2002-2006 South China - Shenzhen

[Tiger 888]

...For the first time in years I find Szn forum so dead...

It's not that nothing happens here, but we adre kind of cut off the world. An earthquake in the south of Taiwan has damaged 2 main deep water cables and now it sometimes takes up to 30 minutes to download 30kb of emails. The main connection between Asia and the US is at a fraction of its normal capacity. It is slowly getting better though. (If someone already wrote about this, I am sorry for not being patient enough to browse more than a few posts back. Hope it will get back to normal soon.

[Shing Taikoo]

For the first time in years I find Szn forum so dead. To cheer the things up, here are my FRs. I was in SZM btw 9th and 11th Dec.

First night (9th Dec):

Went to the barber cum massage (they have now removed the word 'massage' now) place just adjacent to Cafe-de-coral. As usual straight went up with a plump big bosomed girl in tow. After a few minutes of finger poking, I mean massage, I showed her a HKD100 and asked her to loosen her bra strap for my pleasure. Sure she did but refused to let me suck but agreed to do a HJ. I put my foot down took the money back and within 5 minutes walked out by paying HKD35 at the counter. Lousy experience, for the first time!.

Straight walked to the pink buildings. walked past the barber shops. None of them were enthusiastic to call patrons in. Sauntered into fourth shop, asked the counter lady to show me the girls and took a ok (6/10) girl to a massage room. Had some fun with her titties and later the lady gave me a handjob. Total damage RMB 150.

Second night (10th Dec):

As I walked out of my hotel (best western), few persistent ladies followed me and offered a lady for RMB400. Bargained to RMB 220 for two hours. But later realised the communication folly as the girl who came starte crying when I told her two hours. Anyhow, she was a cutie around 22 years with small tits. Played with her tits and body for few minutes and asked her to do O*al. Again she started to cry. I said enough of it and had se* in missionary position and shoed her away.

Third night (11th Dec):

Probably the best. Went behind Jusco and found few BBS shops open. Though hesitent, ventured into one of the shops and asked for the talent to be displayed and picked up a well endowed lady. Had nice time playing, squeezing and sucking good sized tits. Interestingly, she was enjoying every minute of my mauling. I could touch and see the wetness. Finally she gave a HJ and walked out happily. Total damage RMB 200.

Shenzhen has really changed. Not sure whether I would be as enthusiastic next time to go to SZN. But will surely read the reports here if there is any improvements.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[LoveAsia]

OAH and myself are of the same opinion. I have been living in Shenzhen for more than 4 years and traveling here since 1998. I have insulated myself from being exposed to dangerous areas/situations. Going for walks by yourself at night, going to quiet areas yourself during the day, riding most buses, etc all put you at risk at becoming a victim of a crime.

In order of safety when traveling:

1) your own car and parking in busy areas (MixC, Justco parking lots)
2) taking taxi door to door
3) Shenzhen MTR (but some stations are very quiet and have isolated sections)
3) buses
4) walking

Many of you frequent BBS's which you find fun and exciting but increases your risks. Safer but more expensive options are hotel massage or saunas. I personally know people who were "detained" for days until their debit cards were depleted. They were lucky.

Avoid confrontations/arguments with people and treat people with respect. Some people in China will seek revenge for what they perceive as you showing them disrespect or making them lose face in front of others. Avoid wearing expensive clothing, jewelry, watches when walking around. Don't flash your mobile phones, cameras, etc in public. It will draw attention and not always the kind of attention that you want.

Just my POV.

LA

[OldAsiaHand]

I have posted my POV before, but will repeat for the benefit of those posting on this subject now. Shenzhen is one of the most crime ridden places in the world. I will agree that us laowais are slightly immuned from it, but one must still stay alert and vigilant. The HK newspapers are full of stories about crime and scams that happen everyday. Personally, I've been pickpocketed and know of many others that have been pickpocketed and mugged, as well. One friend was robbed by 6 guys with knives in broad daylight in the Futian district. I also witnessed one SW beaten by 5-6 thugs and left for dead on the street. It is not safe!

Just my POV.

OAH

[Sicer]

Firstly, Merry Christmas to all.

I'm a loooong time lurker, and this is my first post. Over the years, the ISG has provided me with invaluable info for destinations all over the world! A big thank you to the multitude of mongers who go before me; you have my gratitude.

Now on to my report: I live in HK and occasionally go up to SZ for a little fun. Since I found Sha Tsui, I have been in heaven!!! The proverbial 'kid in a candy store', but on my recent visit things have indeed changed for the worse. I was in SZ on Friday the 22 to do a little shopping, and decided to do a little fact finding mission. I took the bus up from Wanchai to Huangang ($45HK) and then the taxi over to Sha Tsui (25rmb) by flashing the driver the picture of the Sha Tsui gates as posted here previously (again my gratitude!). As I entered the area, I nearly shed a tear as the full depth of the destruction was upon me. My lovely Sha Tsui was in ruins, the alleyways were barren, and not a young lady was to be seen. Shops were closed and vacant. Where the sweet giggle of nubile girls once reined, now only an eerie silence filled the air. It was too much, I had to leave!

I took a taxi to Louhu (30rmb) and went to the Pink apartments. All was normal there, 150rmb for a cutie, but the rooms there suck, and there was no hot water!! After some shopping, I decided to take the subway to MixC mall. After a Mexican dinner (just so so) and a little walking around, I headed out the south exit of the mall and proceeded in a westerly direction toward Jusco. I walked the entire way to Jusco, passing along the way about 12 BBSes with only a few girls in each (this was about 5pm). When I arrived in the Jusco area I was meet with further bad news; here too all was shuttered and closed!

I couldn’t take anymore, so I walked back east towards Louhu, passing again a series of BBSes (more open now as it was later, but not really anything impressive) and continued walking all the way back to the Pink apartments! Man my feet were killin me!! I picked out another 150rmb cutie, but regardless of the service, it just couldn’t drown out my sorrows at the sight of wonderful Sha Tsui as a wasteland.

Back onto the train into HK, and my Xmas wish that Sha Tsui will once again be restored to its former glory! Please?

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[TangZhen]

Not to beat a dead horse, but crime in the US and China are very different and it is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. I had a hand phone stolen in China, and never had such types of issues in the US. In fact I know a lot of people in China who had phones or wallets stolen, and that type of thing I can not recall anyone having such an issue in the US. I know a number of people who have been in jail in the US but mainly for not following rules such as driving without a license or expired insurance. I think crime is more common in China but smaller scale, minor pickpocket stuff and petty crime. Serious crime is economic in nature in China while it is a combination of drugs and emotional issues in the US. Most murders here I think are related to 'business deals' gone bad, basically somebody wanted to pull some trick to steal money, but it went wrong. I think I saw on the Chinese language TV that they caught the guy who executed the guy named Lim over in HK.

[Old Mean Dog]

I should add, I often walk around late at night in chinese cities, even in bad parts of town. I have been to many of them and never had a problem. I would not walk around in bad areas in american cities.

I think I'm safer here in China. Am I wrong?

I agree with ya. After spending 20 years in the government in a law enforcement capacity and seeing some of the wonderful "shit holes" of the world, I actually do feel much safer here than in any big city in America.

Dear Santa; Where's my 2 boxes of condoms, Mighty-Mite Dildo, Battery-Powered Cockring and Spanish Fly Coffee I asked you for? I've been a good boy all year.....

Merry Christmas!

[Weelock]

Sorry I have to disagree with China being safe. Southern China is known for being the most dangerous place in all of China. It has the highest crime rate in all of China. It’s mainly due the all the poor migrant working coming from other parts of China.

You are corrected if you are a big white Caucasian guy, it is generally safer. It’s mainly because of language barriers and the consequences. Like if anything happened to a white guy, like being murdered, the police will make a point to the public to never happen again. On the other hand, a Caucasian is NOT immune. I have read and heard some little stuff. For example, a white guy picked up a girl and three or four guy came in the hotel room later. Then some pick pocketing of money. This is from previous posts and what I heard.

At least there is a very unlikely chance to be robbed in China with a gun.



The link below has TWO pages of warnings about dangers and crime.

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel...zhen-BR-1.html

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel...zhen-BR-2.html


Merry XMAS Santa

I should add, I often walk around late at night in chinese cities, even in bad parts of town. I have been to many of them and never had a problem. I would not walk around in bad areas in american cities.

I think I'm safer here in China. Am I wrong?

[Bnlee2]

I should add, I often walk around late at night in chinese cities, even in bad parts of town. I have been to many of them and never had a problem. I would not walk around in bad areas in american cities.

I think I'm safer here in China. Am I wrong?

santa...

you are partially correct. some american city i would not and some i would.

[Santa]

None of us really know how dangerous those back alleys in China can be.

I should add, I often walk around late at night in chinese cities, even in bad parts of town. I have been to many of them and never had a problem. I would not walk around in bad areas in american cities.

I think I'm safer here in China. Am I wrong?

[Sammon]

One cannot put western twist on a country trying very hard to overcome poverty, over population and basic services. But now china is doing a marvelous job of streamlining the process. If these migrant laborers are left in their hometowns they will have nothing to eat, no money etc. While life is not fair for everybody there are scores of people have made better life for themselves by moving to shenzhen boomtown. Just look at the wide roads,spotless efficient subway . While no doubt the city is known as the center of nightlife with massage parlors, karaoke joints etc , it is another part of the economy in action. Hopefully in the future they will take care of their employees better. Do not forget the only reason Shenzhen nightlife is booming is because it is comparatively inexpensive. By giving higher pay and benefits to employees , all these places including restaurents will go out of business. Balancing the need and supply is any part of the economy.

[Santa]

A NY Time story about our fair city. Seems the largest business here is prostitution. You think?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/wo...ld&oref=slogin

I guess it is international stories like this that helps cause crackdowns. Parading the guys and girls in the street was a stupid idea and attracted more unwanted media attention.

I have recently heard that the chief of police in Futian has now been charged with various crimes, such as violating human rights, wrongful police action and so on. Can anybody confirm that? What are the charges against him?

Thanks for posting a good NY Times story LoveAsia. None of us really know how dangerous those back alleys in China can be.

[Weelock]

hello minkfan1,

you have several options:

1. since your are in lou wu, cross the border by foot and get there before 6am. then take a taxi to hka for speed.

2. take a minivan from shenzhen directly to hka that will cost about 150-250rmb. i too had an early flight at 9:20am but was able to get there on time with a minivan. do a "search" for minivan or mini-van. this subject has come up about twice a year and been talked about in 2006,05,04.......the bad part, they will get other people to fill the minivan but usually do it fast without problems.

3. next option is a private car directly from sz to hka but for $600-800rmb it's too expensive for me.

4. i think the other border huangang is opened 24hrs but you need to check. cross it at 5:30am and then take a taxi. nevertheless, it is suggested you reach the airport 2 hrs before your flight leaves, allowing time for checking-in and customs. if it's during a holiday, then 3 hrs.

5. see links below about minivan and other kinds of transportation and do a "search" in isg.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1753

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=2019

hi all,

if i have a 9am flight to catch from hk airport, what options do i have if i am staying in luohu area?

thanks,

minkfan

[Bnlee2]

Hi all,

If I have a 9am flight to catch from HK airport, what options do I have if I am staying in LuoHu area?

thanks,

minkfan

Mink

there are now car service that drive you directly to hk airport with a brief stop in a toll booth where they check your visa and passport. they started this service about a year and a half ago. if you ask the hotel in shenzhen they can direct you to the right company.

for what i understand, the car and driver must be register and someone told me that the limo company pays about $30-40K for this reg. service to ferry business persons to and from hk airport from shenzhen and surrounding area. the last time i used it (june 2006), i think the cost was around 600-800rmb per trip - either from hk airport to shenzhen or visa versa. very comfortable and experience drivers (usually mbz sedan). email or pm me later today and i will try to find the name and address of the company that provided the service to me earlier this year.

take care

[LoveAsia]

Hi all,

If I have a 9am flight to catch from HK airport, what options do I have if I am staying in LuoHu area?
thanks,
minkfan

You need to check in at the airport by 7am. I believe Luohu customs doesn't open until 6am. Only choice you have is Huangang customs or stay at a hotel near HK airport tonight. If you insist on staying in Shenzhen for the night you should arrange a car service for a 5:30am pickup to drive you directly to HK airport.