Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Luka22]

Although I love Brazilian girls, from my experience, Rio and the Northeast of Brazil are not cool for chasing non pro garotas (and the country has become very expensive too), I suspect that São Paulo might be a much better scene though...

At least I trust these words from Ricker:

"There are beautiful girls all over the city of SP, and I've met so many, and they are sooo friendly. More friendly and approachable than anywhere I've been.
I have lots of fun here, and you don't have to break the bank. With a little Portuguese and smiles and laughter and respect, you can find beautiful girls, both pro and non pro. Easy."
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=3387

In fact, Ricker is giving me a real desire to get to know São Paulo despite the high prices, the violence, the crazy road traffic, and last but not least... this maniac Datena on Brazil Urgente... lol (this lol is my best attempt at a smiley here. It seems smileys are reserved for older or technologically less impaired members).

São Paulo does seem quite cool for non-pro garotas. In my opinion, it might be due to the facts that in SP:

1. Foreigners are not immediately perceived as sex tourists, as opposed to Fortaleza and Rio for example

2. The city is more developed and thus quite cosmopolitan. So people are more interested in European (or American) culture and gringos than in the rest of Brazil

I would love to hear Prosal's opinion on this one..

(Yet in my view, although Prosal seems perfectly capable of bedding beautiful Brazilian girls, he doesn't appear much interested in their physical features anymore -as compared to tall skinny big-titted FSU girls- and he's probably also tired of their ethnocentrically limited ways of thinking and living... who knows ?)

[Sprite13]

Prosal,
Wanted to reply to you earlier, but after reading your posts, I felt and I feel it is a waste of time. The unfortunate fact is that you were unsuccessful with non pros in Brasil and or burnt by one or several and now, you're here trying to belittle or discredit anyone that has had a different experience than you with the non pros. Stop being so bitter, either move on or give it another go but with a better attitude this time and you'll see, I'm sure, a totally different outcome.

I mentioned and suggested BH and Goiania as good cities for both general quality of the city (safety, cleanliness, efficiency etc) as well as non pros potential. Yes I have yet to go there, and they are very high on my list of next cities to visit in my upcoming trips to Brasil. But I have met and I meet daily people from BH and Goiania where I live. And quite frankly and with all respect due, their opinion and views on these cities are far more reliable and trustworthy than that of some 1 or 2 week a year sex tourist "visitor" like you, in a place over people who have lived there for years. I'm sure and hope you'd agree with that.

Again, being bitter doesn't do any good to you or anyone for that matter. Either move on and stay in FSU, Romania or other EE "hot spots" or give Brasil another try with an open mind and using your previous experiences as a stepping stone to build form there for a better experience.

Boa sorte.

[JohnnyBraz]

Can Jackson please give Prosal his own thread 'FSU in Brazil' with another section 'Brazil in the 90's'. As he causes too many arguments to contribute respectfully on this forum.

[Hughdad]

Once more, I really think we REALLY miss here posters (who) posted lots of judicious and elaborate considerations and perspectives about life in Brasil and brasilian people and had a very objective and very accurate vision of this country, INCLUDING its "dark sides".

BTW anyone with half a brain who has spent more than one afternoon in Brasil knows that brasilians are not trustworthy. There's nothing fundamentally new in that.

Again with the broad generalized statements about an entire nation of people. There are trustworthy and untrustworthy people everywhere. And there are "dark sides" in any country. I can take you to places and introduce to people in the USA that you wish you never visited or met. I think it is just time that everyone here ignores you as you seem to have formed a very negative opinion and are not open-minded. You sound genreally miserable and miserable people suck. I am having a great time here in Brazil (except for the rain). It sounds like you haven't even been to Brazil in quite awhile. Later to you.

[Sperto]

Bro, I think I would have gone home less R$100 on that one.

Afterwards the thought have crossed my mind several times. Still, no need to regret anything that's already done. The problem wasn't that was a payment involved, but P4P wasn't plan A that evening.

[Mr Enternational]

I had an odd "sorting-out-case" in Manaus in a forró club. I met two girls that were smoking hot. In minutes I was kissing both of them at the same time, and the girls told me straight away that they wanted a three-some. They didn't look at all like pro's but still it was to good to be for free. Interrogation-time. Did they want to get paid for having sex? No. Did they want taxi-money (which can mean quite a lot in Manaus)? No. Presents, get bills payed, helping sick mum? No, no, no.

Finally, after more kissing and grabbing on the lower regions, the girls told me that in exchange for having sex they wanted to have their mobile phones recharged with R$ 50 each. I heard a lot of excuses, but that one was new to me.

I left the two girls and met another girl that was for free.

Bro, I think I would have gone home less R$100 on that one.

[Hughdad]

Yeah, I understand, a bit like Sprite, Hughdad, Sperto or your "done this, done that" non pros pontificating allegedly success stories?

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I read all this back and forth, and there certainly seems to be a long-running battle going on.

It has been said and probably beaten to death but: having success with women, ANYWHERE, starts with the monger himself. It has to deal with

His confidence, his appearance, his ability to communicate, his attitude and his innovativeness in getting and holding the attention of the women he pursues. I am not talking about shooting fish in a barrel like drunken sluts in a bar (hopefully almost anyone here can pull from those places).

Like Sperto says: you can't just long for the good old days and the good old places. And the ways things used to B. You have to open your eyes and feel the pulse of what is happening in a town, city or country. Sexual urge is a raw true human emotion and it is in each of us. And just needs to be brought out. Overly simplistic? Perhaps. But I remind myself of this when I am going to be with a woman and it seems to work. Most recently last night with the mulatta bus ticket agent that I have been meeting and helping her with her English studies. She came over her for dinner last night and is asleep in the other room now. She is a dedicated church goer (something someone here mentioned would be a real deterent), and came over after church last night. But that did not stop her. It never came up. There's nothing "alleged" about it. Why do you feel the need to put down my reports as "alleged"? I only share the info as a way of giving confidence to those who seek it. Being with non-pros in Brazil is indeed possible, but the monger has to believe it, have the right attitude and put out something that the ladies want. I would assume that with your attitude you would not be successful. See it. Be it. Not rocket science and I am done with your attempted beat-downs.

And for the record, I do not have 1/100 of the experience that you, Sperto, Sprite, ChristopherD and others here have. I am fairly new to the experinece here. So I do not have the point of reference of the "good old days and good old places". I am experiencing today and trying to live everyday to the fullest. Don't want to sound like a self-help guru. But attitude has a great deal to do with success with the ladies. I appreciate all the info you guys unselfishly share here for us beginners. I am going to make more of an effort to limit my posts to valuable information rather than get caught up in personal battles. While they are entertaining for sure, my time is getting more and more limited. With my work and my new dating experiences (again not "alleged".)

[Sperto]

They could even open a very successful travel agency together: BS & Co (Brazil, Sperto and Co.)

BS & Co. If I can change the name to Bullsh*t & Co I know a preacher who would be my perfect ass-ociate.

[Sperto]

Of course. Admittedly we're both some of the very few members of this board who have *really* (yeah, I'm refering to Sprite) travelled extensively throughout Brasil.
What strikes me is how you don't admit how this playground has changed...
how you can keep on advertising places that are nowadays totally spoiled...

"Playground changed" and "places spoiled"? Yes and no. Cities I visited in 1991, if I compare them with today there has been changes in the scene. Some destinations have been exploited and changed from a "sex-paradise" to a more of a family destination with a Buzios-touch (e g Porto Seguro, still good, but nothing like in the early 90's). Natal used to be excellent, but got ruined by charter tourism. Fortaleza and Salvador have changed scenes quite a lot, not spoilt but only changed. Other cities have a better scene now than before.

You're a fan of Russia and FSU, when I was in Moscow 1988 I found the city impressive but totally uninteresting when it came to nightlife and women. Today the scene have propably changed a lot? Changes are for good and bad.

Sometimes I hear from buddies that Brazil was better in the early nineties. They miss their favourite hangouts and it was easier to get laid for free etc. Usually it comes down to what have changed so much isn't Brazil, but themselves. They have gotten older, balder, have let their bellies growned bigger and lost their "appetite for life".

Going on telling that everything was better in the old days, Brazil, the forum and the posters will not help anyone. You can't act like an old dinosaur.

I enjoy Brazil now just as much (or propably even more) as the first times I went there. I hope I'll be there in 50 years from now. I will be the old toothless guy walking with the stick in the alleys in Vila Mimosa inspecting the ladies.

[Perkele]

I've been following these flame wars for a some time and I have to say that there are interesting points of view here.

First of all in Brasil it is fairly easy to pick up non-pro's, if you are able to communicate and if you know the rules of the game. Also all depends where in Brasil you are. Obviously it is almost impossible to pick a non-pro in the middle of Copacabana, where 99% of sext tourists are. This sex tourism is seen something extremely low here and therefore no gringo in Copacabana get any credit. Move on... move on. Then on the other end there are tons of small towns in Brasil where they haven't even seen a foreigner. In those towns there is another problem, everybody knows eachother. Thus picking women for just a fuck is also very difficult.
Where would an average joe find a non-pro. Everywhere. As soon as you are able to proof that you are not a sex tourist you're good to go. This doesn't mean that you can't do mongering, quite opposite, but you need to hide your dark side. But the key word is COMMUNICATION.
Obviously there are women here who would just grab you from the street just because they like you. That happens too, but keep in mind that when something looks too good to be true in many cases it is so.

Then to Prosal's comment that brasilians are not trustworthy. Well a big poor country like Brasil produces many kinds of people and yes majority here are opportunists. They will leach on you, if you let them. I do not trust anyone, until I get to know of them. Although this doesn't mean that everyone in Brasil is a scumbag. There are loads of humble, poor and honest people here. Majority doesn't even want anything from you. The social differences here are enormous. It is not really a good idea to hang out with some favela people, no matter how well they treat you. Also I would think twice if a girl from any major favela would invite me to visit her. Its not dangerous, but do you really want to be associated with ghetto people? If that is your social background, by all means go, but an average joe here with middle class background... well. I'm not saying that people in favelas are any worse or with less value than middle class or above, just that everybody is watching you and if you are being associated as favela/low class it might be a bit hard to score with middle class women. Trust me, these people TALK.

So for anyone who comes to Brasil, I just have one advice. Relax, but be aware and, as someone said before, be yourself. Don't try to impress anyone with your wealth, that is considered dumb here.

Also remember, Copacabana is not real Brasil. Its a playground for gringoes, mixed with some lowest lifeforms and working girls. A dream, where anyone can be most wanted and best looking guy in the world.

[Prosal]

It seems Prosal hates everybody.

Nice try.

Obviously you prefer to see here silly lying BS nonsense like Sprite enthusiastic advertizings about places where he's actually never been (!!) than my comments about the "dark sides" of Brasil. Good for you. It shows your futility, your tightness, your lack of intelligence and objectivity and your anger though.

Anyway why some of you guys are SO obtuse, controversial, pontificating and eager to flame that one always need to reiterate his position again and again ?

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What strikes me is how you can take such umbrage for me giving observations of the "other side" of Brasil that you resort to pejorative terms and irrelevant statements and how you just keep on stupidly deriding, chiding and insulting the ones who COMMENT on the reality of the life in Brasil and you don't agree with.

Once more, I really think we REALLY miss here posters like Fartknocker, Cutting Edge and some others, who, contrarily to most current posters whose 95% of the posts talk about low-end prostitutes and nasty P4P joints, posted lots of judicious and elaborate considerations and perspectives about life in Brasil and brasilian people and had a very objective and very accurate vision of this country, INCLUDING its "dark sides".

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BTW anyone with half a brain who has spent more than one afternoon in Brasil knows that brasilians are not trustworthy. There's nothing fundamentally new in that.

Don't know what "hate" has to do with it.

[Jan 156]

I actually went back and had a look for Prosal's first post about Brasil still on the search engines (which don't go back that far).

Seems he hated Brasilians even then

"I don't know how you guys who've lived in Brasil for a while are NOT tired of all the bullshit, lying and malicious plots that brasileiros/brasileiras use to try to manipulate gringos and to scam a living off their fellow countrymen.

I personally find that brasilians are some of the most untrustworthy and petty people on earth."

It seems Prosal hates everybody. Then, now, and probably into the future. The Brasilians. The gringos on the forum. Everybody. Quite prosaic.

But if you glance through his stuff, such psychopathology seems reserved for Brasilians and anyone visiting the place. On the eastern europe forums he's like a normal poster. Part of his fun is obviously to spoil our fun. If anyone can find the post where a garota kicked his goolies and put him off us for good, please let me know. Meanwhile it would be nice if Jackson could give him an honorary thread or something. But I suppose if too many people get them it's like a magnet for any ranters to come onto the Brasil forum just to get their name in lights. I give up. It's a public forum. Anyone is free to trash it if they can get away with it.

Thanks for all the fish

[Prosal]

A field report will usually consist of -

When you were there - ie approx dates. This is a useful reference point as things change, as you know.

Who you saw - specifics, whether pros or nonpros, even if not mentioning their names, a bit about them and your specific experience. This is usually more helpful than opinions and generalisations.

Where, exactly if possible, did you find them. Any other details that would be helpful for someone wanting to do the same.

How much it cost you.

Whether you thought it was good value for the time/money invested.

Hummm .. are you Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Mollha Omar or a fuking "thread cleaner" Taliban a la Sperto to dictate what kind of posts are welcome here ?

Your remark is fuking clueless ...perhaps you should let Jackson, rather than one critical know-it-all and argumentative woremonger like yourself, decide whether a style of posting belongs in this forum or not.

And BTW, my posts are of so FEW added-value, maybe you could put me on your ignore list, thanks for it.

[Jan 156]

Yeah, I understand, a bit like Sprite, Hughdad, Sperto or your "done this, done that" non pros pontificating allegedly success stories ?

Doesn't wash, mate. They at least have some stories, you apparently don't.

I've been able to verify several reports by people you mention, though I haven't met any of them. I generally believe people, or at least accept info on face value till I have something better. You don't put up, so there's nowt to believe or disbelieve.

I don't really give a toss about anyone on the board, whether it's you or Sperto or anyone else (though I'd count Euro100 as a friend based on time and so on spent together). I try to post stuff that might be helpful, which is what most people do. Field reports. I'd treat your reports the same as anyone else's if you post any. Still waiting.

[Luka22]

What strikes me is how you don't admit how this playground has changed, how you can take such umbrage for me giving observations of the "other side" of Brasil that you resort to pejorative terms and irrelevant statements, how you can keep on advertising places that are nowadays totally spoiled and how you just keep on stupidly deriding and insulting the ones who COMMENT on the reality of the life in Brasil and you don't agree with.

Well Prosal, even though you seem very close to the reality, I must humbly admit, after having read a lot of Sperto's recent literature and seen his pics, that I changed my view on the whole non-pro Brazilian scene.

I've finally realized that Brazil is a full-fledged paradise for mongerers like Sperto and his followers. They should by all means keep on advertising Brazil's non-pro scene the way they devotedly do and should actually never get out of there.

They could even open a very successful travel agency together: BS & Co (Brazil, Sperto and Co.)

PS How the hell do I put a smiley here?