Nairobi

[Hesekiels]

On the stories front yes most are complete lies. When I was "new" I believed them. Now though I mostly don't. ...

Same here! And when you have learned your first lessons, then mongering makes more fun and is much cheaper as well! Or am I wrong?

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[Willyboy]

On the stories front yes most are complete lies. When I was "new" I believed them. Now though I mostly don't. I have a select few girls I am friends with. A couple are working girls and the stories they tell are amazing. One has a boyfriend in Germany who send her money every month. She feeds him lies that amaze me. He pays for everything and only sees her twice a year. Another has a kid with a mzungu who send her $2. 5k every month. She drives a nicer car than mine.

It's amazing how dumb some white men there who swallow the lies of those girls. They invest the money gained simply more white men to snare. I laughed my a break when I see everything. One visit they sit at the bar and the next visit with one another. They do not know where they should keep their heads. I laugh myself to death. . Love your fellow Co-sponsorship of hands if you're not in Kenya. It's really lost money. This is served in your own country.

[Willyboy]

On the stories front yes most are complete lies. When I was "new" I believed them. Now though I mostly don't. I have a select few girls I am friends with. A couple are working girls and the stories they tell are amazing. One has a boyfriend in Germany who send her money every month. She feeds him lies that amaze me. He pays for everything and only sees her twice a year. Another has a kid with a mzungu who send her $2. 5k every month. She drives a nicer car than mine.

Mzungus not only paying cars for girls, no apartments. I now one girl, this girl having from 5 mzungus 10. 000ksh month. Mzungus open hairdress salons, Paying 40. 000ksh to dentist. Sitting many thimes in waiting rooms from dentist. To craesy to now all this. Why to work in hotels for less than 10. 000ksh / month end mzungus sending more than 5 monthsalerys. Only to go to western union the first of the month.

This malaya.

[Luvemblack]

On the stories front yes most are complete lies. When I was "new" I believed them. Now though I mostly don't. I have a select few girls I am friends with. A couple are working girls and the stories they tell are amazing. One has a boyfriend in Germany who send her money every month. She feeds him lies that amaze me. He pays for everything and only sees her twice a year. Another has a kid with a mzungu who send her $2. 5k every month. She drives a nicer car than mine.

The difference IS the money. It is different when a student girl tries to make ends meet to pay school fees, temporary looks for mzungu money or when she quits school to do full time prostitution because it pays damn more than an office job after collage. Its a difference when Kenyan men, attracted by the money the girls are making, try to parasite on her fruits of services, while she thinks its real love. It is a difference when a girl gets old, no mzungu to claim her and bring her to a better situation, she has a child of the Mzungu but no serious Kenyan man will ever marry her and accept her status in life.

Imagine what, good or bad, your money might do today, and, tomorrow! Even orphanages, schools and other projects depending on charity have become big business."Western Union love" has become an industry on its own. Think of fellows who can read on the whole internet that Kenyan ladies are not faithful etc etc. All because of money.

That makes a big difference, living in Kenya, having the time to get to know them and knowing the girls characters. I am always surprised Mzungus believe all kinds of stories, they think they have a clue about the girl but in real sense, these girls have become crooks.

Once I believed dramatic stories too, than one day a girl told me these stories are just merchandise, exchanged between girls to get money from mzungus. Than I woke up.

[Member #4379]

Thanks to the Dicktators in Africa we have this problem of women not having the opportunity to benefit from a growing economy. Instead, these dictators in Africa crowd out and control most of the economy for their own benefit and a small elite class (military included) of mostly men. Those left out depend on foreign aid for a decent wage. Just look at Ghana and the difference after the dictator Rawlings stepped down (bless his soul, most dicks don; t do that, hence the problem) Although it is slow, the economy in Ghana is no longer in the control of a dicktator so more people are climbing out of poverty and getting a share of the wealth created. Not the case in most African countries where dicktators continue to rule. Don't send aid to African countries that are still run by dicktators, send it only to those countries that have had free, fair, competitive, and regular elections. Otherwise, you are keeping the dicks in power.

The difference IS the money. It is different when a student girl tries to make ends meet to pay school fees, temporary looks for mzungu money or when she quits school to do full time prostitution because it pays damn more than an office job after collage. Its a difference when Kenyan men, attracted by the money the girls are making, try to parasite on her fruits of services, while she thinks its real love. It is a difference when a girl gets old, no mzungu to claim her and bring her to a better situation, she has a child of the Mzungu but no serious Kenyan man will ever marry her and accept her status in life.

Imagine what, good or bad, your money might do today, and, tomorrow! Even orphanages, schools and other projects depending on charity have become big business."Western Union love" has become an industry on its own. Think of fellows who can read on the whole internet that Kenyan ladies are not faithful etc etc. All because of money.

That makes a big difference, living in Kenya, having the time to get to know them and knowing the girls characters. I am always surprised Mzungus believe all kinds of stories, they think they have a clue about the girl but in real sense, these girls have become crooks.

Once I believed dramatic stories too, than one day a girl told me these stories are just merchandise, exchanged between girls to get money from mzungus. Than I woke up.

[Wenzman]

Fellow hobbyists. I've been offline for a week or so and am now catching and apparently catching hell for my ksh 7000 payment to a massage girl in westlands for 2hr.

Wow, first of all, a note about me. I make a healthy £six figure salary and frankly, will spend my quid as I please. 2nd, I'm not looking for a 10min fast fuck with malaya Bush girls but a nice GFE from a courtesan who knows how to entertain gentlemen, is DDF and allows MSOGs. I've spent time in Florida and am always disappointed with the quality and endurance of the 'pros'. So, I tried something different in outcalling a massage girl.

That said, if you read the post well, you'll see that I only paid her ksh3k for her two hours. Because I called a massage place in Westlands, they informed me that in order to have her outcall, I had to pay them ksh4k. I actually WENT to the massage place on another occasion so they knew me. Did they hustle me? Perhaps.

I live in Bangkok, where it is standard practice to pay barfines to have girls check out to go with joes.

Did I pay too much, I'm seeing from you experts that I did. But did I have a good time? Sure I did. So, what do you care how much I paid? The point of the board is to discuss performance, and provide tips. I welcome any PMs from you 'pros' to help me in my future endeavors.

Meanwhile, back to the pussy.

Guy

If you live in Bangkok there is no need to pay barfine for the bar girls, you're doing something wrong. Why do not collect telephone numbers and call them by phone after work. For someone who supposedly lives there, it is not necessary to pay in a bar barfine. There are other opportunities to meet many nice girls. So tell us no nonsense. I've worked a long time even in Bangkok, after a short time it was no longer necessary to go to the tourist areas and pay barfine.

But you know that by yourself, if you live there. So tell us no bullshit.

Wenzman

[BKKguy]

Fellow hobbyists. I've been offline for a week or so and am now catching and apparently catching hell for my ksh 7000 payment to a massage girl in westlands for 2hr.

Wow, first of all, a note about me. I make a healthy £six figure salary and frankly, will spend my quid as I please. 2nd, I'm not looking for a 10min fast fuck with malaya Bush girls but a nice GFE from a courtesan who knows how to entertain gentlemen, is DDF and allows MSOGs. I've spent time in Florida and am always disappointed with the quality and endurance of the 'pros'. So, I tried something different in outcalling a massage girl.

That said, if you read the post well, you'll see that I only paid her ksh3k for her two hours. Because I called a massage place in Westlands, they informed me that in order to have her outcall, I had to pay them ksh4k. I actually WENT to the massage place on another occasion so they knew me. Did they hustle me? Perhaps.

I live in Bangkok, where it is standard practice to pay barfines to have girls check out to go with joes.

Did I pay too much, I'm seeing from you experts that I did. But did I have a good time? Sure I did. So, what do you care how much I paid? The point of the board is to discuss performance, and provide tips. I welcome any PMs from you 'pros' to help me in my future endeavors.

Meanwhile, back to the pussy.

Guy

[BionicMan]

Agreed, prices will meet international levels at some point, but more likely due to economic development over the next decades rather than due to a few hopeless guys ignoring market rates. Remember, everyone deserves a lucky day.

I agree.

I do not htink the local mongering prices are affected much by some (10? 20?) guys overpaying.

As you said, that will be the "lucky day" of the WG, but will not establish the official rate.

Take China, where everything is increasing now: salaries, prices and. WG rates. Certainly not because few dudes felt good by overpaying. But because of the general economy.

Of course the level of some WG will make them believe a "lucky day" will follow one after the other and might be tempted to demand the higher price paid by someone the day before.

If there are 10 guys each day in the local market overpaying, how are the chances that those girls will bump into them, when there are maybe 100 or 150 guys (or more) demanding their services.

But after 4. 5 or ten times they bang their head and go back home empty handed they will understand "lucky day" only comes few times and unexpectedly, so better not push too much their luck.

[Member #4379]

The difference IS the money. It is different when a student girl tries to make ends meet to pay school fees, temporary looks for mzungu money or when she quits school to do full time prostitution because it pays damn more than an office job after collage. Its a difference when Kenyan men, attracted by the money the girls are making, try to parasite on her fruits of services, while she thinks its real love. It is a difference when a girl gets old, no mzungu to claim her and bring her to a better situation, she has a child of the Mzungu but no serious Kenyan man will ever marry her and accept her status in life.

Imagine what, good or bad, your money might do today, and, tomorrow! Even orphanages, schools and other projects depending on charity have become big business."Western Union love" has become an industry on its own. Think of fellows who can read on the whole internet that Kenyan ladies are not faithful etc etc. All because of money.

That makes a big difference, living in Kenya, having the time to get to know them and knowing the girls characters. I am always surprised Mzungus believe all kinds of stories, they think they have a clue about the girl but in real sense, these girls have become crooks.

Once I believed dramatic stories too, than one day a girl told me these stories are just merchandise, exchanged between girls to get money from mzungus. Than I woke up.

This is a very good explanation of the situation for women in most African countries, even the 'middle' classes'. Even today in 2011 most men who graduate with a Bachelor's degree in the social sciences in Africa will end up with a very poor paying desk job in the gov't. It is hard to believe that even today these men will get their only good paying jobs from foreign aid (UN, ADB, World Bank, or they set up their own charity and get foreign aid). You can imagine that if the men are having trouble earning a living, just imagine the women. I 'married' a women from Ghana who was 'middle class' but still was very desperate to marry me to get out of Ghana since she was never going to get a good paying job in Ghana. I could have gone to the airport and not given her a dime but I gave her $4000 USA as part of the divorce. It paid for her entire 4 years tuition, too bad it was at a bad, unaccredited 'university' in Ghana. When I told her I could have just left she said "I would get you!". This shows just how desperate they are for the mzungu money. For those crazy enough, don't marry them unless you are a fascist! Or at least a Christian conservative fundamentalist.

[Bareback Jack]

Yes, spot on maybe Jackson could save us from having to repeat ourselves by banning anyone from posting if they admit to paying ridiculous prices to 'play hide the sausage' on the forum. I have seen many a destination for us fellow hunters on safari ruined and Kenya will go the same way eventually.

Agreed, prices will meet international levels at some point, but more likely due to economic development over the next decades rather than due to a few hopeless guys ignoring market rates. Remember, everyone deserves a lucky day.

[Jbond]

This forum will never cease to amaze me. Could it be actually true that a member of this forum paid a malaya 7000 shillings, then found it okay to announce it here? I can't stop laughing! Okay, maybe I have the advantage of being a black African, and a native Kenyan. That means that if I want, I can go to sabasaba and pay 200 ksh. But, since I don't want to lie on a bed with lice, I prefer to go to Casablanca and pay a little more. But I still don't want to believe that anyone would willingly pay 7k for one night. Why, do you own a diamond mine in Botswana? Even if you do, its simply silly! That is the reason the rest of us find the prices going up, because some monger has decided to play father Christmas. Why do we join this forum? Is it not to learn from each other? Then why would one who is a member here, who has read all the previous posts on the subject of prices, still go out and do something like that? If you want to spoil the market rates, at least have the decency not to announce it here!

Yes, spot on maybe Jackson could save us from having to repeat ourselves by banning anyone from posting if they admit to paying ridiculous prices to 'play hide the sausage' on the forum. I have seen many a destination for us fellow hunters on safari ruined and Kenya will go the same way eventually.

[Tonkazan]

This forum will never cease to amaze me. Could it be actually true that a member of this forum paid a malaya 7000 shillings, then found it okay to announce it here? I can't stop laughing! Okay, maybe I have the advantage of being a black African, and a native Kenyan. That means that if I want, I can go to sabasaba and pay 200 ksh. But, since I don't want to lie on a bed with lice, I prefer to go to Casablanca and pay a little more. But I still don't want to believe that anyone would willingly pay 7k for one night. Why, do you own a diamond mine in Botswana? Even if you do, its simply silly! That is the reason the rest of us find the prices going up, because some monger has decided to play father Christmas. Why do we join this forum? Is it not to learn from each other? Then why would one who is a member here, who has read all the previous posts on the subject of prices, still go out and do something like that? If you want to spoil the market rates, at least have the decency not to announce it here!

[Expat Kenya]

Willy do not treat african girls like door mats please try to br human, they are simply trying to survive and pay for there bills. Imagine it was your daughter being treated the way you doing. Why pay little to one girl if you can change the well being of one. Try sticking to one girl for one holiday and change to onother the next. Be human life is not all about money.

The difference IS the money. It is different when a student girl tries to make ends meet to pay school fees, temporary looks for mzungu money or when she quits school to do full time prostitution because it pays damn more than an office job after collage. Its a difference when Kenyan men, attracted by the money the girls are making, try to parasite on her fruits of services, while she thinks its real love. It is a difference when a girl gets old, no mzungu to claim her and bring her to a better situation, she has a child of the Mzungu but no serious Kenyan man will ever marry her and accept her status in life.

Imagine what, good or bad, your money might do today, and, tomorrow! Even orphanages, schools and other projects depending on charity have become big business."Western Union love" has become an industry on its own. Think of fellows who can read on the whole internet that Kenyan ladies are not faithful etc etc. All because of money.

I mostly agree and to each his own. One point of clarification though, I have the luxury of living in Kenya so I have lots of time to pick and choose.

That makes a big difference, living in Kenya, having the time to get to know them and knowing the girls characters. I am always surprised Mzungus believe all kinds of stories, they think they have a clue about the girl but in real sense, these girls have become crooks.

Once I believed dramatic stories too, than one day a girl told me these stories are just merchandise, exchanged between girls to get money from mzungus. Than I woke up.

[Jbond]

Only idiots paying 7000ksh for 2h; I was 4 nights with differents girls in my room, end also with perfeckt service. When this beginners will laerning albout the prices from malayas in kenya?

Agreed Willyboy but some guys never learn. You have guys who think they are too young and good looking to help the girls out after their 'rumpypumpy' and then there are the guys who the girls regard as more of a work in progress to put it kindly and ask them for more than the market rate. How many times do we discuss and explain the average Kenyan earns 5000-8000 KES per month. Finally, there will always be the production line of guys out there who want to spoil / ruin the girls / destinations for their fellow comrades in arms by giving them that for a couple of hours. Maybe we should take them on a tour of the places near River Road where Kenyan guys have their 'rumpypumpy' for 200KES. Sue from 'Nairobi nights ' fame and her friends go to these places when they can't find a mzungu who can be fooled into thinking they are good girls on Afro or others who want to just shower them with cash. Let's stop wasting our breath and go back to tales of bedroom gymnastics.

[Willyboy]

Willy do not treat african girls like door mats please try to br human, they are simply trying to survive and pay for there bills. Imagine it was your daughter being treated the way you doing. Why pay little to one girl if you can change the well being of one. Try sticking to one girl for one holiday and change to onother the next. Be human life is not all about money.

Insite Kenya going all thinks about money. Only sun going up for free in this country. By carfull in kenya. You will losed your last slip. To pay 2000ksh / night is more than your roomclaener (one weeck to work). Your roomclaener will choising very fast for malaya job! Very soon you making your bed by yourself. No roomclaeners!