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12-01-09 12:01 #595
Posts: 2306Originally Posted by Hughdad
It comes down to "game". You have to be a certain kind of guy to have consistent success with girls like this, in my opinion. You have to have a physical presence, the charm and communication skills, the time, the style/clothes (everywhere in the world, Brasil included, Grade A girls are extremely fashion-conscious), the confidence, the cultural awareness, enough money (or at least the appearance you have money), and a LOVE of "playing the game", which some of us, and obviously guys like Drgn, are expert at. Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of these girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game, and that's for me what mongering is all about.
As for the the good-looking "glam" girls being bitchier or colder in bed, I haven't necessarily noticed. This is maybe true in US, Europe or S.America (where the hottest chicks are admittedly from euro descent, part of the "elite" classes, and definitely a bit "spoiled"), but definitively not in FSU, where 9s and 10s are literally legions in every stratum of the society.
Anyway as usual, to each its own.
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12-01-09 11:00 #594
Posts: 15811Originally Posted by Drgn
Originally Posted by Hughdad
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12-01-09 00:31 #593
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Drgn
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12-01-09 00:16 #592
Posts: 2345Originally Posted by Bravo
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11-30-09 22:24 #591
Posts: 1535Originally Posted by Exec Talent
No matter how hard I tried to explain to her that we barely knew each other and that we couldnt call each other boyfriend/girlfriend just yet, she didnt want to hear it. She insisted that I was just playing with her and I wasnt being serious about her feelings. At first I thought she was just crazy, but now I see that its a cultural difference.
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11-30-09 21:33 #590
Posts: 2345Originally Posted by Lukasek
Learning the 'game' is only half the answer - as Neil Strauss discovered. It's ok as a tool, a technology, a 'science.'. But science alone don't build beautiful buildings, write inspiring songs, or form connections with the opposite sex that make ze earth move. (Just my opinion.)
And do try not to give him (or worse - any of his emulators) all your cash lol
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11-30-09 20:48 #589
Posts: 1699Vin DiCarlo....
I start to read his books not long time ago, I would like to know the opinion of the others here and if somebody tried them, cause to me they seem enough wise to be true.
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11-30-09 20:16 #588
Posts: 4048Drgn,
Thank your sharing your strategy. I found it interesting, even though it's not my cup of tea. The procedure is to technical and time- and money-wasting to suit me, but then I don't f**k celebrities.
So have you practiced it in Brazil and succeding in nailing any celebrity, model or playboy girl?
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11-30-09 18:51 #587
Posts: 57Dude, seriously, take a Xanax and relax. Okay, deep breath, and release…feel better?
Originally Posted by Zingadoon
Your response to my post just means you and I play the game at a different level. Nothing more, nothing less. The purpose of my original post was to point out that there ARE different levels to the game, which I believe was the core of the disagreement between Prosal and Sperto. They are both right, just in different contexts. If you are the kind of guy who is still struggling with the early stages of the game, then I completely understand how some of my posts could “strain credulity”. I had the good fortune of meeting someone who’s skills, beliefs, and experiences far surpassed mine and he opened an entirely new world of possibilities for me. Clearly, my hope is to do the same for you.
Success with women is just like success with money. It’s easier to make a million dollars when you know how, then it is to make a $100 when you don’t. It’s easier to sleep with a 10 when you know how, then it is to get a 5 when you don’t. Pimps, players, and pick-up artists experience sexual abundance the same way the wealthy experience financial abundance, ie there is ALWAYS a next level. When you reach the point where you’re getting consistent results with non-pro’s (assume that’s what I’m referring to from now on), you start looking for ways to challenge yourself and improve. For example, if you normally date 7’s, then you start improving the quality to 8’s, 9’s and 10’s. If it usually takes a week to close, then you work on getting it done in a day or two with the real goal being the same night. Then you start getting really specific, like saying for the next two weeks I’m only going to talk to blondes with D-cups or brunettes with glasses, or short redheads, etc.
You realize men are attracted to visual cues while women are attracted to BEHAVIORAL cues. When you truly grasp that, you can go into any environment and get attraction. Also, in any environment, you’ll find that if the men tend to be “X”, then the women start wishing they were a little more “Y”. You display some “X” for familiarity, then throw in some “Y” for attraction. You’re using the familiar as a bridge to the unfamiliar. For example, I’ve been in environments where the men were affluent, but wusses. You display the affluence (familiar) and throw in some devilish/mischievous behavior (unfamiliar) for attraction. Or in working-class environments where the men were macho, you display the underlying strength and attitude with your body language (familiar) while throwing in some sophistication with your verbal language and style of dress (unfamiliar).
You then become very good at creating an intense emotional connection quickly with your language. Why? Because for many women that’s part of their strategy for sexual fulfillment. You’ll notice women always use the word “connection” when talking to their friends about a new guy. When a woman feels attraction and an emotional connection, sex is the natural next step for her, like water running downhill.
Next, you want to become very good at blowing her fuses sexually. You’ll find most women are not fulfilled sexually and that is a way to create a transformational experience for her. And sexual conditioning enables you to completely control the “relationship”, however long it lasts. (One of my ex’s was conditioned to have an orgasm when we kissed…useful tool in the middle of an argument…)
Notice, at no point did I mention looks or money, because it doesn’t matter at those stages. However, it’s REALLY important at the next level…working the SOCIAL NETWORK. Why? Because money is the first gatekeeper. (Bear in mind, when I say looks, I’m referring to your sense of style, not genetics.) For example, if you want to work the VIP room at a hot club, then you’re going to ante up the $1,000 plus for a table. And for your presence to matter, you have to do it consistently over a few weeks. During that time, you want to get to know the manager, promoter, doorman, and owner if possible. You also want to become friends with other cool guys in the scene. Why is this important? They are the NEXT round of gatekeepers. They provide access to the AFTER parties. Once you’re in the after parties, you again get to know the promoters, doorman, cool guys, etc. Again, why is this important? Because, they are the NEXT round of gatekeepers for the HOUSE parties, and private events. It’s going to cost you all along because you have to look the part and act the part, i.e. money is not an issue. You will also be interacting with women to help build your social proof. Be aware your value goes up at each stage because you must be either really rich or really well-connected, or both, to have access. The women will also tend to become more attractive at each stage because of the screening by the gatekeepers.
And finally, if you’ve done all of that right, you will encounter the HVT’s, or High Value Targets, at the house parties/private events. Let’s recap: you’ve been socially proofed because you’re at the event in the first place. You have both men and women in the scene vouching for you as a cool guy. Plus, you’re obviously not broke. Why are these important? Because, the FINAL round of gatekeepers will be the HVT’s entourage. At this point, just keep doing what you’ve been doing and see what happens. Make friends and be a cool guy. Your level of success with the HVT will come down to your skills. The purpose of this PROCESS is to get you ACCESS. Just remember, it IS a process and doesn’t happen overnight.
Now, I’m fully aware that this post will make absolutely no sense to most guys here. That’s both understood and expected. However, there are some guys out there who’ve reached the point where they’re looking for the next level or next adventure. For them, I hope this helps.
DRGN
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11-30-09 18:03 #586
Posts: 2345It strikes me as a pretty healthy attitude really - I just wish more countries followed suit. It goes both ways. Men and women will have a girlfriend/boyfriend on the side. It's normal. But the rule is: never get found out. Never do anything that would even risk being found out. You, meanwhile, are the greatest, most faithful, most passionate, most noble man that ever walked, who would never for one instant look at another woman! So your woman will tell everyone, from her friends, to her family, to your family, to her hairdresser and anyone else that will listen. And in quite a loud voice to demonstrate how lucky and special she is. But it will change as fast as a freak storm in a clear blue sky if she catches you. (I think anyone who has spent even a few weeks in Brasil knows what a garota with a rage on her looks like - yes, scary!). It's very much about having an image that can not only be believed but that one can even boast about. And pride demands equal or more histrionics if ever that image is shattered.
It seems to go through all levels of society. A US president or a UK prime minister has an affair and the wounded wife sulks and then the media and so on decide that, due to where his willie has been, the man is no longer fit for public office. When a Brasilian politician gets caught out, I don't think the thought of his sex life having a direct bearing on how good a politician he is even crosses anyone's mind.
And we're supposed to be the 'advanced', 'scientific' nations . . . duh
Just noticed we're short on photos - dear dear - was going to post a couple of ex-s but by the above logic they might not relish having their photos posted, much less on a board that specialises in putas lol. So here's a little gymnastic work instead
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11-30-09 13:01 #585
Posts: 2278Girlfriend
One thing I have noticed about Brazilian men is that they have girlfriends. They do not date. That does not mean that they do not cheat, but that they have a main girlfriend whom they present to the family. It is not proper to be seen in public with one girl Friday night and another Saturday night. Interestingly, this week it may be one girl and next week another but there IS a girlfriend.
If you are with one girl she will accept (not like, but accept) that you have been with another girl in private. Just do not embarrass her by being seen in public with another woman (hence, the termas).
Another thing I wanted to bring up is that if you have a Brazilian girlfriend you will be expected to have sex (often). This may sound great, but this is not sex for you, it is for her. Her pleasure and also to make sure you have nothing left for another woman.
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11-30-09 10:22 #584
Posts: 401Originally Posted by drgn
if we are talking about simple sex (without pursuing a long-term relationship) a sexy shop clerk will most probably give me a hotter, intense go than a model or actress. just pure, raw sex. and since we are using the menu metaphor, why limit yourself to expensive entrees, i am going to order off the whole f'ing menu. hey, i've enjoyed a $2 authentic taco more than a top steakhouse choice cut. when i was in the mood.
i also worked a leading author of a best-selling book on playing the "game". he is an amazingly bright, interesting and really nice guy. i have met many of his disciples. quite frankly they are geeks that have spent too much of their lives in front of a computer screen. social retards. having game is really all the things many here have been discussing lately. confidence (and zero fear of rejection), taking a definite interest in grooming and appearance, having a sense of humor, determination and knowing what you want, and a command of the native language. you can overthink it all you want and make it into a "science" if you'd like. but to me there is nothing boring about lots of hot sex with a woman of simplier means.
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11-30-09 08:42 #583
Posts: 1535Originally Posted by Christopherd
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11-30-09 08:18 #582
Posts: 2345Brasil doesn't seem particularly short to me. Just that the US is particularly long. The dating rituals in the US are a little unusual.
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11-30-09 07:03 #581
Posts: 1535Very fast dating period. Why?
Wanted to get other guys opinion on this cultural difference. I have been going to brasil for years and it seems like they have a very short courting period.
Here in the states we go thru the whole ritual of dating. We spend 2 to 3 months talking, going out to eat, meeting their friends and family, going to bars and clubs, learning their likes and dislikes, etc.... Even though you may be fucking, there are no ties and responsibilities at this point, you are still in the "we are just dating, we are just getting to know one another " stage. After that 2-3 months, you then decide whether or not you want to give that person the title of being called your girlfriend.
I have noticed with brasilians, they dont have that whole "We are just dating" timeperiod. It seems like, they go on 1 or 2 dates and then instantly they are boyfriend and girlfriend. Does anyone know why they have such short courting periods? Why do they jump right into relationships so fast?