Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Sui Generis]

1) What age gaps are tolerated by women in Brazil?

a) Is social status a factor?

b) Is location a factor?

2) Concerning men of color; do you find yourself more accepted by Black Brazilians, Morena's or Loiras? I tend to like my woman fair skinned but I certainly don't mind olive skinned women, but Black, ummm I can do that here... (Los Angeles) and I choose not too.

According to my own experiences in Brazil with non-pros (more than 30 years) and with brazucas my answers are the following ones:

1) Age gaps are tolerated when women are over 30's. Then they don't mind going out with men that are 15 to 20 years older than them.

a) Man, you're in Brazil : social status is the main factor!!!!!!
b) Location is also an important factor

2) Race is not the main concern there. As I mentioned above the social status is the most important factor. But in general (especially in São Paulo) women prefer white males. Black males are not very populars.

My two cents. Answers can differ from one person to another.

[DJ FourMoney]

1) What age gaps are tolerated by women in Brazil?

a) Is social status a factor?

b) Is location a factor?

2) Concerning men of color; do you find yourself more accepted by Black Brazilians, Morena's or Loiras? I tend to like my woman fair skinned but I certainly don't mind olive skinned women, but Black, ummm I can do that here... (Los Angeles) and I choose not too.

If I can manage to save a few coins this summer I believe I'm going to bite the bullet and go (in the fall).

I am posting here because I want to hear about non-pros, I think I know the answer to pros.

[DJ FourMoney]

M.H.O. I don't get this looking for a husband thing. Boyfriend I can dig, but something as permanent as a husband? To me that is putting the cart before the horse. I think I would like to know a person first then the idea pops into my head that I would be interested in marrying THAT particular person. To say that you are looking for a husband. Picture me walking up to a total stranger on the metro and saying, "Hey. I'm in the market for a wife. Would you like to be a candidate?"

See, your a man, don't be logical its too easy.

When women say "I'm looking for a husband" I don't care where they are from its all the same. They are looking for men to date that have husband potential.

It has very little to do with "waiting around" they aren't waiting, every man is up for consideration....

Now in Western Culture, we seem to have this odd rule (from a man's point of view) that there are the type of women you date and the type of women you marry, when I believe there should be no difference at all.

What makes a woman only suitable for dating and not marriage? Isn't that what I would call "wasting your time"? The woman you find suitable enough to marry should be same woman you find suitable for dating, makes things less complicated IMHO.

Sure there are woman you only want to fuck, okay those are short term relationships (STR) if you're in a relationship that is far more physical than mentality simulating then you should end it as soon as your tired of the pussy or until you find something better, again makes things less complicated.

You also don't give them false ideas by inviting them to special events, family gatherings and meeting your parents.

I can count on ONE hand and less than 5 fingers of the women that have met my mother...

I don't think any man goes around to random women and tells them "I'm in the market for a wife", though to be flatly honest, you might be shocked at some of the answers you got if you did such a thing, there some impulsive people out there, you never know and it certainly can't be any worst than knowing somebody for years, getting married and then divorced in less than 5 years which happens at a 70% clip here in the US...

[Golfinho]

I think he's just stating a commonly known fact of life, at least in Rio. I have heard 'respectable' girls openly boast to all and sundry that they only go with guys so guys pay for things and buy them things. As a European, I find it amusing since it is an attitude still part of much of respectable U.S. thinking except the American woman never admits it, even to herself. When was the last time any woman on Sex & the City paid for anything when there was a man there? OK, I exaggerate slightly, but not much.

To me, this class of Brasilian woman is almost just more upfront it. My American buddy used to have a problem with letting his Brasilian girlfriend (Rio) pay for anything. Being wealthier than he was (moslty from alimony from a gringo), she tried to pay for everything, and they even invited me to stay with them rent-free in their spacious residence.

To me a decent woman goes out of her way to ensure successive dates don't empty my pocket more than hers. The ones that let or encourage men to pay are more costly than wh0res, who they resent for lowering the prices.

I disagree with Cricket about semi-pros though. We could argue over words for ever, but I think what the monger generally means by this term is someone who dips into prostitution only occasionally. I suspect the word programma even started as a nice way of describing her, but eventually included all the professionals. She is either a) a sweet, honest 'catch' or b) simply 'unprofessional'! - in the sense that she may be lacking polish in certain bedroom skills, is messy at the business side of things or simply isn't very organised. I quite like this category sometimes, though there's always the chance of getting burnt.

But yes, we are digressing. It's really for a thread on Brasilian women or something. But to answer the OP's question, sure he got set up (cheekily, not criminally), and fortunately he didn't get burnt.

Dating sites in the USA are full of loser chicks looking to get a free meal and taken out because in real life that can't get asked out. No different in Brasil, and true: garotas do boast about where they were taken and how much money was spent on them -- all in the way of self-affirmation.

[Jan 156]

Have you met any of these orkut girls? Were they worth it? I don`t mind giving presents to nice girls, better than if they are aiming to get married. My fear is they only live in the virtual world and don't actually go on dates. Please advise your experience on this interesting topic, could be a real find.

I think he's just stating a commonly known fact of life, at least in Rio. I have heard 'respectable' girls openly boast to all and sundry that they only go with guys so guys pay for things and buy them things. As a European, I find it amusing since it is an attitude still part of much of respectable U.S. thinking except the American woman never admits it, even to herself. When was the last time any woman on Sex & the City paid for anything when there was a man there? OK, I exaggerate slightly, but not much.

To me, this class of Brasilian woman is almost just more upfront it. My American buddy used to have a problem with letting his Brasilian girlfriend (Rio) pay for anything. Being wealthier than he was (moslty from alimony from a gringo), she tried to pay for everything, and they even invited me to stay with them rent-free in their spacious residence.

To me a decent woman goes out of her way to ensure successive dates don't empty my pocket more than hers. The ones that let or encourage men to pay are more costly than wh0res, who they resent for lowering the prices.

I disagree with Cricket about semi-pros though. We could argue over words for ever, but I think what the monger generally means by this term is someone who dips into prostitution only occasionally. I suspect the word programma even started as a nice way of describing her, but eventually included all the professionals. She is either a) a sweet, honest 'catch' or b) simply 'unprofessional'! - in the sense that she may be lacking polish in certain bedroom skills, is messy at the business side of things or simply isn't very organised. I quite like this category sometimes, though there's always the chance of getting burnt.

But yes, we are digressing. It's really for a thread on Brasilian women or something. But to answer the OP's question, sure he got set up (cheekily, not criminally), and fortunately he didn't get burnt.

[John Cricket]

Have you met any of these orkut girls? Were they worth it? I don`t mind giving presents to nice girls, better than if they are aiming to get married. My fear is they only live in the virtual world and don't actually go on dates. Please advise your experience on this interesting topic, could be a real find.

Your fears are justified. Some of these girls just run scams on gringos. Orkut is probably slightly better than some other places because it's not a site where many gringos hang out. I have met a few of them. Some of them are aiming to get married, others just want presents and a good time.

My main problem with gringo-chasers is the way they latch onto you as if you were their property. I once had the misfortune to meet a girl at a party who was a clasic gringo-chaser. We flirted a bit, then we both went off looking for greener pastures. I got her number, though, and we agreed that we'd meet in a few days. Called her number several times and always got the brush off: "Oh, I can't go out tonight. I have to [whatever]".

Fine, thinks I. There are plenty of other fish in the sea. So I put her out of my mind.

Four weeks later I'm on Ipanema at kiosk shatting up this other bird and who shows up but my old "friend". She latches onto me with both arms, kissy, kissy, kissy, "Where have you been? Why didn't you call?" etc. Continues to do this until the other woman politely excuses herself and then waves goodbye and goes off down the sidewalk.

[John Cricket]

Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

Yes, most women like men to pay their bills. At least pay for their night on the town. But regular dates don't ask for gold necklaces or for 600 real shopping sprees at Rio Sul the next day.

[Beach Star]

Yeah, well. There is a whole class of women in Rio who "date" gringos. They don't charge, but they do ask for gifts and etc. You may not pay, but odds are the next guy will. These folks are the true "semi-pros". You can check some of them out on Orkut where they congregate on pages like "I love gingos", talking about the 15 gringo "boyfriends" they had over the summer.

Some of them will have sex and then ask for gifts. Most will do exactly what this woman did for you: no sex unless some cash gets spent on her.

That's the way it goes most of the time.

People have been talking about how cool the women are in the northern suburbs, but things are basically the same up there. Only difference is the presents can be cheaper. A night out at Via Show, say, rather than a gold necklace.

Have you met any of these orkut girls? Were they worth it? I don`t mind giving presents to nice girls, better than if they are aiming to get married. My fear is they only live in the virtual world and don't actually go on dates. Please advise your experience on this interesting topic, could be a real find.

[Sprite13]

ET,
Give John Cricket a break. He's been one of those in here who have been giving us first hand from the ground insight. I've noticed that lately, all you do is jump on people who provide good info. What's wrong man? Chill, relax and have a couple of garotas to take care of your stress. It'll do wonders to you.

John, please continue with your very informative posts.

[Golfinho]

Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

BTW, I hear most university professors in Rio bore their students to tears. I have sat in on a few classes here, and found them interesting, but that is just me. Maybe it was the professor or the subject.

If you are seeing the professor behind every anonymous post, it's time you had that Rorschach test, to check for a diagnosis of MacMania.

[Jan 156]

Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

BTW, I hear most university professors in Rio bore their students to tears. I have sat in on a few classes here, and found them interesting, but that is just me. Maybe it was the professor or the subject.

ET - give him a break - the guy's new (at least it would appear) - and to be honest, you go thru phases of much comment and zero reports yourself.

Re interesting classes, obviously wearing a miniskirt is the answer . . . (joke for those that follow the news)

[Exec Talent]

People have been talking about how cool the women are in the northern suburbs, but things are basically the same up there. Only difference is the presents can be cheaper. A night out at Via Show, say, rather than a gold necklace.

Wow, John. Just sounds like a regular date. Since this forum is all about sharing FIRSTHAND experiences, do tell us about the last time you PERSONALLY took a girl to Via Show. Or, for that matter, tell us about ANY of your FIRSTHAND experiences with non-pros in Rio or surrounding areas. We are all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

BTW, I hear most university professors in Rio bore their students to tears. I have sat in on a few classes here, and found them interesting, but that is just me. Maybe it was the professor or the subject.

[John Cricket]

Anyways we hang out for a couple hours. Next thing I know we are walking back to the Mall. Find out she brought me all the way back and tried to get me to buy some Jewelery. I was like WTF this was a setup!

Yeah, well. There is a whole class of women in Rio who "date" gringos. They don't charge, but they do ask for gifts and etc. You may not pay, but odds are the next guy will. These folks are the true "semi-pros". You can check some of them out on Orkut where they congregate on pages like "I love gingos", talking about the 15 gringo "boyfriends" they had over the summer.

Some of them will have sex and then ask for gifts. Most will do exactly what this woman did for you: no sex unless some cash gets spent on her.

That's the way it goes most of the time.

People have been talking about how cool the women are in the northern suburbs, but things are basically the same up there. Only difference is the presents can be cheaper. A night out at Via Show, say, rather than a gold necklace.

[Rio Bob]

The other 7 of 10 are just looking to pass time at work. They don't have to pay, so get on the site. Then when you arrive they have all kinds of excuses. You have to learn to weed those out. I will give them two calls to try to arrange a meeting. Thereafter, they have my number and are welcomed to call if they find the time.

Yes sounds right, what I had noticed is that I have had many girls on my Instant message that spoke English, I feel that they wanted to practice their English with me on IM but didn't want to meet to give up the goods.

I have had both good and bad as in anything in life but the good outweighs the bad, through the years I have met some nice women and had a great time but I'm bored with this now. Last year I met a really fine lady, a financial analyst, she told me straight up that she was looking for a husband and could work in NY, I had to let her go.

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah I have been using match.com since 2004, same thing as you, several weeks/months before my trip I refresh my profile and I start mass mailing to girls I like. I get some responses back and I put their email on MSN Messenger, I chat with them in IM for weeks until I arrive, sometimes I may have 10 to 15 new girls I am chatting with but I usually only met about 2 or 3 when I arrive.

Most of these girls are looking for boyfriends and husbands.

The other 7 of 10 are just looking to pass time at work. They don't have to pay, so get on the site. Then when you arrive they have all kinds of excuses. You have to learn to weed those out. I will give them two calls to try to arrange a meeting. Thereafter, they have my number and are welcomed to call if they find the time.

One chick who I was supposed to meet up with today fell into that category. Before I left home SHE chose this Friday afternoon to meet. Mind you she is jobless and sits home everyday. Today at the designated time I called her. I was actually out mongering with Cho and knew I wouldn't be able to make it but I wanted to see where her head was. She told me that she was going to stay in the house today and asked if we could meet Monday or Tuesday. Yeah, sure. Only problem is that I will be gone by then. And wait for you again so you can have another excuse? I think not. She has my number and is welcomed to call when she deems herself worthy to be graced by my presence.

M.H.O. I don't get this looking for a husband thing. Boyfriend I can dig, but something as permanent as a husband? To me that is putting the cart before the horse. I think I would like to know a person first then the idea pops into my head that I would be interested in marrying THAT particular person. To say that you are looking for a husband. Picture me walking up to a total stranger on the metro and saying, "Hey. I'm in the market for a wife. Would you like to be a candidate?"