Nairobi

[Bond69X]

Honestly I wasn't there in a mongering status. So, indeed, logistic, prices, infrastructure were the judging factors.

Having more experience in Thailand I don't see the reason to spend nearly same as in a western country for an accomodation that in Thailand would cost 20/40% - and thIs applies all along other issues.

Food choice is limited and as soon as you venture in something more appropriate prices go up.

Fact is that you pay premium prices and people has third world salaries.

I fully agree that in terms of food as soon as you go into normal or european standard, prices get crazy.

A dinner for 2 in Italian restaurant with a basic bottle of wine cost me 80 usd, in Bamburi (for those who know Yul's restaurant).

Same for hotels, prices are too high for what you get.

However, chicas for all night cost you less than 3 or 4 whiskys.

This is amazing!

[Member #4563]

What will be the percentage in Thailand or South America?

Me I don't like blow job bars and discos.

I am qualified to answer as I live in Thailand and been traveling from city to city looking for Non-Pro. Your chance is Zero. Let me repeat as my English is not perfect, your chance to date a 22 years old from a Mall, shop etc and have a dinner assuming your age is past 35 years is zero. If you are 25 or even 30 then you will get a nice GF.

One more trivial thing that we tend to forget. No one speak a word in English out of the tourist path. Girls can't talk with you even if they want to. So you need to be super handsome and below 30 to enjoy life. So what is left is to get Pros or super ugly and short girls with children in from provinces as your date. And even this is hard.

[SceticoBlu]

Having more experience in Thailand I don't see the reason to spend nearly same as in a western country for an accomodation that in Thailand would cost 20/40% - and thIs applies all along other issues.

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I have a 3* Hotel in Nairobi for 5 K and a better accomodation in Mombasa for even less.

My point is that in Kenya with some flirting and shillings the girls from shops and restaurants I get naked after at most the second dinner is around 50 percent. In my country it is about 2 percent.

What will be the percentage in Thailand or South America?

Me I don't like blow job bars and discos.

[BionicMan]

If the criteria is availability of girls from every day life (some use the term semipro) for a reasonable price my guess is that there is hardly a better place than Kenya or more general than Africa.

Maybe you were talking of infrastructure, logistics etc.

Honestly I wasn't there in a mongering status. So, indeed, logistic, prices, infrastructure were the judging factors.

Having more experience in Thailand I don't see the reason to spend nearly same as in a western country for an accomodation that in Thailand would cost 20/40% - and thIs applies all along other issues.

Food choice is limited and as soon as you venture in something more appropriate prices go up.

Fact is that you pay premium prices and people has third world salaries.

[Naked Gunz]

Oh. So you had a real drama queen. Of course. If the ATM threatens to walk off. Some chicas can get quite nasty. It can turn really ugly. At Naked. Just take a cooling off period from Kenya. ...

Ugly is an understatement. Yeah, going to pivot my focus back to the Philippines, with a splash of Thailand, and South America.

[Neddy69]

That's usually the reason, along with the threat of being robbed, either directly with a gun, or some chic setting you up. My so-called "girlfriend" of one year, upon seeing me ready to walk out the door, hid my wallet and my passport. I had to call security. She handed back the passport, but swore up and down she did not have the wallet. She then talked shit about me for an half hour to them about me. When she walked to a back room, the security guard walked over to her hiding spot and handed me the wallet, and said don't say anything. After I had my shit, I played along that I would just do without the wallet. I had the security drive me to a hotel for the night, and I would leave the country the next day because this chic's dad is a low-level MP, although he has so many kids he really don't give much of a shit about her. Later the guard said she kept glancing at the hiding spot so much that it tipped him off. I gave the security each 1000, but the motherfuckers at the home base wanted something too apparently because she bribed them to tell her where I was.

She came to the hotel to start more shit. Lucky for me that the hotel security had a real cop working there too. He read her the Riot act and sent her on her way apologizing for the drama. Of course that cost me more shillings. I have been getting Whatsapp and FB message and emails from friends professing her love for me and how I should come back. She did some more vile shit that night I won't go into, however, take it from me, don't trust these chics, and I am being nice by using "chics", as ISG don't allow certain words. I'm only unburdening myself to help others here.

Oh. So you had a real drama queen. Of course. If the ATM threatens to walk off. Some chicas can get quite nasty. But to be fair that doesn't apply to Kenya only. I had a real drama queen in Gambia too. Here helps only to disappear in the dead of the night. A friend of mine sneaked once out of the back window to escape. It can turn really ugly. I have lots of stories to tell from kenyan expats as well as some stories I experienced on my own. If you want to know what's to be expected just watch some nigerian movies. At Naked. Just take a cooling off period from Kenya. Sooner or later you will be drawn back to the place. Last trip to Kenya went without a hitch. But I moved all the time. In Mtwapa I had a sweet student for 3 weeks. I managed to get her out of my room with a trick. Than I sneaked away.

Neddy.
Cunning Lying Cheating my way through Africa hehe
@ madaexpert. Spot on. Keep them totally in the dark. And if necessary lie. Oh baby my mother is dying I hv to fly back to the US...

[Member #4563]

take it from me, don't trust these chics..

Every girl in Kenya is a potential enemy. From a "loving" person they can transform instantly to a monster. I don't have the psychological tools to analyze this but that what happens in reality. I always record the conversations, keep whatapp history etc. When they turned against you its like you see the devil.

So trust is zero, authorization and access should be restricted. Don't forget to lie about everything and hide your true identity or they can hunt you down. This is true for Mombasa but not sure about rest of Kenya. Most of the time thinks are OK as long you keep them in the dark as much as possible. Level.

Pattaya has also scammers that operates on the emotional level they exploit human weakness and make you fall in love then drain your money. So this is why guys keep sending money to girls as their emotion are manipulated. Two girls tried but my emotions are long gone so nothing to play with.

In Mombasa is a brutal war at a very low and violent level. If you try to develop any relationship in Kenya just say bye to your money or even your life. Thats one of the reasons I left to a more secure country.

[Triple Darknes]

That's usually the reason, along with the threat of being robbed, either directly with a gun, or some chic setting you up. My so-called "girlfriend" of one year, upon seeing me ready to walk out the door, hid my wallet and my passport. I had to call security. She handed back the passport, but swore up and down she did not have the wallet. She then talked shit about me for an half hour to them about me. When she walked to a back room, the security guard walked over to her hiding spot and handed me the wallet, and said don't say anything. After I had my shit, I played along that I would just do without the wallet. I had the security drive me to a hotel for the night, and I would leave the country the next day because this chic's dad is a low-level MP, although he has so many kids he really don't give much of a shit about her. Later the guard said she kept glancing at the hiding spot so much that it tipped him off. I gave the security each 1000, but the motherfuckers at the home base wanted something too apparently because she bribed them to tell her where I was.

Hey Gunz,

You're helping me. You're taking the rose colored lenses off for me.

[Triple Darknes]

Exactly. Don't go into relationsship with kenyan chics. Been there done that. Stick to pay as you go. Nothing to do with hooker or non hooker. Kenyan chicas are the greatest opportunists and can and will fleece you out of your last penny. If you let them. Either by sweet talk or outright robbery. Some will not shy away from outright contract kills. If there is assets. A british consular Officer summed it up to me that way. The safest way to live is. Keep a low profile. Most chicas will cheat as the kenyan guys do. Pay or no pay. Its in the genes. But I still Love Kenya and the kenyan chics. Just don't get involved. Their Interpretation of love is cash. As long as cash flows they love you. And that can apply to more than one person. Lying stealing cheating. I have a ruandan GF I send kidogo pesa to her. She is grateful and humble and studies hard. It seems to me that Ruanda and Uganda are better. But who can tell. At Naked. Don't run away from Kenya. I had some down days in Kenya. But. I miss it. And to fall in love is human. In my opinion a relationship in Kenya is down to constant cost control. And cunning. Dont expect faithfulness in return. But hey. Its quite normal to have a shamba girl or 2 on the side. In Uganda they call it Side Dish.

Neddy.

Right now in Disneyland.

The funny thing was another Kenyan girl warned me about Kenyan girls (she also wants to "date" me) Kinda torn on Kenya in general, I like the place and the chicks are friendly. I can't tell but there also seemed to be a little brotherhood for the brothers going on. So I have had people kinda tell me the deal. While meeting a street pick up downtown (that flaked) the uber dude explained that even he had met his girl friend in Brew Bistro and chicks professionals with jobs or not are all essentially play for play.

That being said I don't want to do battle with working girls all day to pay reasonable prices, I'm older I don't take pills but either I blow quick or it takes me forever so I have to tell girls be prepared to fuck most of the night for LT.

Except in certain situations in certain cities the concept of LT isn't really reality in the US, when you say "all night" to an american working girl they think 1 hour instead of 15 minutes.

[Naked Gunz]

Maybe you were talking of infrastructure, logistics etc.

That's usually the reason, along with the threat of being robbed, either directly with a gun, or some chic setting you up. My so-called "girlfriend" of one year, upon seeing me ready to walk out the door, hid my wallet and my passport. I had to call security. She handed back the passport, but swore up and down she did not have the wallet. She then talked shit about me for an half hour to them about me. When she walked to a back room, the security guard walked over to her hiding spot and handed me the wallet, and said don't say anything. After I had my shit, I played along that I would just do without the wallet. I had the security drive me to a hotel for the night, and I would leave the country the next day because this chic's dad is a low-level MP, although he has so many kids he really don't give much of a shit about her. Later the guard said she kept glancing at the hiding spot so much that it tipped him off. I gave the security each 1000, but the motherfuckers at the home base wanted something too apparently because she bribed them to tell her where I was.

She came to the hotel to start more shit. Lucky for me that the hotel security had a real cop working there too. He read her the Riot act and sent her on her way apologizing for the drama. Of course that cost me more shillings. I have been getting Whatsapp and FB message and emails from friends professing her love for me and how I should come back. She did some more vile shit that night I won't go into, however, take it from me, don't trust these chics, and I am being nice by using "chics", as ISG don't allow certain words. I'm only unburdening myself to help others here.

[SceticoBlu]

I would never live there and I can't understand the holidays at the coast there. There are far better options in the world.

If the criteria is availability of girls from every day life (some use the term semipro) for a reasonable price my guess is that there is hardly a better place than Kenya or more general than Africa.

Maybe you were talking of infrastructure, logistics etc.

[BionicMan]

First time in Kenya was 2005, too green to judge the place, but I fucking hated it except the pussy.

Did not return until 2012, and have returned like 15 x since then. The traffic has gotten worse since Japan is dumping all their used cars in Kenya (5000/ month unloaded in Mombasa), the roads are shit, and I love to drive-fast! I still don't get buying Mercedes, Porsche, Land Rover and driving in Nairobi. Bad food, bad service, especially from women. Kenyans speak English, but many are afraid to speak it in business situations. Expensive shitty real estate with cookie cutter design from years ago. Watching Kenya not take pride in renewing their own fucking country and paying China to do it is also a major turn off for me.

Dude I could write for another hour on this. I'm sure I will get some push back or agreement on my take, but the shine has simply worn off the coin for me. Too many negatives to overcome that I ignored before. That's why its best to be in a place for awhile before you go "all in". I will return for some African action again, but I got to get off my ass with my Spanish and go South. Latin American (Colombian) women put the rest of the world to shame.

Have been to Kenya a few times, including a dreadful holiday in malindi (wrong time of the year). Never mongered there and not planning to. Don't trust P4 P girls there. I agree on all what you say about the country.

The Chinese mater is purely advantage for the Chinese to get access to local resources.

I would never live there and I can't understand the holidays at the coast there. There are far better options in the world.

[WiseHustler]

People please tread with extreme caution with this girl. Modus Operandi: Love bombing on phone. Take her out to a couple of very expensive dates. When the the-day comes she will either create a scene at your place OR pretend she is extremely I'll by acting (fake throw up etc.). I see her a Narcissist / BPD only to rip you off your money. Often goes by the name Rose / Rosie / Rosanna (she is there on Tinder as well).

Peace out!

[Naked Gunz]

What did you experience that has made you determine that you cannot live in Kenya? I assume you mean for retirement?

Sorry mate, I see you inquired specifically about Naks. Well, Naks is supposedly much better than it used to be. However, for a Westerner living with a chic, its quite boring. Only one big club, called (7 D). Hard to tell talent from non-pro in there. Only one mall, and it has nothing. Tried to drive to some freaking crater tourist site just to have something to do on a lovely Sat. , and that turned to shit as we got lost in back roads. Simple shopping in various stores results in nothing but stares at the Black-American.

We lived in Page apartments for all of one week before a cop killed his GF and then himself while we we getting drunk and watching a movie on laptop: https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Police...grz/index.html. Another cop gave me the low down, but I forgot it. I think he was paying for the chic he killed, but she had somebody else come by the night before the kill. Anyway two people are dead. He spared a very young boy that was in the room. There was blood everywhere. There was no fast response, no crime scene. I think they dragged the bodies to the truck over the ground! That should have been enough warning to Gunz that you aint safe in this country, but NO! Little head thinks for me at times. Let me tell you, an AK-47 is freaking loud! Gave the chic PTSD I think! Moved from there to Milimani apartments, the most upscale place in the city, and then I started having problems with the chic. Long story short, am done with serious consideration of Kenya.

If you want a monger point of view of Nakuru ask Neddy, I think he left a report. He seems fearless, look up his post.

[Naked Gunz]

What did you experience that has made you determine that you cannot live in Kenya? I assume you mean for retirement?

First time in Kenya was 2005, too green to judge the place, but I fucking hated it except the pussy.

Did not return until 2012, and have returned like 15 x since then. The traffic has gotten worse since Japan is dumping all their used cars in Kenya (5000/ month unloaded in Mombasa), the roads are shit, and I love to drive-fast! I still don't get buying Mercedes, Porsche, Land Rover and driving in Nairobi. Bad food, bad service, especially from women. Kenyans speak English, but many are afraid to speak it in business situations. Expensive shitty real estate with cookie cutter design from years ago. Watching Kenya not take pride in renewing their own fucking country and paying China to do it is also a major turn off for me.

Dude I could write for another hour on this. I'm sure I will get some push back or agreement on my take, but the shine has simply worn off the coin for me. Too many negatives to overcome that I ignored before. That's why its best to be in a place for awhile before you go "all in". I will return for some African action again, but I got to get off my ass with my Spanish and go South. Latin American (Colombian) women put the rest of the world to shame.