Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Prosal]

you bash Brazilian women on the Brazilian forum

Oh well, once more, here we go.

Since when saying that Brasil is experiencing an epidemic of obesity or that brasileiras have been brainwashed against bareback sex, which are pure facts, is "bashing" ?

And is there some unsaid rule here that would say that only positive perspectives about Brasil or positive experiences with brasileiras are allowed ?

Sorry for not viewing this country through rose tinted lenses and for not denying reality (nonetheless FYI, I remain a proponent of Sao Paulo scenes and of paulistas though).

Anyway, there's happily on ISG space from any kind of opinions. A public forum doesn't need Taliban wannabes who establish as rules what to say and what not to say.

I have limited experience

That's maybe your problem.

[Jan 156]

Please Gentlemen, this is a Brasil forum - do you want to kill it completely? I quite like some of the posters that have been knocking it, and on the other hand I am frequently at odds with ET. But it really isn't about who agrees with who. If you've said a million times, Rio isn't what it was, or you didn't have a great time, or does everyone agree Russian women are better or whatever - you have said your piece - but please let the forum do its job, so mongers who like Brasil can give useful info to each other on getting good service.

By comparison - twenty pages of where not to eat or why has limited value. Half a page indicating recommended restaurants is helpful, even priceless.

(I've been round the world twice and Brasil is still my favourite place for pussy.)

[Exec Talent]

Russian women are depraved, wild and really into the hardcore (and passionate) no-holds-barred sex, what are not brasileiras. And they are really really naughty. I can't count how many times when a 18-21 years old student type russian girl told me that she liked to get a bottle of vodka or several of cheap champagne with her girlfriends, sit around in one of them's studio, get drunk, and have fun and loudly giggle as they watch some porn video, where they nonetheless very intently study porn queens deep throating monster cocks.

Frankly, I've never heard that from any brasileira, nor from any south american girl !

Oh, also, russian women very rarely (never?) think much about condoms, as plastic is a problem of absolute importance in Brasil. And when it comes to fuk non-pros, plastic is a big turn-off for me. Of course, in that respect, to each its own, but the fact that brasileiras have been literally brainwashed against bareback sex is IMO a very negative point.

All I can say is "it must be you." "It must be you."

I have downloaded most of the porn on the internet in hopes of keep Brazilian girls in a fresh supply. I am not talking about one, but for some reason they ALL seem to love it. And so we are clear, yes, I am talking about non-pros.

You spend a lot of time here bashing Brazilian women based upon your experiences. Have you ever taken just one minute to think -- maybe it is you? My experiences, and I am sure that of several others here, are that we have no problem meeting and relating to non-pro Brazilian women.

I have had limited experience with Russian women, but that too has been good. In fact, I even have had good experiences with American women.

Maybe you bash Brazilian women on the Brazilian forum just to see if you can get a reaction. Seems pretty silly; like wearing a fur coat to a PETA event. If your experiences are so bad, why spend so much time posting about them here? Is it a catharsis? In light of my personal experiences, all I can feel for you is -- pity.

[Prosal]

russians women

Russian women are depraved and wild. And they are really naughty. I can't count how many times when a 18-21 years old student type russian girl told me that she liked to get a bottle of vodka or several of cheap champagne with her girlfriends, sit around in one of them's studio, get drunk, and have fun as they watch some porn video, as they nonetheless also very intently study porn queens deep throating huge cocks.

Frankly, I've never heard that from any brasileira !

Also, russian women very rarely (never?) think much about condoms, as plastic is a problem of absolut importance in Brasil. Personally, when it comes to fuk non-pros, I find plastic a big turn-off. Of course, in that respect, to each its own, but the fact that brasileiras have been literally brainwashed against bareback sex is for me a very negative point.

[Prosal]

Brazil has got it all, but the average girl is so-so.

+1. Beware though, you will not make many friends here by stating this kind of things !!

Anyway there's undoubtedly hot girls in Brasil, but, admittedly, most of those who are hot are usually those from pure euro descent, or those whose euro background is prominent. Which doesn't make - far from that - the majority of the population. Cablocas with strong indian backgrounds are usually rather short and ugly, like in Nordeste or Norte. Concerning black girls, sure there is some hot ones, but many are also fairly ugly and fat. Personally, I've seen - ratio wise - much more truly good-lookin black women in Mali (the country that IMO hosts the hottest women of the African continent) than in Brasil.

Also no one can deny that there's many fat women in Brasil. Even authorities agree that the country is experiencing an alarming epidemic of obesity, which jeopardize the myth of The Girl From Ipanema, of Gisele Bundchen look-alikes and of a place swarming with bodicious beauties whose tiny tangas perfectly enhance the dream body.

Regarding non-pro brasileiras all being freaks in bed, that's personally not what I have experienced, and I've got more than my share of brasilian non-pro ass. I have rarely gotten a decent blow job out of a brasilian girl who wasn't a puta. And I find most non-pro brasilian girls not only lousy at giving head (contrarily to russian girls who are incredibly talented and seem to thoroughly enjoy performing fellation) but also (still contrarily to russian girls) not enough in the hardcore and no-holds-barred sex.

Nonetheless, don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the brasilian putas being the best prostitutes on the planet and giving the best service. No working girl on earth can hold a candle to a brasilian puta. But it seems that most guys here, in their odes and their praises to the sexuality of the brasilian woman, confuse non-pros and working girls.

[Bizzie]

The youner and hoter the girl, more restricted the service, in general.
(deoendign on what is 'hot' to you and what you call good service)
Of course there are exceptions and those are the exceptions that keep me going.
Of my samplings of various nationalities (Thai, Chinese, Ukraine, Russian, occasional romanian/moldovan, Argentina, and Brazil (French canadians),
That has held true for every single one of them.

I did a most amazing looking Russian girl in Istanbul a few months ago, but she was not much of GFE. Despite that, I still remember her as one of the most perfect asses I banged.
The averge looking girl I did in Rio a couple of years ago still stands out in memory as an excellent GFE. And then there a bunch of anal queens ad CIMs along the way.

So that's the Yin and the Yan of the balance between service/looks.
It's interesting to note how some mongers have been figuered out what's best. I am not that lucky.
I have found at least one 'starfish' every place I have been to, including Brazil.
But I have also really enjoyed most girls from most places

As for the coments on Brasileiras, I'd concur. The odds are better than other places that you'll find an excellent fuck with lots of extras.
(IMHO)

[Eros74]

...Without a doubt Brazilian women are the best...

How many girls from east europe did you get ?

How many russians women ?

Do not let just an ordinary prostatic massage say they are the best, first of all try more women from more country....imho.

[Nyc Expat]

I've had countless Scandinavian women, few American, few North African, several Thai, a nice number of Colombianas and Brazileiras. Without a doubt Brazilian women are the best. It was a brasileira whom gave me my first prostate massage and I can assure you she enjoyed it giving almost as much as I enjoyed it receiving.

[Java Man]

Very nice summation Scandic.
My travels in Latin America have not been as extensive as yours. But in my travels I have met many Latinas: Cubanas, Mexicanas, Nica's, Ticas, Colombianas, Salvadorenas.

And then I went to Brazil. I thought I knew all about SEX before I went to Brazil. I was wrong. These women LIKE to Fuck!! I wasn't fucking her, she was fucking ME.
For pure sexuality, IMHO, the Brazilian woman is head and shoulders above the rest.

For sure, the Colombianas and Venezuelanas are prettier. The Argentinas are more sophisticated. (Generally speaking, of course.) Some are easier to wine and dine, and pick up. But once you got her in the sack, Scandic, which group of women consistently gave you a better time? For me, non-pro and pro, BRASILEIRAS RULE!!

These too, are my personal experiences. YMMV.

[Northern Guy]

I have travelled almost all over Latin-America, and started to consider where I would like to go back. Came to think about the difference between women (looks and personality) and the countries, and where I would go for gaming/pulling non-pros. Don't know if this is the right place, but here are still some of my impulsive thoughts:

- The good surprise: Lima, Peru. Many beautiful women, and it seemed to be easy to meet them. Many gave signs of interest. If I want a lay/romance with a hot and "easy" girl, this may be my first choice. Rest of Peru has many indians, whome I generally don't find that attractive.

- The disappointment: Chile. The quality of women is generally low. Wouldn't go back for hunting regular girls.

- My type: Colombia. They look the way I want them to, especially the paisas (Medellin). It's definately possible to meet them, but also harder to pull than many would think. Many are pretty, and used to attention. Dancing and spanish skills help a lot (like most places in LA).

- Also good quality: Argentina. Reminded me a bit of meeting paisas. Would like to go back though. Friendly women. Not so poor, so less acting like condors. Some act hard to get, but many aren't.

- Been there, done that: Montevideo, Uruguay. Average looking women, but possible to pull.

- The melting pot: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Some say you'll find the most beautiful women in the world. Well. You can, but you'll also find a lot of ugly and average ones. Brazil has got it all, but the average girl is so-so. Fascinating place. Possibe to meet non-pros, but get out of Copacabana.

- Not so good: Guatemala. Many indians (I'm no racist, they just don't attract me.) Definately possible to meet regulars. I had no expectations, and I was right.

- A little better: Nicaragua. Generally average looking women, but still quite a few good ones. And one of the easiest place to meet them. Some of them approached me on the streets. An ok pick for non-pros, and I may go back.

- Meeting models: Caracas, Venezuela. Like Colombia, quite a few nice women. Both countries are a bit too glamourized though. Caracas women are nice, a pity my stay was very short. The horrible airport (security) keeps me from wanting to return though. Ok, one more time: Colombian and venezualian women are hot, but the average is still a bit overrated.

- The friendliest: El Salvador. The most helpful and nicest people I ever met. The chicas. Are average. Didn't spend much time though, so don't know how easy they are.

The rest: Mexico, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama. Just passing through. Don't really know for sure how easy it is to pull locals.

IMPORTANT: These are just my personal exeriences. Since I have only been there on holiday, I might have been lucky/unlucky with those I met.

ALSO IMPORTANT: As most of us know; the less touristy areas, the better chances for a great local experience. In all ways.

IN THE END. Will women be women, everywhere. The better you pull back home, the better you pull in Latin America. But as I said, good language skills helps a lot. So does dancing skills. I LOVE meeting women, everywhere. Mongering is. Still a back-up, if I find the situation ok (not too "cynical", where I do all the choosing, and it's not about exploiting the woman). Well, these were my superficial thoughts about non-pros in Latin America. Take them for what they are.

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[Mr Enternational]

I nearly always start off (after quick intros) by insisting I cannot speak Porto. Usually with a terrible gringo accent. I seem to struggle a bit and ask her to speak English. If she does, she is trying. If she does not speak English, she has to try even harder. At a suitable moment, I will suddenly speak to a waiter or a friend of hers in fluent, reasonably well-accented Porto.

I love doing that. Especially to see what they are saying with the friend. Then much later when they find out I speak Portuguese they laugh and call me a bastard. It's a great ice-breaker.

[Jan 156]

This is just absolutely great information. Surely, it can be applied to all women everywhere on the planet. Err, what do all these freebies that yer getting look like?

Yes of course. It is just a strategy. Most of the pics I take are for personal use. They vary like women do. My freebies have varied from average to awesome, and longer term and one-nighters (happy to show photos if we meet rather than on here).

Btw, sorry if it sounded like boasting - it wasn´t meant as such. There are many people on here who apply themselves and do many more non-paid encounters than I do. I´m happy with either. I´m not in Brasil primarily for pussy,* I just like it to be available at all times - like wine or beer with a meal perhaps? And in Brasil mostly it is. Whether it is paid for or inclusive is not a big deal, both are nice. This afternoon I went to a little known museum investigating the candomble-carnaval roots for instance and spent a lot of time chatting. That´s the sort of thing I plan my time around. Pussy is everywhere when needed. Thankfully!


*not that there´s anything wrong with that either - as has been said many times on here, half the board are just really into the pussy, and half are interested in the wider Brasil. Both are cool IMHO.

[Golfinho]

Not wanting to open a big debate on this as I know it will p*ss some people off, just throwing it in in case it helps.

Kinda noticed that I seem to get at least one freebie each time I visit Rio even in Copa, which is hardly the best place to look, yet a lot of guys who are younger and prettier maybe struggle a bit. I also seem to get lower rates within a week of checking the scene, usually with the proviso, do not tell anyone lol.

So I analysed it, and compared what I did when I first got here to what I do now. Happy to share if it helps (as you probably gather my main interestes in Rio are carnaval schools and mimosa anyway).

Boiled it down to two things:
1) The primary language women understand is emotion. Not Brasilian. Not Portuguese. Not American-English. She wants to feel she is sharing emotion with you. When she feels she shares strong emotion with you, she wants to have sex, all other things considered. If she is programma, she settles lower price.
2) If she likes you a bit, she will like you a lot more if she has to work for it. It is only natural. She puts in an investment and she will not want to let go otherwise she feels she has wasted her time or whatever.

When I first started coming here I used to sit in Nog and practice my basic Porto which made me popular but did not really help when it came to getting a good deal. I was just like a good nice student, a child to be encouraged. Not very sexy.

This is not intended for guys who have such good Porto that they can think independently of what they are saying and control their words for maximum effect. But many guys do not do this even in their own language. Guys who are at that level just play it as they would at home. But less than that and I watch them - they lose all body language. It becomes a game of impressing her with Porto, which is not a game that can be won really.

I nearly always start off (after quick intros) by insisting I cannot speak Porto. Usually with a terrible gringo accent. I seem to struggle a bit and ask her to speak English. If she does, she is trying. If she does not speak English, she has to try even harder. At a suitable moment, I will suddenly speak to a waiter or a friend of hers in fluent, reasonably well-accented Porto. This always creates an effect of wow, this guy knows more than he lets on. We have created an emotional underlay. Maybe it is one reason I do not like to monger with other gringos except an experienced wingman - the gringo will always show off his superior Porto and ruin the effect.

The point is guys, use the language to create the effect that will get her into bed. Use it for drama. Use it to save her ass. Use it for sweet talk after sex. Use it to make her feel special, not the same as every other woman you practice it on. And when she texts you, have a dictionary so you can look up the past participle or whatever of - I thought you had forgotten to call - and back it up with lots of Porto textspeak. Then go back to being dumb and tell her to do it in English.

You can do this socially as well. But if you are faced with a knife and a dark street I recommend you use your best accent for starters, not later lol.

This is just absolutely great information. Surely, it can be applied to all women everywhere on the planet. Err, what do all these freebies that yer getting look like?

[John Cricket]

Not wanting to open a big debate on this as I know it will p*ss some people off, just throwing it in in case it helps.

Kinda noticed that I seem to get at least one freebie each time I visit Rio even in Copa, which is hardly the best place to look, yet a lot of guys who are younger and prettier maybe struggle a bit. I also seem to get lower rates within a week of checking the scene, usually with the proviso, do not tell anyone lol.

Good points. But remember, her pussy doesn't dry out because she gave you a freebie. If it's a slow night and/or if you look particularly newb (as Chris pointed out), she may decide that you're a good mark for the girlfriend game. A woman can get a lot of cash value in presents off of clueless newbs in love who think "Hey! She must really like me because she isn't charging when she could!"

Meanwhile, while she's "loving" that guys, she's also turning tricks when he's not around.

Freebies often complement these women's earning strategies instead of undermine them.

[Ryjerrob]

The point is guys, use the language to create the effect that will get her into bed. Use it for drama. Use it to save her ass. Use it for sweet talk after sex. Use it to make her feel special, not the same as every other woman you practice it on. And when she texts you, have a dictionary so you can look up the past participle or whatever of - I thought you had forgotten to call - and back it up with lots of Porto textspeak. Then go back to being dumb and tell her to do it in English.

You can do this socially as well. But if you are faced with a knife and a dark street I recommend you use your best accent for starters, not later lol.

You're right! There's so much misinformation on here. If you broaden your horizons, the rewards can be great. I try to always take something from the experiences of others, and make mine better. Thanks.....................