Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Prosal]

What a broad statement to make. Are you saying every "lower class girl" is the same? That's BS.

Ok, let me rephrase it. I personally find lower class girls *on the whole* too wishful, conniving and clingy (most sex-hungry mongers may use this "wishfulness" to their advantage, but it's not a behavior I partake nor respect). Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.

As usual, YMMV.

No different than anywhere really.

In Brasil it is actually different than anywhere.

The simple reason is *status*. Until you understand the brasilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never truly understand these people. Including women.

[Hughdad]

That's caricatural.

What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) ... undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and in any way more emotional baggage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more,I'm not talking about piranhas)often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. They don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that, and I find this statement rather ridiculous. In fact I have noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.

What a broad statement to make. Are you saying every "lower class girl" is the same? That's BS. Sounds like you are projecting your own experiences here. I have been meeting regular lower-class working ladies in my Brazil hometown the past several weeks and they are interested in learning about the world, cultural differences, music, etc. They are interesting in having fun, laughing and having a good time. I have found my differences to be a plus as a way to open doors for introductions and discussions. But at the end of the day - they are looking for someone they are attracted to, makes them laugh and fascinates them. No different than anywhere really.

[Mangera]

"Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game..."

We all speak out of our own experiences. Sprite13 and many others here have had pleasant experiences with non-pro's in Brazil. It's obviously that your experiences with non-pro's in Brazil havn't been successful.

Your preaching that brazilian non-pro's don't like to have sex with gringos, seems a bit silly when so many of us knows that's not true. It's like saying "I didn't catch any fish. That means that there are no fish in the lake, even though the other fishermen got their buckets full of fish."

In Lake Brasil......no matter how many times you throw the hook in, you always reel in something. Now, what you catch all depends on what kind of bait you use

[Sperto]

That's caricatural.

What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) ... undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and in any way more emotional bagage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more,I'm not talking about piranhas)often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. They don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that. In fact I have noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.

"Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game..."

We all speak out of our own experiences. Sprite13 and many others here have had pleasant experiences with non-pro's in Brazil. It's obviously that your experiences with non-pro's in Brazil havn't been successful.

Your preaching that brazilian non-pro's don't like to have sex with gringos, seems a bit silly when so many of us knows that's not true. It's like saying "I didn't catch any fish. That means that there are no fish in the lake, even though the other fishermen got their buckets full of fish."

[Prosal]

But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.

That's caricatural.

What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) .. undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are more demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and more emotional baggage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more, I'm not talking about piranhas) often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. And they don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that, and I find this statement rather ridiculous. In fact I've noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.

[Hughdad]

Drgn, Chris, Hughdad, thanks for some quality posts displaying the different sides of the coin or as has been referred to earlier in this thread, the game. Quite an informative read. Both sides have their pros and cons. I guess it is fun to be dressing up and going after the filet mignon and the models and other patricinhas. But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.

Sperto and Prosal, thanks for the entertainment!You guys should get your own thread and let the rest of us, enjoy the show with a cold one in hand.

I know this the "Non-Pros" thread - but I kept reading posts about spending lots of time and cash to chase High Value Targets. More time and money than I would ever spend mongering for beautiful ladies. Especially knowing that (from my own experiences) that the model and actress targets really aren't that interesting. Again those are my experiences and my personal tastes. To some, that HVT "game" may have appeal to some and they may find the ladies to be extremely interesting. So my apologies for writing about P4P here - but it was really sounding that this HVT game had a huge price tag (remember time is money too) and I wanted to make a small comparison.

To me it is very interesting that a whole "cottage" industry has blossomed around the "game". An industry that I can only seeing growing as more guys grow up totally in front of their computers and living virtual existences. These guys are really social retards.

[Sprite13]

Drgn, Chris, Hughdad, thanks for some quality posts displaying the different sides of the coin or as has been referred to earlier in this thread, the game. Quite an informative read. Both sides have their pros and cons. I guess it is fun to be dressing up and going after the filet mignon and the models and other patricinhas. But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.

Sperto and Prosal, thanks for the entertainment!You guys should get your own thread and let the rest of us, enjoy the show with a cold one in hand.

[JohnnyBraz]

Good, I was hoping that it would make you feel better.

Now when we have learned everything about highroller-mongering in the glamorous FSU maybe we can move back on track to Brazil?

Let's move back to Brazil. I am hoping that Jackson will give Prosal his own thread 'FSU in Brazil forum'.

[Sperto]

Finally a bit of self-consciousness.

Good, I was hoping that it would make you feel better.

Now when we have learned everything about highroller-mongering in the glamorous FSU maybe we can move back on track to Brazil?

[Prosal]

I'm just a bum in broken Havaianas who only gets the "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes".

Finally a bit of self-consciousness.

[Jesuscola]

I start to read his books not long time ago, I would like to know the opinion of the others here and if somebody tried them, cause to me they seem enough wise to be true.

Yes, Vin is the real deal. Well worth your time. Also, highly recommend the guys at The Modern Man, and particularly their ebook The Flow.

[Sperto]

In a few words be ready to still hear me here.

Thank god for that, I was getting a bit worried.

I can't recall I've made any insult to you today, my dear friend. If I have said anything that have made you emotionally upset I do apologize. It was never my intention.
I hold the greatest of respect for you and your unique knowledge of Brazil, and FSU.
I guess I'm just jelaous because you're a high-roller and wellmannered gentleman in Berluti shoes who gets to f**k all the supermodels and I'm just a bum in broken Havaianas who only gets the "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes".

[Eros74]

My opinion? it's all grist to the mill. But seriously? Stick to Ross Jeffries......
And do try not to give him (or worse - any of his emulators) all your cash lol

Thanks a lot Chris, as I did never listen about Ross Jeffries, so I am starting right now to read all the stuff I got for free from the (e)-mule

P.S. Surely I am not gonna to pay, so if it works, it will be even better

[Prosal]

This. Prosal... Sperto has made so many good posts on Brazil why be such a dick? You know so much about FSU, then post there. If someone went there and gave you shit it would be just as retarted as coming here and saying x or y about Brazil!

You may be right. Problem is that I've travelled and mongered extensively throughout Brasil during more than 15 years (and extensively reported here on ISG, since the very early days), and that if all that a rather biased "know-it-all" serial poster as Sperto says is Buddha Sayings for you, it's not for me. So sorry to try to make myself heard when he stupidly takes umbrage as I give observations of the "other side" of Brasil or when he challenges, derides and insults me (like with his totally useless "your game is Second life" offensive BS) everytime he doesn't agree with my posts or feels that I hurt his immense ego or cast a shadow over his status of "ISG Icon on Brasilian Matters" wannabe.

In a few words be ready to still hear me here.

[Jon32]

Help, or shut up. The 'my gold-encrusted knob is bigger than yours' gets a tad weary every so often. What you want me to do - suck it???? We're simply guys passing time inbetween time we'd rather be spending with women. I know cultures are different - some guys really enjoy this jousting and pecking order stuff. To those that don't, it's just BS.

Happy hunting

This. Prosal... Sperto has made so many good posts on Brazil why be such a dick? You know so much about FSU, then post there. If someone went there and gave you shit it would be just as retarted as coming here and saying x or y about Brazil!