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  1. #472

    the right way

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesekiels
    Fine, gentlemen, from now on let's not pay more than 300-500 KHS for any Kenyan girl in order to avoid (child) prostitution, AIDS and so on! :) I am most curious if that works out! :)

    Cheers!

    Hesekiels
    Why will pay double than kenya mans. Not so bad I think. Agry.? Not to low end not to high. In Europ why can aet only Big-mac for 500kes. Why must try the middle way.

  2. #471

    side effects

    Quote Originally Posted by Guyt2007

    "1 night with a mzungu = 1 week salary" means we will promote ladies to do this job. Doing this job will have many bad side effects like AIDS, Child prostitution, and so on. So, pls, think also about this.

    Fine, gentlemen, from now on let's not pay more than 300-500 KHS for any Kenyan girl in order to avoid (child) prostitution, AIDS and so on! :) I am most curious if that works out! :)

    Cheers!


    Hesekiels

  3. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by Guyt2007
    I see, it's a long discussion but i have to say, Willyboy is right. My opinion.

    Of course everyone can pay the amount he wants, but i think we should also respect normal working people...

    "1 night with a mzungu = 1 week salary" means we will promote ladies to do this job. Doing this job will have many bad side effects like AIDS, Child prostitution, and so on. So, pls, think also about this.
    Aids and child prostitution etc is not promoted by paying malayas much money. Its promoted by things such as poverty, rising costs of living, joblessness and ignorance.

    If a malaya gets say 10,000/= for one night sex, Chances are she will not go looking for mzungus for another two weeks unless she is greedy. If you pay her 500/= then she wll be back on the streets the next day.

    Most girls i know do not like being a malaya, bearing the cold nights, proud and haughty attitudes of men etc etc. They do it because they have little in the way of alternatives to make ends meet. Give them enough money every month to meet their daily needs and i guarantee at least 80% of the girls will leave the trade.

    BTW the market is already spoilt. Lines have already been drawn. Mzungus pay xxxxx amount, locals pay xxxxx amount. If the likes of Willy boy would really like to avoid 'spoiling the market' let them and all other Mzungu mongerers stop coming to kenya. This way the girls will either have to lower their expectations or leave prostitution all together (get married, start selling tomatoes etc etc). Otherwise if you are a Mzungu do not feel offended if the girls expect more from you than from a local. It will usually translate into better service to you than to a local who pays less (unless its their boyfriend in which case she may even pay him....).

  4. #469
    Quote Originally Posted by Guyt2007
    I see, it's a long discussion but i have to say, Willyboy is right. My opinion.

    Of course everyone can pay the amount he wants, but i think we should also respect normal working people...

    "1 night with a mzungu = 1 week salary" means we will promote ladies to do this job. Doing this job will have many bad side effects like AIDS, Child prostitution, and so on. So, pls, think also about this.
    Congrats ! You just found the way to get rid of prostitution , a problem which has befuddled politicians for the last 4,000 years !!

    To fight the rapidly accelerating decay of the social fabric of this country, the responsible thing to do then seems to offer the girl a max of KES 50 per hour (2000/week/40 hrs), right ? At least until such time that the government has woken up and introduce legislation to establish a maximum price for sexual services .

    ( Never mind that 2000 per week is on the high side - my domestics get 1000 and know they do comparatively well - and that the typical work week here is more like 60 hrs).

  5. #468
    Quote Originally Posted by LustyHombre
    I never negotiate the "fee" beforehand. I only do the deed with girls whom I have invested some effort in to establish sexual sizzle first and then let events unfold themselves.

    Even though I have encountered like " Is that all you think I am worth? " after I put 2k or so in her purse, I am quite sure I end up paying more than most any of you hardnosed negotiators would, but I have lots of fun and that's all that matters to me.
    Exactly my MO in Nairobi. Nothing but great experiences :)

    Loso

  6. #467

    Opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by Willyboy
    One night togetter with Mzungu.

    More than one week salary. From normal worker. Not so bad.
    I see, it's a long discussion but i have to say, Willyboy is right. My opinion.

    Of course everyone can pay the amount he wants, but i think we should also respect normal working people...

    "1 night with a mzungu = 1 week salary" means we will promote ladies to do this job. Doing this job will have many bad side effects like AIDS, Child prostitution, and so on. So, pls, think also about this.

  7. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by Willyboy
    One night togetter with Mzungu.

    More than one week salary. From normal worker. Not so bad.
    I see, it's a long discussion but i have to say, Willyboy is right. My opinion.

    Of course everyone can pay the amount he wants, but i think we should also respect normal working people...

    "1 night with a mzungu = 1 week salary" means we will promote ladies to do this job. Doing this job will have many bad side effects like AIDS, Child prostitution, and so on. So, pls, think also about this.

  8. #465

    Week salary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesekiels
    Interracial:

    yes, "... they may treat you ..."! However, after more than 20 years in various African countries I can assure you that I never ever got a "local treatment"! And the so called "girlfriends" never served me for free, instead at the end of the day they became even more costly than pro's! Again, as a mzungu I consider 2000 KHS for LT "fair", even if locals would pay only 500 KHS. IMHO of course!

    Cheers!

    Hesekiels
    One night togetter with Mzungu.

    More than one week salary. From normal worker. Not so bad.

  9. #464

    Again about rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Interracial
    If you know the local price you can stand your ground and see what happens. Some will give in but then they may treat you just like a local!
    Interracial:

    yes, "... they may treat you ..."! However, after more than 20 years in various African countries I can assure you that I never ever got a "local treatment"! And the so called "girlfriends" never served me for free, instead at the end of the day they became even more costly than pro's! Again, as a mzungu I consider 2000 KHS for LT "fair", even if locals would pay only 500 KHS. IMHO of course!

    Cheers!

    Hesekiels

  10. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by Interracial
    If you know the local price you can stand your ground and see what happens. Some will give in but then they may treat you just like a local!
    This whole discussion about price is getting quite pointless!

    What Interacial suggests is that the girls have 2 sets of prices: a lower one for locals and a higher one for foreigners. If that were so, and if the girl is half smart and good looking and/or otherwise attractive, would it not be reasonable to expect her to concentrate on hang-outs frequented by foreigners and then offer herself at the higher price to all comers?

    What she might end up accepting, out of desperation after a fruitless hunt, is likely to be less than what she wants originally, but that's a different story altogether.

    If a girl thinks she is worth X and I bargain her down to X minus something, I'd be concerned that she would lower her service level to whatever she thinks is appropriate for that reduced price (abbreviated 4play, no kissing, no BBBJ etc.)

    I never negotiate the "fee" beforehand. I only do the deed with girls whom I have invested some effort in to establish sexual sizzle first and then let events unfold themselves.

    Even though I have encountered like " Is that all you think I am worth? " after I put 2k or so in her purse, I am quite sure I end up paying more than most any of you hardnosed negotiators would, but I have lots of fun and that's all that matters to me.

  11. #462
    If you know the local price you can stand your ground and see what happens. Some will give in but then they may treat you just like a local!

  12. #461

    rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Interracial
    [I say you're both right. The crap is when you pay too high a price and you do NOT know the local price,,,and that's for anything, not just sex. As long as you know what the locals pay, they can't lie to you and you can decide what to pay without feeling you got ripped off. QUOTE=LustyHombre]
    [/QUOTE]


    Well, indeed good to know what locals pay, but nevertheless somehow pointless for us since mzungus simply will not get this or a similar rate - agreed??? However, I second Lusty Hombre's statement!

    Cheers!


    Hesekiels

  13. #460

    To everybody

    Quote Originally Posted by Interracial
    [I say you're both right. The crap is when you pay too high a price and you do NOT know the local price,,,and that's for anything, not just sex. As long as you know what the locals pay, they can't lie to you and you can decide what to pay without feeling you got ripped off. QUOTE=LustyHombre]How many more times do we need to read this kind of crap ??

    Dogboy and Willyboy and whoever else is out there looking for the ultimate low cost fuck : Good Luck to you - and I mean this sincerely !

    What I don't understand is why you feel the need to try and dictate to others how much they pay for whatever pleasure they are after .

    Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
    Pay wath you want for girls. In cola schop stay. One bottle is 16kes. Why to pay more. If you will do it. Do it. It is not my money.

  14. #459

    The beauty of conflict..I think you're both right

    [I say you're both right. The crap is when you pay too high a price and you do NOT know the local price,,,and that's for anything, not just sex. As long as you know what the locals pay, they can't lie to you and you can decide what to pay without feeling you got ripped off. QUOTE=LustyHombre]How many more times do we need to read this kind of crap ??

    Dogboy and Willyboy and whoever else is out there looking for the ultimate low cost fuck : Good Luck to you - and I mean this sincerely !

    What I don't understand is why you feel the need to try and dictate to others how much they pay for whatever pleasure they are after .

    Different strokes for different folks, I guess.[/QUOTE]

  15. #458
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy1
    Lads

    never more than 500 ks , thats the max anymore that take you as mugs , be clever reduce the price , if you like the girl take to dinner or on safrai , But never more than 500ks local guys pay 200ks , They will take you for all the money in your wallet , they respect you more if you show you value money , 2500 is a months wages there .
    How many more times do we need to read this kind of crap ??

    Dogboy and Willyboy and whoever else is out there looking for the ultimate low cost fuck : Good Luck to you - and I mean this sincerely !

    What I don't understand is why you feel the need to try and dictate to others how much they pay for whatever pleasure they are after .

    Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

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