Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Ricker]

Thanks for the wise words and sharing the experience.

Um praçer.

[Bimbo Boy]

Be careful amigos.

I had a buddy (married, USA) who met a lady in an upscale club in Sao Paulo and they ended up getting it on a bit.

After about a month or so, she tells him that she is pregnant.

Because she already had a visa to enter England, he sent her there with money for an abortion.

Once she got there, she said she changed her mind about the abortion, and she spent the money on whatever.

Then a couple weeks later she said she now, has changed her mind again, and wants the abortion but needs him to send the funding.

When he doesn't respond in the way she wanted, she threatened to find and call his US family.

This blackmail could have and probably would have gone on for a while, demanding more.

I discussed this quite a bit with my buddy, and we figured the best plan of attack was to just say No, and call her bluff, otherwise it would just go on and on.

I doubt now that she was even ever pregnant, though she did show him some papers, but they could have easily been a fraud.

Once he called her bluff, telling her that he had already seperated from his wife, inviting her (the Brasileira) to do whatever she wanted and to bug off, she just disappeared.

Bottom line, be smart.

There are obviously some great Brasileiras out there. My best girlfriend ever, the one I have now is a sweetheart from the NE Brasil.

As we all know though, there are some real sharks out there.

Be smart!

Thanks for the wise words and sharing the experience.

Actually, I have been with the girl for a few years, and I would not mind having a child with her.

Another piece of advice : never recognize a baby unless you've performed a DNA test with a sample you took yourself.

Regards.

[Ricker]

My young (half my age) and poor girlfriend in SP called me the other day and told me that she was pregnant. I was very surprized because even if I do her bareback, I had taken my precautions. Since abortion is illegal in Brazil, I proposed her to do it in Europe. She then decided to travel back to her family in the Nordeste in order to end the pregnancy with a local witch doctor. Finally a second exam showed that the first pregnancy test was a medical error. She is now suing the first clinic!

Many lessons in this short adventure: first, even if she is poor, my Brazilian girlfriend is honest and is not trying to get knocked up and extort Reals from me. Second, medical services are quite unreliable in Brazil!

Regards. B. B.

Be careful amigos.

I had a buddy (married, USA) who met a lady in an upscale club in Sao Paulo and they ended up getting it on a bit.

After about a month or so, she tells him that she is pregnant.

Because she already had a visa to enter England, he sent her there with money for an abortion.

Once she got there, she said she changed her mind about the abortion, and she spent the money on whatever.

Then a couple weeks later she said she now, has changed her mind again, and wants the abortion but needs him to send the funding.

When he doesn't respond in the way she wanted, she threatened to find and call his US family.

This blackmail could have and probably would have gone on for a while, demanding more.

I discussed this quite a bit with my buddy, and we figured the best plan of attack was to just say No, and call her bluff, otherwise it would just go on and on.

I doubt now that she was even ever pregnant, though she did show him some papers, but they could have easily been a fraud.

Once he called her bluff, telling her that he had already seperated from his wife, inviting her (the Brasileira) to do whatever she wanted and to bug off, she just disappeared.

Bottom line, be smart.

There are obviously some great Brasileiras out there. My best girlfriend ever, the one I have now is a sweetheart from the NE Brasil.

As we all know though, there are some real sharks out there.

Be smart!

[Bimbo Boy]

My friend in RJ tells me, quite the opposite. I am told that many girls in RJ bareback Brasileiros all the time with hopes of get knocked up. Anyone with money or who has a relative in a political position, his dick is a like a gold mine for the average woman, every sperm a Real in the future. For gringos, it is different because there is the idea that yes they might be 'rico' but they will run if they knock you up, so there is no point in laying it on the line for a gringo.

My young (half my age) and poor girlfriend in SP called me the other day and told me that she was pregnant. I was very surprized because even if I do her bareback, I had taken my precautions. Since abortion is illegal in Brazil, I proposed her to do it in Europe. She then decided to travel back to her family in the Nordeste in order to end the pregnancy with a local witch doctor. Finally a second exam showed that the first pregnancy test was a medical error. She is now suing the first clinic!

Many lessons in this short adventure: first, even if she is poor, my Brazilian girlfriend is honest and is not trying to get knocked up and extort Reals from me. Second, medical services are quite unreliable in Brazil!

Regards. B. B.

[Mr Enternational]

The dirty little secret of all this is we are using our economic advantage (which is shrinking) to date women usually younger and better looking

That is no secret at all and happens everywhere. Picture Hugh Hefner or that guy that Ana Nicole Smith married.

[DJ FourMoney]

My friend in RJ tells me, quite the opposite. I am told that many girls in RJ bareback Brasileiros all the time with hopes of get knocked up. Anyone with money or who has a relative in a political position, his dick is a like a gold mine for the average woman, every sperm a Real in the future. For gringos, it is different because there is the idea that yes they might be 'rico' but they will run if they knock you up, so there is no point in laying it on the line for a gringo.

I do not see a problem with getting bareback after establishing some kind of connection with a girl, even pros. Everyone is against that, but it is a personal choice like eating red meat or smoking. My belief is that the risk of HIV in the non-sex worker population is low. More likely that you get killed trying to cross Ave Atlantica by one of those crazy macho Brasilian drivers, when their hands touch the wheel they become Ayrton Senna reincarnated. Everyplace in the world seems to have McDonalds. Most girls from east to west do accept the idea, when you go to McDonalds and eat the hamburger, do you unwrap it, or bite through the paper and eat it that way? In Brasil they love wax paper and will say "No, I hold it with the paper". Then why do you want dick with a wrapper? Dick as hamburger. Yes, if you BB too much!

Crossing Brasil off the list would be a big mistake. This is almost as good as that treasure PI, but the difference is that in BR they have all the concepts of passion, plus the whole idea of saudades, and go "in heat" if they find the right guy, whereas Phils girls have no passion, just looking for you to be gold mine for their entire family plus their sick water buffalo. But yeah they will bring their cousin too. Maybe the FSU is better than all this.

I'd cross off PI, I'm not into short, dark Asian women as that is what the majority of Westerns have access too. Not to mention what you said which is mostly right since like in many societies, the darker you are the poorer you generally are. Middle Class and Rich Flips have no need for middle age Western men. The dirty little secret of all this is we are using our economic advantage (which is shrinking) to date women usually younger and better looking that what we have access too in most Western countries.

If I am careful I get 7-8's anywhere, if I'm sloppy like many men seem to be, you know "Pussy is Pussy" then I can fuck 5-4's too, no thanks.

[Rani2206]

HIV cases regards often tgirls don't forget it guys.

[Sperto]

My friend in RJ tells me, quite the opposite. I am told that many girls in RJ bareback Brasileiros all the time with hopes of get knocked up. Anyone with money or who has a relative in a political position, his dick is a like a gold mine for the average woman, every sperm a Real in the future. For gringos, it is different because there is the idea that yes they might be 'rico' but they will run if they knock you up, so there is no point in laying it on the line for a gringo.
I do not see a problem with getting bareback after establishing some kind of connection with a girl, even pros. Everyone is against that, but it is a personal choice like eating red meat or smoking. My belief is that the risk of HIV in the non-sex worker population is low. More likely that you get killed trying to cross Ave Atlantica by one of those crazy macho Brasilian drivers, when their hands touch the wheel they become Ayrton Senna reincarnated. Everyplace in the world seems to have McDonalds. Most girls from east to west do accept the idea, when you go to McDonalds and eat the hamburger, do you unwrap it, or bite through the paper and eat it that way? In Brasil they love wax paper and will say "No, I hold it with the paper". Then why do you want dick with a wrapper? Dick as hamburger. Yes, if you BB too much!

Even if you don't worry about the 800'000 cases of HIV (or other venereal disease), don't you have any concern for her getting pregnant (unless you're sure she's on the pills)?
I assume you wouldn't "run" and give a f*ck about your responsibilities if she got knocked up.

[Esperma]

My friend in RJ tells me, quite the opposite. I am told that many girls in RJ bareback Brasileiros all the time with hopes of get knocked up. Anyone with money or who has a relative in a political position, his dick is a like a gold mine for the average woman, every sperm a Real in the future. For gringos, it is different because there is the idea that yes they might be 'rico' but they will run if they knock you up, so there is no point in laying it on the line for a gringo.

I do not see a problem with getting bareback after establishing some kind of connection with a girl, even pros. Everyone is against that, but it is a personal choice like eating red meat or smoking. My belief is that the risk of HIV in the non-sex worker population is low. More likely that you get killed trying to cross Ave Atlantica by one of those crazy macho Brasilian drivers, when their hands touch the wheel they become Ayrton Senna reincarnated. Everyplace in the world seems to have McDonalds. Most girls from east to west do accept the idea, when you go to McDonalds and eat the hamburger, do you unwrap it, or bite through the paper and eat it that way? In Brasil they love wax paper and will say "No, I hold it with the paper". Then why do you want dick with a wrapper? Dick as hamburger. Yes, if you BB too much!

Crossing Brasil off the list would be a big mistake. This is almost as good as that treasure PI, but the difference is that in BR they have all the concepts of passion, plus the whole idea of saudades, and go "in heat" if they find the right guy, whereas Phils girls have no passion, just looking for you to be gold mine for their entire family plus their sick water buffalo. But yeah they will bring their cousin too. Maybe the FSU is better than all this.

You don't have to worry. Brasileiras (non-pros) have been brainwashed against BB sex. Most are talibans about it. It's one of the reasons why Brasil is off my list.

[Eric Cartman]

Thanks for the solid info & write-up Sangue Bon. Good intel and report that is a credit to the board.

-Cartman

[Rio Bob]

It's not my cup of tea either. But I just heard that a former GDP I'm seeing about every week or every other week is actually VERY into it. She makes her loser boyfriend take her to some swing club in Recreio (?). Anyway I was encouraged to take her to a club, as apparently she is very bi and loves it. I have to somehow bring this up in conversation.

Any tips on where to go? Best time to arrive. Etiquette? What do you do, walk around naked, pilled up on V, with a sash of condoms? .

-Cartman

Recreio has the Paris Cafe, they have swing on Sundays in the summer with an outdoor pool area in the afternoon, I have never been but it has been on om radar for a long time.

In Barra at Praia do Pepe 400 there is a termas, on Saturday night this 400 club turns into Heny Club, some guy hosts a big swing party with his wife, you get there at 11PM, sit in the boite with you girl, have a drink, dance and check out the talent. Sometimes the D-J will shut the lights off so dark you can't see anything so try to be next to a hot couple and everybody gropes each other, lots of fun. At midnight everybody is allowed to go upstairs where all the rooms are for the termas, all the doors are open, this is where the fun begins, just position yourself next to an attractive couple and see if you come together, sometimes yes and sometimes no but at the end of the night you have had more yeses than No's.

Then there is 2A2 in Copa, it was built as a swing club, get there at 11:30, go into the boite, they have live music, live shows throughout the night, I believe it is the friendliest place, in all these places you keep your clothes on. This place you can go upstairs to the swing area any time you want. You go upstairs and anything can happen, sometimes you get approached right away and sometimes you have to work for it but at the end of the night usually you are fucked out. You can hang in the hallway, many couples lean up against the wall and kiss, if you see a couple that looks interesting stand next to them and kiss your girl. You can feel the vibes of the couple next to you, sometimes the other guy will move his hand over to your girl and touch her leg or ass and then you make your move to his girl. If everybody agrees then you get closer and right in the hallway you usually start kissing his girl and groping her, next step is someone says lets find a room where you all go off together and fuck, sometimes with the door open and sometimes with the door locked. If it's open other couples just look in and other couples come in and join the fun. The place starts to slow down by 3 to 4 am so the night goes very fast, sometimes too fast like a blur.

[Prosal]

This says, be careful in RJ and wear you camisinha. You might not be the first.

You don't have to worry. Brasileiras (non-pros) have been brainwashed against BB sex. Most are talibans about it. It's one of the reasons why Brasil is off my list.

[Eric Cartman]

Your Gf sounds like fun, but regarding that Brazil have maybe up to 800'000 cases of HIV I find that barebacking and encouraging her to f*ck around a bit risky, but that's just me.

About the swinging. That's not my cup of tea. I wouldn't fancy watching my Gf get f*cked by other guys. However we have our 2a2 expert RioBob who can answer any question related to swinging.

It's not my cup of tea either. But I just heard that a former GDP I'm seeing about every week or every other week is actually VERY into it. She makes her loser boyfriend take her to some swing club in Recreio (?). Anyway I was encouraged to take her to a club, as apparently she is very bi and loves it. I have to somehow bring this up in conversation.

Any tips on where to go? Best time to arrive. Etiquette? What do you do, walk around naked, pilled up on V, with a sash of condoms? .

-Cartman

[Esperma]

Sorry for the second post on the same topic.

Sperto, your concern about HIV is very real. Here is a monger, coming from a long history of BBFS in places like Manila Bay and Top Gun / Jakarta BBFS garotas, and finding himself in a situation with non-pros in Rio who, knowing all this, and knowing that I was a monger in the worst places, still take it bareback if I buy them BC pills at Pachechgo. From their perspective, this gringo is still better than the safados in Brasil who maintain seperate lives, apartments for girlfriends, kids with girlfriends. The worst guy in Bangkok with HIV from some LB, can come into Rio, tell his story and still looks better than BR guys "muito safado" that pay for multiple girlfriends and do nothing but sit aroud drinking cerveja. Non-pros will look at him, think he is STILL less safado and better than a Brasilian guy, they want you more, and think he is a better option and bareback him to please their man. This says, be careful in RJ and wear you camisinha. You might not be the first.

[Esperma]

Thanks for the advice Sperto, Sangue Bon and Brazil Specialist.

I think my lesson from all this, is what the infamous Hughdad, and others have said in the past, forget about the P4P in RJ and focus on non-pro. I felt like I had an epiphany, when I finally left the P4P scene and entered the non-pro scene. Guys are thinking that you need to spend lots of time there to hookup with non-pros. All it requires it rudimentary Portuguese and spending some time away from the tourist scenes. By tourist scenes, I mean leave RJ proper, Zona Sul and Centro / Lapa and spend some time out in the burbs just giving attention to girls at barzinhos. It does not require you to spend time there like some, or expat, just go out there and extend yourself even if you feel like a lame gringo. There are a ton of girls out there looking for gringo. Then your task is to find out who is piranha, and who is regular freebie for fucking, and maybe one is LTR, even with options like this. Always your option.