Nairobi

[Chris Bigdog]

Its best to do the daily one. Research of prep in CIS / heterosexual males is not the greatest. There simply aren't enough studies (opinion) or at least they are not as visible or well reported as those done on gay men, trans and women.

There are whispers that event based can be done by straight men who are insertive partners, but they seem to be just whispers. (https://i-base.info/guides/prep/on-demand). The rational for that seem to be since gay insertive partners can use event based by extension straight men can also do the same with the vag.

I am a big fan of prep, just personally I just do the daily one for the 3 or 4 weeks I monger internationally. 7 days before possible exposure and 7 days after possible exposure. No problem.

SeanBenz -.

Thanks for your reply.

Sounds like the TD / FTC PReP is the one to go with; yes?

But there risks associated with it, notably kidney issues.

I'm 55 which puts me over the 50 age its mentioned.

Also where do you get it?

Could order online but a lot less comfortable ordering that than I might Viagra from an Indian pharmacy!

Chris.

[Senser]

Where are these two places. Anymore info?

Thanks.

Feel free to look them up in Google Maps, there are plenty of pics and reviews. NSH is open during the day and you can check out the numerous restaurants. Thursday is Latino night on the second floor, which becomes a dance floor. I ubered my way there straight to the entrance, just type in the name and the driver will know. Nairobi Street Kitchen is in Westlands, 207 Lounge Bar is on Amboseli Lane, a bit hidden away besides the street. The owners have another lounge bar, which also starts with "2". Unfortunately I have forgotten the name and haven't been there. Anyone visiting 257, please leave a review here. It was my first and only time to a hooker-bar, I can't provide comparisons to Sabina Joy etc.

[SeanBenz]

I prefer sex without a condom (obviously) and the CDC says that the pills reduce the chance of getting HIV by 99%.

While not 100%; that's pretty good.

Need a prescription etc in US; and intermittent users can follow a 2-1-1 schedule.

It is also known as "intermittent," "non-daily," "event-driven," or "off-label" PrEP use.

The type of "on-demand" PrEP that has been studied is the "2-1-1" schedule. This means taking 2 pills 2-24 hours before sex, 1 pill 24 hours after the first dose, and 1 pill 24 hours after the second dose.

There is scientific evidence that the "2-1-1" schedule provides effective protection for gay and bisexual men* when having anal sex without a condom.

We don't know how "on-demand" PrEP works for heterosexual men and women, people who inject drugs, and transgender persons.

The are some side effects of course but seem to be tolerated pretty well.

So does anyone know if you can get them there?

Been to a Kenya a few times and met 'nice' - ok smart women who wanted to get a rapid HIV test together.

This is great but not for a quick pickup.

Thoughts?

Its best to do the daily one. Research of prep in CIS / heterosexual males is not the greatest. There simply aren't enough studies (opinion) or at least they are not as visible or well reported as those done on gay men, trans and women.

There are whispers that event based can be done by straight men who are insertive partners, but they seem to be just whispers. (https://i-base.info/guides/prep/on-demand). The rational for that seem to be since gay insertive partners can use event based by extension straight men can also do the same with the vag.

I am a big fan of prep, just personally I just do the daily one for the 3 or 4 weeks I monger internationally. 7 days before possible exposure and 7 days after possible exposure. No problem.

[Chris Bigdog]

I prefer sex without a condom (obviously) and the CDC says that the pills reduce the chance of getting HIV by 99%.

While not 100%; that's pretty good.

Need a prescription etc in US; and intermittent users can follow a 2-1-1 schedule.

It is also known as "intermittent," "non-daily," "event-driven," or "off-label" PrEP use.

The type of "on-demand" PrEP that has been studied is the "2-1-1" schedule. This means taking 2 pills 2-24 hours before sex, 1 pill 24 hours after the first dose, and 1 pill 24 hours after the second dose.

There is scientific evidence that the "2-1-1" schedule provides effective protection for gay and bisexual men* when having anal sex without a condom.

We don't know how "on-demand" PrEP works for heterosexual men and women, people who inject drugs, and transgender persons.

The are some side effects of course but seem to be tolerated pretty well.

So does anyone know if you can get them there?

Been to a Kenya a few times and met 'nice' - ok smart women who wanted to get a rapid HIV test together.

This is great but not for a quick pickup.

Thoughts?

[Mombie75]

A first timer to Africa, I traveled to Nairobi in early January 2024 for 10 days. It wasn't a pure mongering trip, but in this post I will focus on just that. Many things written in this forum are true, so I will just add a few personal observations.

CLUBS: Nairobi Street Kitchen is full on Thursdays.

"207 Lounge" I was quoted at the door 1 HR 4 k KSH incl. Room, 12 HR takeout 10 k KSH. Not cheap, but 50% of the girls were young and hot. Small, friendly and "cozy" place with a massive outdoor area with separated, open tents to sit in.

Where are these two places. Anymore info?

Thanks.

[Senser]

A first timer to Africa, I traveled to Nairobi in early January 2024 for 10 days. It wasn't a pure mongering trip, but in this post I will focus on just that. Many things written in this forum are true, so I will just add a few personal observations.

CLUBS: Nairobi Street Kitchen is full on Thursdays. Alchemist seems quiet on weekdays and busy on weekends. Generally, nightlife in Westlands seems to start at midnight. During the week, one needs to know which clubs are "hot", especially Monday to Wednesday.

STRIPCLUB: Liddos was closed (temporarily, it seems). Standing in the street and trying to figure out what to do next, I ran into the only Kenyan guy that did not want something from me. He mentioned "207 Lounge" and walked away. I was quoted at the door 1 HR 4 k KSH incl. Room, 12 HR takeout 10 k KSH. Not cheap, but 50% of the girls were young and hot. Small, friendly and "cozy" place with a massive outdoor area with separated, open tents to sit in. Didn't see a foreigner there.

APPS: Girls on apps are young, horny, and abundant. Many are blessed with bodies that Western women couldn't achieve even if they worked out 5 days a week. As a rule of thumb, Tinder is more for paid hook-ups whereas Bumble is more for girls with "normal jobs". As the latter doesn't mean much in Kenya, realistically, the differences are minimal. The "programmer" you match with on Bumble may be really able to code, or just "plans" to be a programmer "next year". In general, if you want "normal" dating (I. E. , without pre-arranged service agreements), be prepared to be taken advantage of. Not always, but sometimes. Which brings me to the next point:

CULTURE: Kenyans are open and friendly, however, the amount of time and effort they are willing to invest just to get a few bucks out of you is simply mind-boggling. Guys on the streets will walk with you for hours and tell you the nicest stories about orphanages, schools etc. Just to get something out of you, even if it's just a few hundred shilling. Girls, especially the "regular" girls with "jobs", will spend entire afternoons and evenings with you for a a few drinks, or a dinner. If you're strictly after sex, it makes more sense to go for the semi-pro's with the pre-arranged "taxi money". If you want the thrill of "regular dating", be prepared to be astonished by the level of work Kenyan girls put in for a little bit of attention and a hot dish. Without guaranteed sex. As most Kenyan women, pro or non-pro, generally enjoy jokes and appreciate a healthy amount of dirty smalltalk, I suggest to do just that before the date in a relaxed & playful manner and filter out the ones that are not responsive (BTW this strategy works in the West too, although you must be more careful and less direct).

CONCLUSION: After a self-imposed 2-year hiatus from dating in order to free up energy to work on myself, I enjoyed Kenya a lot. The feeling of dating a hot 20-something that can hold a conversation (yes, they exist), and has a good sense of humor, meant a lot to me. Nevertheless, "regular" dating in Kenya means there's a chance you run into girls that will take you for a ride without putting out. In Europe, I have a three-date rule, in Kenya that's down to two dates, and I almost believe that's still one date too much. Kenya's economy and demographics means that there's not too much of a difference both in looks and brains between semi-pro's and "regular girls". They all need to make a living. And that's the true value that Kenya holds for men: There's an abundance of women everywhere. Whatever you do, you will get laid by a hot 20-something that loves having sex.

[Radical Guy]

Very apt description. If no cash is forthcoming. To wine and dine. Rookie mistake. Straight cash transaction and bullshit about "I love you baby" works out much cheaper and cost effective. These college girls are all after funding. Like university students. Just do the deed give money in the morning. Then she can buy herself public transport and kuku with chips. Of course she romances you to become one of her lovers to help funding her studies. Sugar daddy deals. But you're not the only one. Sooner or later reality sets in. After all. It's better to keep to transactional jiggi jiggi. Don't worry. Once you're in her data base. I. E. Phone contact Shree going to call you again. As I have reiterated before. Wine and dine useless expense. No need to romance an African girl. Utter waste of money. With cash you help her with her actual living expenses.

Mwalimu.

But the romancing part can be fun, even if one knows it's an illusion. I have no qualms about being less than honest with the ladies.

RG.

[Neddy69]

Metaphysics aside, many have posted in so many words that whatever your experience is with the Kenyan ladies, it's still transactional, P4 P or GFE. None of us should be fooled, or so foolish, not to recognize: you WILL pay, one way or the other. Just be sure it's to your benefit.

Although I certainly already knew this by heart, I just got hard reminded of it during my recent trip: meet a "college" (in Kenya, colleges are for those who can't afford or don't have the grades for university) Kenchic via Tinder, who was more alluring than sexy based on her pics & vids from her profile. Still, ended up hooking up with her, in person she was really a hot number, slim but fully sexy in the way she dressed, and better au naturel perfect t&a. Was a sweet spinner in the sack, and has good head game. We quickly established a girl friendly experience (GFE), she INITIALLY seems eager just to have someone (foreign) to hang with during Christmas holidays, at a fancy apt complex with pool, chill common areas, gameroom, etc. I was glad to have the company. And the sex. No money was ever negotiated but of course it was free food, wine, transport, some phone credit, traveling, entertainment to her. All on my expense..

Very apt description. If no cash is forthcoming. To wine and dine. Rookie mistake. Straight cash transaction and bullshit about "I love you baby" works out much cheaper and cost effective. These college girls are all after funding. Like university students. Just do the deed give money in the morning. Then she can buy herself public transport and kuku with chips. Of course she romances you to become one of her lovers to help funding her studies. Sugar daddy deals. But you're not the only one. Sooner or later reality sets in. After all. It's better to keep to transactional jiggi jiggi. Don't worry. Once you're in her data base. I. E. Phone contact Shree going to call you again. As I have reiterated before. Wine and dine useless expense. No need to romance an African girl. Utter waste of money. With cash you help her with her actual living expenses.

Mwalimu.

[Rwenotmen]

I simply have no interest in the over P4P mentality. I prefer the illusion of a real girlfriend experience.

Metaphysics aside, many have posted in so many words that whatever your experience is with the Kenyan ladies, it's still transactional, P4 P or GFE. None of us should be fooled, or so foolish, not to recognize: you WILL pay, one way or the other. Just be sure it's to your benefit.

Although I certainly already knew this by heart, I just got hard reminded of it during my recent trip: meet a "college" (in Kenya, colleges are for those who can't afford or don't have the grades for university) Kenchic via Tinder, who was more alluring than sexy based on her pics & vids from her profile. Still, ended up hooking up with her, in person she was really a hot number, slim but fully sexy in the way she dressed, and better au naturel perfect t&a. Was a sweet spinner in the sack, and has good head game. We quickly established a girl friendly experience (GFE), she INITIALLY seems eager just to have someone (foreign) to hang with during Christmas holidays, at a fancy apt complex with pool, chill common areas, gameroom, etc. I was glad to have the company. And the sex. No money was ever negotiated but of course it was free food, wine, transport, some phone credit, traveling, entertainment to her. All on my expense.

It lasted about 10 days--the illusion turned to reality when she realized she wasn't getting direct cash, so she started holding back on 'services'. The final straw for both of us is when she went to bed with her clothes on, and woke up playing with her phone rather than with me. I concluded the illusion by telling her, that same morning, that I was totally busy that day so she had to go home. I never said we would meet again, nor did I even give her fare to go home. We haven't texted since. That was the end of that.

Still, Fun while it lasted.

[Slowalk]

Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.


Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).

I recommend you set up Wise and WorldRemit apps before you leave the US. Then, add to mPESA once you set up a Safaricom number and mPESA account at Safaicom. You can add to mPESA electronically without touching cash at all. If you must bring cash, you can exchange USD for KSh at the airport or at one of the many FOREX then go to any mPESA shop and turn Kenya Shillings into mPESA. You can exchange $100 at local Indian groceries on the coast for better rates. Someone can advise which ones.

*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?

For newcomers, the coast is set up better for tourists so, try Bamburi Beach, Diani Beach or Malindi. Its hot and humid. Its no Pattaya, however.

I want to spend some time near Thika near Kenyatta University but I can't give first person advise about that area north of Nairobi. My neighbor is young and he reported that they "more that one has ripped my clothes off me. ".

[Slowalk]

Not pay up front, never. I guess you meant that agree the prize and all possible terms before taking girl in your room. If you pay before, girl don't have motivation anymore to give good service.

Good catch. I meant agree to terms up front. I'm the worst editor of my own posts.

[BPalacio]

Not pay up front, never. How many times are we supposed to tell you this until you understand? Stay in Thailand if you can't do that.

English must not be your first language? No one said anything about paying upfront. I mentioned that I would be upfront about prices to be paid after services are rendered. You need to work on your reading comprehension, lad.

[Muzungufotsy]

Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.

I ideally would like to net non-pros, but I honestly am more comfortable being upfront with expected services and what she can be expected to be paid for those services. I understand that's not very organic and might even be a bit off-putting, but it sounds like that's the safest way to approach mongering in Kenya. It's also how I approached mongering in Thailand, so it's the method with which I am most comfortable.

I am not the best at small talk and playing the flirting game. I also wouldn't have much time for my trip, especially factoring in the time I can expect to be jetlagged, so I think being upfront with these women that I'm looking to pay for play is best.

I also have read through this thread quite a bit and I definitely know to keep my guard up. I know mongering in Africa will be quite different from Thailand, so I hope I keep my resolve when I land!

Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).

*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?

Not pay up front, never. How many times are we supposed to tell you this until you understand? Stay in Thailand if you can't do that.

[BPalacio]

Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.

I ideally would like to net non-pros, but I honestly am more comfortable being upfront with expected services and what she can be expected to be paid for those services. I understand that's not very organic and might even be a bit off-putting, but it sounds like that's the safest way to approach mongering in Kenya. It's also how I approached mongering in Thailand, so it's the method with which I am most comfortable.

I am not the best at small talk and playing the flirting game. I also wouldn't have much time for my trip, especially factoring in the time I can expect to be jetlagged, so I think being upfront with these women that I'm looking to pay for play is best.

I also have read through this thread quite a bit and I definitely know to keep my guard up. I know mongering in Africa will be quite different from Thailand, so I hope I keep my resolve when I land!

Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).

*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?

[Leblon]

When you deal with pros, absolutely pay up front.

When you deal with non pros, I never mention money. I just send it to her what I want and she's wet.

I should point out that if youre young and attractive, youre her dream and you pay nothing. If youre older, sophisticated and attractive, its up to you but if youre old, fat and dont make an effort to look presentable, you are not what shes looking for and she wants much more. Stands to reason.

Not pay up front, never. I guess you meant that agree the prize and all possible terms before taking girl in your room. If you pay before, girl don't have motivation anymore to give good service.