method?

Go straight to jail, do not pass go, spend your remaining years in Thailand's prison system.

[Amnesia]

If you believe that, open a gogo for strictly Indian customers. See how long you stay in business.

The fact that there might not be a market for Indians-only gogo bars in Thailand doesn't change that your typical gogo bar here even makes money with customers who only drink a single water. And that's what we were discussing; not the feasibility of completely different business models.

[GCNovice]

Hit Nana Plaza the other night at about 8:30. Way too early, but had a few beers as things geared up. Looked in a few places, Billboard was clearly the best for thin ladies. Saw #84 dancing on the merry-go-round. I smiled at her, she smiled back. When I saw she had braces, I thought I would keep looking, but before I knew it, the mamasan was bringing her over. She was really good looking, so I did not complain. Probably 22, great body, pretty face, only downside was braces and totally flat chested. I ended up buying her 3 LDs, one for the horrible fat ugly mamasan, and one for a nice waitress who was friendly and cool. Pulled #84 LT, BF was 1000 baht, LT was 5000. I could have haggled it down I think, because the bar looked pretty slow, but I could not be bothered and as I said, she was looking pretty fine.

I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.

Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.