Nairobi

[Jamjam222]

JamJam222 & Rwenotmen,

Thanks! So I can smoke in bars & restaurants with a balcony (including mongering spots). But could you please confirm that one is not allowed to smoke in the streets of Nairobi? And that the police hands out fines for this offence?

PS
Thanks for the link to the picture gallery. Some great images! This is the Casablanca Night Club & a sample of the talent.

Loso

If you smoke outdoors you are running a risk. I think that it is not allowed, and if so, the police if the spot you would certainly don't say no to an extra bonus from you ;)

So Casablanca still exists? A girl I spoke to this Christmas couldn't confirm this. She thought it was out of business.

If it is still open I would appreciate if someone could tell me a little about the place. Expensive? Better class chicks etc

I will be in Nairobi in late june/july if anyone fancies a beer

Jam Jam

[Loso69]

JamJam222 & Rwenotmen,

Thanks! So I can smoke in bars & restaurants with a balcony (including mongering spots). But could you please confirm that one is not allowed to smoke in the streets of Nairobi? And that the police hands out fines for this offence?

PS
Thanks for the link to the picture gallery. Some great images! This is the Casablanca Night Club & a sample of the talent.


Loso

[Hesekiels]

There certainly are wealthy Africans. Poor guy thought incorrectly that everyone is poor in Kenya, obviously not the case. The difference lies in the median income with greater numbers in Kenya NOT jumping into Mercs.

Interracial, that's certainly not wrong! But even a 'wealthy Kenyan girl' is not for free! For sure somehow or other we have to pay a certain price when we f**k her! Agreed?

Cheers


Hesekiels

[Member #4379]

There certainly are wealthy Africans. Poor guy thought incorrectly that everyone is poor in Kenya, obviously not the case. The difference lies in the median income with greater numbers in Kenya NOT jumping into Mercs.

[Enzo 2009]

Your experiences are relevant for the n00bs who don't know Kenya, or think that just because they're White or come from a developed country, all Kenyan women will fall into their laps.

For the rest of us, we already know the score.

None of my points are 'way off'. We all generalize, everyday, with every thing. People make a living out of generalizations, and world-affecting decisions are made on them.

I am not giving a discourse on the Sociology of Kenyan Women--I'm discussing mongering. And I don't feel that I am lumping all Kenyan women into one category. If it is misread that way, then I hereby set you straight-I am not.

What you're describing about rich girls is true about rich girls everywhere. The number of rich girls *in Kenya* getting 1000 USD per month from Daddy is probably equals to the number of rich girls getting 1000 USD per month from Daddy in {pick country of choice}. Point is, it's irrelevant to this discussion.

We're not talking about getting rich girls, we're talking about getting average girls.

You got strategies on getting rich girls? Start your own topic.

First I'd like to thank you for your interesting report. Such effort is to be encouraged.

I think Jerulez has a point however. Your views can be intepreted to apply to all Kenyan women. I think he has made some interesting points. I know for a fact that some of those 1000usd women work as secretaries and waiters by choice. However you have correctly pointed out if they play games then dump them. Good advice I would say. We don't really need rich women, unless they are our Mothers!

[Rwenotmen]

Your experiences are relevant for the n00bs who don't know Kenya, or think that just because they're White or come from a developed country, all Kenyan women will fall into their laps.

For the rest of us, we already know the score.

You got a few things on point. But some are way off.

None of my points are 'way off'. We all generalize, everyday, with every thing. People make a living out of generalizations, and world-affecting decisions are made on them.

First off all, you can't really generalize kenyan women and lump them into one category. Her mannerisms and expectations will always be reflective of her class and upbringing. If a girl is from a working class background (east nairobi), then she might not expect to be wined and dined.

I am not giving a discourse on the Sociology of Kenyan Women--I'm discussing mongering. And I don't feel that I am lumping all Kenyan women into one category. If it is misread that way, then I hereby set you straight-I am not.

What you're describing about rich girls is true about rich girls everywhere. The number of rich girls *in Kenya* getting 1000 USD per month from Daddy is probably equals to the number of rich girls getting 1000 USD per month from Daddy in {pick country of choice}. Point is, it's irrelevant to this discussion.

We're not talking about getting rich girls, we're talking about getting average girls.

You got strategies on getting rich girls? Start your own topic.

[Rwenotmen]

I just found out about the smoking ban in Kenya. You can't even smoke in the street in Nairobi? Is this ridiculous law enforced?

What's a chain smoker to do in Nairobi? Where can one still smoke?

PS

Why are smilies off in the Kenya forum? This smoking ban deserves a big, fat EEK!

Loso

I love the smoking regulations, so no problem for me.

There are a few restaurants and bars that have their own smoking room.

F2 has one. There is also a restaurant near F1 where you can smoke. Around the corner. They have a balcony.

I've seen other places too

You can smoke at almost any bar, hotel or restaurant that has outdoor seating. Simmers, Kengeles, Tamara, probably Stanley... Order a soda or beer to go with your habit, and you're golden.

[Hesekiels]

How to make end of relationschip after one day ..with money present or only goodbay .??I feel always bad if only goodbay. Pay for my freedom?

Willyboy:

my recent approach is quite simple: I take a girl for LT from, let's say, Madhouse and pay her in the morning 2000 KHS. No 'relationship' at all and no dinner! Just one or two drinks at Madhouse for the cuty, that's all. At the end of the day it is the very best deal, at least financially! And the next day I can take another one without having any obligation or feeling bad! Play and pay, that's ok! :)

IMHO, of course!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[Jamjam222]

I just found out about the smoking ban in Kenya. You can't even smoke in the street in Nairobi? Is this ridiculous law enforced?

What's a chain smoker to do in Nairobi? Where can one still smoke?

PS
Why are smilies off in the Kenya forum? This smoking ban deserves a big, fat EEK!

Loso

I love the smoking regulations, so no problem for me.

There are a few restaurants and bars that have their own smoking room.

F2 has one. There is also a restaurant near F1 where you can smoke. Around the corner. They have a balcony.

I've seen other places too

[Loso69]

I just found out about the smoking ban in Kenya. You can't even smoke in the street in Nairobi? Is this ridiculous law enforced?

What's a chain smoker to do in Nairobi? Where can one still smoke?

PS
Why are smilies off in the Kenya forum? This smoking ban deserves a big, fat EEK!

Loso

[Willyboy]

I totally agree!!! And one tiny little remark I would like to add: I tend to discourage all guys who intend to stay with one girl for longer than one day/night! If you even travel with her in Kenya it becomes quite costly! Believe you me, gentlemen, I made this mistake once!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

How to make end of relationschip after one day ..with money present or only goodbay .??I feel always bad if only goodbay. Pay for my freedom?

[Member #4379]

I agree with Hesekiels:

It's a business to them so if you stay with one she will milk you (pardon the pun if you're lucky) in more ways than one. If you can land an 18 year old and do the sex for school fees routine she could become a 'regular' but even that's tricky.

[Hesekiels]

- DO NOT spend money like a Westerner on ANY Kenyan lady. I don't care if she's lived in the West before, has a PhD, has a Chicago accent, and dresses and acts like a Westerner. You have been warned about this many times on these forums, so I'm also repeating this. No steak dinners, no wine bars, definitely NOT Carnivore, on the first date!

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I totally agree!!! And one tiny little remark I would like to add: I tend to discourage all guys who intend to stay with one girl for longer than one day/night! If you even travel with her in Kenya it becomes quite costly! Believe you me, gentlemen, I made this mistake once!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[Willyboy]

I was thinking about how the tourist-mongerer, with only limited time, could actually hook up with a Kenyan lady who : gasp: actually has to work everyday. As a working-stiff myself, I follow this approach and it has been working for me:

- Let's shape the scenario that you're in Nairobi (but all advice applies in towns and cities in Kenya), strolling around, on the monger-hunt. You see a lady you're interested in and you want to start the chase.

- First advice, the Golden Rule, at least in Kenya, it's been written many times before: you have to treat the average Kenyan lady as if she is or will be your girlfriend.

You just wanna fuck? Go to F2 or even Simmers. Otherwise, keep the philosophy GFE = Girl-friendly Experience. Even walaya are 'saved' on Sundays!

This applies to the ladies who work in offices, to the college students, to that (probable high-school drop-out) sweety who works in a little shop. Even simple shop girls are either educated or worldly enough to know about how Sex 'in' The City works, and even if they don't have a lot of personal experience in that area (and you will find many that are not, no matter how sexy they look), they are curious and often eager to experiment. So this means you have to be nice, flirt, tell her jokes get her to laugh. Show her your interest, and she will notice quickly.

- In general.

Ensure the lady is alone. You don't wanna have to subsidies her and her friends. Remember, you're a hunter, separate your prey from the pack!

It's easiest to meet a lady in the shop/office/etc than on the street, as this assures you that she's actually employeed and (hopefully) a non-pro. Plus, it gives her a comfort zone in which to talk with you.

Remember that she's actually working, so make your moves quickly and politely. Don't ask her for a date right there, especially if co-workers or boss is around. Don't co-opt her time from other customers, just wait to the side patiently, let her finish her work, then keep flirting. Your hanging round assures her that you are interested. If it is obvious she's not interested, just move on. I once had a girl start spouting religious nonsense, I quickly got outta there. As a hunter, you can't wait time!

- Next step, make up some excuse to get her mobile number--as quickly as possible. This way, you can start 'chatting her up' and hopefully soon making rendezvous. Two techniques I've used.

-- I was flirting with a worker in a restaurant, and she was definitely responding. I happen to notice they had those useless customer response surveys. I filled it out--with my mobile number!. And gave it directly to the lady, and told her to call me so I could discuss "other comments" I had about my dining experience. Now she didn't call me {more about that in the next item}, so next day I went to the restaurant, found her, told her that because she didn't call me, she had to give me her number so that I could call her. She did not hestitate in giving me her number, and a hook-up was completed in just a few days.

-- I was in a cybercafe and saw a real stunner. She wasn't working there but she was alone. I waited a bit then switched my station to sit next to her. After a minute, I said Hello, to her, and asked her if she could give me advice about pictures I had on Flickr of my home back in NYC. To a Kenyan: (Foreigner + Western home)=Jackpot. To us monger-hunters: (Stunner + pictures of home in the West)=Trap-Set-Captured. This meeting lead to a soda and some small talk, her number, and that Friday a nice at-home hook-up.

- Something important to remember about phone calls, be prepared to do most of the calling and texting. Kenyans/Africans are always trying to save money, so as the mzungu you have to initiate & make most calls. And get someone to explain to you what "flashing" means!

- Don't let the girl play games with you: If you call/SMS her and she doesn't pick up after 2 separate calls/texts, then dump her and move on to another lady. A girl not taking your call means she's shy, actually not interested, or she may be more of a pro than you expected. You don't have time for shyness or game-playing, so move on.

- Once you do reach her, plan a PUBLIC place rendezvous. This will allow both you and her to feel a bit safe, and to get to know each other a bit better.

Be prepared for her to be late--hey, this is Africa.

If she doesn't show up at all, say give her an hour, she is dumped.

- If she arrives with a friend or two or more, dump her: this is game-playing, or shyness, and we don't have time for this.

When you see her and her posse coming closer, jump up, greet her, and give this excuse: "Hi! Ohh, I'm so sorry I just got this call and am needed right away elsewhere. Can I call you to arrange another date? " If she asks for money anyway (and this will happen), refuse by giving some excuse, then leave.

Now you have a choice: call her later and arrange another meeting, but tell her to come alone; or don't call her at all, just proceed to the next monger-prey. Believe me brothers, there is more booty to be had elsewhere!

If she wants to go with you--meaning she doesn't want to lose a good thing!. Tell her you only have room for her! Then take her to your place, and make your moves.-game-playing works both ways, you know!

- DO NOT spend money like a Westerner on ANY Kenyan lady. I don't care if she's lived in the West before, has a PhD, has a Chicago accent, and dresses and acts like a Westerner. You have been warned about this many times on these forums, so I'm also repeating this. No steak dinners, no wine bars, definitely NOT Carnivore, on the first date!

Kenyan ladies, in general, do not appreciate the wine-&-dine approach to romance as we know it in the West, and if you meet one that expects that, run away. Fast.

Instead, meet in "simple" places for meals, coffee or drinks, or better let her pick a place but stress that you want to go where "normal" or "average" Kenyans go. There are plenty of great and fun places where the prices are just right, and you'll learn about new places in Nairobi/Kenya that you can then brag about later as getting the true Kenya non-tourist experience.

Side-note: stay aware and stay safe about your surroundings. Wherever you go, watch your belongings, put your wallet in your front pocket, don't flash your cash, don't take your eye off your drink or glass no matter how comfy you feel, don't go to an area where you have concern for safety. If you're worried, just ask her to choose another place. She'll be happy to, as she's probably not sure what kind of local places wazungu would like.

Remember, the ladies we're talking about here are your average-janes, non-pros, so you won't have to worry too much about a con or scam, but still you might draw a short straw so watch out.

- Finally, this first rendezvous, she must agree to meet you either at your place, or hers, for the next rendezvous--or she gets dumped.

This is another reason why you shouldn't spend a lot of money: you don't want to waste your time or money with a game-player.

At some stage in your conversations, suggest that she comes to your place. To see your pictures of home, or to watch an interesting movie, or to cook sphagetti for her. Or. To see her home, or to watch a movie at her place, or to teach her and her {insert relatives/friends/etc} how to play cards. Or whatever. Whatever the reason, that next meeting is going get her into bed--and she knows it!

If she agrees, you're in.-literally.

If she rejects, move on.

If she hesitates, push a little more but be prepared to move on.

There we are boys, Life of a Monger-Hunter. Discuss amongst ourselves.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

Not verget that girls from ...you meet not in florida or simmers ...cost 3 thimes more ,not in banknotes ,but in restaurants ,matrial thinks ,paying rent .Also you will give up this girls .One person write in this forum ...PUSSY IS NEVER FOR FREE .End girls from disco is very simple to send away after braekfust .Adder girls sucking your blod to the end.

[Jerulez]

I was thinking about how the tourist-mongerer, with only limited time, could actually hook up with a Kenyan lady who : gasp: actually has to work everyday. As a working-stiff myself, I follow this approach and it has been working for me:

- Let's shape the scenario that you're in Nairobi (but all advice applies in towns and cities in Kenya), strolling around, on the monger-hunt. You see a lady you're interested in and you want to start the chase.

- First advice, the Golden Rule, at least in Kenya, it's been written many times before: you have to treat the average Kenyan lady as if she is or will be your girlfriend.

You just wanna fuck? Go to F2 or even Simmers. Otherwise, keep the philosophy GFE = Girl-friendly Experience. Even walaya are 'saved' on Sundays!

This applies to the ladies who work in offices, to the college students, to that (probable high-school drop-out) sweety who works in a little shop. Even simple shop girls are either educated or worldly enough to know about how Sex 'in' The City works, and even if they don't have a lot of personal experience in that area (and you will find many that are not, no matter how sexy they look), they are curious and often eager to experiment. So this means you have to be nice, flirt, tell her jokes get her to laugh. Show her your interest, and she will notice quickly.

- In general.

Ensure the lady is alone. You don't wanna have to subsidies her and her friends. Remember, you're a hunter, separate your prey from the pack!

It's easiest to meet a lady in the shop/office/etc than on the street, as this assures you that she's actually employeed and (hopefully) a non-pro. Plus, it gives her a comfort zone in which to talk with you.

Remember that she's actually working, so make your moves quickly and politely. Don't ask her for a date right there, especially if co-workers or boss is around. Don't co-opt her time from other customers, just wait to the side patiently, let her finish her work, then keep flirting. Your hanging round assures her that you are interested. If it is obvious she's not interested, just move on. I once had a girl start spouting religious nonsense, I quickly got outta there. As a hunter, you can't wait time!

- Next step, make up some excuse to get her mobile number--as quickly as possible. This way, you can start 'chatting her up' and hopefully soon making rendezvous. Two techniques I've used.

-- I was flirting with a worker in a restaurant, and she was definitely responding. I happen to notice they had those useless customer response surveys. I filled it out--with my mobile number!. And gave it directly to the lady, and told her to call me so I could discuss "other comments" I had about my dining experience. Now she didn't call me {more about that in the next item}, so next day I went to the restaurant, found her, told her that because she didn't call me, she had to give me her number so that I could call her. She did not hestitate in giving me her number, and a hook-up was completed in just a few days.

-- I was in a cybercafe and saw a real stunner. She wasn't working there but she was alone. I waited a bit then switched my station to sit next to her. After a minute, I said Hello, to her, and asked her if she could give me advice about pictures I had on Flickr of my home back in NYC. To a Kenyan: (Foreigner + Western home)=Jackpot. To us monger-hunters: (Stunner + pictures of home in the West)=Trap-Set-Captured. This meeting lead to a soda and some small talk, her number, and that Friday a nice at-home hook-up.

- Something important to remember about phone calls, be prepared to do most of the calling and texting. Kenyans/Africans are always trying to save money, so as the mzungu you have to initiate & make most calls. And get someone to explain to you what "flashing" means!

- Don't let the girl play games with you: If you call/SMS her and she doesn't pick up after 2 separate calls/texts, then dump her and move on to another lady. A girl not taking your call means she's shy, actually not interested, or she may be more of a pro than you expected. You don't have time for shyness or game-playing, so move on.

- Once you do reach her, plan a PUBLIC place rendezvous. This will allow both you and her to feel a bit safe, and to get to know each other a bit better.

Be prepared for her to be late--hey, this is Africa.

If she doesn't show up at all, say give her an hour, she is dumped.

- If she arrives with a friend or two or more, dump her: this is game-playing, or shyness, and we don't have time for this.

When you see her and her posse coming closer, jump up, greet her, and give this excuse: "Hi! Ohh, I'm so sorry I just got this call and am needed right away elsewhere. Can I call you to arrange another date? " If she asks for money anyway (and this will happen), refuse by giving some excuse, then leave.

Now you have a choice: call her later and arrange another meeting, but tell her to come alone; or don't call her at all, just proceed to the next monger-prey. Believe me brothers, there is more booty to be had elsewhere!

If she wants to go with you--meaning she doesn't want to lose a good thing!. Tell her you only have room for her! Then take her to your place, and make your moves.-game-playing works both ways, you know!

- DO NOT spend money like a Westerner on ANY Kenyan lady. I don't care if she's lived in the West before, has a PhD, has a Chicago accent, and dresses and acts like a Westerner. You have been warned about this many times on these forums, so I'm also repeating this. No steak dinners, no wine bars, definitely NOT Carnivore, on the first date!

Kenyan ladies, in general, do not appreciate the wine-&-dine approach to romance as we know it in the West, and if you meet one that expects that, run away. Fast.

Instead, meet in "simple" places for meals, coffee or drinks, or better let her pick a place but stress that you want to go where "normal" or "average" Kenyans go. There are plenty of great and fun places where the prices are just right, and you'll learn about new places in Nairobi/Kenya that you can then brag about later as getting the true Kenya non-tourist experience.

Side-note: stay aware and stay safe about your surroundings. Wherever you go, watch your belongings, put your wallet in your front pocket, don't flash your cash, don't take your eye off your drink or glass no matter how comfy you feel, don't go to an area where you have concern for safety. If you're worried, just ask her to choose another place. She'll be happy to, as she's probably not sure what kind of local places wazungu would like.

Remember, the ladies we're talking about here are your average-janes, non-pros, so you won't have to worry too much about a con or scam, but still you might draw a short straw so watch out.

- Finally, this first rendezvous, she must agree to meet you either at your place, or hers, for the next rendezvous--or she gets dumped.

This is another reason why you shouldn't spend a lot of money: you don't want to waste your time or money with a game-player.

At some stage in your conversations, suggest that she comes to your place. To see your pictures of home, or to watch an interesting movie, or to cook sphagetti for her. Or. To see her home, or to watch a movie at her place, or to teach her and her {insert relatives/friends/etc} how to play cards. Or whatever. Whatever the reason, that next meeting is going get her into bed--and she knows it!

If she agrees, you're in.-literally.

If she rejects, move on.

If she hesitates, push a little more but be prepared to move on.

There we are boys, Life of a Monger-Hunter. Discuss amongst ourselves.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

You got a few things on point. But some are way off

First off all, you can't really generalize kenyan women and lump them into one category. Her mannerisms and expectations will always be reflective of her class and upbringing. If a girl is from a working class background (east nairobi), then she might not expect to be wined and dined.

But then again of she's from an affluent background (west/north nairobi), expect to pay through the nose. Remember houses in kileleshwa, ridgeways, spring valley, muthaiga etc go for well in excess of $250K. And its black kenyans who live here. And a girl from here is likely to be educated in an expensive private school. I've dated girls like these and many times if you don't have a car and a nice job, you'll be discarded like yesterdays newspaper. Infact many times, they may have more money than you. I know kenyan girls who get like $1000+ per month from their rich daddies. So your chump change isn't going to dazzle them.

Don't believe me? Go hunting in these clubs: pavement, club mercury, tamambo, bar code (all in westlands) and then come back and do a report. Last summer I was in kenya with a pal of mine from the UK. We were at pavement and he was telling this girl how he was a big deal back home (he thought it would be the typical poor african girl falls for rich westerner scenario). She smiled but walked away. We came out at the same time and whaddaya know? She steps into the driver's side of a sleek Merc CL500. The look on my boy's face. PRICELESS! LOL