Racism against foreigners in Thailand

[Run Mann]

I would bet my bottom dollar that with the right roll and demeanor I could easily walk into any Japanese only club in Thailand. .

Lots of good advice in your post Joe but you would easily lose this bet. These clubs are set up for Japanese males who will pay a higher rate than Mr. Falang without flinching or haggling over price and they're easier on the girls. These clubs advertise to Japanese customers that their girls are clean (primarily because) they never go with Falangs so you being in the club would contravene one of the club's main selling points and offend the club's clientele. But as you said, in the unlikely event you did get in, the girls would never go with you and why would they when going with the Japanese John is so much easier and rewarding for them?

[Margaya]

I would like to know which bars or gogo places to avoid during my next visit to BKK and Patayaa. I know rainbow4 is one such establishment. Can someone please let me know if there are others?

Thanks

[Rippa]

I am black and to be honest I have had limited problems in SE Asia and have never had problems in Thailand. A lot of getting into clubs / bars has to do with how you carry yourself. If you approach a bar / club with a large group talking loudly and acting obnoxious (that is the stereotype for your ethnic group) , you may not be let in. At the end of the day money talks the majority of the time and for people with business sense it can often trump preconceived notions and old wives tells. I would bet my bottom dollar that with the right roll and demeanor I could easily walk into any Japanese only club in Thailand. Truthfully, getting in would be the easy part and leaving with a woman would be the hard part because the women who pick only Japanese / Korean men generally do it not just for the high prices but the ease of the work. I have had countless sex workers tell me things like: some Japanese men don't want boom-boom they just want to watch, some just take me to dinner, some just take me to sit with their friends and most shockingly some boom-boom and I not feel. Compare those comments to another American who once told me that he never gets upset when a chick picks a Japanese over him because that guy may fuck her for 3 minutes and he is going to go as long and hard as he can.

That being said. For those of you pretending that it is not a big deal or that it is okay for a business to discriminate it is probably because it has not happened to you. Each time I have been turned away the person doing it has always been polite and apologetic (it usually has to do with fear of me having a huge dick) , but I would probably be pretty upset if I was not only turned away but treated like I was less than human.

For other people with dark skin or even local guys (I have met many SE Asian women who will not go with the men from their own country) I have a bit of advice. No matter where you go walk in like you belong; when you are well dressed, exude confidence or just look like you have a touch of class you are usually treated appropriately. Take your passport and don't be afraid to tell where you are from. I can usually spot an African, but I have little doubt that most Asians can tell (especially because on my first trip to Laos I was first asked if I was Indian and then African). Be willing to take the girl who is less than gorgeous. I went to a health club in Penang and was almost turned away when the captain learned that I was "negro" and not Indian. He informed me that there was only one girl I could have and if my dick was too big for sex she would only be able to do BJ / HJ. She was clearly older than the rest, but damned if she did not earn every penny. A couple of weeks ago in Laos, I was turned away from a brothel because of my skin and then flagged down by a less than beautiful chick who said yes. It was late but I was the only guy that night to take her (she had darker skin and had coated her face with white makeup because the local men prefer white skin) , but again she earned every penny. Take the time to put the girls mind at ease. If she thinks that you won't pay, tell her that you will pay up front if she will leave her I'd and cellphone at the reception desk. If she thinks you might be too big for her, let her know that if she will blow you to completion you will stop if she asks you to (be careful though because some are plain lazy). Lastly, build as much good will as possible. Flirt with cashiers and mamasans. Also, make sure that whatever chick you take, you treat right because they do talk.

Lots of sage advise in your words here, Joe L. Discrimination against Punters of all races and nationalities occurs ALL THE TIME and AROUND THE WORLD. But as you so eloquently pointed out, there ARE ways to work around much of it. As a gwailo I've been 'shunned' and even refused service several times in Asia, though never in South America. I believe it's part cultural, and part the old, 'Oh, you too big' thing. Trickiest areas, for me, have been Korea and especially Japan. But good, GFE experiences can be had even in those places if one follows your suggestions. Dress and act the part, be generous with your attention and your smiles, and take the time to learn some of the 'pleasure words' in the local language. 'Please', 'Thank You', and 'You are very pretty' go a damn long way even if you aren't fluent otherwise.

[Joe Looking]

I am black and to be honest I have had limited problems in SE Asia and have never had problems in Thailand. A lot of getting into clubs / bars has to do with how you carry yourself. If you approach a bar / club with a large group talking loudly and acting obnoxious (that is the stereotype for your ethnic group) , you may not be let in. At the end of the day money talks the majority of the time and for people with business sense it can often trump preconceived notions and old wives tells. I would bet my bottom dollar that with the right roll and demeanor I could easily walk into any Japanese only club in Thailand. Truthfully, getting in would be the easy part and leaving with a woman would be the hard part because the women who pick only Japanese / Korean men generally do it not just for the high prices but the ease of the work. I have had countless sex workers tell me things like: some Japanese men don't want boom-boom they just want to watch, some just take me to dinner, some just take me to sit with their friends and most shockingly some boom-boom and I not feel. Compare those comments to another American who once told me that he never gets upset when a chick picks a Japanese over him because that guy may fuck her for 3 minutes and he is going to go as long and hard as he can.

That being said. For those of you pretending that it is not a big deal or that it is okay for a business to discriminate it is probably because it has not happened to you. Each time I have been turned away the person doing it has always been polite and apologetic (it usually has to do with fear of me having a huge dick) , but I would probably be pretty upset if I was not only turned away but treated like I was less than human.

For other people with dark skin or even local guys (I have met many SE Asian women who will not go with the men from their own country) I have a bit of advice. No matter where you go walk in like you belong; when you are well dressed, exude confidence or just look like you have a touch of class you are usually treated appropriately. Take your passport and don't be afraid to tell where you are from. I can usually spot an African, but I have little doubt that most Asians can tell (especially because on my first trip to Laos I was first asked if I was Indian and then African). Be willing to take the girl who is less than gorgeous. I went to a health club in Penang and was almost turned away when the captain learned that I was "negro" and not Indian. He informed me that there was only one girl I could have and if my dick was too big for sex she would only be able to do BJ / HJ. She was clearly older than the rest, but damned if she did not earn every penny. A couple of weeks ago in Laos, I was turned away from a brothel because of my skin and then flagged down by a less than beautiful chick who said yes. It was late but I was the only guy that night to take her (she had darker skin and had coated her face with white makeup because the local men prefer white skin) , but again she earned every penny. Take the time to put the girls mind at ease. If she thinks that you won't pay, tell her that you will pay up front if she will leave her I'd and cellphone at the reception desk. If she thinks you might be too big for her, let her know that if she will blow you to completion you will stop if she asks you to (be careful though because some are plain lazy). Lastly, build as much good will as possible. Flirt with cashiers and mamasans. Also, make sure that whatever chick you take, you treat right because they do talk.

[NicFrenchy]

Unfortunately be it us or be it Arabs or in some cases Africans, there is a mindset among certain people because of the fact that some of our own have tarnished our image! Can't help it, but yes I do not like to be looked down upon or ill treated and make sure that like above if tangled in such a situation take appropriate stand!

Avoid Thaniya then, The Japanese Bars Cater only to Japanese People. It's not about Colored (Indians, Blacks, Arabs) anymore but includes everyone. In all Fairness, there is a Bar / restaurant in Khao San that is only for Jews. You must show your passport to even Enter the place (they have a huge bouncer at the door).

For me, I could not care less. When I go to the Middle east, the locals force me to abide their stupid Religious bullshit so I'm not going to shed a tear over them being discriminated against in Thailand. Fuck it.

[Horny Landoora]

If some clubs don't want to entertain certain nationalities / colors / types whatever, they should just make it clear politely. If I had known Rainbow4 was one such place, I would not have bothered to visit them.

I had similiar experience considering the fact that am also Indian punjabi. The guy was quite rude on the entrance but when he taunted me for the membership I told him if its about money then let me show him who he is dealing with and took out a bundle. He then knew my intention was unlike some people from my own country who go there and have a single beer and expect a blow job on the spot for free! I did walk in thereafter bought some pegs of scotch, few drinks for girls then walked out without bar fining someone! I would have not spend more than 3000 baht in the bar but they understood I mean business.

Unfortunately be it us or be it Arabs or in some cases Africans, there is a mindset among certain people because of the fact that some of our own have tarnished our image! Can't help it, but yes I do not like to be looked down upon or ill treated and make sure that like above if tangled in such a situation take appropriate stand!

[NicFrenchy]

I got verbally abused by a German guy today. Does this count?

[MikeForFun]

Discrimination is practiced by everyone, think about it, you do or you don't fuck ugly girls etc, it is only the white countries with their pc blinkers on that think they can change the world. The vietnem war has been over for 30 years, yet Japan has accepted only one vietnamese for resettlement, and he is on welfare because no jap company will give him a job. In Asia racial discrinination is alive and well, and supported by governments, why you think they let us whiteys fuck the dark skinned girls and keep the best white ones for themselves.

Aussiedoug, like your viewpoint. Especially your observations on thai girls. It is true that the real Thai girls are much more beautiful than you find in bars. Sadly, that is what seems to be offer.

[Cocopops77]

Chill Tony your mexican buddy will be fine!

Quote Originally Posted by Tony Hoeprano [View Original Post]

I just met up with an old friend from back in the days on Facebook, had some lunch with him, and was telling him of some of my exploits in Thailand and he is really itching to tag along next time I visit. He's single with no kids nor a whole lot of responsibilities tying him down. The only concern I have for him, is he's half Mexican, somewhat dark and would suffer from racial discrimination from the Thai babes. Heck, when we were young his nickname was either "the brown one" or "Turd"

Will the girls ignore him because they think he's Indian or Arab? He has a goatee and I told him to shave it off before he comes to LOS.

I have just come back from a 4 week trip to heaven sorry I meant Thailand and from my personal experiance your mexican buddy should be fine. I was born and bred in the uk and have a pakistani background. Me and my buddies have spent the past month in Thailand and true some thai girls are racist but who gives a $%£. There was a dark skinned indian guy who was a cross between APU from the simpsons and the elephant man who had a different Russian supermodel with him every second night in my hotel so money talks at the end of the day. I spent a few days in phuket and a few days in Bangkok but most of our trip was spent in Pattaya. I went from soi 6/7/8 all the way to the top end of walking street and didn't encounter any problems must have had about 28 different chicks during my time here from ST 500 to a few super stunners at 2500LT (BUT no LADY BOYS HONEST) NO chick had a problem BUT it depends on the individual. True ARABS and INDIANS don't have a good rep here and it makes life a little tricker if you are a "non whitey" like me but who cares you just got to treat it as a game. When the chicks realised we werent indians or arabs they were cool. A few points to note are be nice and friendly to everyone you would be amazed wot a little smile can do. Be clean, tidy and smell good and you will be laughing all the way to the bedroom and beyond. One night my buddies and I picked up some girls from a bar and the boss wouldn't let the girls leave with us cause she thought we had 100 cousins back in the bedroom we all pulled out our different hotel key cards at the same time and the whole place was shocked and then erupted in laughter- then the boss just smiled and let the girls leave. Another time one of the bars charged me 500 bht for a bar fine then my girl later told me that the boss charged me more cause he didn't like arabs WTF! I did notice that one of my darker mates got some funny looks especially when we went to some of the top bars in walking street but when most people heard our accents they were cool. Overall I had a great time here saw a lot of crazy shit met a lot of good people thais and americans\aussies\brits and I personally think your mexican buddy will be fine I really thought I had done my bit too improve racial harmony here in the land of smiles but then some iranian assholes messed it all up again I just know I am going to have to spend a long time at the thai airport next time I come here anyway hope you and your mexican buddy have fun I am sure you will and you know you will.

[AussieDoug]

I am not sure how this argument is related to denying entry to brown skinned person in a bar. If you follow this line is reasoning, it is ok for any restaurent, theater, hospital in Pattya to deny entry to Indians as they do not have much of "investment" in Pattaya. Following the same logic, Thai people should be denied entry into Singapore, Japan and Korea becasue "they take out money, not bring it in".

Discrimination is practiced by everyone, think about it, you do or you don't fuck ugly girls etc, it is only the white countries with their pc blinkers on that think they can change the world. The vietnem war has been over for 30 years, yet Japan has accepted only one vietnamese for resettlement, and he is on welfare because no jap company will give him a job. In Asia racial discrinination is alive and well, and supported by governments, why you think they let us whiteys fuck the dark skinned girls and keep the best white ones for themselves.

[Wandere]

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1254495]Westerners have been brain washed by this caste thingy problem which was declared legally illegal after independence in 1947. In fact in exists in reverse format now where children belonging to so called scheduled castes and tribes have seats / jobs reserved for them based solely on low caste status. I had to secure 86. 8% marks to get into engineering, scheduled caste students needed 6. So who is discriminating against who? One of the major reason why I left India & hate it. Nothing wrong with giving a helping hand to poor but bright students but to reserve seats and jobs for them based on atrocities done to their forefathers is thuggery.

There are always two sides to every story.

The problem of may bars not allowing dark skinned people is perhaps becuase many such people misbehave and are too frugal and hence waste of time. I am myself not a big fan of Indians, after all their behaviour was part of reason why I chose to leave India. However it is racism in plain terms.

I am with you partially to the extent the dark skinned persons are percieved to be spend thrift / perspiring etc

[Margaya]

Quite funny how some indians can complain about things such as "racism" and "discrimination" when their own society with the caste system characterizing it is probably among the most, if not the most, discriminating one in the whole world.

Westerners have been brain washed by this caste thingy problem which was declared legally illegal after independence in 1947. In fact in exists in reverse format now where children belonging to so called scheduled castes and tribes have seats / jobs reserved for them based solely on low caste status. I had to secure 86. 8% marks to get into engineering, scheduled caste students needed 6. So who is discriminating against who? One of the major reason why I left India & hate it. Nothing wrong with giving a helping hand to poor but bright students but to reserve seats and jobs for them based on atrocities done to their forefathers is thuggery.

There are always two sides to every story.

The problem of may bars not allowing dark skinned people is perhaps becuase many such people misbehave and are too frugal and hence waste of time. I am myself not a big fan of Indians, after all their behaviour was part of reason why I chose to leave India. However it is racism in plain terms.

If some clubs don't want to entertain certain nationalities / colors / types whatever, they should just make it clear politely. If I had known Rainbow4 was one such place, I would not have bothered to visit them.

Hopefully Thailand will overcome this problem in near future.

[MikeForFun]

Quite funny how some indians can complain about things such as "racism" and "discrimination" when their own society with the caste system characterizing it is probably among the most, if not the most, discriminating one in the whole world.

Sorry, I am still not clear how this argument is able to justify denying entry to a brown skinned person in a bar in Thailand or anywhere else in the world. Would you not agree it is similar to aparthield in South Africa? For the record, caste system is equally wrong but let us not use it in justifying another wrong.

Honestly, I have no issue if a bar girl does not like Indians but denying entry reeks of racism.

[LittleTruths]

Indian need to reflect on their behaviour first before accusing others of racism.

Quite funny how some indians can complain about things such as "racism" and "discrimination" when their own society with the caste system characterizing it is probably among the most, if not the most, discriminating one in the whole world.

[MikeForFun]

I don't know why some Indians pretend to be stupid. Thai ladies are not racist but have preferences. They like farangs, meaning white Europeans because these people care about them. Farangs marry them and take them to their countries. Now let's see the financial benefits that farangs, Arabs and Indians bring to Thailand. First, farangs or Europeans. These people have invested heavily in the development of Pattaya, most bars, malls and restaurants are financed by farangs. For this reason they are respected in Thailand. Second, Arabs. They have less investment in Pattaya but the money they spend in shopping and in leisure is incredible. In South Pattaya most hotels are occupied by Arabs. Third, Indians like you. What do you bring to Pattaya? Thai people do not like Indians for one big reason: Indians, instead of bringing money to Pattaya they take money out of Pattaya. They come to stay and work illegally by paying the Thai police. They don't go to any bars for drink and never shop. They take ladies from the beach who do not have any I'd cards. Finally, let me tell you one thing, if you looked like an Arab I am dead sure they would have allowed to get in.

I am not sure how this argument is related to denying entry to brown skinned person in a bar. If you follow this line is reasoning, it is ok for any restaurent, theater, hospital in Pattya to deny entry to Indians as they do not have much of "investment" in Pattaya. Following the same logic, Thai people should be denied entry into Singapore, Japan and Korea becasue "they take out money, not bring it in".