Racism against foreigners in Thailand

[Jondoh]

Thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.

I have a friend of Sri Lankan origin and he tells me that he usually gets mistaken for being Indian / Pakistani, much to his ire. The general problem he says is the way Indians / Pakistani's behave.

Their behaviour and how they treat woman (and sorry to say some are quite cheap) , unfortunately reflects on how they get treated. Indian need to reflect on their behaviour first before accusing others of racism. And unfortunately their behviours affects how other South Asians (I. E. Sri Lankans, Nepalese etc) are treated.

[Margaya]

Refer to my recent reports in the Pattaya thread, I am of Indian origin, but look more Arab, just completed a 10-day visit to Pattaya. I think things are getting better, business is not so nice for most clubs and I had no problem entering 90-95 percent of them. After at least one visit of all big clubs of Pattaya, I was only stopped at 4 clubs, Alcatraz, Fahreneit (on WS) , Happy go-go, Beach Club (off WS). Coloured guys, please avoid these clubs, it will just add to the frustration on your visit and it definitely has a psychological effect (you then feel its them vs me and carry this attitude everywhere, it happened to me, so I know). For more details, refer to recent reports in Pattaya thread.

Thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.

[Sami29]

Refer to my recent reports in the Pattaya thread, I am of Indian origin, but look more Arab, just completed a 10-day visit to Pattaya. I think things are getting better, business is not so nice for most clubs and I had no problem entering 90-95 percent of them. After at least one visit of all big clubs of Pattaya, I was only stopped at 4 clubs, Alcatraz, Fahreneit (on WS) , Happy go-go, Beach Club (off WS). Coloured guys, please avoid these clubs, it will just add to the frustration on your visit and it definitely has a psychological effect (you then feel its them vs me and carry this attitude everywhere, it happened to me, so I know). For more details, refer to recent reports in Pattaya thread.

I don't know why some Indians pretend to be stupid. Thai ladies are not racist but have preferences. They like farangs, meaning white Europeans because these people care about them. Farangs marry them and take them to their countries. Now let's see the financial benefits that farangs, Arabs and Indians bring to Thailand. First, farangs or Europeans. These people have invested heavily in the development of Pattaya, most bars, malls and restaurants are financed by farangs. For this reason they are respected in Thailand. Second, Arabs. They have less investment in Pattaya but the money they spend in shopping and in leisure is incredible. In South Pattaya most hotels are occupied by Arabs. Third, Indians like you. What do you bring to Pattaya? Thai people do not like Indians for one big reason: Indians, instead of bringing money to Pattaya they take money out of Pattaya. They come to stay and work illegally by paying the Thai police. They don't go to any bars for drink and never shop. They take ladies from the beach who do not have any I'd cards. Finally, let me tell you one thing, if you looked like an Arab I am dead sure they would have allowed to get in.

[Phish]

Refer to my recent reports in the Pattaya thread, I am of Indian origin, but look more Arab, just completed a 10-day visit to Pattaya. I think things are getting better, business is not so nice for most clubs and I had no problem entering 90-95 percent of them. After at least one visit of all big clubs of Pattaya, I was only stopped at 4 clubs, Alcatraz, Fahreneit (on WS) , Happy go-go, Beach Club (off WS). Coloured guys, please avoid these clubs, it will just add to the frustration on your visit and it definitely has a psychological effect (you then feel its them vs me and carry this attitude everywhere, it happened to me, so I know). For more details, refer to recent reports in Pattaya thread.

thanks Dude. I really wish more people heed to these notification avoid such clubs like the Plague. Any club or hooker thaty stoops so low needs to be treated like Vermin.

[Adrenalinrush]

Refer to my recent reports in the Pattaya thread, I am of Indian origin, but look more Arab, just completed a 10-day visit to Pattaya. I think things are getting better, business is not so nice for most clubs and I had no problem entering 90-95 percent of them. After at least one visit of all big clubs of Pattaya, I was only stopped at 4 clubs, Alcatraz, Fahreneit (on WS) , Happy go-go, Beach Club (off WS). Coloured guys, please avoid these clubs, it will just add to the frustration on your visit and it definitely has a psychological effect (you then feel its them vs me and carry this attitude everywhere, it happened to me, so I know). For more details, refer to recent reports in Pattaya thread.

[Phish]

I was at the doll house in Clnton plaza and they stopped a couple of indians from getting in and said "Sorry member only". They were brits and threw a scene. Then saif FOF, I will give my money next door and left. Really bad. Also I have seen that some will not go out with Blacks or Indian. Bad racist attitide

[Daddy07]

I was reading something related in another thread, and had to come ask. They were specifically about if a certain place or places were "indian-friendly". Is it really that bad where there is a need to ask out of worry about racism and not being let in or being given a hard time?

Yes, it's really that bad.

I've seen Indians waived away by bouncers from the bar door in a very impolite manner.

[CJsweats]

You think Asians have a bad reputation? try talking to the indians...

I was reading something related in another thread, and had to come ask. They were asking specifically about if a certain place or places were "indian-friendly". Is it really that bad where there is a need to ask out of worry about racism and not being let in or being given a hard time?

[NicFrenchy]

You think Asians have a bad reputation? try talking to the indians...

[Deal Seeker]

Deal Seeker,

I will add one more to that... when you speak of bottom rung choices that brings back another memory from the past!

I have a good friend born and raised in the U.S. has a college education and a good job 1st generation Chinese American. Met a girl one day Chinese American 3rd generation! Her mother didn't like him because they expected more for their daughter they wanted a Doctor or a Lawyer along with my friend being too " Chinese to them ". After several years they got marry and after a few years they got a divorce. They say love is blind when it was all over and one of the major things that came out was she after all those years she wanted what she called a normal family as to what the American dream is about!

His parents couldn't speak much English although they were good and kind people who work hard. Therefore, whenever she went over to his parents home she felt alone since she didn't speak any Chinese and she didn't like to eat Chinese food in a real Chinese setting and didn't really understand the Chinese culture. She missed what some of her own friends had which was going shopping with the inlaws etc...?

Years later my buddy found another women more within his own generation that could speak Chinese and had a understanding of the culture they have been married for over 25 years and now their kids are like his first wife. We all no matter what race or where we are at some point will get the red hot poker up our ass!

LBM

Agreed. Asian American girls that know me ask me why I travel to Asia, it's hard to explain to them that I don't feel like I'm "bottom rung" in Asia. Then these same Asian american girls explain to me that they are looking for almost any kind of boyfriend...except Asian.

Me, I blame it on media representations of "what" is considered attractive. If more male Asians were represented in Media as "attractive" I think the paradigm would change.

[LittleBigMan]

Sorry, to say that I have to agree with that. To extend that thought, Asian men are getting to be/already are bottom rung choices for Asian American women.

Deal Seeker,

I will add one more to that... when you speak of bottom rung choices that brings back another memory from the past!

I have a good friend born and raised in the U.S. has a college education and a good job 1st generation Chinese American. Met a girl one day Chinese American 3rd generation! Her mother didn't like him because they expected more for their daughter they wanted a Doctor or a Lawyer along with my friend being too " Chinese to them ". After several years they got marry and after a few years they got a divorce. They say love is blind when it was all over and one of the major things that came out was she after all those years she wanted what she called a normal family as to what the American dream is about!

His parents couldn't speak much English although they were good and kind people who work hard. Therefore, whenever she went over to his parents home she felt alone since she didn't speak any Chinese and she didn't like to eat Chinese food in a real Chinese setting and didn't really understand the Chinese culture. She missed what some of her own friends had which was going shopping with the inlaws etc...?

Years later my buddy found another women more within his own generation that could speak Chinese and had a understanding of the culture they have been married for over 25 years and now their kids are like his first wife. We all no matter what race or where we are at some point will get the red hot poker up our ass!

LBM

[Deal Seeker]

Now Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc... marrying Whites are so common even a Asian can't find a good old fashion Asian women?

Sorry, to say that I have to agree with that. To extend that thought, Asian men are getting to be/already are bottom rung choices for Asian American women.

[LittleBigMan]

Rqrose,

I'm a Chinese American, your point of view is pretty correct. Having been to China before it was ever open as it is now it is interesting to visit but if you work or live there after a while it would be normal to experience the racism that exist. Growing up being discriminated we ourselves did the same within our own culture! The chinese words for Blacks and Whites in general " Black ghost " " White ghost ".

The conversation example you use for the Chinese girl on the Internet brought back some memories as to how many of us thought in the 50'S/60'S regard interracial dating and marriage in the States. Now particular where I was born and raised is so common no one even thinks about it. Now Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc... marrying Whites are so common even a Asian can't find a good old fashion Asian women? Every Asian women thinks and acts like a White? Can't find one that even speak the language or can't cook anything other that Ramen noodle? Many of our parents thought the same way as they do in China now but as years go by and as China becomes more Western it will be more acceptable.

I would like at one time Thailand was like this and still but look around now?

Just a 2 cents though to the past............in joking....... pay back is a B-t-h isn't it?...............LBM

[Jmelbourne]

Said like a white guy who never suffered oppression!

While I do not pretend to understand slavery, in China (most of Asia) and Mexico (most spanish speaking countries) there is constant racism and reverse racism against both black and white.

A few times a week I'll try to catch a bus, the bus will whiz by me and stop directly in front of an Asian person. The bus driver won't look at me and the ticket person will pretend not to understand my Chinese. Yesterday, I told ticket lady my destination over and over even using it in a sentence and telling her the district (which is all you require for the price anyway). Finally the people on the bus all started yelling at the ticket person, saying, "He is speaking Chinese! What is wrong with your ears! "

There is a HUGE and growing amount of racism in China against white and dark skin. Western people have NO idea what we are getting ourselves into with the 'Rise of China' They are so Nationalistic Racist Self-Interested they make the US and the EU look like Patrons.

Don't believe me? Here's a quote from a Chinese Girl's Chat forum about Western Men:

I'm a Chinese female and my parents are from China. They are absolutely against any man that is Western. I have a lot of Chinese female friends who will fool around with a Western guy but will never ever marry them. It's seen in a bad light, having Western/Chinese children, amongst Chinese people because they aren't considered Chinese but merely as "mongrels" (words of a Chinese female friend). Most Chinese people have quite nationalistic views. I myself myself have quite nationalistic views and marrying/having children with a Western man would go totally against my beliefs. I want to have Chinese children. I'm only attracted to Chinese/Korean (yes, I have a weakness) men. I also have a cousin who married a White male and my entire family disowned her. I think slutty Japanese women are more open to marrying/having children with Western men. These views, from what I've witnessed, are shared among many Chinese people they just won't express these views in your presence.

With the Rise of China White and Black will feel the effects in a way not seen since the Muslims Sultans banded together, invaded Europe and kidnapped 100, 000 White Slaves.

Western white or black, we're all in a lot of trouble.

[Sonic]

Three rules I live by in the mainstream and hobbying:

1) Do not do harm physically

2) Do not do harm financially

3) Do not do harm psychologically

Then hard part is making sure that you can prevent if not minimize the harm caused by external forces outside of your control.

"Do no harm." That's nice. like Jainism.

Or, like Wicca/Paganism: 'Do what ye will, and ye do no harm'.

El Minetero

This sounds like a good way to go.