Nairobi

[Rwenotmen]

I simply have no interest in the over P4P mentality. I prefer the illusion of a real girlfriend experience.

Metaphysics aside, many have posted in so many words that whatever your experience is with the Kenyan ladies, it's still transactional, P4 P or GFE. None of us should be fooled, or so foolish, not to recognize: you WILL pay, one way or the other. Just be sure it's to your benefit.

Although I certainly already knew this by heart, I just got hard reminded of it during my recent trip: meet a "college" (in Kenya, colleges are for those who can't afford or don't have the grades for university) Kenchic via Tinder, who was more alluring than sexy based on her pics & vids from her profile. Still, ended up hooking up with her, in person she was really a hot number, slim but fully sexy in the way she dressed, and better au naturel perfect t&a. Was a sweet spinner in the sack, and has good head game. We quickly established a girl friendly experience (GFE), she INITIALLY seems eager just to have someone (foreign) to hang with during Christmas holidays, at a fancy apt complex with pool, chill common areas, gameroom, etc. I was glad to have the company. And the sex. No money was ever negotiated but of course it was free food, wine, transport, some phone credit, traveling, entertainment to her. All on my expense.

It lasted about 10 days--the illusion turned to reality when she realized she wasn't getting direct cash, so she started holding back on 'services'. The final straw for both of us is when she went to bed with her clothes on, and woke up playing with her phone rather than with me. I concluded the illusion by telling her, that same morning, that I was totally busy that day so she had to go home. I never said we would meet again, nor did I even give her fare to go home. We haven't texted since. That was the end of that.

Still, Fun while it lasted.

[Slowalk]

Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.


Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).

I recommend you set up Wise and WorldRemit apps before you leave the US. Then, add to mPESA once you set up a Safaricom number and mPESA account at Safaicom. You can add to mPESA electronically without touching cash at all. If you must bring cash, you can exchange USD for KSh at the airport or at one of the many FOREX then go to any mPESA shop and turn Kenya Shillings into mPESA. You can exchange $100 at local Indian groceries on the coast for better rates. Someone can advise which ones.

*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?

For newcomers, the coast is set up better for tourists so, try Bamburi Beach, Diani Beach or Malindi. Its hot and humid. Its no Pattaya, however.

I want to spend some time near Thika near Kenyatta University but I can't give first person advise about that area north of Nairobi. My neighbor is young and he reported that they "more that one has ripped my clothes off me. ".

[Slowalk]

Not pay up front, never. I guess you meant that agree the prize and all possible terms before taking girl in your room. If you pay before, girl don't have motivation anymore to give good service.

Good catch. I meant agree to terms up front. I'm the worst editor of my own posts.

[BPalacio]

Not pay up front, never. How many times are we supposed to tell you this until you understand? Stay in Thailand if you can't do that.

English must not be your first language? No one said anything about paying upfront. I mentioned that I would be upfront about prices to be paid after services are rendered. You need to work on your reading comprehension, lad.

[Muzungufotsy]

Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.

I ideally would like to net non-pros, but I honestly am more comfortable being upfront with expected services and what she can be expected to be paid for those services. I understand that's not very organic and might even be a bit off-putting, but it sounds like that's the safest way to approach mongering in Kenya. It's also how I approached mongering in Thailand, so it's the method with which I am most comfortable.

I am not the best at small talk and playing the flirting game. I also wouldn't have much time for my trip, especially factoring in the time I can expect to be jetlagged, so I think being upfront with these women that I'm looking to pay for play is best.

I also have read through this thread quite a bit and I definitely know to keep my guard up. I know mongering in Africa will be quite different from Thailand, so I hope I keep my resolve when I land!

Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).

*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?

Not pay up front, never. How many times are we supposed to tell you this until you understand? Stay in Thailand if you can't do that.

[BPalacio]

Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.

I ideally would like to net non-pros, but I honestly am more comfortable being upfront with expected services and what she can be expected to be paid for those services. I understand that's not very organic and might even be a bit off-putting, but it sounds like that's the safest way to approach mongering in Kenya. It's also how I approached mongering in Thailand, so it's the method with which I am most comfortable.

I am not the best at small talk and playing the flirting game. I also wouldn't have much time for my trip, especially factoring in the time I can expect to be jetlagged, so I think being upfront with these women that I'm looking to pay for play is best.

I also have read through this thread quite a bit and I definitely know to keep my guard up. I know mongering in Africa will be quite different from Thailand, so I hope I keep my resolve when I land!

Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).

*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?

[Leblon]

When you deal with pros, absolutely pay up front.

When you deal with non pros, I never mention money. I just send it to her what I want and she's wet.

I should point out that if youre young and attractive, youre her dream and you pay nothing. If youre older, sophisticated and attractive, its up to you but if youre old, fat and dont make an effort to look presentable, you are not what shes looking for and she wants much more. Stands to reason.

Not pay up front, never. I guess you meant that agree the prize and all possible terms before taking girl in your room. If you pay before, girl don't have motivation anymore to give good service.

[Slowalk]

The only bit I don't agree with. Money.
I like agree up front as I don't want drama afterwards, if you give them 5 k they may then argue for 10 k, Now it is a pain and a hassle to get rid of them in such secenario.

When you deal with pros, absolutely pay up front.

When you deal with non pros, I never mention money. I just send it to her what I want and she's wet.

I should point out that if you’re young and attractive, you’re her dream and you pay nothing. If you’re older, sophisticated and attractive, it’s up to you but if you’re old, fat and don’t make an effort to look presentable, you are not what she’s looking for and she wants much more. Stands to reason.

[King Amir]

All the girls I met with are Tinder girls. I spoke to them for a few days before I arrived.

Out of a week I met with 8 girls.

I didn't even pay them one shill, it's very easy to bring a girl home if you're a foreign guy, and a young man.

Yes I paid for their transport and meals.

It is important to talk to them a few days before arrival and try to connect, some will ask for money and some will not, and some will try to raise money from you and do it smoothly with some excuse like "my cellphone is lost, we can't talk at all" she probably expects you to buy a new cellphone.

The local women in Kenya love sex, they know the job.

I was amazed at the amount of girls who want to meet, it didn't happen to me in my country, I would give you an example, I had at least 4 girls who wanted to meet in the evening and I had to choose one of them, it was hard, and I was sorry I only came for a week.

Good apps:

Bolt- a very cheap taxi app in Nairobi.

Safaricom.

Get ready to get glances for a few seconds from people in the street.

Children on the street may have to contact you with the goal of asking for money and will not leave you.

Keep your cellphone close to you!

[Mombie75]

If you're coming from the Americas for just one week, I would stick to one location. You'll be jet lagged the entire trip and spend too much time on the move.
Set up Wise and WorldRemit (as a backup) before you travel then go straight to Safaricom and set up mPesa mobile money upon arrival.
1) Don't be generous. It works the opposite of what you intend it to and will harm you rather than help you. They expect more once you show generosity. Seriously, it's like feeding dangerous wildlife. They all eventually steal.

2) They all lie for no reason even if the truth is to their benefit.

3) It's actually harder to rid yourself of her than it is to find her and she's very easy to find. Dont talk money. She wont talk money but know that she absolutely wants money and its why shes with you. But, if she wants to invite a friend, nothing good will come of it. Assume she's not into you and you're a game to her.

These are good tips from slowalk.

They all steal, very true. They all expect more and more until you are mean for not giving them what they want.

Lie, lie, lie it really is comical at times. They can't help it.

Good point, if they bring a friend they are not into you or they would not risk that friend stealing you. I.

The only bit I don't agree with. Money.

I like agree up front as I don't want drama afterwards, if you give them 5 k they may then argue for 10 k, Now it is a pain and a hassle to get rid of them in such secenario.

[Slowalk]

If you're coming from the Americas for just one week, I would stick to one location. You'll be jet lagged the entire trip and spend too much time on the move.

Nairobi is high altitude and cool, especially at night. I hang in Westlands when I go to Nairobi. Mombasa is hot and humid. Also, although Mombasa is a city, people refer to the entire coast as "Mombasa". I moved from Western highlands and living in Malindi for now.

Whatever platform you use to get a room, to be safe, book for two. Only the higher end hotels will require her to have an ID. Most wont care.

Set up Wise and WorldRemit (as a backup) before you travel then go straight to Safaricom and set up mPesa mobile money upon arrival. The convenience, exchange rates and safety for accessing funds is a huge factor why I live in Kenya.

Lessons I have to continually learn the hard way:

1) Don't be generous. It works the opposite of what you intend it to and will harm you rather than help you. They expect more once you show generosity. Seriously, it's like feeding dangerous wildlife. They all eventually steal.

2) They all lie for no reason even if the truth is to their benefit.

3) It's actually harder to rid yourself of her than it is to find her and she's very easy to find. Dont talk money. She wont talk money but know that she absolutely wants money and its why she’s with you. But, if she wants to invite a friend, nothing good will come of it. Assume she's not into you and you're a game to her.

[Radical Guy]

Just returned from a Pattaya trip. Feeling a bit unsatisfied and burnt out from mongering in Thailand. (Two reports were made; warning. I'm quite introverted and so my reports were not necessarily typical). Oddly enough my best session was with an African girl. So I've plotted to go to the source and have a trip tentatively planned for Nairobi in February. Just a few questions:

1. Are hotels or AirBnBs best for Kenya? Are both fairly easy to bring back guests? Do you have to sign in your guests and have them leave their IDs like in Thailand? If I were to go for an Airbnb, should I ask the guest prior if I can bring back girls or would I be fine just bringing them back without informing the host?

2. For say a week's vacation, would it be best to stay in Nairobi for the entire week or would it be feasible to spend at least a few days in Mombasa?

3. Are girls on apps (tinder, Badoo, tagged) easy to get to agree to a pay for play arrangement? Or is it a soft arrangement where you're better for not talking payment and just giving them money in the morning? Are you expected to go through the whole Song and dance of flirting or is it fine to be upfront with expected arrangements (I. E. I'll pay you for an hour or fun)?

Personally, I prefer Mombasa. Flights on Kenya Airways are cheap between Nairobi and Mombasa. I don't know about Airbnb in Nairobi, but I've used them a lot on Mombasa. I've never had a host ask for my lady's ID. As for Tinder, Badoo, etc. , I NEVER talk about pay for play. But you'll be a rock star in Kenya. Girls there will just spread their legs at the drop of a hat, especially if you're white. Just treat them well, take 'them for dinner / drinks, and they will fuck your brains out. Girls don't like to feel like prostitutes, even if they're hoping for a bit of remuneration in the morning.

RG.

[BPalacio]

Just returned from a Pattaya trip. Feeling a bit unsatisfied and burnt out from mongering in Thailand. (Two reports were made; warning. I'm quite introverted and so my reports were not necessarily typical). Oddly enough my best session was with an African girl. So I've plotted to go to the source and have a trip tentatively planned for Nairobi in February. Just a few questions:

1. Are hotels or AirBnBs best for Kenya? Are both fairly easy to bring back guests? Do you have to sign in your guests and have them leave their IDs like in Thailand? If I were to go for an Airbnb, should I ask the guest prior if I can bring back girls or would I be fine just bringing them back without informing the host?

2. For say a week's vacation, would it be best to stay in Nairobi for the entire week or would it be feasible to spend at least a few days in Mombasa?

3. Are girls on apps (tinder, Badoo, tagged) easy to get to agree to a pay for play arrangement? Or is it a soft arrangement where you're better for not talking payment and just giving them money in the morning? Are you expected to go through the whole Song and dance of flirting or is it fine to be upfront with expected arrangements (I. E. I'll pay you for an hour or fun)?

[Tacoma101]

Well, of course they assume that all white people are "rich," which is a very low bar by Kenyan standards. But they are pretty much "normal" girls, not professional working girls. For example, one girl is a just-graduated nursing student. She actually had me on camera watching her graduation, so I know that's not fake. The only money I sent her I volunteered, so she could get a depo shot at a nearby clinic. She even sent me a copy of the invoice without my asking for it. (The price for the shot was 2,800 shillings, peanuts as far as I'm concerned.).

I wasn't born yesterday. I know that none of these girls are virgins, which I wouldn't want anyway. I simply have no interest in the over P4 P mentality. I prefer the illusion of a real girlfriend experience.

I travel the world with your same mindset! Well done! We are unicorns, sir! But we are unicorns with a TON of very unique stories.

[Mzungunairobi]

I am looking for some good daytime fun in Nairobi. Ideally incall so that I don't have to provide the room. Any thoughts on massage parlors or other options near Ngong / Kilimani / Hurlingham?