Nairobi

[AttilaTheHun]

I lived the last two years dead center in Luhya country. Kenyans know a person's tribe by their names. They all think they can tell which tribe people are from by their actions and appearance but they are often wrong. I can't tell the difference between Luo (Kisumu) Kalenjin (Eldoret), Kikuyu, Luhya, Embu, Meru or even Maasai if they are not in traditional clothing. I don't know if the person is from Uganda, Congo or Tanzania either by their appearance. Bantu look the same and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. There are some tribes in the north and in the east who are distinguishable as well as South Sudanese refugees who are 6-1/2 ft tall and thin. All you need to know is if a Kenyan is talking, they're telling you a lie. And asking for money. If you want a relationship, go to Uganda or even Tanzania.

What made you move to Luhya country and how was your experience living there. Prices must be way less including pussy. Are you living in Kakamega? I'm thinking about giving it a try. Not always, but more often than not I can tell a Luhya from a Luo. They have slightly different curves and personalizes. Also, Luo girls are often more confident and self-assured. That's my limited experience.

[World Jockey]

I lived the last two years dead center in Luhya country. Kenyans know a person's tribe by their names. They all think they can tell which tribe people are from by their actions and appearance but they are often wrong. I can't tell the difference between Luo (Kisumu) Kalenjin (Eldoret), Kikuyu, Luhya, Embu, Meru or even Maasai if they are not in traditional clothing. I don't know if the person is from Uganda, Congo or Tanzania either by their appearance. Bantu look the same and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. There are some tribes in the north and in the east who are distinguishable as well as South Sudanese refugees who are 6-1/2 ft tall and thin. All you need to know is if a Kenyan is talking, they're telling you a lie. And asking for money. If you want a relationship, go to Uganda or even Tanzania.

Yup. Ethiopians, somali and south sudanese look different. Outside of that I can't tell. The locals say they can I just take their word for it.

Hi mongers, below is a report for Nairobi, and all activities are around first week of October 2023.

I have separated the narrative into sections, detailing what where and price as best as I remember.

Great report on massage spots in NBO. I have never visited any because lets face it. Girls in NBO are very willing to drop panties. I may check some of these spots out tho. Sometimes one doesn't want to do the song and dance.

[LynnMan]

This is a Paybill number. That means it's used to pay bills with mPesa. You can use World remit only to transfer money to a mobile phone number. NOT a Paybill number. So it is NOT possible to pay your train ticket with World Remit. In order to pay a Kenya railways Ticket you need a valid mPesa mobile money account. Easiest is after you arrive in Yomo Kenyatta take a Bolt to the train station. First class is almost never full. Pay cash.

Mwalimu.

Here's my. 02 contribution. I have Mpesa app on my phone. I have eSim on my phone, with Safaricom, Airtel and my local USA numbers on the Esim platform. I'm able to transact from the Mpesa App on wifi anywhere. Every few months I turn 'ON' the Safaricom line via e-sim and buy some airtime to keep the line open. I have done this for about 2 years. To be clear the initial Mpesa activation was at a Safaricom shop when they activated my e-sim. Another thing with the train is that you have to submit a form of ID either local Kenyan ID card or passport when buying the ticket in person, and when boarding the train.

[LynnMan]

Hi mongers, below is a report for Nairobi, and all activities are around first week of October 2023.

I have separated the narrative into sections, detailing what where and price as best as I remember.

Using info from this site, I set out to look for massage within CBD and vicinity, with saving time being most important on my list. First, I checked the massage place at at Dev towers (Not sure of the Spa name, there was La Celeb and Jephers) but it's the one on 6th floor. Location is 21 Biashara street, and it's a 6 level building with brick exterior, it spans Biashara street and Tubman roads.

In the past they had 4 massage businesses in that building, but lately the only that I know is the one on 6th floor. The lift never works, so it's quite a work-out climbing the stairs to 6th floor. When I went there, the selection was 7 ladies looks about 6-8 and you pick the girl that you want. Massage only is 3 k and then the extra depends on what you negotiate with the girl. Extra is CBJ, HJ, full service. I opted for massage and full service and total was 5 k. I don't remember the names of the girls, but in any case they change the names that they give to clients. They accept both cash or Mpesa with Paybill number. Overall service was okay, a 7 out of 10.

Crystal Spa: It's located a few buildings down Biashara street from Dev towers (Market Mansion, a white building at 33 Biashara street) Massage place is on 4th floor, and to be clear there are other beauty and spas in the bulding, some are open door with female customers, and they did not advertise massage (I assume these are salons etc). At Crystal, there is a madam at reception and a locked door behind her. I was brought the line up, 8 girls in total. I chose Kiki, slim girl, and I made sure to note the color of her dress, and shape / size making it easier for their madam to call for you the right girl. She did great massage; full service was about okay and overall experience was 8 out of 10 for me. Damage was 4. 5 K paid via Mpesa, and I tipped her 500. Interesting fact, they have a pay-bill number and have posted warnings in the room not to give ask the girls for their numbers, and for you as the customer not to be harassed by the girls to give them your number. In the same building there is a massage parlour called " Pals Lounge" I did not try it, but they have a placard on the front of the building.

Pucolin Spa: It's in Westlands, at 15 Westlands road. It's in a residential 4 floor courtyard building, next to Nairobi Technical institute and opposite the gate for Graffins college. This was by far my best experience. There is a placard at the gate for the spa, with a phone number written. There is a security guard at the gate, but he did not ask any questions, and if coming by Uber, they can drive into the compound and drop you off in the courtyard. The Spa is inside the first building on your left from the gate, and there is a placard at the entry. The madam came and explained that massage was 3. 5 K, extras are up to you to negotiate with the girl. Again, the lineup was sent in of 8 women in total looks about 5-8. Cuter and more relaxed than those at CBD spas. I picked ' Sharon ' she was the youngest looking and seemed to have a nice attitude. She came in and asked what I wanted. I replied full service, she quoted 2. 5 K, bargained down to 2 K. She said that she mostly gets asked to do HJ and covered BJ. She said she is 21 years old, and that could be true, perk up tits, narrow waist, flat tummy, body is tight, no kids and she got down to work. Massage was like 45 minutes, followed by FS. I ended up giving her the extra 500 anyway. I paid cash there, not sure if they take Mpesa, you can ask. It's an older residential flat, with ensuite bedrooms (4) well maintained. In the same building across the door was another Massage spa (Nokay Parlour) but I never tried them.

City Spa: Located at Jubilee House, on Muindi Mbingu street, opposite Jenanjee park. Its next to " House of Leather" and it's a red building, you walk up one level. Place is quite run down, and the madam is a hustler. She came into the room and said she will choose a girl for me. I insisted that I want to see the line up and pick one myself, she asked why I didn't trust her choice, and I said send them in and I pick. A total of 8 girls showed up, and I picked one " Aisha" who had a coast accent. The madam came back and said that she was unavailable because she was waiting for a client. I was sent another girl, I don't remember her name, slim and light skinned. Madam had stated clearly that 3. 5 K was the house fee for massage, extra you negotiate with the girl. This light skinned girl quoted 7 K. I asked for what, she said "any extra". At this point I asked her what about the house fee, she said that was separate. I said no way, and she was willing to come down to 4 K for herself plus house fee. At this point I left the room and went to reception and told madam I was going to leave. The light skinned girl came to reception too, and then said she can come do the massage for reduced 3 K only, then extra I get another girl. I refused because I don't see how once the massage is done, and I'm hard, then another girl is going to come in and we negotiate. My gut feeling was that this girl was not really into full service, and di not care for the extra money, or maybe some beef with the madam, or house etc. At this point the girl from coast was called in, and she agreed.

To do massage and extra total fee 6 K. Although I did not hear explicitly at the beginning, the only problem was she did not commit to sex at the beginning, but she guaranteed satisfaction, and in Swahili gave the impression that she was good for the job. No more talk of she was waiting for another client. Her looks were about 8 out of 10, attitude a 9. Once she undressed, I would give her mid to upper 20's, well maintained body. Her massage was 8 out of 10, with lots of body rubbing, naked and hit all the right areas. Then the surprise came when I said that I was satisfied with the massage. She did not get a rubber as I'm used to. She rubbed my balls with her hands a bit, then started doing a BBBJ. I asked her what was going on, and she said that its how she was going to satisfy me. Not sure the reason not to have sex, she did not explain. As it happens the BJ got me popping pretty soon. She agreed to be paid via Mpesa, and she told me that now since I have her number I can 'book' her next time I'm coming to the place. Her name for Mpesa is not what she had given at the intro, but that is common. She insisted she was the only coastarian at the Spa, and anyone coming should ask for her. My take of the place was poorly maintained spa, terms not clear at all, double-speak etc. From what I could tell girls do give clients numbers and either get booked or maybe service outside? For context I'm black male, was born and raised in Kenya, fluent in Swahili, some sheng, and I use Swahili in all these transactions, so quite unlikely that they were trying to take advantage of a tourist / naive guy.

On a side note, I have heard the phrase action at ' Kabarnet Gardens' by locals on social media etc. Can someone with experience point out any spas or parlours in that area? On Google maps there is Kabarnet road, off Ngong road, and there are some businesses advertising massage amongst beauty etc. In Nairobi my sense is that whether full body massage plus extras are offered, is a discretion of the business, and mongers know or point out where to look.

[Slowalk]

How do you identify the ones who are Luhya? Do you just ask girls until you stumble across one, or is there an easier way? I can't differentiate Kenyan girls by tribe just by looking at them.

I lived the last two years dead center in Luhya country. Kenyans know a person's tribe by their names. They all think they can tell which tribe people are from by their actions and appearance but they are often wrong. I can't tell the difference between Luo (Kisumu) Kalenjin (Eldoret), Kikuyu, Luhya, Embu, Meru or even Maasai if they are not in traditional clothing. I don't know if the person is from Uganda, Congo or Tanzania either by their appearance. Bantu look the same and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. There are some tribes in the north and in the east who are distinguishable as well as South Sudanese refugees who are 6-1/2 ft tall and thin. All you need to know is if a Kenyan is talking, they're telling you a lie. And asking for money. If you want a relationship, go to Uganda or even Tanzania.

[Neddy69]

How do you identify the ones who are Luhya? Do you just ask girls until you stumble across one, or is there an easier way? I can't differentiate Kenyan girls by tribe just by looking at them.

Don't over complicate things here. Just ask. I make it a sports though to guess. I can nail Ethiopians or Somalis quite easy. As one of my 10 commandments is no close relationship it's a non issue. On coast you find usually all tribes as many are looking for "work". Most don't find work so they sell pussy. I like kenyan tourist pussy though. More affluent people come from Nairobi. Since the Madaraka express a lot of people come just for the weekend as coast is still cheaper. I collect tribes and subtribes. I sampled most tribes. There's a lot of mixes too. I had a Turkana / Digo mix. Generally there's more conservative tribes like Kikuyu or Kambas. The loosest are Luo and Luhya where polygamy is the norm. So fucking around is perfectly normal.

Mwalimu.

[Mombie75]

How do you identify the ones who are Luhya? Do you just ask girls until you stumble across one, or is there an easier way? I can't differentiate Kenyan girls by tribe just by looking at them.

I have been in Kenya 20 years. You can get an idea from looks and demeanor but it is not failsafe and as Kenyans always lie. If you know some sentences / dialect from language then you can know for sure. Ie some pronounce an are as an l. Heavy boned, probably a luo)) slim and darker move up to northern tribes. I know some Kamba so can usually nail them easily.

Comes down to experience and if you have an interest in picking up local bits of culture.

[World Jockey]

How do you identify the ones who are Luhya? Do you just ask girls until you stumble across one, or is there an easier way? I can't differentiate Kenyan girls by tribe just by looking at them.

I find it hard to tell the difference too. They can tell tho. All the girls tend to have huge forheads but IMHO Kikuyus suffer from this the most.

If you know the last name Luo last names typically start with "O" for example Obama, Odinga.

[Radical Guy]

I never go over 2 K, and most of the time it's 1500 KES. That includes public transportation, I don't pay for car service, only sometimes when it rains, and she is in the rotation and if I like her enough to do something together. Such as the last time when we went together to the elephant orphanage. I don't get it, but some of my girls didn't have umbrellas, and they were worried that if heir head becomes wet they get sick. Therefore, they didn't take public transportation, so I just let them use a car service. I ended up buying them umbrellas, and now they are using them. I only have Luhya girls, I find them the most humble girls. The most financially humble girls, I should say. Didn't have good experience with Luo girls, I find them suffering from superiority complex or some form of feminist thinking. I also like to take my Luhya girls for a kuku and chips sometimes or white coffee, samosa etc. After, so that adds up another 1 k. I don't care about "high class" girls, I avoid them like a plaque. I did it once, and she was worse than a white feminist *.

How do you identify the ones who are Luhya? Do you just ask girls until you stumble across one, or is there an easier way? I can't differentiate Kenyan girls by tribe just by looking at them.

[World Jockey]

I never go over 2 K, and most of the time it's 1500 KES. That includes public transportation, ...... I don't care about "high class" girls, I avoid them like a plaque. I did it once, and she was worse than a white feminist *.

I think that's about right especially if this is a repeat girl. I will only pay for transport if I don't want to wait a million years for her to arrive. Those matatus are hit or miss. She will start to get 1000 kes flat. As for those "high class" creatures of brew bistro they can stay right where they are. I don't know about you fellas but as a gen x coming from the west I find it very easy to find women in nbo. If one doesn't want to play ball there are a million behind them. They know it too. The only time I will go slightly above is if I come across a girl that's exactly my type. And still no more than like 3 k. I know girls who have wazungus sending them 100 usd+ from overseas. I have seen the transfers. Just ridiculous.

[AttilaTheHun]

Girls with a steady income stream will always go for the kill with silly money demands hoping they have hooked an idiot who will pay it. I have never heard $1000 asked for but have had a few at $2-300. I do not even bother responding to such stupidity.

I think the most I have ever paid any girl in Kenya is 5 k, that is for 1-2 hours as I never do longer. I usually pay 2-3 k.

Never bother with the dinner thing either.

I never go over 2 K, and most of the time it's 1500 KES. That includes public transportation, I don't pay for car service, only sometimes when it rains, and she is in the rotation and if I like her enough to do something together. Such as the last time when we went together to the elephant orphanage. I don't get it, but some of my girls didn't have umbrellas, and they were worried that if heir head becomes wet they get sick. Therefore, they didn't take public transportation, so I just let them use a car service. I ended up buying them umbrellas, and now they are using them. I only have Luhya girls, I find them the most humble girls. The most financially humble girls, I should say. Didn't have good experience with Luo girls, I find them suffering from superiority complex or some form of feminist thinking. I also like to take my Luhya girls for a kuku and chips sometimes or white coffee, samosa etc. After, so that adds up another 1 k. I don't care about "high class" girls, I avoid them like a plaque. I did it once, and she was worse than a white feminist *.

[Slowalk]

Another vote for world remit. Easy breezy.

I use Wise first, World Remit and Remitly as back ups in Kenya.

[World Jockey]

Please, advise, how to pay MPESA from Germany, not having Kenyan phone number.

Another vote for world remit. Easy breezy.

[Slowalk]

Please, advise, how to pay MPESA from Germany, not having Kenyan phone number.

Why would you need to?

[Neddy69]

You can use for example World Remit. I don't know if you need to register or not, I have registered, I have account in World Remit, easy to create, for free.

You choose Kenia as destination, then you choose Mobile Money as way to delivery, that is Mpesa.

Then you add reveiver name and number, Mpesa account is same as phone number.

Then it asks your credit card number etc. Normal electric payment procedure.

You don't need to have Safaricom sim card or anything in Kenya. I have delivered money several times to Kenya this way.

I have seen with Western Union that they have also some "Mobile Wallet" as one way to deliver, when you choose Kenya as destination. But I have never tried that, probably work same way.

This is a Paybill number. That means it's used to pay bills with mPesa. You can use World remit only to transfer money to a mobile phone number. NOT a Paybill number. So it is NOT possible to pay your train ticket with World Remit. In order to pay a Kenya railways Ticket you need a valid mPesa mobile money account. Easiest is after you arrive in Yomo Kenyatta take a Bolt to the train station. First class is almost never full. Pay cash.

Mwalimu.