Monterrey - Mill Just's Reports

[MonterreyDude]

There a couple of things USB writes without giving a couple of seconds to thought.

USB is known at the clubs as a returning American customer, one way or another, the House and the girls know that he is trustworthy.

Up to now, USB is so at home at places like the Prestige, Obsession, TVO, Pasarelas... all the moderate priced clubs, BUT, here you have to check your soul at the door and the House owns it till you pay your bill and exit the club.

At this places you don't pay any service up front, they go to the tab. Never mind if you don't pay upfront, you HAVE to pay. There is no option.

I guess none of my American friends have seen what happens to a customer if he refuses to pay or is in disagreement with the tab. After getting one hell of beating, they hand you over to the police.
Worst part is you still have to pay the House.

What Mill Just and I are trying to get through is that what ever your thoughts, even if you think you are "withelding" payment, you already PAYED up front the moment you decided to take a girl out (or doing her in the club).

Let me see: has any one reading this post "witheld" payment from a girl even if he recieved a shitty deal, "lay flat on bed" girl, "cadaver" type, no emotion, no GFE, no nothing?

You see? you are paying up front on all conditions....

I know USB got a refund once, but I keep thinking an angel was on his side that day... usually they just play dumb and turn their back on you and if you insist, they surround you with security and kick you out.

And I just don't want to contradict USB, but my friend sees himself as a good customer, a reputable one...
Oh damn... USB, you are having real misguided thoughts here.
I am making them public, just for the sake of other mongers: a reputable customer at the clubs is one that spends tons of money with out second thoughts, not one that takes a girl out once or twice a week every each other month.
It is one that leaves a mark at the club, one that will be remembered by managers, waiters and girls.
One that spends 5000 pesos and up and leaves 1000 pesos tip to spread around.
(5000 pesos is a conservative figure... I've seen guys pay 350,000 peso bill without blinking)
Even me as a local, as a guy that spends 1000 pesos per visit, am a regular customer, but Iam not a good customer for the clubs.

Please take the latter in consideration, do not think that by paying a 350 peso salida, that makes you a good customer.
Remember that the 1000 pesos (or whatever you pay the girl) is not for the House...
The House loses on those kind of deals.

The fees are NOT paid up front as a general practice in most parts of the world, with the exception of the fees paid to the house for their cut only.

Frankly, they will all gladly take your payment up front, but here in Mexico in the clubs, is a rarity for me. I am almost never made to pay the house the full fee if I tell them I will pay the girl afterward. But, remember, they will always take your money. I always explain to the girl in advance that I have the money to pay the house, and that their cut is in my hotel room, period. If they want to earn the money, they can take the plunge.

I do not pay the house the full fee at El Infinito, El Cielo, or Pasarelas. But, the standard practice seems to be to pay the full fee at Matehuala, and some other clubs. So, there IS NO standard anything. The rules are left up to the managers. If the girl wants the money, you simply inform her that she will be paid upon completion,and most of the managers will go along with that if you don't throw your money at them...Paying for salidas is something I know a hell of a lot about. The only way I would ever choose to pay a girl upfront, is to pay her through the management so she realizes that she does not have the money in the bag quite yet. It is a psychological advantage for you as a monger to control the money.

Frankly, I prefer to hold the psychological cards rather than part with my money with no degree of "influence" being present whatsoever. Oh, the stories I could tell about the wisdom of holding the money in your possession until you are at least partially satisfied with the outcome.

It has nothing to do with whether you are actually intending to pay. It has everything to do with playing the psychological game, negotiating your position when she is wanting to get lazy, or trying to run a game on you by cutting time or using some BS excuse to hold back this or that. With the lazy ones, while they are acting up, you simply tell them that you are paying for their performance, and that they have yet to be paid. Most of them will jump on the band wagon rather than have you hit the frickin' roof over poor performance issues, or worse yet, take your complaints to their bosses where they will have to answer to their behavior.

Once she is paid, you have nothing to bargain with when she won't deliver the promised goods. It simply gives you an opportunity to pursuade her during the course of her stay with you, the merits in delivering to your expectations. The threat of non-payment is always a psychological motivator. Plus, you have the threat of making a scene with their boss over your complaint, the nasty propsect of they having to address an escalated confrontation with a client in front of their manager.

I don't say that you should attempt to stiff them, but that you should keep yourself in a bargaining position at all times until you are relatively satisfied.
I have had a number of them that are a total disaster in Monterrey...I just got done with one from the night shift at El Infinito. I will relate the detail of that story soon, and you will not believe it. And, you will not believe how I handled it, and how much it cost me to handle it with and eye to the future. She was paid in full...and for NO SEX. The situation dictates the tactic.

And, with respect to getting your money back. Don't forget that I did that exact same thing at the Old Givenchy when the girl delivered poor service. I saw the manager of the bar, and while they would not part with their salida fee, they DID impose on the girl to make a refund, which she did.

So, while it is not common, getting them to hold the girl to some reasonable standard of performance is possible because I personally did it. I don't say it's common, but it is doable. Now, imagine if you showed up at the club, not having paid the girl, and they know you are a regular, and a good customer, one of credibility with respect to your long standing record of being a buen cleinte, and you complained about her service, and could back it up, such as I did at Givenchy. You would be in a much better position to bargain with the manager, and appeal to his business sense, hopefully so he will intervene on your behalf with the girl, just as the manager did for me at Givenchy, pursuading her that she was wrong, and that she should make it, if not completely right, then at least partially right.

They do have some leverage with the girls that are under their employ. And, provided you can back up your claims, and provided you have credibility in the bars, your reputation can be of immense value in getting the bars to intervene on your behalf with some influence over the girls.

But, again, it isn't with any intention of holding back their payment in the end unless service is just absolutely horrible or mis-represented. It is more a matter of psychology, which I have been preaching here from day one, and a subject that seems to be given little or no legitimate consideration on the boards.

Psychology is the key to everything, and that includes P4P in spades.

[Precocious One]

Well, I think that you guys live under the illusion that you operate in a bubble; protected and untouchable. A world where you have ultimate control and where the little Mexicans worship and bow at your mighty gringo powers. But its just that- an illusion. I hope that that bubble never gets burst. Never forget that you are not in the USA and the rules are different here than in the States. Pushing the limits with regards to the chicas' and the clubs' livelihoods is truly a dangerous endeavor.

Of course, after becoming a known entity and a recognized customer, you get cut some slack and are allowed treatment that a new guy wouldn't. The chicas would also be less likely to pull a fast one on a regular customer and, anyway, by the time you become a regular at a club, you pretty much know who is and who isn't a good provider.

Here in Morelia, at least, I have never been scammed or ripped off when I paid up front. Most chicas who demand money upfront are only trying to protect themselves from being ripped off, something that any decent guy would realize- a suspicious chica doesn't make for a good lay. A chica will provide the service that she feels like providing and, as Uno can attest to and has commented on many times, no amount of psychology or pressure can turn a bad or mediocre provider into a GFE Queen. A good provider will be a good provider and a bad one will be a bad one, regardless. So, again this technique of paying afterwards really only serves to soothe the mind of the monger and has little, if any, positive affect on a chica. However, the "holding the money back routine" may work if the chica is relatively new to the business and/or you are very well known at the club or with the agency. But I think that a real, experienced monger wouldn't need to resort to that type of coercion in order to get a chica mas caliente, verdad? Kinda goes against the concept of the "real" GFE don't ya think?

And, anyway, all this is a moot point seeing that you WILL have to pay anyway and they all know this.

Have Fun.

P.S. Don't take this personal, Precious, this is just how I write. In real life, as Uno and Carlos will soon find out, I am a lot more fuzzy and cuddly- like Hunter S. Thompson sniffing an Ether-soaked dish rag. Maybe one day we'll meet and share a laugh or two...

MJ,

I am too old and too far ahead to take things personally at this point in my life. And as the disconnect between the have and have not's increasingly widens in the next few years, either through hyperinflation or deflation, it is best to simply ignore those type's unless seriously pushed.

In the year and a half I have lived in MX, I have only had a problem ONCE in that time. Once. And we were both drunk and the problem was quickly diffused. This also includes probably more than 60 other days I have spent vacationing here. Now maybe it is the way I carry myself or how I look, but I get the feeling that most mexican nationals pretty much physically see me as a straight up dude. I have only had to stand up for myself a few times in MX and it has never been a problem. I feel more comfortable here than I do in the states.

I do not know your situation both financially and physically, but I am old enough to know that I am still young enough to get attractive non-pro's. So no, at this juncture in my life, hooker or not, I have no need to allow a woman to get the "upper-hand." Not gonna happen. If I had a US wife and children yes, I would be fuc_ed financially and she would most certainly have the upper-hand.

As for my monicker, it is not precious which I certainly am not but precocious, which I certainly am.

[Mill Just]

Well, I think that you guys live under the illusion that you operate in a bubble; protected and untouchable. A world where you have ultimate control and where the little Mexicans worship and bow at your mighty gringo powers. But its just that- an illusion. I hope that that bubble never gets burst. Never forget that you are not in the USA and the rules are different here than in the States. Pushing the limits with regards to the chicas' and the clubs' livelihoods is truly a dangerous endeavor.

Of course, after becoming a known entity and a recognized customer, you get cut some slack and are allowed treatment that a new guy wouldn't. The chicas would also be less likely to pull a fast one on a regular customer and, anyway, by the time you become a regular at a club, you pretty much know who is and who isn't a good provider.

Here in Morelia, at least, I have never been scammed or ripped off when I paid up front. Most chicas who demand money upfront are only trying to protect themselves from being ripped off, something that any decent guy would realize- a suspicious chica doesn't make for a good lay. A chica will provide the service that she feels like providing and, as Uno can attest to and has commented on many times, no amount of psychology or pressure can turn a bad or mediocre provider into a GFE Queen. A good provider will be a good provider and a bad one will be a bad one, regardless. So, again this technique of paying afterwards really only serves to soothe the mind of the monger and has little, if any, positive affect on a chica. However, the "holding the money back routine" may work if the chica is relatively new to the business and/or you are very well known at the club or with the agency. But I think that a real, experienced monger wouldn't need to resort to that type of coercion in order to get a chica mas caliente, verdad? Kinda goes against the concept of the "real" GFE don't ya think?

And, anyway, all this is a moot point seeing that you WILL have to pay anyway and they all know this.

Have Fun.

P.S. Don't take this personal, Precious, this is just how I write. In real life, as Uno and Carlos will soon find out, I am a lot more fuzzy and cuddly- like Hunter S. Thompson sniffing an Ether-soaked dish rag. Maybe one day we'll meet and share a laugh or two...

The fees are NOT paid up front as a general practice in most parts of the world, with the exception of the fees paid to the house for their cut only.

Frankly, they will all gladly take your payment up front, but here in Mexico in the clubs, is a rarity for me. I am almost never made to pay the house the full fee if I tell them I will pay the girl afterward. But, remember, they will always take your money. I always explain to the girl in advance that I have the money to pay the house, and that their cut is in my hotel room, period. If they want to earn the money, they can take the plunge.

I do not pay the house the full fee at El Infinito, El Cielo, or Pasarelas. But, the standard practice seems to be to pay the full fee at Matehuala, and some other clubs. So, there IS NO standard anything. The rules are left up to the managers. If the girl wants the money, you simply inform her that she will be paid upon completion,and most of the managers will go along with that if you don't throw your money at them...Paying for salidas is something I know a hell of a lot about. The only way I would ever choose to pay a girl upfront, is to pay her through the management so she realizes that she does not have the money in the bag quite yet. It is a psychological advantage for you as a monger to control the money.

Frankly, I prefer to hold the psychological cards rather than part with my money with no degree of "influence" being present whatsoever. Oh, the stories I could tell about the wisdom of holding the money in your possession until you are at least partially satisfied with the outcome.

It has nothing to do with whether you are actually intending to pay. It has everything to do with playing the psychological game, negotiating your position when she is wanting to get lazy, or trying to run a game on you by cutting time or using some BS excuse to hold back this or that. With the lazy ones, while they are acting up, you simply tell them that you are paying for their performance, and that they have yet to be paid. Most of them will jump on the band wagon rather than have you hit the frickin' roof over poor performance issues, or worse yet, take your complaints to their bosses where they will have to answer to their behavior.

Once she is paid, you have nothing to bargain with when she won't deliver the promised goods. It simply gives you an opportunity to pursuade her during the course of her stay with you, the merits in delivering to your expectations. The threat of non-payment is always a psychological motivator. Plus, you have the threat of making a scene with their boss over your complaint, the nasty propsect of they having to address an escalated confrontation with a client in front of their manager.

I don't say that you should attempt to stiff them, but that you should keep yourself in a bargaining position at all times until you are relatively satisfied.
I have had a number of them that are a total disaster in Monterrey...I just got done with one from the night shift at El Infinito. I will relate the detail of that story soon, and you will not believe it. And, you will not believe how I handled it, and how much it cost me to handle it with and eye to the future. She was paid in full...and for NO SEX. The situation dictates the tactic.

And, with respect to getting your money back. Don't forget that I did that exact same thing at the Old Givenchy when the girl delivered poor service. I saw the manager of the bar, and while they would not part with their salida fee, they DID impose on the girl to make a refund, which she did.

So, while it is not common, getting them to hold the girl to some reasonable standard of performance is possible because I personally did it. I don't say it's common, but it is doable. Now, imagine if you showed up at the club, not having paid the girl, and they know you are a regular, and a good customer, one of credibility with respect to your long standing record of being a buen cleinte, and you complained about her service, and could back it up, such as I did at Givenchy. You would be in a much better position to bargain with the manager, and appeal to his business sense, hopefully so he will intervene on your behalf with the girl, just as the manager did for me at Givenchy, pursuading her that she was wrong, and that she should make it, if not completely right, then at least partially right.

They do have some leverage with the girls that are under their employ. And, provided you can back up your claims, and provided you have credibility in the bars, your reputation can be of immense value in getting the bars to intervene on your behalf with some influence over the girls.

But, again, it isn't with any intention of holding back their payment in the end unless service is just absolutely horrible or mis-represented. It is more a matter of psychology, which I have been preaching here from day one, and a subject that seems to be given little or no legitimate consideration on the boards.

Psychology is the key to everything, and that includes P4P in spades.

[Mill Just]

You can keep thinking that you have the upper hand in the transaction, but that doesn't make it so. LOL. Unbelievable! Keep thinking you're in control, Sparky. And just try withholding payment to a Mexican club girl and you will get real hurt, real fast...just try it. This is not the Mickey Mouse world of US Korean Happy-Ending Land. This is Mexico and you better believe that as nice as they treat you when they get what they want, that's how bad they'll treat you when they're not getting what they want.

By "upper hand" I meant that they have what we want and we are entering into their world. They know where we stay or they have us in their MP, we are the foreigners, we are the ones with most to lose, we are the vulnerable ones- not them. So, that's what I refer to when I say upper hand. Sure, we can decide to pay them or not, but we really have ZERO control no matter how much you'd like to believe that we do.

Now, for example, lets say that you walk into a MTY MP and get shitty service from a chica. Now, you, as the one in CONTROL (lol) decide to not pay her up front and then decided to not pay her at all because she was rushing you. Do you think you're getting past that front door without a tussle? That whole American attitude of the Indignant Customer does not float here in Mexico. You will be a self-righteous indignant customer with a baseball bat across your head and your pockets emptied out. And even if it doesn't turn out so violently, you have essentially made yourself persona non grata in that particular part of the scene.

The point that Carlos was making and that I was making was that it makes no difference when you pay because you will HAVE TO PAY anyway. A good provider will be a good provider and a shitty provider will be a shitty provider. Period. The good chicas know that good service will bring you back as a regular customer, but the bad ones won't change their service if they think you might not pay them...because they know that you HAVE TO pay them.

What do you think Uno's chica would've done if he decided that her performance wasn't worthy of a payment? LOL. Uno wouldn't have fingers anymore to post his reports. And what if you refused payment on an MP chica? The dental work you'd need would be more expensive than paying for the lousy service. What're you gonna do, call the policia and say that the chica was using too much teeth when giving you a BJ?

Precious, you have a lot to learn about Mexico. You're not in America anymore. It's every man for himself here and the police will NOT bail you out. Wild West, buddy...

And, yes, the statement of "He who holds the gold makes the rules" applies here as well, but it is THEY who hold the gold. We are merely visitors on THEIR land. It is their (the Mexican Mongering scene's) game and their rules and we MUST play by those rules unless we want to get kicked out.

By the way, here in Morelia, the MPs don't ask for the money up front, but all the escorts and club girls do (unless you are off the clock). There's no difference in the level of service among the girls who ask for the money up front and the ones who don't. Because, again I must write, that you HAVE TO PAY THEM ANYWAY, NO MATTER WHAT!!!

That's why you guys need to be posting with details so we will know who the trustworthy chicas are and which chicas to avoid.

Try heading onto the streets of LA and pay up front or even half down for a service based professional. Regardless if it's a hooker, plumber or contractor, you will eventually come up short sooner rather than later.

I have only once in my 150+ MP visits ever had to stiff a provider. This Korean hounded me to hurry when she performed the HJ. Well, I hurried alright. Right out of the fuc_ing door along with my customary $40 tip. The only "poor slob" is the monger that allows the provider to control the situation. Of all my visits, both US and MX, I have never been told to pay the tip up front. Only the fixed costs of the house fee.

Don't know if it's different here in Central Mexico, but the universal proverbial statement is.

"He who holds the gold makes the rules."

Unbelievable. Letting a hooker have the "upper hand" or control my financial situation? If I wanted that, I would go get married.

[Precocious One]

LOL. I'd like to see the poor slob who tries to withold payment after getting "bad" service...I think the whole "paying the girl afterwards" deal is just a way to make the customer feel better, like he's getting the upper hand in the deal.

However, we have to realize that from the very first moment we decide to pay a chica for sex, THEY have the upper hand, no matter what. That's why we have sites like this where guys discuss girls, their scams and the scammy clubs they come from...and that's why its so frustrating to see knowledeable guys go out of their way to NOT share info. We need to look after eachother, brothas, and make sure that the next guy doesn't step into the steaming pile of shit that we narrowly avoided.

Try heading onto the streets of LA and pay up front or even half down for a service based professional. Regardless if it's a hooker, plumber or contractor, you will eventually come up short sooner rather than later.

I have only once in my 150+ MP visits ever had to stiff a provider. This Korean hounded me to hurry when she performed the HJ. Well, I hurried alright. Right out of the fuc_ing door along with my customary $40 tip. The only "poor slob" is the monger that allows the provider to control the situation. Of all my visits, both US and MX, I have never been told to pay the tip up front. Only the fixed costs of the house fee.

Don't know if it's different here in Central Mexico, but the universal proverbial statement is.

"He who holds the gold makes the rules."

Unbelievable. Letting a hooker have the "upper hand" or control my financial situation? If I wanted that, I would go get married.

[Mill Just]

LOL. I'd like to see the poor slob who tries to withold payment after getting "bad" service...I think the whole "paying the girl afterwards" deal is just a way to make the customer feel better, like he's getting the upper hand in the deal.

However, we have to realize that from the very first moment we decide to pay a chica for sex, THEY have the upper hand, no matter what. That's why we have sites like this where guys discuss girls, their scams and the scammy clubs they come from...and that's why its so frustrating to see knowledeable guys go out of their way to NOT share info. We need to look after eachother, brothas, and make sure that the next guy doesn't step into the steaming pile of shit that we narrowly avoided.

There are a couple of things here... you are withelding the money thinking that way you'll get a better service???
You are pretty wrong there.

And if you get a bad service... what?
You are not going to pay?

I just don't get it... what is the difference of paying up front or later???

I mean, you have to pay... if you don't pay, you are pretty getting into deep trouble next time they see you around.

[Mill Just]

Porker...

I guess it all comes down to taste. I have very rarely seen an Asian girl who has appealed to me physically. Just not my thing. Many Mexican girls are also not my thing...but take the hottest Latin girl and stack her up to the hottest Asian girl and there's absolutely no debate who comes out on top...at least in my opinion. I think as mongers we all have "our thing" and no amount of nay-saying can change our minds. It's not stupidity to not go somewhere when the chicas just don't appeal to them. Would you go to a Chinese restaurant when you don't like Chinese food?

And, therefore, a 24-hour flight across the globe does not hold any interest for me when what I want is just at arms length. Duh!

And with regard to the submissive attitude that many like in SEA...also not my thing. I like to bite a chica that will bite me back. I want a real, live human being and not a blank-headed sperm depository who would probably eat that DOG FOOD if you gave it to them...again, just my personal tastes.

Have Fun

Any of you bashing Asia without ever having gone their are exercising extreme stupidity. And as USB mentions, it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes. And I have seen the looks that some of you are calling "expensive meals", and all I gotta say about that is that DOG FOOD would probably be a very satisfying meal if you had never had anything better! Mexican prostitutes are really, really poor substitutes for their Asian sisters in any category you care to mention.

[MonterreyDude]

MJ says: "Whatever the case, though, you will never, ever see me in SEA for mongering. I'd rather have an expensive meal that tastes great than a bland meal that is very cheap and readily available"


BINGO!!!

I don't want to say anything too controversial here because I don't want to risk Uno not bringing me cookies when he comes to Morelia, but...

Finding a good GFE (and I mean really good GFE) is a bit of a catch-22 situation because you're not going to get it if the chicas see you as a customer, but you'd never get to meet them unless you were a customer...Go figure! The only solution, as Carlos said, is either to set your standards lower and go for a less beautiful chica who knows she HAS to give better service than her stunner amigas OR get ready to work a chica for years in order to get what you want from her.

Whatever the case, though, you will never, ever see me in SEA for mongering. I'd rather have an expensive meal that tastes great than a bland meal that is very cheap and readily available.

[Mill Just]

I don't want to say anything too controversial here because I don't want to risk Uno not bringing me cookies when he comes to Morelia, but...

Finding a good GFE (and I mean really good GFE) is a bit of a catch-22 situation because you're not going to get it if the chicas see you as a customer, but you'd never get to meet them unless you were a customer...Go figure! The only solution, as Carlos said, is either to set your standards lower and go for a less beautiful chica who knows she HAS to give better service than her stunner amigas OR get ready to work a chica for years in order to get what you want from her.

Whatever the case, though, you will never, ever see me in SEA for mongering. I'd rather have an expensive meal that tastes great than a bland meal that is very cheap and readily available.

Porker, check your email...I am back to MTY 9/29-10/6.

With respect to Asian girls, the only Asian girls these guys know of Porker, is the ones that have wildly, but attractively, deluted blood lines from ancestors that may have come to Mexico 150 years ago to do the labor that the Mexicanos would not do. Uhmmmm, dejavue...

They do not fully appreciate the "altruistic sainthood" that we know exists in Asia, verdad. It is NOT all price gentleman...but, admitedly, the travel time will kill ya.

I'm not complaining about my precious Mexicanas. Frankly, I prefer their looks, and the charm of their culture to all other nationalities...

BUT, and this a big BUT, it only took me SIX FRICKIN' YEARS to find (1) Mexicana that comes even remotely close in her delivery of attitude and attentiveness that is routinely available in Asia from 95% of the girls. But who's counting???

If I factor in the price points, travel time not withstanding, it just starts to make me cry, so I try not to think about it. Have a nice day Carlos, MJ...

[MonterreyDude]

Mill, as you say, living here as a local (as you are local in Morelia) really gives you the truely GFE some can only dream and others that only get a small sample.

Our friend Porker lives in Saltillo, 40 minutes away from Mty, a desert for his tastes so he used to come to Mty for fun.

Now he hoards money just to go to SEA for fun 3 times a year.
I do agree that SEA might be a paradise, but for those whose travel habits take them over there. SEA is to damn far away to do those trips as routine just for a couple of days of fun to justify that it is cheaper than Monterrey.

Porker...

Maybe I understood wrong from a previous post, but are you an American living and working in Mexico? If so, then, you'd understand better than anyone just how important all this boring price stuff is. So, thanks, man...

As for me: When I was an American tourist bringing dollars to spend in Mexico, the money thing wasn't a big issue at all. Now that I'm living here and making pesos, money is a crucial element...So the money issue is essential when scoping out a new mongering destination and it hasn't been discussed enough in certain areas of the board.

We, the gringos working in Academia in Mexico have to either find other, cheaper sources of actvity (i.e. MPs, SWs, etc) or simply settle for having our 5-star service a lot less often. But I guess that you take the good with the bad because our living here also provides us with a better chance to get a real GF or get a better working arrangement with providers. Plus, year-long 80 degree weather and cheap Mexican food? Who can complain...?

[Mill Just]

Porker...

Maybe I understood wrong from a previous post, but are you an American living and working in Mexico? If so, then, you'd understand better than anyone just how important all this boring price stuff is. So, thanks, man...

As for me: When I was an American tourist bringing dollars to spend in Mexico, the money thing wasn't a big issue at all. Now that I'm living here and making pesos, money is a crucial element...So the money issue is essential when scoping out a new mongering destination and it hasn't been discussed enough in certain areas of the board.

We, the gringos working in Academia in Mexico have to either find other, cheaper sources of actvity (i.e. MPs, SWs, etc) or simply settle for having our 5-star service a lot less often. But I guess that you take the good with the bad because our living here also provides us with a better chance to get a real GF or get a better working arrangement with providers. Plus, year-long 80 degree weather and cheap Mexican food? Who can complain...?

Haven't read much here for awhile, behind on my homework, but some stuff:

Drink prices: YOUR beer will usually cost between $1.75 and 3 bucks, with the average at the mid-range clubs 2 bucks or less. Ladies' drinks range from 5-15 bucks usually. Be careful in the "higher class" places because girls often are brought a double drink whether you or the girl asked for it or not. Most customers are extreme pussies and won't say a word about this because they don't want their high-class prostitute to think they are cheap. These same guys almost NEVER get laid by those girls.

Sex prices: You can get laid in the massage places for 150-300 pesos. The sex ranges from average to bad. But for some here that are RAH RAH MTY, it surely IS a much better value than what you can get in the States. Sex in the truly private dances (not those conducted in a semi-private area like the medium-priced ripoff places specialize in) can be had from 20-30 bucks plus the cost of the privados. The girls you will find in even the lower end strip clubs can be quite attractive. USB has done a great job of talking about the costs of his "salidas" from the strip clubs. If you are willing to spend it, 150 bucks will get you some good GFE in MTY with a pretty hot girl.

Thanks to all of the guys here for keeping up their posts.

Re: Wasted's comment about MTY girls becoming "hardened pros", it all depends on your perspective. I'd bet most wouldn't seem that way to someone used to dropping 300-500 USD a day, but to ME, they make Asian girls look like altruistic SAINTS.

Re: girl friendly hotels, andybody ever stay at the Holiday Inn Express? With their parking lot setup, seems like it's be easy to get a girl to one's room without the front desk knowing anything. Of course, maybe they have parking lot security extorting bribes -- I've never stayed there, so I don't know.

[MonterreyDude]

Mill Just passed along several questions that are valid.
(See post and questions further down)
But I have some observations.

Monterrey has been visited by many mongers that have consulted this Thread, not to mention other mongers from other forums.
Here and in the other ones, I have been asked to help them out on their visits, so has USB.
I think both USB and me have tried our best to pull them thru.

It is their prerogative, but coming close to none, no one has posted their experiences here in the city.
It is vital to see fresh point of views, but it is also the choice of the monger if he wants to post or not.
More or less I have always prefered to see the interpretation of this experience, to know what he thinks of the city, the clubs, the girls, than to read posts on the specific adventure with a girl.
You know, a human being will act different with me and will act different with Wasted. I have girls that do not like Wasted, girls that adore him (above money and a FS), and so do I. I had a girl at the Prestige that would leave whom so ever customer she is sitting to come over with me.

I have been asked for names, and I do give out names, but only when PMed, never in the open.
Here is why: As usual, there are those that print the forum page and carry it to the club and show it to the girls and tell them "look, the club in the web and here it says that you do such and such things".

You guys know how many times I've heard this? TONS, not many, TONS.

My Harem girls told me 2 weeks ago that one of my members of my Monterrey Yahoo group (like the ISG, but local) aproached her with not one print out, but with 5 pages worth of info and he was going throught the girls mentioned there AND showing her and telling her that they were famous cause all the guys were sharing their info.
My girl asked me "do you know that in the internet their is a webpage that has club info" and comissioned me to search it and come back and tell her about it.

This is one of the reasons why I opt not to do names, hell I should opt not to do anything, but I still do it cause I want to help guys coming down here.

I'll be back... gotta run.
Any thoughts on this?????






Originally Posted by Mill Just
It has been brought to my attention via PM by several of my virtual buddies on the ISG that they want more info brought forth by the most knowledgeable posters in the Monterrey section: Carlos, Uno and Wasted. Now that Uno has his own private detention hall here, maybe you guys can post this info on the regular Monterrey thread.

The info they have mostly requested is:

1) How much are your drinks/chica drinks at the various clubs (Can you even believe that after thousands of posts by you guys, most people have no idea how much certain things cost in the clubs? C'mon guys...).

2) Reviews of the clubs (#of chicas, quality of chicas, etc.)

3) Reviews of the chicas (something that you all refuse to do because of the whole, silly "my girl, your girl" selfish mongering)

4) Safety issues at the clubs (rip-offs, short-changing, etc)

5) A full run down of prices (Salidas, privadas, FS, BJ, HJ, etc)

I just thought I'd pass this on to you guys. It could be a way for Uno and Wasted to overcome their MTY withdrawals and, at the same time, actually contribute some logistical info to the board. Or would you all just like to continue high-fiving eachother for bagging a hooker?

[Mill Just]

As MJ once suggested, I am seriously considering paying her to get out of the biz. We will see what that entails. But, frankly, when I come to MTY lately, I routinely spend about $1200 on entertainment, entertainment that is nowhere near the satsifaction I get from my G girl. I would gladly give it to her were she to work a regular job and take my supplemental income each month, seeing me for the week I am here.

Uno, let me just say that when I offered that advice it was meant as a way to smarten you up- tough love ,as they say. You would be giving that money to her to retire and she would be, without a doubt, cashing your checks while still in the business. It was a way to point out that these girls are there because they WANT to be there. Well, maybe not "want" in the sense that we want a new car or a nice meal, but they "want" in the sense that they have made their decisions and there is very little turning back.

Think logically here: She says that she's stopped going on salidas, but she also says that the only reason that she's working in the clubs is that she needs money for her sick mom. So, in essencene, do you believe that she's stopped making that same money, the reason she's there in the first place, just because you come to visit her? Sounds to me like the ol' squeez play routine...and even if it isn't:

How many of us have felt the desperate need for money (for sick family members, tremendous debt, etc..)? and how many of us have robbed a convenience store or sold drugs to get that money? Only those predisposed to doing such things will do them. Same thing with the working chicas. Those well-adjusted people in desperate need of money, don't sell themselves (in any culture). Do you know what desperately poor people do here in Mexico to make money? They go to the United States to work. There are many ways that money can be made, but she entered into a lifestyle that fed into her specific pathology.

That pathology is what steers them into the business- not need of money. The money just makes it easier for them to stay put and to justify what they do. In essence, these girls are damaged goods before we ever get to them. And no matter how nice we treat them when we are with them or the attention we shower upon them, we can't be so naive as to think that we would ever be able to "save" them. Impossible. We are, after all, their clients; clients who are feeding into the industry that feeds their specific pathologies, etc...It would be like a drug addict trying to straighten out a drug dealer and put him on the right path while all the while still buying drugs from him.

Plus, as Carlos mentioned, you don't really have an idea of Mexican culture and, especially, Mexican culture at the lower socio-economic level. Give one of them a big check for the month and it will be gone by the end of the first day...and most of it would be wasted on dumb things and loans to family members who never intend to pay them back.

I have known a few people who have made it their goal to make a working girl an "honest" girl and all of those girls invariably returned to the business and left the guy with empty hands and a devasted bank account.

Their world is not so simple. And it is a black hole. It's futile to even try to understand what they go through. Imagine a European, for example, a well-off French man falling for a big, fat, crack-addicted street walker and then trying to save her from herself because he loves her so dearly. Ridiculous, verdad? Impossible, veradad? Well, that's what you sound like.

The best we can ever hope to do is to treat these girls with respect when we are with them and be happy in the knowledge that while we are with them for that limited amount of time, at least they are not with some abusive and violent client who may do them harm.

[Member #3453]

NO....nonononononononnn, no,no,no,no.....

You see, without the GFE, there is just no reason to go on. The GFE must prevail, whether acted out or not, or I am simply NOT INTERESTED. Oh well, we are beating a dead horse.


QUOTE=Mill Just]Ummm...No, no and NO! NO...NO...NO...and once again, NO! What you should say is that they are good at providing the kind of service that their clients like. And, I can say without doubt, that the majority of the chicas actually prefer a cold, quick and mechanical "relationship" with a client because they simply will never see a client as a BFE. Of course, though, there are the more wicked ones who attempt to be all things to all people...(and those are the ones that the more impressionable foreign mongers tends to fall for).

There, my friend UNO, is where your formula veers off course and into the abyss. Ken has 100% the right attitude on mongering, an attitude that will yield years upon decades of satisfying experiences whereas your approach eventually fizzles out because the idea at the base of your approach is flawed. Simply put: there are no honest hookers. There may be honest women working as hookers, but when they are in the role of sexoservidoras, none are to be trusted (unless they have like 1 or 2 weeks on the job and haven't changed yet).[/QUOTE]

[El Cabron 007]

My Hopes And Dreams Are All Shattered. I am crushed. I am now aimless.

There are no honest hookers?

Obviously, MJ, the Republicans do not share your opinion: http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_arch.../6/304533.html

Hey, if a hooker can make it into the white house, why can't she make it into our hearts? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422545/posts but she is an "Honest Hooker" http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=44918 at least when compared to the white house. A hooker will tell you she is screwing you.

I just came up with a joke. What is the difference between our government and a hooker?

Wasted

There, my friend UNO, is where your formula veers off course and into the abyss. Ken has 100% the right attitude on mongering, an attitude that will yield years upon decades of satisfying experiences whereas your approach eventually fizzles out because the idea at the base of your approach is flawed. Simply put: there are no honest hookers. There may be honest women working as hookers, but when they are in the role of sexoservidoras, none are to be trusted (unless they have like 1 or 2 weeks on the job and haven't changed yet).