Mombasa

[Mombie75]

Kenya does a 5 year multiple entry visa for Americans.

[Slowalk]

I looked up the Retirement Visa. I just copied it from the government site. It's called the Class K: (Ordinary residents)
I just go to Uganda after 3 or 5 months as part of my Visa Run routine then.

For Americans, TZ issues only a 90 D multiple entry visa good for 1 year for $100.

Total cost of visa for 1 year is $152 - $202.

3 M - $51 KE.

2 M. Free KE.

3 M - $100 TZ OR 3 M $50 UG.

3 M - $51 KE.

2 M. Free KE OR 1 M free TZ.

There's travel and housing costs to consider.

[AttilaTheHun]

Be careful. There's fixers and "fixers". I know people paid for a good looking (fake) residence permit 3000 euros. These idiots are the laughing stock on coast. Talk to a knowledgeable old Retiree. Pay him a few beers. Groom your contacts. If he likes you he will spill the beans. Did I ever use a fixer. NO. What for? I do my own due diligence and my own research. And believe me. That takes years. I trust nobody unless proven otherwise. For me it's simple. I have contacts in immigration. No need for a fixer. The whole of Africa is full of (also white) scammers. There's a standard tariff of 20.000 to 25.000 KES. It's perfectly legal illegallity. A stamp alone is not enough. They stamp you out as having virtually left the country. That includes entry in the computer database. New eVisa and new entry stamp. And voil you have another 5 months.

Mwalimu.

I looked up the Retirement Visa. I just copied it from the government site. It's called the Class K: (Ordinary residents) retirement Visa.

"Documentary proof of annual assured income of at least USD 24,000 of own rightful and at free disposal from other sources other than employment, occupation, trade, business, or profession.

Income that is derived from sources outside Kenya remitted as pension or annuity.

Fee: Processing- Kshs. 10,000 non-refundable. Issuance- Kshs. 100,000 per year".

It cost $665 per year plus the $66 processing fee! That's over $730 per year. Maybe better just do the visa runs. "visa for 3 months for $51 then a free extension for 2 more" as per Slowalk.

I just go to Uganda after 3 or 5 months as part of my Visa Run routine then.

[AttilaTheHun]

Forget these Expat life style sites. They just want to make money by selling you information. I'm not an Expat. An Expat is someone who has a cushy job with an NGO Embassy or international Organization or mining company. They make 100.000 Dollar plus a year. They typically don't know fuck ALL about the country they live in. They re paying typically a couple of 1000 dollars in rent alone. They also have ZERO clue how to obtain a residence permit. Why? The organization fixes everything for them. They live in a parallel universe. If you want to know what's going on talk to real residents or retirees who are married and live since decades there. They're the best source of information.

Mwalimu.

What you just described is a OW (overseas worker) Expats are those who retired on Social security and pensions in a foreign country, the expatriated folks. For example, in the Philippines, it's common knowledge that the average expat lives on about $1400-$1500 per month. And that also happens to be the average social security payments for most Americans. Where I came from (USA), that's the meaning of an expat. The American dude Alex Zaves who runs the "Madagascar Expat Lifestyle" also his own very informative personal FB, retired in Madagascar and married to a local woman also they have kids together. I received some good sensible advice from them in the past, (rent prices and English proficiency related) and never been solicited or pressured to or targeted to sell me anything. He updates his FB with good info about current events. It seems to be good quality. He comes across as boots on the ground!

[Neddy69]

So basically, a fixer would take care of the stamp and the new visa for me without ever leaving. Thanks for the info.

Be careful. There's fixers and "fixers". I know people paid for a good looking (fake) residence permit 3000 euros. These idiots are the laughing stock on coast. Talk to a knowledgeable old Retiree. Pay him a few beers. Groom your contacts. If he likes you he will spill the beans. Did I ever use a fixer. NO. What for? I do my own due diligence and my own research. And believe me. That takes years. I trust nobody unless proven otherwise. For me it's simple. I have contacts in immigration. No need for a fixer. The whole of Africa is full of (also white) scammers. There's a standard tariff of 20.000 to 25.000 KES. It's perfectly legal illegallity. A stamp alone is not enough. They stamp you out as having virtually left the country. That includes entry in the computer database. New eVisa and new entry stamp. And voilà you have another 5 months.

Mwalimu.

[Neddy69]

Yes I am, Welcome brother! Yes, the story of Count Benyovsky of Madagascar and the big game hunters from Hungary are fascinating. However, the Magyarab: Africa's Lost Hungarian Tribe in Sudan takes the cake for me. https://youtu.be/J-er3THRd8Q?si=_zYOMuGza-nS4GCe.

Who wants to start his own tribe in Africa?

We ARE an own tribe in Kenya. Called the Wazungu. An African knows only tribal system. Actually the Indian community got themselves recognized as tribe. That means they have right to representation in the Kenyan parliament.

A thanks. For the book.

I found crazy stories. Lots of Greeks used to live in Katanga. There's a sizeable Greek community and a cemetery in Dar es Salaam füare example.

[Neddy69]

You may want to look up "Madagascar Expat Lifestyle" on FB and join it. It's run by an American from New York. Post your questions and he and the members will answer them.

Forget these Expat life style sites. They just want to make money by selling you information. I'm not an Expat. An Expat is someone who has a cushy job with an NGO Embassy or international Organization or mining company. They make 100.000 Dollar plus a year. They typically don't know fuck ALL about the country they live in. They re paying typically a couple of 1000 dollars in rent alone. They also have ZERO clue how to obtain a residence permit. Why? The organization fixes everything for them. They live in a parallel universe. If you want to know what's going on talk to real residents or retirees who are married and live since decades there. They're the best source of information.

Mwalimu.

[Neddy69]

Needy, Which would be the monthly income needed to live in Mada, I mean correct life not too root?

Depends on your life style. Rent can be expensive. But as ballpark with 1000 $ a month you live well in 100 countries on this planet. Can you go lower. Absolutely. 700 $ or less is possible. Depending on your life style and city. One caveat. Have at least 30.000 $ cash for health emergencies. Have passive income. To get a job in Madagascar or any African country is a pipe dream for 99%. And work in paradise. No f. G way.

Mwalimu.

[Slowalk]

So basically, a fixer would take care of the stamp and the new visa for me without ever leaving. Thanks for the info.

You get a visa for 3 months for $51 then a free extension for 2 more. I'm always ready to get out of Kenya by the end of the 5 months. The 'fixers" can cost you more unless you're a poor planner and it isn't exactly legal which carries its own set potential problems.

[AttilaTheHun]

Needy, Which would be the monthly income needed to live in Mada, I mean correct life not too root?

You may want to look up "Madagascar Expat Lifestyle" on FB and join it. It's run by an American from New York. Post your questions and he and the members will answer them.

[AttilaTheHun]

Get yourself a contact in Kenya so you can get your passport stamped so it looks as though you are leaving and coming back, ie doing visa runs, you never have to actually leave. A lot of Brits ex pats do this.

So basically, a fixer would take care of the stamp and the new visa for me without ever leaving. Thanks for the info.

[AttilaTheHun]

So you're ethnic Hungarian. Like me. My father came over in 1956. I know all Austro-Hungarian Explorers. History is my hobby. Yes. It's Madagascar. You won't find any info in the internet. The powers to be want it that way. The official website isn't even working. Only the initiated get a residence. And french is essential. There was another explorer. The Hungarians Poles and Czechs all claim Count Benyovsky as their own. LOL. There were also a number of Austro-Hungarian big game hunters roaming in what was back then BEA. British East Africa.

Mwalimu.

Yes I am, Welcome brother! Yes, the story of Count Benyovsky of Madagascar and the big game hunters from Hungary are fascinating. However, the Magyarab: Africa's Lost Hungarian Tribe in Sudan takes the cake for me. https://youtu.be/J-er3THRd8Q?si=_zYOMuGza-nS4GCe.

Who wants to start his own tribe in Africa?

[Carle]

Who needs a retirement Visa in Kenya? Only the super rich. I know most people live on serial tourist visa on coast. You have 3+2 months. Same in Uganda. I met people haven't left Uganda for 3 years on a tourist visa. Then a short hop over the border. Back in. There is a particular good loophole too. Become a man of any church. Religious Visa. Works in Uganda Tansania and Kenya. All Nigerian scam priests use this loophole. When in Africa do as the Africans do LOL. I agree with you from the US it's not as convenient. But for Europeans it is. There is an African country where you officially need only 500 euros retirement income a month. That's where I'll retire. But. Nobody speaks English there. English speakers have to get out of their comfort zone. For South America you have to learn Spanish and Portuguese. For Africa English and French is essential. Plus Portuguese if you want to visit Angola and Mozambique. That's the way it is..

Needy, Which would be the monthly income needed to live in Mada, I mean à correct life not too root?

[Mombie75]

I guess you're referring to Madagascar, but I wasn't able to find any info about it. 500 euros sounds interesting for the small pensioner, but French is a must there, otherwise you would feel like a "stray dog" (your words) never be able to fit in anywhere. My monthly is over $2 k, and I'm not fun of the "Visa runs" and do the "re-enter" with a new visa on arrival. I will also look into this Religious Visa, thanks. I'm not getting out of my comfort zone any longer, I'm tired and too old for that. Born and Raised in communist Eastern Europe, I already speak languages (also add mandatory Russian) and was forced to get out my zone many times. I'm an Old dog, sticking to English-speaking countries, thanks. My Luhya girls speak English and I couldn't be happier. Doing my own style of Africa pussy hunting exploration, bravened by some of my folks long before me, Count Teleki and Count Laszlo Almasy.

Get yourself a contact in Kenya so you can get your passport stamped so it looks as though you are leaving and coming back, ie doing visa runs, you never have to actually leave. A lot of Brits ex pats do this.

[Neddy69]

I guess you're referring to Madagascar, but I wasn't able to find any info about it. 500 euros sounds interesting for the small pensioner, but French is a must there, otherwise you would feel like a "stray dog" (your words) never be able to fit in anywhere. My monthly is over $2 k, and I'm not fun of the "Visa runs" and do the "re-enter" with a new visa on arrival. I will also look into this Religious Visa, thanks. I'm not getting out of my comfort zone any longer, I'm tired and too old for that. Born and Raised in communist Eastern Europe, I already speak languages (also add mandatory Russian) and was forced to get out my zone many times. I'm an Old dog, sticking to English-speaking countries, thanks. My Luhya girls speak English and I couldn't be happier. Doing my own style of Africa pussy hunting exploration, bravened by some of my folks long before me, Count Teleki and Count Laszlo Almasy.

So you're ethnic Hungarian. Like me. My father came over in 1956. I know all Austro-Hungarian Explorers. History is my hobby. Yes. It's Madagascar. You won't find any info in the internet. The powers to be want it that way. The official website isn't even working. Only the initiated get a residence. And french is essential. There was another explorer. The Hungarians Poles and Czechs all claim Count Benyovsky as their own. LOL. There were also a number of Austro-Hungarian big game hunters roaming in what was back then BEA. British East Africa.

Mwalimu.