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11-25-07 10:07 #141
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11-23-07 22:06 #140
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11-22-07 16:27 #139
Posts: 2125Originally Posted by Mill Just
The affection given is normally directly porportional to the amount of money spent on them.
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11-06-07 21:12 #138
Posts: 329Whom,
What amazes me still is that ANYBODY would take a working girl's word at face value. These girls will tell you anything that you want to hear. I have no doubt that the "G" Girl put down Uno to Master and I have no doubt that she will put down Master to Uno or even deny his existence. What people need to understand is that these girls are in the business of fulfilling fantasies and creating the illusion that they care about you. Many working girls like to cultivate relationships with guys just to have a system of support in case they need favors in the future. A gringo who is putty in their hands is a great tool to be used in the future. The key is to get those benefits of being a preferred customer while being able to keep your head above the BS being chucked at you.
I don't understand how some real experienced mongers who can see through the BS of the American strip clubs seem to get sucked up by the Mexican strip clubs. Maybe they really don't understand the culture or the language? But, I'll tell you this as someone who lives here in Mexico- Mexican strippers are of the exact socio-economic level as their American counterparts and just as reliable. The difference for us is that here in Mexico we are often considered the high-rollers.
Originally Posted by Whome69
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11-05-07 22:20 #137
Posts: 1388Mill
It isn't free publicity, we are actually tricking the House.
As in telling what is the real price to pay, what to expect from girls, rates and all, meaning we are not allowing the house to scam you.
If we don't post here that the Infinito girls charge 1000 pesos, you as an American will be charged 1500 pesos.
More examples: regular charge for a full service is 200-300 pesos. Girls see an American and on the spot charge them 500 pesos.
Ask me if a visitor from this thread has been overcharged and I ask the same question to you: has any visitor to Morelia been a victim of scams at the clubs or MPs?
No, cause they got you to help them out.
The House never ever likes some one to talk behind their backs. The House is always paranoid, so are the girls.
The girls hate when some one has the upper hand over them.
Worse part, imagine me, going to the Prestige and the Obsession where I know all the owners, one of them is my close neighbor, the other I meet at soccer games at school.
Imagine the reaction if they know that I tell gringo-candidates-to-be-scammed to be on the look out for surcharges, girls that ask for double drinks and jarras, girls that charge extras where none are needed.
I don't think they would be happy at all to suddenly realize that one of their regular customers, one that is favored by them is back stabber.Last edited by Admin; 11-24-07 at 00:25.
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10-24-07 18:51 #136
Posts: 329Bienvenido Rapito!!!
Hola Rapito,
I'm just going to give you one general rule seeing that Uno and Carlos have already given specifics:
Act with respect and general common sense in any mongering venue in Mexico and you'll be ok and safe. If you act with a degree of class and decorum, the chicas and the management will do their best to accomodate what you want. Most girls and places are NOT clip joints.
However, if you act like an arrogant asshole and try to either: 1) Not pay the chica or 2) demand and force things that the chica doesn't want to do, you will get either beaten and/or tossed in jail.
The degree of service and acts usually depends on the chicas. Some will be more open to touching and fingering and even kissing. Some will just want to give you the basic BJ/HJ/FS service. Again, go with the flow if you are new to the club and feel things out. After getting your feet wet, you'll get a sense of how far you can go with each chica.
Strip clubs may be a bit tough on a newbie with no mongering experience, so the high-end MPs might be the way to go for quality service with a cute chica in a relaxed atmosphere.
Have Fun,
Mill
Originally Posted by Rapito
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10-19-07 08:49 #135
Posts: 329carlos, you are a smart guy and a fine patriot but i know you aren't comparing mexican samitary standards to us sanitary standards...the reason most americans are so succeptible to stomach infections when compared to our brothers down in mexico is that we have never been exposed to the tribes of bacteria that are common place in mexico. there was a reason i had continuous stomach infections for the first 4 months i lived in mexico...and with regards to the "standard headline" comment about e-coli concerns: can you imagine a headline in mexico that reads "taco stands in downtown area contain high counts of dangerous bacteria and dried animal [CodeWord113]?" the mexican republic as a whole would put down their newspapers and let out a collective, "no shit, sherlock...duh!" that would not be a headline at all here in mexico because its common knowledge that sanitary conditions are horrendous.
and when it comes to dumb politicians like our idiot president bush, just take a look at vicente fox's recent press tour in the us. i thought we cornered the market on dumb politicians, but there was president fox trying to say that mexico is doing such a great job at stopping the drugs from coming into the us that those drugs are staying in mexico and corrupting their children...or when he said that the mexican army on the border with guatemala was there to take the illegal guatemalans crossing into mexico, feed them, keep them safe and escort them back to their own country...or his insistence that having 10% of your nation's population living and working outside your country is a good thing...or when he said that, right now, 98% of the mexican children finish high school...etc...bush is just, plain dumb; fox is truly delusional.
one thing we can learn from this is that we shouldn't judge a country based on the idiots we sometimes elect.
carlos, don't believe the hype. things in the noticias (on both sides) are never quite the real story...despite what you hear about us living in absolute, mind-bending fear, just remember that only about half of our population is so idiotic...and our idiocy as a nation grows as we get closer to the border.
you know, sometimes its worth dealing with a few stupid code red, code orange stories that few believe in exchange for a glass of tap water that won't give you the squirts...
but having said that, it is cheaper to get laid in mexico...
Originally Posted by carlos perez
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10-17-07 12:29 #134
Posts: 1383Originally Posted by Mill Just
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10-17-07 07:00 #133
Posts: 329Without veering too off-topic, I just mean that the daily conveniences are what makes life easier in the US, stuff that we take for granted as Americans that are special privileges for Mexicans. Just in the area of basic government services, Mexico, as a whole, is nowhere near as efficient as the US.
But its all relative because life in the US is easier for me as an American just as life in Mexico is easier for you as a Mexican. We learn how to live off what we have.
My standard of living in the U.S. had never changed, despite any sort of stock market or real estate problems. Everything is steady in the States whereas I just sense a lot more volatility in the Mexican way of life. There is a certain confidence in the American way of life (cockiness?) where we feel, that despite any sort of problems, we will always be just as rich and just as privileged as always and there's always the concept, however abstract, that the government is our servant and at our command whereas in Mexico, it is not like that at all.
But, again, we will see things differently because we look at the world from different reference points.
Originally Posted by Carlos Perez
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10-17-07 05:38 #132
Posts: 329i guess i'm thinking in a more practical way when you say "easier."
easier as in having clean drinking water, steady and consistant garbage pick up, cooking gas at your ready disposal and a predicatable legal/ law enforcement system...
Originally Posted by carlos perez
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10-16-07 21:37 #131
Posts: 1388i still insist it is easier mj.
like right now, freedom of speech is more to the point here in mexico than in the us.
the catholic religous right now has limited power as compared to the christian religous right in the us.... and wow, did our religous right made us suffer!!!
interest rates for housing and cars and credits are, might be high, but right now there no traps as the housing bubble that just recently burst in the us (thing that happened in 1994 for us).
it's easy for you as a foreign guy to work in mexico, than me going to us and find a job.
the list is long mj...
might be that i chose the wrong word... not easier... less complicated?
is that better????
Originally Posted by mill just
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10-06-07 13:08 #130
Posts: 69Originally Posted by Mill Just
The solution that I have found that works is to build a good solid relationship with the one that "you depend on". Get to know their secrets. Like where and how they cheat on their Taxes. Their Slush fund! Who their G/F is and where she lives. Ect, Ect, Ect. You don't have to be so crass to say anything about what you know, except to maybe to say, "This is a no win situation".
I try to spend as little time in these "Show Bars" as possible. I am not a big drinker and I am there for the women. However, I am also guilty. I have paid Tabs that went well over a thousand bucks even after getting the Bill straightened out for Server Fraud. It pisses me off that these Bars really take advantage of these Girls and they really don't appreciate their Customer. If it wasn't for the Girls, who would pay their exorbitant prices and tolerate thier "Billing errors" and 10% surcharges for Credit Card payment? When I will fully retire and my youngest kid is out of the house, perhaps I will start a Union for these girls? : Maybe even contacting the Credit Card companies and back-charging them for their surcharges accross the Board for ever Customer over the past 2-3 years which is a violation of their CC agreements? These Clubs NEED Credit Card support.
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10-06-07 03:13 #129
Posts: 1388Mill. I met USB and Porker in the afternoon at Prestige, a 5 star club.
I asked the manager, a lady manager, what happens if for example, USB is a perfect stranger and he comes in and only orders one drink and nothing else.
She with all correctness of a high end club, told me what I posted down below: "our business is not catering people that come in to watch the girls... our business is drinks. If the gentleman does not pay for one, he is shown to the door"
By that time USB and Porker had left (I had to drive straight home) but I would have loved USB to do some arguing with a wall about the hypotetical analysis of a potential customer with money in his pocket, opposed to one with a drink in his hand.
Originally Posted by Mill Just
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10-05-07 20:32 #128
Posts: 329Apples and Oranges
I think Uno is guilty of what other people on this board are guilty of- trying to apply logic, American business logistics and the American concept of "the customer is always right" to the Mexican venue. These concepts do not apply here.
True, the club people often have no idea of how to run a "real" business, but this is not a "real" business. And anybody with real business accumen would be working for one of the many legit businesses.
The Mexican business sense on the lower level is notoriously short-sighted and, just plain dumb at times. And you don't get much lower than the strip clubs. The truth is that they just don't care if we get pissed off at them. They don't think of the future, they only think in the present and, for them, 200 pesos in their pocket is much more valuable than the promise of 20,000 over the course of a year.
Uno, for what its worth...I'll try to not get you kicked out of any club in Morelia
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10-05-07 07:57 #127
Posts: 329Uno, Carlos...
Good point, we are NOT considered good and valuable customers when compared to the others who throw around money. There are many, many Mexican business men who spend thousands of pesos in a given club every week.
In comparison, we who order a couple of drinks, get a couple of privados and take a chica for a salida, are not that high up on the food chain. I would compare us to the guy who goes to the OXXO a couple of times a week to buy a Coke and a bag of chips. Sure, they appreciate the patronage, but they are not staying up late thinking about how we may have been offended by something they did.
And Uno, these are not very good business men- none of them from the waiters right through to the chicas. They are aggressive business men, but not smart ones. They can afford to be aggressive because they always operate in a seller's market and can afford to be careless. There is never a short supply of horny men who can be duped into paying shitloads of money. But put these same club owners and chicas into any other business situation and they would get their heads handed to them.
Sometimes it does get frustrating...
The only possible way to get around being ejected for not drinking is either to find the head waiter or floor manager and tip him generously beforehand or get better at hitting and running.
Originally Posted by Carlos Perez