Mombasa

[Taurus1]

Some of the recently made arguments, permit me to say, are just silly.

How can you argue a logical relationship between the hourly wage of a flower picker and that of a sex worker? (Remember " equal pay for work of equal value" in the futile discussions to erase the pay differential between supposedly male and female job categories? )

How can you try to argue that scouting for the best price of a commodity (whether it's a loaf of bread or Viagra doesn't matter) is illogical for somebody who doesn't mind paying upmarket prices for SW's?

Clearly defined Market Prices only exist for traded commodities (like Brent Crude or Pork Bellies). Personal Services (like sexwork provided by independents outside of an organized setting like a brothel) don't have market prices as such bcs that market is far too opaque to measure it accurately. Rather we should deal with price ranges starting at maybe 200 for ST in Kongowea and Mwtapa (as I have been told by my gardener) and going to 1500 and beyond at Big Tree and similar environments.

Sometimes, you discover hidden value beyond expectation; Often you meet disappointment; But there is always the excitement of The Hunt!

The

Electing you try to establish

Bcompare the value yThe market price is the composite of the price of many individual transactions. The more transactions are reported, the better the accuracy.

Of the true average nn more.

I don't understand exactly to whom you are directed and what you mean
with your invervention. Your debate about "market prices" is a pure
semantic one. The prices I have stated are based on information from
several expats and also girls. It is a bon mot in Mombasa that the
tariff is "elfu moja shillingi" and this LT since is obvious you pick her
up in the night from the bar or disco. So there is a general consense
about this prices. Of course the girls try to increase it and get this
on the high season or when they get greenhorns who pay more.
So sex is also in a certain way a commodity as offer and demand are
ruling. This are the prices in the Muzungu pick-up joints and in Mtwapa
where a Muzungu is approched by a lot of beautiful girls, or he can
easily approach them.

The prices of Kongoweah, Kibera, etc. have no relevance, who
wants to go to these places? And also it is clear that a dweller of
Bombolulu, the place where a lot of girls are living, gets cheaper sex than
us with the same girls.

You state the girls at Big Tree and I suppose you mean also Cheers
ask 1500 and beyond. But this are mostly the same girls you find
in Mtwapa, and in Bamburi there are a lot of hardened *****s while
in Mtwapa you have the nicer girls and more selection. Big Tree is
mostly good for the beach. And the hunt is also more interesting in Mtwapa.
To search for the diamond go to Casablanca.

The link between the salary of a worker, waiter/waitress to the fee
to a working girl is relevant to avoid explotation of the working girls.
When the hourly wage of a worker is 20 KES and a sexworker gets
500 Kes + maybe incentives etc. for short term, then there is no explotation
of the sexual worker. From my side there is no interest to exploit and
humiliate the girls. This prices are not oppressive for the girls and very
reasonable for us.
Of course, as you stated, in a sexual relationship you have also
emotions and than a lot changes with the GFE. But the standard
prices of working girls help you to make the budget of the money
you spend on the girl. You are not rewarded by the the girls if you are gullible and loose control.

I agree with you, that the most important is to have a good time.

[Willyboy]

Some of the recently made arguments, permit me to say, are just silly.

How can you argue a logical relationship between the hourly wage of a flower picker and that of a sex worker? (Remember " equal pay for work of equal value" in the futile discussions to erase the pay differential between supposedly male and female job categories? )

How can you try to argue that scouting for the best price of a commodity (whether it's a loaf of bread or Viagra doesn't matter) is illogical for somebody who doesn't mind paying upmarket prices for SW's?

Clearly defined Market Prices only exist for traded commodities (like Brent Crude or Pork Bellies). Personal Services (like sexwork provided by independents outside of an organized setting like a brothel) don't have market prices as such bcs that market is far too opaque to measure it accurately. Rather we should deal with price ranges starting at maybe 200 for ST in Kongowea and Mwtapa (as I have been told by my gardener) and going to 1500 and beyond at Big Tree and similar environments.

Sometimes, you discover hidden value beyond expectation; Often you meet disappointment; But there is always the excitement of The Hunt!

The

Electing you try to establish

Bcompare the value yThe market price is the composite of the price of many individual transactions. The more transactions are reported, the better the accuracy.

Of the true average nn more.

The price of services and goods is the price paid for the fool, there is no other explanation

[Kampala3030]

I think this discussion has reached a conclusion.

My basic objection is that while one might seek services off working girls it seems very odd to despise them as WGs and as women, which is the impression I get from WB. The comments about price etc seem to come down to a game of wits between a WG trying to maximise her income and a punter trying to minimise his expenditure while both starting from very unequal positions.

And from a practical viewpoint you might save money but you're guaranteed to get a poor service.

And so what if a girl thinks I'm green or an idiot its about ME having a good time, isn't it?

Hence the haggling down to as little as possible. Opebo in the Thailand threads, of course, has a different opinion.

I am very happy that in this forum. One man. With lot of expiriments. Same if my.

[LustyHombre]

Some of the recently made arguments, permit me to say, are just silly.

How can you argue a logical relationship between the hourly wage of a flower picker and that of a sex worker? (Remember " equal pay for work of equal value" in the futile discussions to erase the pay differential between supposedly male and female job categories? )

How can you try to argue that scouting for the best price of a commodity (whether it's a loaf of bread or Viagra doesn't matter) is illogical for somebody who doesn't mind paying upmarket prices for SW's?

Clearly defined Market Prices only exist for traded commodities (like Brent Crude or Pork Bellies). Personal Services (like sexwork provided by independents outside of an organized setting like a brothel) don't have market prices as such bcs that market is far too opaque to measure it accurately. Rather we should deal with price ranges starting at maybe 200 for ST in Kongowea and Mwtapa (as I have been told by my gardener) and going to 1500 and beyond at Big Tree and similar environments.

Sometimes, you discover hidden value beyond expectation; Often you meet disappointment; But there is always the excitement of The Hunt!

The

Electing you try to establish

Bcompare the value yThe market price is the composite of the price of many individual transactions. The more transactions are reported, the better the accuracy.

Of the true average nn more.

[Willyboy]

Kampala 3030, I agree more with Williboy, the price system for girls in Mombasa is correlative to the low wages in overall Kenya. You state, one hour sex in Mombasa is well worth 2000 KES, meanwhile a woman working in the flower farms in Naivasha earns 50 KES (yes! Fifty KES) per working day of 10 hours. Very hard work within pesticides. Also other hard working people as construction workers etc. Earn 4000. 5000 KES per month.

The standard price for expats on low season is 500 KES ST and 1000 KES LT. Normally the girls get incentives for good performance as upto 500 KES tip, sometimes matatu money, a good meal and drinks at the home of the man, drinks or a meal outside. The people of the girls scene know each other and normally the girls and the clients are interested in a good relationship beyond the pure sex, so the girls get some drinks and also some little cash help from time to time.

On the other side a lot of girls and punters want a longer relationship (GFE experience) so the 1000 KES fee per day is reasonable. The girls get additionally, food, drinks, transportation. Pocket money, travel expenses, clothes, cosmetics and perhaps other presents for catering longer time for the punter. The Kenyan girls are very good in providing GFE. And they aprreciate the good life. There is also hope to continue the relationship with the Muzungu and that he sind some money from Europe. There are also Muzungu that buy cars and houses.

Other girls want a stable relationship with a resident Muzungu (often old retiree), but also here the get food, housing etc. But only small cash.

On high season the prices stated of 500 ST and 1000 LT increase to 800. 1000 ST and 2000 LT, for beautiful girls upto 3000 LT. Maybe more for the real stunners who are now on the upper side and let feel you that. For me it's funny and I do not get angry because the girl is on the winner side. It is a game, the girl try to maximize and you to cut the expenses and at the long term you must cut otherwise you would go bankrupt. This is also a reason to keep the entry price low, in order to pya the additional expenses that are necessary to fuel the GFE experience (clothes, outdoor activities).

Imagine, Kampala 3030, on low season you are at Casuarina, a local gets a girl for 500 KES LT and you pay 2000 KES short term. The girl supposes you are a greenhorn and if you pay intentionally so much she thinks you are extremely rich or an idiot. In the neighbourhoods the same girls cost 200 KES. You cannot double the low season prices otherwise you double also the high season prices. This fact you have already on the short term accomodation in Bamburi, prices up, quality down.

If the price level doubles as you suggest the girls drink more, have more boyfriends-pimps, the socalled NO-LIMITS, the police would have also a part of the cake, more crime and then farewell good times in Mombasa.

The prices stated above are the bottom and I believe that most of us that had very good experiences in Mombasa have paid more. And it is a good thing to be generous to them who have made you enjoy a good time. The girls know that so they take care of us.

I am very happy that in this forum. One man. With lot of expiriments. Same if my.

[Member #4364]

Gentlemen; i´m in Mombasa North in july; 4 weeks. Is somebody there ?
There are so many girls and since this economy crisis; furthermore the
security situation in whole africa, the payment for the girls is my smallest
problem, i only take a visitor for a few hours; not the whole night; so 1000 ksh
was welcome.

Cheers

[Taurus1]

Willy,

I was discussing market prices. The market price for a girl in Mombasa ST is about 1, 000. Before the troubles it was 2, 000. I push it their pocket. They do not ask for more. I would suggest punters pay 2, 000 per bang.

Plus, your maths is a bit fucked up. OK a girl can get 2, 000 for one hour with a man, but that does not include the costs of looking nice, transport, a beer if no-one obliges, what is borrowed between girls and the hours spent in the bars leaving your kid at home and scouting for a punter, and always the prospect of returning home with nothing or 100 bob from a jungu who insists on no condom. I'd imagine on an hourly basis its not that great a business, especially given you can be pushed out by younger, fitter, healthier and more sober competition with a few short years, and especially since last Christmas and the punters stopped coming.

It is in short, tasteless to push the prices down and rely on short term desperation of both WGs and Taxi drivers. But that's Africa, hey?

But it is fine to know what the market rate is before you go to a place.

And that was my point.

Kampala 3030, I agree more with Williboy, the price system for girls in
Mombasa is correlative to the low wages in overall Kenya. You state,
one hour sex in Mombasa is well worth 2000 KES, meanwhile a woman
working in the flower farms in Naivasha earns 50 KES (yes! fifty KES)
per working day of 10 hours. Very hard work within pesticides.
Also other hard working people as construction workers etc. earn 4000 - 5000
KES per month.
The standard price for expats on low season is 500 KES ST and 1000 KES
LT. Normally the girls get incentives for good performance as upto 500 KES
tip, sometimes matatu money, a good meal and drinks at the home of
the man , drinks or a meal outside. The people of the girls scene know
each other and normally the girls and the clients are interested in a good
relationship beyond the pure sex, so the girls get some drinks and also
some little cash help from time to time.
On the other side a lot of girls and punters want a longer relationship
(GFE experience) so the 1000 KES fee per day is reasonable. The
girls get additionally,food, drinks, transportation. pocket money, travel expenses, clothes, cosmetics and perhaps other presents for catering
longer time for the punter. The Kenyan girls are very good in providing
GFE. And they aprreciate the good life. There is also hope to continue
the relationship with the Muzungu and that he sind some money from
Europe. There are also Muzungu that buy cars and houses.
Other girls want a stable relationship with a resident Muzungu (often
old retiree), but also here the get food, housing etc. but only small cash.


On high season the prices stated of 500 ST and 1000 LT increase to
800 - 1000 ST and 2000 LT, for beautiful girls upto 3000 LT. Maybe
more for the real stunners who are now on the upper side and let
feel you that. For me it's funny and I do not get angry because the
girl is on the winner side. It is a game, the girl try to maximize and
you to cut the expenses and at the long term you must cut otherwise you
would go bankrupt. This is also a reason to keep the entry price low,
in order to pya the additional expenses that are necessary to fuel the
GFE experience (clothes, outdoor activities).
Imagine, Kampala 3030, on low season you are at Casuarina, a local gets
a girl for 500 KES LT and you pay 2000 KES short term. The girl supposes
you are a greenhorn and if you pay intentionally so much she thinks you are
extremely rich or an idiot. In the neighbourhoods the same girls cost 200
KES. You cannot double the low season prices otherwise you double
also the high season prices. This fact you have already on the short
term accomodation in Bamburi, prices up, quality down.

If the price level doubles as you suggest the girls drink more, have more
boyfriends-pimps, the socalled NO-LIMITS, the police would have also
a part of the cake, more crime and then farewell good times in Mombasa.

The prices stated above are the bottom and I believe that most of us
that had very good experiences in Mombasa have paid more. And it is
a good thing to be generous to them who have made you enjoy a good
time. The girls know that so they take care of us.

[Kampala3030]

Willy,

I was discussing market prices. The market price for a girl in Mombasa ST is about 1, 000. Before the troubles it was 2, 000. I push it their pocket. They do not ask for more. I would suggest punters pay 2, 000 per bang.

Plus, your maths is a bit fucked up. OK a girl can get 2, 000 for one hour with a man, but that does not include the costs of looking nice, transport, a beer if no-one obliges, what is borrowed between girls and the hours spent in the bars leaving your kid at home and scouting for a punter, and always the prospect of returning home with nothing or 100 bob from a jungu who insists on no condom. I'd imagine on an hourly basis its not that great a business, especially given you can be pushed out by younger, fitter, healthier and more sober competition with a few short years, and especially since last Christmas and the punters stopped coming.

It is in short, tasteless to push the prices down and rely on short term desperation of both WGs and Taxi drivers. But that's Africa, hey?

But it is fine to know what the market rate is before you go to a place.

And that was my point.

Also this man write about push down prices. Not for girls but for taxi. For girls it can by never enough but for viagra or taxi. O noooo

Local pick up joints include in daily order, Big Tree for early afternoon, Cheers for the afternoon and evening and Tembo or Causaurina at nightime (after 9 to 10pm). There are more local options in Mtwapa. Taxi guys know where all these places are. Don't' pay more than 2-300 for a ride around Bamburi tho, and I'm sure I even got ripped off with these prices.

Look somethimes wath you was writing in your rapports bifore.

[Willyboy]

For girls Hi will pay the asking price end more. But for originel viagra. Than Hi try to find alnernatif to push down the price.

I have been using generic Viagra since '07 (preferred brand: Vega 100) bcs I find it every bit as effective as the real thing. Added bonus: Vega doesn't cause me any head flush which I usually experience using Vitamin V.

The 4pak blister is 1,000 at the pharmacy in the Nakumatt Nyali complex but only 400 in Mombasa whereas Viagra goes for about 3, 800 everywhere.

To my knowledge, there is no generic Cialis being sold in Kenya.

Also this man write about push down prices. Not for girls but for taxi. For girls it can by never enough but for viagra or taxi. O noooo

Local pick up joints include in daily order, Big Tree for early afternoon, Cheers for the afternoon and evening and Tembo or Causaurina at nightime (after 9 to 10pm). There are more local options in Mtwapa. Taxi guys know where all these places are. Don't' pay more than 2-300 for a ride around Bamburi tho, and I'm sure I even got ripped off with these prices.

Look somethimes wath you was writing in your rapports bifore.

[Willyboy]

I got a PM from another member which went like this:

"Laern This. Schort thime in Big Tree is 500. Laern that ladies in hairdressalons have 5000 KES/Month "

My answer is: My first priority is quality (in terms of looks and demeanor and "chemistry" which will hopefully lead to a memorable sexual experience. (Unfortunately, the stunners often turn out to be duds between the sheets, but that doesn't prevent me from keeping on trying. Every now and then I find one, and that makes all the other wasted efforts worthwhile).

In light of what I am used to paying from back home the going prices in Kenya are dirt cheap for me, and I gladly pay what she asks for, and maybe more, IF I have a superb experience.

I think I would lose my last bit of selfrespect altogether if I would try to negotatiate a lower price from somebody who is in an unequal bargaining position.

To spend a 1, 000 Euro or $ to come to Kenya in order to f*ck as many 500 KES *****s as you can cram into a 10 day vacation is just beyond me.

For girls Hi will pay the asking price end more. But for originel viagra. Than Hi try to find alnernatif to push down the price.

I have been using generic Viagra since '07 (preferred brand: Vega 100) bcs I find it every bit as effective as the real thing. Added bonus: Vega doesn't cause me any head flush which I usually experience using Vitamin V.

The 4pak blister is 1,000 at the pharmacy in the Nakumatt Nyali complex but only 400 in Mombasa whereas Viagra goes for about 3, 800 everywhere.

To my knowledge, there is no generic Cialis being sold in Kenya.

[Ghost Daddy]

Hi all.

I am an occasional poster on the Nairobi and a few other threads.

Am wondering if anyone here knows what has become of a Rwandan (alleged) woman who went by the aliases of Samira/Sandrine/Sweetie??

To jostle your memory, she has gigantic pussy lips.

She used to play in Nairobi, then went off to Mombasa, where she fell off the radar.

[Willyboy]

Danke Schon

This is what I was trying to emphasize in the NBI thread. It seems some people are intent to squeeze every last drop from these poor girls. I mean, c'mon, I know locals who are happy with 1000 KES for ST yet you've got foreigners who demand a lower price because apparently X% live on less than $X per day.

That can never be parameter to price sex. I live in a UK where the minimum wage is £5.75 per hour yet I wouldn't dream of asking a pro here in the UK to charge me £5.75 for an hour session. So why should the same be applied in Kenya?

I'm a local and I I have helped some foreign mongers in Kenya when I'm around. But this Scrooge McDuck attitude is why I ignore some PMs from some of these bloodthirsty mongers.

I inform evrybody that hotelworkers have 8000kes/month. Working 12h/day.7 days weecks. End so the salery is 22kes/h. For 500kes. This person must work more than 20h for 500kes. Maby in UK pay also 20h (5, 75x20)for 1h

In many kenya shop stay. Coca cola 16kes (now is 20) WHY TO PAY MORE. I now many places in Mombasa where locals go for 200kes/one h.

In Kibera locals giving cop of milk. For st

Look adder raports. Not long thime ago about 500kes.

But many foringers try to bluf. Look howmatch money I have. In bamburu stay massage girls. For 1h massage ask 500kes (hard work) end 300kes is for te girl.200kes for oner. If I visit Kenya than I go for Kenya prices. If you want to pay like in UK. Why you pay for aircraft end hotel?

The biggest banknote from evry country is big money! My schoeclainer in Kenya.20kes (hard work) I also give him 50kes.

Many mongers now casablanca disco. Waiters have 180kes/one night from 6pm to 6am. Ofcours tipmoney. Choise, work 2 night or enjoy sex 1h

In casablanca. Rooms possibel down. Price for 1h sex 500kes end 400kes for room. I not push down prices. Girls asking this prices. Why I must pay more?

Yes. It was WILLYBOY. Hi was writer in IP system. Very low from this man to write my text in publik forum. Sorry for my bad english. I am not from UK

Many guys visit in kenya 1 or 2 thimes end thinking. I now all. I was visit 19 thimes end visit number 20. I will laern more. Never end of study in kenya to losed more money than nessesery.

[Jerulez]

I think I would lose my last bit of selfrespect altogether if I would try to negotatiate a lower price from somebody who is in an unequal bargaining position.

Danke Schon

This is what I was trying to emphasize in the NBI thread. It seems some people are intent to squeeze every last drop from these poor girls. I mean, c'mon, i know locals who are happy with 1000 KES for ST yet you've got foreigners who demand a lower price because apparently X% live on less than $X per day.

That can never be parameter to price sex. I live in a UK where the minimum wage is £5.75 per hour yet I wouldn't dream of asking a pro here in the UK to charge me £5.75 for an hour session. So why should the same be applied in Kenya?

I'm a local and I i have helped some foreign mongers in Kenya when im around. But this Scrooge McDuck attitude is why i ignore some PMs from some of these bloodthirsty mongers.

[Kampala3030]

I think we can tell which particular bitter person this is, who rapidly became a Kenyan expert in a few short holidays while taking a completely novel approach to the English language. Its not about hating women.

I agree with you LH.

I got a PM from another member which went like this:

"Laern This. Schort thime in Big Tree is 500. Laern that ladies in hairdressalons have 5000 KES/Month "

My answer is: My first priority is quality (in terms of looks and demeanor and "chemistry" which will hopefully lead to a memorable sexual experience. (Unfortunately, the stunners often turn out to be duds between the sheets, but that doesn't prevent me from keeping on trying. Every now and then I find one, and that makes all the other wasted efforts worthwhile).

In light of what I am used to paying from back home the going prices in Kenya are dirt cheap for me, and I gladly pay what she asks for, and maybe more, IF I have a superb experience.

I think I would lose my last bit of selfrespect altogether if I would try to negotatiate a lower price from somebody who is in an unequal bargaining position.

To spend a 1, 000 Euro or $ to come to Kenya in order to f*ck as many 500 KES *****s as you can cram into a 10 day vacation is just beyond me.

[LustyHombre]

I got a PM from another member which went like this:

"Laern This. Schort thime in Big Tree is 500. Laern that ladies in hairdressalons have 5000 KES/Month "

My answer is: My first priority is quality (in terms of looks and demeanor and "chemistry" which will hopefully lead to a memorable sexual experience. (Unfortunately, the stunners often turn out to be duds between the sheets, but that doesn't prevent me from keeping on trying. Every now and then I find one, and that makes all the other wasted efforts worthwhile).

In light of what I am used to paying from back home the going prices in Kenya are dirt cheap for me, and I gladly pay what she asks for, and maybe more, IF I have a superb experience.

I think I would lose my last bit of selfrespect altogether if I would try to negotatiate a lower price from somebody who is in an unequal bargaining position.

To spend a 1, 000 Euro or $ to come to Kenya in order to f*ck as many 500 KES *****s as you can cram into a 10 day vacation is just beyond me.