Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Jan 156]

Perhaps the key is not that different whichever market you choose. To many people, I'm a bit 'over-educated' - so picking up shop assistants comes harder for me. But whatever environment she's in, a woman likes to be treated as a special person in her own right and valued as such. You have to be able to mingle with her crowd so as not to embarrass her, but then you need to make her feel she is more than one of the crowd. For a VM girl, it might be appreciating her love of a particular samba school, and having enough noos to be able to empathise. An artist might want you to be able to see the real artist inside her rather than what her commercial market demands. A leading professor might want you to be able to see she's near genius but also the part that other people miss - the girl that is also vulnerable and with so much to live up to. The glamour girl, once you've proved you can talk the talk and walk the walk, might want to know exactly how you see and appreciate the person of substance that nevertheless has to conquer that world every day.

Just people. Just lovely girls. Appreciate 'em guys. Whether you pay or whether you go 'free.' The best thing about swingers' clubs (amusing but not unrelated thought) is that everyone's the same when you're just wearing a towel or a robe. All the other stuff is just getting through the locker room of the external world, whatever it is. Damning each other's tastes is a bit gay IMO. Especially if it's not even on your own patch.

Help, or shut up. The 'my gold-encrusted knob is bigger than yours' gets a tad weary every so often. What you want me to do - suck it???? We're simply guys passing time inbetween time we'd rather be spending with women. I know cultures are different - some guys really enjoy this jousting and pecking order stuff. To those that don't, it's just BS.

Happy hunting

[Hughdad]

Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I'm referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you're going to ante up the $1, 000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you're in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It's going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, I. E. Money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you've done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT's, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let's recap: you've been socially proofed because you're at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you're obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT's entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you've been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn't happen overnight.

Now, I'm fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That's both understood and expected. However, there are some guys out there who've reached the point where they're looking for the next level or next adventure. For them, I hope this helps.

DRGN

Oh I think we understand perfectly there DRGN (and Prosal).

Your way: spend lots of time, "game" planning and cash chasing after models, actresses and playboy models that may or may not be vapid, self-absorbed and boring. The reward: being able to say you bagged a HVT. (And dressing to the 9's is a must)

Another way: Do inexpensive P4P with some of the hottest ladies around that absolutely love sex. And in doing so, put very little forethought, planning and "work-like" energy into having an absolutely great time. (Dress code: cum as you are.) (Note: I have had hours of great sex with great looking young ladies that were so into it for under R$100.)

I like my level of play and my adventures.

Thanks

[Hughdad]

Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I’m referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you’re going to ante up the $1,000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you’re in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It’s going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, i.e. money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.

And finally, if you’ve done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT’s, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let’s recap: you’ve been socially proofed because you’re at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you’re obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT’s entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you’ve been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn’t happen overnight.

Now, I’m fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That’s both understood and expected.

DRGN

Hey,

There are a bunch of us that do not see much sense in what you and Prosal are proposing. Especially to try to bag some model, actress or men's magazine model that stands a good chance on being as boring as you make it all sound. There are many of us who just won't commit the time and loads of cash you guys require for your "game" plans. When we can have guaranteed red hot sex without any real work, foresight or planning with a beautiful, sexually charged chica for under a R$100. (Then go eat lunch, reload and do it again 30 minutes later) If it just hot sex I am looking for why go through the trouble you guys lay out.

[Prosal]

Wow Moldavia and Uzbekistan! I'm sure there's a lot of glam people down there!

Well, statistically, undoubtedly MUCH more so than in Montreal !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpxMhI-SyI&feature=fvw

[Sperto]

Well contrarily to you, I've actually met and chased with in non-pro glam clubs, both in Chisinau and Tashkent, some eminent members of the ISG "fraternity".
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=537
What about you and your allegedly "share of upper-class girls" my little trutinha, any other proof than your big mouth ?

You dug up an almost four year old post to show that you actually got laid. Please accept my humble congratulations.
Proofs? What's next, a dick measuring contest? I pass.

[Sui Generis]

Well contrarily to you, I've actually met and chased with in non-pro glam clubs, both in Chisinau and Tashkent

Wow that's quite impressive! Moldavia and Uzbekistan! respectively ranked 146th and 77th (GDP ranks)

I'm sure there's a lot of glam people down there! Do you want to borrow my Daniel Boone hat, my Kodiak boots and my lumber jack shirt?


This is a thread concerning Brazil we don't give a damn about frigid Slavic hoes...

[Prosal]

Prosal, your game isn't called "chess". It's called "Second life". The guy sipping Beluga vodka is just your avatar.
Reminds me of the game the guy Gorge (Ramsey Moore) was playing in the movie "Gamer".

Well contrarily to you, I've actually met and chased with in non-pro glam clubs (mostly in Chisinau and Tashkent) some eminent members of the ISG "fraternity".

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=537

I got my share of upper-class girls

What about you and your allegedly "share of upper-class girls" my little trutinha, any other proof than your big mouth ?

Who, in this section, gives a rat's ass about the dress code in FSU?

Grade A chicks are pretty much the same everywhere. In Chisinau, Moscow, Antinanarivo, Paris, Bogota, Miami, Rio, Jakarta, Beyrouth, Tashkent, Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo.

In every face-controlled, high end and expensive club throughout the world, you will find very good looking women, all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look", "style" and "game" to provide the drinks (preferably at a table) and company to get the job done. If you can fit in this description, it's hot flings with hot 9+ women guaranteed. If not, forget about this target group. This is a pure fact in Brasil also. You won't score in Nuth in Rio or Heaven in SP when you can’t do so in Mansion in Miami, Zouk in Singapore or Opera in Moscow.

[Sperto]

Dressing down will gets you nowhere in EE or FSU... As in Brasil cosmopolitan bowels by the way, so I imagine that Sperto, who "got his share of upper-class girls", is a pretty elegant dude.

Who, in this section, gives a rat's ass about the dress code in FSU?
Ouch, those PUC-girls really heart you. Sorry for that.
Yes sir, when I go to VM I look very elegant indeed in my Havaianas. No need for dressing like a pimp when going for P4P.

Your contributions in the Brazil forum are so valuable that I hope you'll get your own thread "Prosal's guide how to bang A-grades in Brazil using FSU-experience".

[Prosal]

There's no need to be dressed as a fag to be succesfull in this game. Maybe the (putative) women you allegedly seduce are more attracted to your look than to yourself.

So wearing Berlutis or designer shirts is being "dressed like a fag"? You're not european, aren't you? ..maybe yank?..or canadian? ..from Quebec? ..then I understand, tabarnak!

Anyhow you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Dressing down will gets you nowhere in EE or FSU. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. Style and clothes are even more important than looks in this part of the world. Looks help obviously, but it really isn't a central theme with slavic girls, who are obsessed with designers goods and are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth. In a few words, anything less than an accordingly well-appointed man is not a man worth fucking.

This is also true in Rio or SP cosmopolitan bowels by the way. So I imagine that Sperto, who "got his share of upper-class girls", is a rather elegant dude.

[Hughdad]

There's no need to be dressed as a fag to be succesfull in this game. Maybe the (putative) women you allegedly seduce are more attracted to your look than to yourself.

Nobody can be proud of playing a game with tampered dice. If the way you perceivel yourself, or if your self-esteem equates only with the way you dress or with the things you can supposedly afford it prooves only oneself: that you may lack confidence in yourself.

Stated perfectly. The "game" should be anti-work (IMO). It is all about self-confidence.

[Sui Generis]

I'm the guy with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.

There's no need to be dressed as a fag to be succesfull in this game. Maybe the (putative) women you allegedly seduce are more attracted to your look than to yourself.

Nobody can be proud of playing a game with tampered dice. If the way you perceivel yourself, or if your self-esteem equates only with the way you dress or with the things you can supposedly afford it prooves only oneself: that you may lack confidence in yourself.

[Sperto]

Go to KataKomba, the "in" place in town. I'm the guy with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.

Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of these girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game, and that's for me what mongering is all about.

Prosal, your game isn't called "chess". It's called "Second life". The guy sipping Beluga vodka is just your avatar.
Reminds me of the game the guy Gorge (Ramsey Moore) was playing in the movie "Gamer".

[Prosal]

I'm truly impressed!When I grow up I want to be just like you, Prosal.

No problems. Come take lessons in Tashkent.

Go to KataKomba, the "in" place in town. I'm the dude with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.

Or more simply, stay in VM, nursing a $2 Brahma for hours and wondering which nightmare cheap skanky prostitute you gonna choose.

I got my share of upper-class girls ; I do like to f**k upper class brazilians

By the way, your "overaged mongers who f**k brazilian models ...a strong smell of bullsh*t" was a kind of self-confession, wasn't it ?

[Sperto]

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Go ahead Ranu Gupta, this section is already heavily infected.

Throw in some Dubai in the soup and we'll get a nice mixture of Dubai, FSU, brazilian celebrities, a bunch of overaged mongers who f**k brazilian models and a strong smell of bullsh*t.

[Sperto]

We are all different. Some like shop girls, some like single moms, some like cheap hoes, some like models, ect. I personally prefer (demand) tall, leggy, white, glam non-pro girls with nice racks and with a definite "model-like" quality and confidence. Girls of a quality (in a physical sense) and of a level that in your own country would make them accessible only on the pages of fashion magazines or on TV screens, and that you actually need an excess of self-esteem to find the courage to approach. That's why my new hunting ground is FSU, where the density of top-beauties is statistically absurd and where you're constantly surrounded by girls who are worth a book of pictures and a recommendation letter to any model agency in Milan, Paris, Miami or New York.

You have to be a certain kind of guy to have consistent success with girls like this, in my opinion. You have to have a physical presence, the charm and communication skills, the time, the style and clothes (everywhere in the world, Brasil included, Grade A girls are extremely fashion-conscious), the confidence, the cultural awareness, enough money (or at least the appearance you have money), and a LOVE of "playing the game", which some of us, and obviously guys like Drgn, are expert at. Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of these girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game, and that's for me what mongering is all about.

Yet as usual, to each its own.

Oh, by the way, in FSU, contrarily to Brasil where girls are not as wild, you also HAVE to be a serious (and thirsty) party-goer. In the face-controlled, high end expensive clubs, you will find very good looking women, all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look" and "game" to provide the food, drinks and company to get the job done. If you can fit in this description, it's hot flings with beautiful dyevs guaranteed. If not,IMO better skip this part of the world.

I'm truly impressed!
When I grow up I want to be just like you, Prosal.