Racism against foreigners in Thailand

[Blunderer]

Prof was a hard core feminist and freaked out completely.

My 200th post is to say that I had a good chuckle at that! Hardcore feminists are a bunch of people that don't bother me too much ideologically, induce the mental equivalent of hives on a practical level - suffice to say, there are none on my Xmas list.

Outside the obvious practical failings of your premise, I'd say it was doomed to fail anyway. We are instinctively tribal and we will continue to define members of our own tribes based on arbitrary criteria. Race is one which has been around for a long time - but there are more recent ones that are just as ridiculous, members of rival football clubs in England brawling for example.

I think of all this (including racism) as probably a form of community Darwinism - those tribes which could oust their neighbors would be able to claim the resources the neighbors held and thrive. In the modern world, the divisions are more complex, so we unconsciously make them up.

If we were all brown with slanty eyes, we'd still find ways to hate each other - humankind's ingenuity knows few limits. The only upside is we might be able to finally get rid of all those left handed arseholes in some sort of righty vs lefty war - no more mouse being left on the wrong side of the computer - woohoo!

[Dickhead]

Oh I am not angry in any way over any of this. Racism is indeed fascinating as is classism and so forth. I consider my mongering trips to be studies in racism and classism. The intellectual benefits of mongering are vast: graduate field work in sociology, economics, history, geography, and foreign languages, at a minimum. Oh yeah and gastronomy. However I would disagree that due to its sensitive nature the topic should be treated more gingerly. I think tiptoeing around the issue is part of the problem and not part of the solution. In one of the sociology courses I took, Social Stratification, I wrote a research paper that argued for compulsory interracial marriage. In three generations everyone is fairly brown and a lot of this goes away. I was like 27% dead serious although who the fuck wants the government messing in who you marry? Prof was a hard core feminist and freaked out completely.

Granted it is a harsh solution but it would work and might even have other genetic benefits.

[Blunderer]

OK, I believe that English is not Giotto's 1st language so there may be a barrier here.

Looks to me like he understood perfectly....

And, Old Thai Handjob did not seem to know that, based on his post. OTH is not a monger, and looks down on them, so I don't know why he posts here. Thus if OTH and Giotto are tight, I might be better off staying somewhere else. I am not in Thailand yet.

I'd ease up a bit there Captain Serenity, you run the risk of violating the policy with regard to personal attacks on other members, and regardless of how annoyed you might be, this forum is a treasure trove of knowledge and it would be a pity if a worthy contributor such as yourself was to lose access.

Besides, if you are going to come up with an insulting variant of OTH, I think you could be a bit more imaginative*

Opinionated Tiresome Harp
Obsessively Telling Half-truths
Obviously Totally Hopeless

* Yes, I apologize, I find him insightful and enjoy reading his posts. I am not aware of any half truths. If anybody argues with the opinionated thing, they are beyond the realms of conventional psychiatric techniques.

I tell you I KNOW that the Thai actress made that statement. My point is her statement was not necessarily inaccurate as Angkor Wat DID once belong to Thailand.

There I think you've missed the relevance. From an external perspective, it doesn't matter two shakes of a shitty chicken whether it was true or not. The point is, the the comment served to create further division between the Thai and Cambodian people.

Have you ever met one of those people who have to be fucking right all the time no matter what... I don't mean as in opinionated, I mean as in factual detail.. correcting their friend's harmless embellishments when a story is being told to a 3rd party, getting reduced to the point of screaming rage over a disagreement about whether it was on Johns Birthday last year that June squeezed Jane's tits or whether it was that other party that John threw a couple of months before. I fucking hate those people. My point is, going to some pains to insist about something of marginal relevance is fucking annoying. Going to pains to insist about something steeped with tension already (as she did) is fucking idiotic. Being right is of not the slightest relevance to how people react to it.

Reminds me of racism. Different skin colours should have fuck all relevance to how people are treated. Unfortunately, 'should' oftentimes has fuck all connection to what actually happens - which, frankly is why I think this thread is useful. We each bring our views on what is to the table so that one and all are forewarned and forearmed. This last is why I find this thread to have great merit.

Further to all that, I find racism an absolutely fascinating subject. It pisses me off that aggression has become part of this thread. It is a very sensitive topic for some, and I do not mean to belittle that sensitivity, but, because of that sensitivity, on this thread, more than others, cooler heads must prevail. Those of you who are sensitive about race should be mindful that anyone from reigning Grand High Demigod Supreme Commander KKK boss type guy through to the black virgin Mary herself can and will participate here. You know there are arseholes out there who believe all sorts of things - hearing them speak isn't exactly going to be a surprise now, is it? Do note that I haven't seen any overtly racist commentary on this thread (but I haven't read it all) - I have seen lots of comments about and descriptions of overtly racist behavior, but that would seem to be the point of the thread.

I reiterate, due to the sensitive nature of the subject, tempers need to be kept in check even more so than normal.

[Dickhead]

Clearly you can't read English well enough to understand what I am trying to say, but then again I can't read Italian. But I will make other arrangements. I can meet arrogant Italian pricks in abundance in Buenos Aires.

[Dickhead]

OK, I believe that English is not Giotto's 1st language so there may be a barrier here. I tell you I KNOW that the Thai actress made that statement. My point is her statement was not necessarily inaccurate as Angkor Wat DID once belong to Thailand. And, Old Thai Handjob did not seem to know that, based on his post. OTH is not a monger, and looks down on them, so I don't know why he posts here. Thus if OTH and Giotto are tight, I might be better off staying somewhere else. I am not in Thailand yet.

What I will do, to be fair and reasonable like the quantitative analyst that I am, is I will stay at Giotto's place for at least one night, hopefully meet the guy, and go from there. I am just not sure based on my reading of his posts that we are on the same page. And, rumor has it that there are several other hotels in Bangkok.

[LittleBigMan]

Dickhead,
What the heck cause you to go off the deep end? The last time we heard from you was about whether you wanted to catch the bus to Pattaya or stay at the airport for hour's. Was the wrong choice of staying at the airport the reason for the outburst.

Not staying at Giotto place because someone said something you didn't agree with isn't very smart. Your both professor and as professor can't we all get along?

LBM

[Giotto]

And just how did you get that from what he wrote?: "a few years ago they burned down the Thai embassy in Phnom Phen when some ignorant Thai actress claimed that Anghor Wat was actually Thai."

I do have a reservation at your place but will probably cancel it now.

Mr. Dickhead,

This statement is completely true. That incident really happened, whether you know it or not. But - I remember it.

So - if that is a reason for not coming to the Lodge - stay away! But - the truth is the truth, my smart friend.


Giotto

[Traveler1234]

I do have a reservation at your place but will probably cancel it now.

Suggest you keep it...it's a great place. G's stable of girls are colorblind, except for green....

[Dickhead]

Mr. Dickhead,

I think this statement about Angk[h]or W[h]at was a very clear from Mr. OTH in this thread,

And just how did you get that from what he wrote?: "a few years ago they burned down the Thai embassy in Phnom Phen when some ignorant Thai actress claimed that Anghor Wat was actually Thai."

I do have a reservation at your place but will probably cancel it now.

[Traveler1234]

1 Monger approaches girl....
2 Girl refuses..or shuns him.
3 Monger walks less than a block or to another bar..
4 finds an even prettier girl
5 fucks her silly all night long..
6 so much for racism in thailand...

LOL...I've read most of these posts where first time visitors/mongers..are asking:

Are thai girls racist...do they like black/brown/yellow guys?

OF course there is racism in thailand...from a visiting mongering perspective it does not matter..who the fuck cares?...for every bar or freelance girl who refuses to sleep with you, u will find 10-20 of equal or higher value that will gladly fuck you silly...

that my friend--was my point in an overly simplified manner...we are not here trying to enter the upper echelons of thai society..

Luv your first post - in 6 short sentences, summed up this entire fucking thread.

OTH - guess you haven't finished your dissertation. Using this forum as a backboard for your class lessons?

[Giotto]

The entire province of Siem Reap, in which Angkor Wat is located (note there are many alternative spellings for that), most certainly was part of Thailand for quite a long time. So, you aren't an English professor and you are not a history professor, and you are not as smart as you think you are.

Mr. Dickhead,

I think this statement about Angk[h]or W[h]at was a very clear from Mr. OTH in this thread, as well as all the discussion in this thread was - ... not that bad, compared to other threads, wasn't it?

Are you as smart as you think [if you write something like this?] ? Now, I know, that I am not as smart at all [otherwise I would not write this report}.

Anyway - Mr. Dickhead - you are invited to come here, write here and show ME that you are smarter than OTH. You chance is - close to zero.



Giiotto

PS: Something to read: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1622

[Dickhead]

The entire province of Siem Reap, in which Angkor Wat is located (note there are many alternative spellings for that), most certainly was part of Thailand for quite a long time. So, you aren't an English professor and you are not a history professor, and you are not as smart as you think you are.

[Dickhead]

"I could care less about your luck with Thai girls." You are a fucking professor and you use this kind of grammar? Shameful. Where did you go to school, the University of Phoenix?

Fellow professor

[Admin]

greetings everyone,

admittedly, this is a delicate subject.

the purpose of this thread is to provide a place for forum members to discuss actual or perceived racial prejudice that they feel may have been exhibited against them by thais, which is a legitimate concern of travelers to thailand.

this thread is not here to provide a place to foster "hate speech" against or denigrate the physical attributes of other races.

actually, i wish that i didn't need to provide this thread in the first place, but experience has taught me that if i don't provide a place for some members to discuss this subject, then the subject will regularly permeate the other threads.

thanks,

jackson

[Old Thai Hand]

that's a very valid point. there is very little room in these girls' lives for abstract predujice. for many, not accepting a customer's offer could mean that she - or her family - won't eat that night. if a girl does refuse, it's for a damn strong reason - usually because of bad experiences in the past with certain groups of customers.

evil

i think that you and lbm have hit the nail on the head as far as p4p girls' attitudes are concerned. they are almost solely based on good and bad experiences.

for example, the dislike of kaek isn't about bad smell, but stems from bad experiences of being stiffed by cheap charlies or worse. one celebrated case last year involved an indian who paid the barfine and took a girl back to his hotel where a group of his friends were waiting. the group gang-raped her all night and sent her packing in the morning bruised and battered and with no money. that kind of experience, well publicized in the press, as it was impressed not only upon the unfortunate girl, but every other girl in p4p to avoid kaek, at all costs. the unfortunate thing is that there have been a number of bad experiences like that, almost always with the same general group of people which has solidified negative attitudes.