2002-2006 East China - Shanghai

[Rob Hay]

www.viplily.com

"translators"/"guides" and part time models available for foreigners is the ad I saw...

interesting......any past users?

[Asn Dragon]

I have a similar approach like Woxiangyao.

I treat them nice and with respect and I usually get back much more than the standard service.

Although I was sure it would never happen to me, I fell for a Sauna girl recently. When I saw her in the lineup of my favorite Japanese Soapland I was in love with her at once. She was the cutest girl I had ever seen: 20 years, about 1,75 m tall and a flawless body, smiling at me like sunshine. After a great session, I went back the other day for round two. With my limited Chinese, her limited English and the help of an electronic translator, we managed to fix a date in a club on Tongren Lu at night. When she appeared in her street clothing, I liked her even more which was rather unexpected. Actually I was a bit afraid that she would look a bit 'cheap' but she was cool and stylish. Now I know how they spend their money.

Anyway, we danced the night away and from this evening on we spend 2 weeks together. At the beginning, she still worked and came to my place every night around 2 am. Boy, these days in the office were horrible, too tired to concentrate on anything. Later, she quit or at least took a one week break from her 'job' and we spend the evenings and the last weekend together. It was just great. Of course one part being the thrill of partying in the clubs and eating at the restaurants with her 'undercover'. Even in a city like Shanghai I often run into friends or colleagues and I was really concerned if they would buy my 'this is my Chinese teacher' story...
Obviously, the sex was great too. I remember waiting in front of the (still closed) Watson's in the morning because we were running out of condoms. I was the first customer and the guy in the shop couldn't help but smile at me - I was really really in a hurry.

I became really close with her, looking at pictures of her family, talking about her plans for life, etc. and I was about to loose my heart. 'Thank god' my trip was over this weekend and we had to separate. We are both not sure if we should meet again. Our lives are too different and at least for me it is too dangerous. But I keep her mobile number and who knows.

Although I had a great time these 2 weeks, I would recommend you to stay away from such kind of 'relationships', at least if you are a romantic guy like me...

On my last evening, I went to the Royal Silver Spring Sauna to get her out of my head. I was together with a real cute girl from Chengdu, but honestly I could not enjoy it and I was glad when it was over.

So finally I might get cured from all these Saunas and Soaplands and might be able to lead a normal life again? Let see what happens when I come back.

Have fun, SJ

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Dear Shanghai Jack,

Your story was very touching. However, i need to ask you, if it was real love that you experienced? Or was it Compassion in terms of sympathy, wanting to help her out of this line of work? Or was it pure lust?

I think that it's completely confusing to be involved with any of these girls on an emotional level. Perhaps it's the fact that they have been with "x" amount of guys before already. Moreover, it could also be the fact that they have a "sob" story about how they were tricked or indirectly forced into it due to difficult financial reasons.

But honestly, it's very confusing to get involved with girls in this industry, especially a sauna girl. I think that suana girls are the cream of the crop. They pick the prettiest girls, face and body wise. They even have lessons every other day on how to please their customers, what kinds of positions, where are the erogenous zones etc... So i can say that the prettiest are all at the saunas. So falling for a sauna gal is easy, but letting go is hard. It's difficult to ever find a girl of that level of beauty. In addition, it's difficult to find a chinese girl with that level of sexual experience.

So i feel for you, but honestly, it's better to step back sometimes to examine what you really like about her. I'm glad that you realized that you were falling in too deep before it was too late. My friends, more than a few, all fell in too deep and most of them came outta the relationship pretty bitter and upset.

Hope your next encounter is a good one once u hook up with her again.

By the way, iw ent to royal silver spring sauna about 2 yrs ago, when they were not open for very long, and did they provide full service? I remember it was more of a naked rub and tug place.

[Ace Gallant]

There seem to be two points of view regarding the definition of "respect" for prostitutes. One is that respect means being courteous, appreciative and kind and the other that respect means treating prostitutes like a family member, close friend at work or fiancee. Certainly the first kind of respect will always pay off in terms of better service, possible free "sessions" and eventual friendship and even marriage. It happens I have heard. However, I think the other kind of respect which would involve writing to Mom about the new girl friend or introducing her to your buddies at work is much rarer. I have come close to this second kind but never quite gotten there. The problem is that we mongers are socially in the closet and revealing that our best friend is a hooker means coming out, something that is very hard to do.

Respect is Respect. I don't think there are any difference.

Sauna girls, KTV, Hookers, SWs, BBS girls etc etc. Treat all of them with Respect at all times! Who wants to be doing these jobs if they had a choice? One must learn to respect anyone (even your enemies) because if you do not respect others, how well will you expect them to respect you? If you do not respect these girls, how well do you expect to get good service? I seen people wrote about not getting GFE, getting mechanical services from girls in Saunas, KTV etc... why? Did you take a step back and look at how you treat them?

Newton's third law: For every action there is an equals and opposite reaction. (Oh come on!!! now AG is a scientist!)

Of course I must admit, there got to be more than just respect which makes yourself attractive to the girls! Not every girl is the same. 90% hits rates based on respect is unbelievable.

Hey! These working girls are still human! They have the rights to chose, they have the rights have a bad hair day, they have the rights not the serve, they have the rights to be nice, and they have the rights to be love and to love!

"writing to Mom about the new girl friend or introducing her to your buddies at work is much rarer" is not respect, it is LOVE!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Hi guys,

Somebody know about a group a foreign womans that will stay in the city for 2 month and they do anal, orgy, triangle, ect.

They are based in Hotel. Somebody know more?

Than, there is one more foreign girl (I suppose from europe or Us)

(I dont know if from the same group) and she do only SM play.

Who know more?

Hmm....would this group be that group that I came across some time back?

My incident:

I was drinking with my regular waitress in Blue Angels six months ago; when I was approached by an middle eastern girl who came over from a table close by. There were 2 other girls at their table. My waitress seeing that I been approached by someone, did her disappearing act leaving us the talk. Ana (if I remember her name right) spoke good English.

She started by saying : "I notice you been in bar around Tong Ren Lu everynight. Seems that all the bars here knows you. We would like to know you too!"

In reply I told her that they must be regulars in Tong Ren Lu too, otherwise they would not had noticed. The conversation went on, she started speaking about sex and finally pop the question about inviting me to their place for a time of my life! At this point I asked her how many of them and the reply was many more than what I see on their table.

I did not take her up on this because it sounded more like a planned robbery or scam or totally fishy at that time. I told her that I will want a few of my gang members to come along but she said that "Than there will be less fun isn't it?" At this point I cut the conversation by saying that I have one of the waitress coming home with me after her work there.

The only difference here is She did not mentioned any thing about SM play. I did mentioned about me living in Japan for 5 years and that what push her to talk about having orgies etc.

Now that you mentioned here, it makes me wonder if these are the girls? I did bumped into them again once in Mathattan 3 months ago but had not seen them since.

AG

[South Gate]

There seem to be two points of view regarding the definition of "respect" for prostitutes. One is that respect means being courteous, appreciative and kind and the other that respect means treating prostitutes like a family member, close friend at work or fiancee. Certainly the first kind of respect will always pay off in terms of better service, possible free "sessions" and eventual friendship and even marriage. It happens I have heard. However, I think the other kind of respect which would involve writing to Mom about the new girl friend or introducing her to your buddies at work is much rarer. I have come close to this second kind but never quite gotten there. The problem is that we mongers are socially in the closet and revealing that our best friend is a hooker means coming out, something that is very hard to do.

[Shanghai Jack]

I have a similar approach like Woxiangyao.

I treat them nice and with respect and I usually get back much more than the standard service.

Although I was sure it would never happen to me, I fell for a Sauna girl recently. When I saw her in the lineup of my favorite Japanese Soapland I was in love with her at once. She was the cutest girl I had ever seen: 20 years, about 1,75 m tall and a flawless body, smiling at me like sunshine. After a great session, I went back the other day for round two. With my limited Chinese, her limited English and the help of an electronic translator, we managed to fix a date in a club on Tongren Lu at night. When she appeared in her street clothing, I liked her even more which was rather unexpected. Actually I was a bit afraid that she would look a bit 'cheap' but she was cool and stylish. Now I know how they spend their money.

Anyway, we danced the night away and from this evening on we spend 2 weeks together. At the beginning, she still worked and came to my place every night around 2 am. Boy, these days in the office were horrible, too tired to concentrate on anything. Later, she quit or at least took a one week break from her 'job' and we spend the evenings and the last weekend together. It was just great. Of course one part being the thrill of partying in the clubs and eating at the restaurants with her 'undercover'. Even in a city like Shanghai I often run into friends or colleagues and I was really concerned if they would buy my 'this is my Chinese teacher' story...
Obviously, the sex was great too. I remember waiting in front of the (still closed) Watson's in the morning because we were running out of condoms. I was the first customer and the guy in the shop couldn't help but smile at me - I was really really in a hurry.

I became really close with her, looking at pictures of her family, talking about her plans for life, etc. and I was about to loose my heart. 'Thank god' my trip was over this weekend and we had to separate. We are both not sure if we should meet again. Our lives are too different and at least for me it is too dangerous. But I keep her mobile number and who knows.

Although I had a great time these 2 weeks, I would recommend you to stay away from such kind of 'relationships', at least if you are a romantic guy like me...

On my last evening, I went to the Royal Silver Spring Sauna to get her out of my head. I was together with a real cute girl from Chengdu, but honestly I could not enjoy it and I was glad when it was over.

So finally I might get cured from all these Saunas and Soaplands and might be able to lead a normal life again? Let see what happens when I come back.

Have fun, SJ

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[Ace Gallant]

Nice story.

It opened a little bit the eyes regarding the fates of those girls. I had one former Sauna girl as a regular freebie, after she did quit her job in the Sauna, 6 years ago. We still do meet sometimes, but now, I really try hard not to fall for her again (not so easy, she still is a stunner), because she is about to become "a good girl" and to settle down, and this will not be with me.
We do talk a lot, but she never wants to talk about this sauna experience, which she describes as her life-lasting nightmare.

Levitian

Nobody likes to talk about their bad times or where they use to work would they?

My 707, No. 16 etc.. etc... Hates it when I speak to them about where they use to work. That includes freebies that were working in Office!

AG

[Round Two]

to sbastian,

to me sauna girls are perfect- as i can offer them what nobody else offers them in their line of work, . kindness and respect.

why are you so kind and offer them so much respect? i'm not trying to flame you at all as i kind of understand what you're trying to say, but at the same time i feel that there are *some* other patrons of saunas that treat the the girls *nicely*, but that does not entirely mean they actually respect them nor is it sincere. furthermore, i believe there are many others that offer a similar type of kindness and respect to these girls and they also like to call them outside of their job for sex and companionship. if these men get a big ego boost from being able to enjoy "free" sex, by all means they should write back to their parents, peers and other people that they *also* respect in this world about the great person that they have recently met up with.

to most of these girls it is a job to make money and move on as i don't think any of them walk into this profession as their ultimate career goal. they also know what the patrons are there for and mostly make the *sacrifice* to have sex with them in exchange for money--an amount that they feel they cannot generate with any other socially redeeming skill. it might not be too difficult of a sacrifice if they put things in a favorable perspective for their occupation or have self-esteem deficiencies. now, since these are people we are talking about and not machines, some will be vulnerable to a person that does not treat her like a specialized sex toy and might *enjoy* spending time outside their occupation. are these girls the type you wish to date for free casual sex by two or more consenting adults (or minors)? does it boost ones ego to date them coming from a totally different background and most likely, income bracket and favorable foreign currency exchange rates?

there are people on this forum that like to talk about their skills and charm to pickup "freebies" for casual sex--those that can pickup a beautiful and well educated femme in a non-sexworker venue can have my vote as a stud. then there are others that have wonderful girlfriends and wives that still monger--most of these men actually enjoy paying for sex as a service and consider it just that, a service such as a massage. and lastly, there are some that cannot get sex any other way, or at least they feel this way due to disfigurement, unacceptable fetishes, absolutely hideous, etc... you know who you are, and to each.. their own.

i just wanted to have people understand how others reading this forum may contrue the posts written here. maybe provide another perspective on things.

so, i now come back to a question for you.. sauna girls.. is your kindness and respect for real?

[Levitian]

Nice story.

It opened a little bit the eyes regarding the fates of those girls. I had one former Sauna girl as a regular freebie, after she did quit her job in the Sauna, 6 years ago. We still do meet sometimes, but now, I really try hard not to fall for her again (not so easy, she still is a stunner), because she is about to become "a good girl" and to settle down, and this will not be with me.
We do talk a lot, but she never wants to talk about this sauna experience, which she describes as her life-lasting nightmare.

Levitian

[Ace Gallant]

I didn't say it's immediate, nor did I say I hit every single sauna girl. I said I hit the ones that I like and can click with. If I find that I don't like the girl I don't bother- obvious enough.

I reccomended (if you like the girl and think you can score) next time bring earrings blah blah blah, smuggle something into the sauna for them. To say it clearly, follow this algorhytm.

Because of the timelag of my moderated post, I posted the heartbreak issue before AG mentioned it, it's still not up.

Like I said, no offence, this is my style, for me it works, and I like it, keeps me in perspective when I have to find a wife someday and still have the skills to pick up non working girls. I have no qualms about it. To me it's better than being someones regular at a sauna. Everythings automatic, predictable, boring.

I'm a monger with a heart and flair for romance, dan shi. Still have a heart of a monger. So sue me.

WXY

Perhaps you should also read some of the ROD which also covered the same stuff before.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=6647

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=6712

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=5349

That should cover most of what you are saying.

Enjoy!
AG

[Yankee 617]

This evening I explored the BBS's at the city-end of Wuzhong Road. As I passed by them the other day, they looked a little more upscale (less dingy) than the BBS's in the Village... so I wanted to see what they are all about.

How to get there: I took the Metro to Hongqiao station. Both Metro Line 3 and Line 4 work for this. From this station, take Exit 2 and walk straight about 20 meters where you will reach Hongqiao Road. If you cross over Hongqiao Road and walk straight, you will be following Kaixuan Road and the elevated Metro train tracks will be overhead. After a long block, you will come to Wuzhong Road. Turn right on Wuzhong Road and keep walking; a few hundred meters past the big elevated highway (Zhongshan Road) will bring you to the cluster of BBS's I explored. (Both sides of the road.)

These BBS's have some very pretty girls, but they all seem to offer only hand job service. The standard asking price for this service is 100 RMB. In most of these shops, the girls are nicely dressed in white evening gowns. A few shops offered the same hand job service for only 50 RMB, but these shops seemed a little more dingy and the girls in them were a bit older and uglier. I asked for FS, and was refused, by almost all of these shops. One shop did agree to FS for 200 RMB but this was a lower-end shop and the girl was not so pretty. A couple shops left me wondering if FS might have been available; I got the sense that they didn't want to negotiate this openly in the front room, but I didn't want to go into the back room before negotiating price and service. In the end, I chose a pretty gal in a white evening gown for a 100 RMB hand job. She took me to a tiny cubicle and tried to sell me on two girls for 200 RMB but I declined this offer. She lowered her top giving me access to her breasts (and I could also reach under her dress to play with her ass & pussy) while she worked on me. The HJ included fingering my asshole and she used plenty of baby-oil. There was a little light breast kissing and hugging but no kissing on the lips. After the pop she took her time to clean me up well. Nothing was rushed about the experience and the gal seemed quite sweet. If this is the service you want, then you should be happy with what you get. Since I really wanted FS, I was a little disappointed to settle for a HJ.

How to get back: I had intended to take the Metro back but it was closed when I got there at 23:30. Instead, I took a taxi from Hongqiao station to the Green Tree Inn on Xinza Road for 23 RMB. The ride was quick and took less that 15 minutes (perhaps only 10 minutes, I didn't watch the time carefully).

I think there were a few other BBS's in the immediate vicinity of Hongqiao station. I didn't see them until I was in the taxi heading back because they were on the opposite end of the station than the exit I took (Exit 2). If you don't have a car, these would be a lot easier to get to than walking all the way over to Wuzhong Road.

Edit: I later learned that you can get to Hongqiao Road area from Jing'An Temple (near Green Tree Inn) using either bus 506 or 113. That seems both faster and cheaper than using the Metro. Cost is 2 RMB one-way. There are definitely a few BBS in the vicinity of Hongqiao Station (before you get to Wuzhong Road) but I don't know if they offer FS.

[Woxiangyao]

Asiansing,

On Freebie from Saunas; I am not saying it is not possible, but like all freebies, it takes time. I don;t think anyone can walk in the sauna first time, and have the girl on your bed that evening.

Enjoy!

AG

I didn't say it's immediate, nor did I say I hit every single sauna girl. I said I hit the ones that I like and can click with. If I find that I don't like the girl I don't bother- obvious enough.

I reccomended (if you like the girl and think you can score) next time bring earrings blah blah blah, smuggle something into the sauna for them. To say it clearly, follow this algorhytm.

1) Anpai girls- I go for looks, ones that are looking, smiling, eager.

2) Once in the room, judge character, i like the shy ones. sorta like if you take them out of their element- tell them dont do what they're supposed to do- i'm not a fan of AR, and i don't find the ropes that appealing anymore.

3) If they are vulnerable - then proceed to step 4, ELSE go back to step 1 (Don't pick the same girl)

4) Work it the girl, win some trust. Lie, beg, grovel, blah blah- DO NOT OFFER MONEY.

5) Wait a few days, SMS, flirt, threathen to come and visit again to judge what they say.

6) If successful- don't rush. patience, and mild agressiveness pays off.

Another tactic, I usually pick them up from work if it's not too inconvenient, just tell teh cab drive XXX sauna, then back here. That way they don't know my address. And I send them off to the cab. If they're da lu ren, they won't usually know how to find your apartment.

Because of the timelag of my moderated post, I posted the heartbreak issue before AG mentioned it, it's still not up.

But yeah, you do break hearts. My rationale is, if you treat them nicely outside. On dates whatever, you're giving them an experience that no one else in the world would do for them. I dunno, for me I don't think romance really exists in China, too much mian zi, too much chauvanism, too much male domination, how many poor village girls have a chance to be treated like a princess? I'm not talking about where and old guy buys them a house and wants them to be his mistress kind of princess, I'm talking about people opening doors for them, giving them your coat when she's cold kinda thing. Just for that short time, they'll be greatful and happy. Life will go on for them no matter what. With or without you. Just be firm and occasionally say this won't last for ever, be happy when you can. Most are smart enough to realize.

Like I said, no offence, this is my style, for me it works, and I like it, keeps me in perspective when I have to find a wife someday and still have the skills to pick up non working girls. I have no qualms about it. To me it's better than being someones regular at a sauna. Everythings automatic, predictable, boring.

I'm a monger with a heart and flair for romance, dan shi. Still have a heart of a monger. So sue me.

[Ace Gallant]

Sauna Freebies, Are they really free haha?

I recently went to the sauna behind Yohan (Ba Bai Ban), there i got a service of a 23 year old gal and as usual the same details go on. After the session, i got her number.


Dont you guys find these foot massage gals are very tempting haha. I would always be able to find a few gems in some of them.

Asiansing,

They are my favorite freebies:

You remember my foot massage girl from wave Sauna? 707? I put her though English classes and now she is stuck to me. Shake her off a couple of time but she is like Boomerrang, keeps coming back!

I have 2 others from the Saunas too. They are just great.

I am also currently doing no. 16 from the Prostate Massage / Foot Massage place in Xi Kang Lu. But reckon it time to pull the plug.

On Freebie from Saunas; I am not saying it is not possible, but like all freebies, it takes time. I don;t think anyone can walk in the sauna first time, and have the girl on your bed that evening.

Enjoy!
AG

[Asiansing]

Sauna Freebies, Are they really free haha?

I recently went to the sauna behind Yohan (Ba Bai Ban), there i got a service of a 23 year old gal and as usual the same details go on. After the session, i got her number.

What i am trying to say is that i tried asking her over to my home but she was reluctant. She kept asking me to go to the sauna to have a session with her one more time before she is willing to go out with me.

Well, thats what i did a few weeks ago. After the sauna session, she asked me to wait for her as she was knocking off soon and suggested she wanted someone to hug to sleep. Yes of course haha.......And now, she comes over to my apartment once a week to hug me to sleep.

Anway. my point is that dont say no in getting freebies in the sauna. After having a few sessions with the gal, chatting with her on the phone, sms here and there, you might just hit the jackpot but one thing bad out of all this.

Even though she may end up in your apartments bed, they dont do the kind of service with you that they do in the saunas. But pure GFE. which is nice.


Oh yah by the way, how about those gals giving foot massages in the saunas?
I have a thing with these gals haha.........
Often during the session, i would ask them wheather they would like to come to my home to give me a real massage and in return, i would offer them 500 to 1000 depending on the gals. (OVER NIGHT) so i hope i am not spoiling the market here.

6 out of 10 would say ok.

Dont you guys find these foot massage gals are very tempting haha. I would always be able to find a few gems in some of them.

[Levitian]

I do completely agree with AG. Just for your info: in the Bar former known as ... you also can or could find a Shanghainese girl, Gao Jian, btw. ....highly recommended.

Levitian