Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Galvin]

Day 2

I will skip the touring stuff with you guys. Did some beach time. Then went to Parcao (sp?) the churrisco (sp?). Due to all of the action last night. I was literally not in the mood to do anything. But after leaving Porcao I said, what the hell. I want to check out 4x4. I probably reached there around 9:30/10 and it wasn't packed but it wasn't empty either.

So what are my first thoughts of 4x4. Definitely the spot for guys who like big bunda's. And then from there it went down hill. I would talk to some of the chicas. Get through the first 4 questions they ask. Your name, where you from, why you here, you like me and then it would be dead silence. WTF. Brazil got some lazy chicas. I don't know what this is but I don't run into this problem as much in the DR as I started to run into it in Brazil over the next few days. The amount these girls interact with guys from all over there is no need for them to be so lazy and not try to break the language barrier. Anyone who put forth the effort in my book I viewed in a better light. Also, I found this more symptomatic at certain Termas. 4x4 being one of them. So yeah, I enjoyed talking to some chicas. Screening others. Left after an hour or two and went and grabbed a good night of sleep.

Is it possible to get a moderator to move this to the Rio report area? Posted it in the wrong place.

Thanks

[Golfinho]

sperto, my ego thanks you for the kind words. i readily admit to having an extremely low boredom threshold. that's why i keep using that video game metaphor. and my posts are not just about hunting in brazil, they're about hunting anywhere.

"high value target" refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. they are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc. the kind of women you would meet in cannes during the film festival, monte carlo during race week, a celebrity party in the hamptons, or the vip room at a high end vegas / nyc / london / miami club, i. e. any kind of environment where money is no object. the term high value target alludes to the fact that they are generally inaccessible to most men for a variety of reasons. interaction with these women is usually reserved for wealthy, famous, or extremely well-connected men. their social circles are often very closed and many of them have gatekeepers in some form or fashion. as a side note, there are affluent/hnw guys who read this board for whom hvt's are their peer group.

why hvt's? pure sport and it keeps things interesting. it's advanced pick-up and seduction as an art form. no cheating needed. my game has evolved to the point where i don't care about competing with brazilian guys, just like i don't care about other american guys, british guys, russian guys, etc. there are so many regular women (targets of opportunity) on hand that it would take many life times just to scratch the surface. filet mignon is readily available. anything less than filet mignon is not worth the hard-on. the only thing remaining is sampling the delicacies that different parts of the world have to offer. that is, until boredom overtakes me

too much! here's a man who sat in the back of a plane for half the night and got miraculously transformed in his own mind into an interesting person.

[Sperto]

“High Value Target” refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. They are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc.

"Actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites". Targeting celebrities sounds very ambitious. Picking one of these in Brazil is propably easy if you're a celebrity yourself. If you're just a gringo tourist these celebrity women will propably not even let you smell their farts.

The closest I have come to a brazilian celebrity was when I was jogging in Ondina in Salvador and I passed a sweating Ivete Zangalo jogging together with her bodyguards.

Hum... and Vanessa Ribeiro as well.

[Drgn]

sperto, my ego thanks you for the kind words. i readily admit to having an extremely low boredom threshold. that’s why i keep using that video game metaphor. and my posts are not just about hunting in brazil, they’re about hunting anywhere.

“high value target” refers to women that are generally placed on a pedestal or viewed as the top of society for that particular environment. they are often actresses, models, entertainers, playboy girls, rich socialites, etc. the kind of women you would meet in cannes during the film festival, monte carlo during race week, a celebrity party in the hamptons, or the vip room at a high end vegas/nyc/london/miami club, i.e. any kind of environment where money is no object. the term high value target alludes to the fact that they are generally inaccessible to most men for a variety of reasons. interaction with these women is usually reserved for wealthy, famous, or extremely well-connected men. their social circles are often very closed and many of them have gatekeepers in some form or fashion. as a side note, there are affluent/hnw guys who read this board for whom hvt’s are their peer group.

why hvt’s? pure sport and it keeps things interesting. it’s advanced pick-up and seduction as an art form. no cheating needed. my game has evolved to the point where i don’t care about competing with brazilian guys, just like i don’t care about other american guys, british guys, russian guys, etc. there are so many regular women (targets of opportunity) on hand that it would take many life times just to scratch the surface. filet mignon is readily available. anything less than filet mignon is not worth the hard-on. the only thing remaining is sampling the delicacies that different parts of the world have to offer. that is, until boredom overtakes me…

[Sperto]

If you really have to have sex with white upper-class brazilian girls your best chances to score will be when they are on holiday.

Porto Seguro, in Bahia, is a good hunting ground. The patricinhas wants to have sex on their holiday. The majority of these white rich girls choose a local black capoeira-guy as their holiday-f**k, but some of them wants a gringo.

[Galvin]

Day 2

I will skip the touring stuff with you guys. Did some beach time. Then went to Parcao (sp?) the churrisco (sp?). Due to all of the action last night. I was literally not in the mood to do anything. But after leaving Porcao I said, what the hell. I want to check out 4x4. I probably reached there around 9:30/10 and it wasn't packed but it wasn't empty either.

So what are my first thoughts of 4x4. Definitely the spot for guys who like big bunda's. And then from there it went down hill. I would talk to some of the chicas. Get through the first 4 questions they ask. Your name, where you from, why you here, you like me and then it would be dead silence. WTF. Brazil got some lazy chicas. I don't know what this is but I don't run into this problem as much in the DR as I started to run into it in Brazil over the next few days. The amount these girls interact with guys from all over there is no need for them to be so lazy and not try to break the language barrier. Anyone who put forth the effort in my book I viewed in a better light. Also, I found this more symptomatic at certain Termas. 4x4 being one of them. So yeah, I enjoyed talking to some chicas. Screening others. Left after an hour or two and went and grabbed a good night of sleep.

[Sprite13]

Beautiful post Sperto! As usual, you hit it hard and very nicely.
Your post should be made mandatory reading to anyone aspiring to getting into the awesome world of non pro girls in Brasil.
One thing that perhaps you may have forgotten to mention on your excellent post, or perhaps that's a foregone conclusion that anyone pursuing non pros has if not a fluent mastery of the Portuguese language, at least they can speak fairly well.
In short, it can be summarized into 4 very easy baby steps:

a) learn the language.
b) get away from the touristy areas and for drastically better results, go to other capitals in Brasil.
c) be open-minded and have a geniune interest in the local culture.
d) be a gentleman, well groomed and not a cheap burro.

If you meet the above mentioned criterias or if not, invest the time to do so (for a, b and c), then a whole ball game opens up in front of you where buying sex from p4p girls will become obsolete as you'd be overwhelmed by the incredible mind blowing sex from the non pros that can dream of.


Amen.

[Jan 156]

Great posts. If there's only one other major category to cover, maybe it's a pro who decides she wants to be with you when she's not working. Having dated quite a few women in Brasil and back home who's daytime job was p4p or escorting (in one case we went out together for over a year), there's a big difference in the quality of sex from when she's working and when she's not working. If she's dating you, and not getting any financial return (Girls who's job is p4p can be quite fastidious at not letting you pay for more than you share of meals etc), she's doing it cos she wants to and it shows in the sex. To me, there is simply no comparison between paid sex and non-paid sex, even if both can be mind-blowing. And if you are getting non-paid sex on a regular basis with a girl, what's the difference if her job is a check-out girl at the supermarket, a university professor, or a pro? I've dated plenty of all three. In a couple of cases, I've seen them both as a customer and as a boyfriend. One girl was so crap at sex when I paid for it, I blew her off for a month when she wanted to be my girlfriend. And when she finally got a shot she was pretty awesome.

The main thing I'd add to Sperto's excellent post is that with non-p4p, when you're dating, you get spontaneity. An honest spontaneity (that can even include her not being in the mood). But it happens in a spontaneous way between two people that is on a different level to p4p. Even one you've hired for the duration.

[Sperto]

As Brazil is different from Europe/US I would like to give another of my opinions on brazilian non-pro's.

Let us talk about Hot Dogs, Filé Mignon and Russian Caviar.
BTW, thank you, Drgn, for a very interesting post.

REGULAR GIRLS, NON-PRO'S IN BRAZIL.
Most of the advices in this section goes for any women on this planet. If you're a non-scorer back at home, go for P4P in Brazil. If not, use the advantage of being a gringo when you go non-pro-hunting in Brazil.

WHY BRAZILIAN NON-PRO'S?
* I love women, specially brazilian women. I "fall in love" every day in Brazil. Beautiful eyes, bumping tits, bunda-do-jacaré-sway etc and I go louco. After I land in Galeão until I have passed the PF on the way out I've got my p***y radar on all the time without any exceptions. Expecting what? Maybe eye-candy, a smile, a phone number, a date or a quick f**k. Everything can happen (and have happened) in Brazil.

WHERE TO MEET NON-PRO'S?
* Clubs are good, but my best encounters with regular girls in Brazil have happened when I've least expected it. Bus, supermercado, bank, shop-clerk, beach, when jogging etc. Going clubbing only comes on maybe the third place. Conclusion: Always leave the radar on.

PURPOSE OF MEETING NON-PRO'S?
1. Satisfy a need. Sometimes the goal is just to conquer her and to get an orgasm, nothing else.
2. Sport. Buying sex in Brazil is like buying a hot dog, a P4P-hot-dog. Horny? OK, let´s take a metro to centro and within one hour I'm heading back with my needs satisfied. Getting a non-pro is more of a sport.
3. Ego. Any guy can buy a pro and have her moaning and faking orgasms. Non-pro's falling for your charm or whatever makes you feel good.
4. Economy. Non-pro's are for free (yes I know, many of you thinks not, but at least the way I do it's just about for free).
5. Q u a l i t y of sex (very important). Non-pro's are much better! A pro can roll on a condom with her mouth and s**k and f**K in every position you want. Great! Brazilians non-pro's, let say 70% still do it much better. There will always be some non-pro girls who will do suck-with-biting and doggy-with curled-back, but the average non-pro girl perfoms much better than a pro (at least the first times).
NOTE: Remember! Pro-girls still fill the P4P-hot-dog-need. If I'm horny I can satisfy my need in a quick and uncomplicated need. That's why I enjoy cheap joints. I can fulfill special desires. Today I want dark chocolate, big tits, giant bunda, long legs etc... When I buy sex I only look for a quick and well-performed sexual performance. I don't look for GFE with pro's. It's just an extra bonus.

WHAT DO I WANT IN THE FIRST STAGE? A NON-PRO-HOT DOG!
1. It's very biological, nature-like. I want an appealing woman in a suitable age with a nice body that looks like she has the qualifications to satisfy my needs.
2. Her skin colour, looks, eyes, smile, breast and bunda size are important at the first stage. Her background, education, class etc have no importance at all when fullfilling the hot-dog-need.
3. IF she turns out to be not only a good f**k but also an interesting person she moves up to the filé-mignon-level.

WHAT DO I WANT IN THE SECOND STAGE? A FILÉ MIGNON!
* My definition of a filé mignon is a woman that not only have a great body, beauty and excellent f**k-skillage, but also other qualites. Qualities like being smart, intelligent, honest, experienced of life and "educated". These qualities have nothing to do with being upper-class or attended good universities (I'm partly speaking of myself, good education and a good profession but still a horny burro ).
* With the filé mignon you do all the things that you don't do with the hot dog. Cinema, nice dinners (without counting the bill in advance, will this give any reward to my invested money...), shopping (in places more expensive than C&A), meet family, DATY, bareback(?), cock for her, evenings at home and sleeping together without hiding the door-key behind the refigerator.

"HIGH VALUE TARGET".
* Drgn mentioned this interesting phrase. What's the definition? A beautiful blond burra, daughter of a rich daddy with a mansion in Barra OR a stunning intelligent hard-working and night-time-studying morena who lives in a communidade that's classified as a favela? I choose the latter.
* I do like to f**k upper class brazilians. It's like eating russian caviar. When you eat it have to enjoy it, because it tastes well or just because it's exotic and expensive. Also, in Brazil upper class means white and blond. F**K that! Where I live this is 90% of the population. What turns me on is morenas and negras.

TARGETING.
IMO and values value targeting in Brazil has nothing to do with lower class girls, upper class girls, skin colors etc.
Redefinition:
- Targeting lower class girls contra upper class girls in Brazil: A complicated subject as Brazil has a wide range of types of girls:
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=746
Let us assume you're targeting a brazilian "No 2", Girl with interest in you only because of the attraction (no hope of marriage, money-gifts, marriage etc).
Unless you're incredible good-looking your strongest card will be that you're a gringo and look different!

WHAT'S YOUR VALUE?
* Now it's when it becomes really different from girl-hunting back home. Why? Because you're not brazilian, you're a gringo. You have the triumph cards.
* "Great, I'm a fat middle-aged gringo, will I f**k 20-years models for free?" Of course not! You don't have a magic stick.
* Brazilian guys are masters in p***y-hunting. You don't want to compete with them on the same conditions. You want to cheat! That's why some of them will hate you forever.
* My strongest cards are that I have blue eyes and blond hair. Other buddies use their green eyes, brown eyes, extreme lenght, physics etc. What is important in the brazilian p***y-contest is that you're different.

STRATEGY.
* The brazilian average dark morena from the favela or the nativa in the interior will open your legs to you because you're so different from the local guys, that is if you also fill her other expectations of a man.
* The brazilian white blond upper class girl opens her legs as well, in a more complicated way. They are not less horny than the "faveladas". They just need a different approach and inviting.
I don't waste my time hunting these "russian caviars" at the clubs. If and when I stumble on them it's more of a coincidence. They are much easier to hunt when you go to the interior. Then, you as a gringo are a real novelty.

THE MOST IMPORTANT FACOR TO GET LAID EASY WITH NON-PRO'S IN BRAZIL.
Go to the non-touristy areas. My p***y-heavens in Brazil are the Capitals in Brazil that have almost no posts in this forum.

DREAMING MONGERS.
Every now and then I note posts about the desire of these incredible upper-class girls that hang out in the chique clubs in Rio. This makes me smile. Why?
1. Propably the only acquaintance these posters had of these upper class girls are the girls that they have seen at Nuth or the girls strolling at Barra Shopping, imagining that they were the cream of the cream.
2. The only difference between brazilian upper-class girls and lower class girls are their skin colour, clothes and sometimes the way they talk. They'll suck your d**k in the same way.
I know I will upset Prosal now (sorry), but after studying at PUC in Rio together with just about only white upper-class girls I had the opportunity of eating lots of "russian caviar". It was great, but when it comes to sexual performance and GFE these patricinhas are no different than the "favela girls".

Amen.

[Golfinho]

Okay, I don't know Sperto or Prosal. I've never met either of them personally. And I give credit to both for their contributions to the board. That said, I totally get Prosal's post. He wasn't saying that guys can't have success with non-pro's in Brazil. He's not talking about the secretary or shop girl. He's talking about "high value" targets.

Some guys like the shop girls, etc, and that's fine for them. Personally, I find it boring. Average girls are available all day, everyday, ad nauseum. Don't get me wrong, they can be pretty, sexy, fun but average. Sex is such a foregone conclusion, that it becomes almost anti-climatic. It's like playing a video game over and over and over again on the easiest level. Yawn, snooze. Enter the "high value target". I'm referring to the "glamazon" or "turbo girl" that already has access to the BEST her society has to offer. She's already had rich boyfriends, already comes from an affluent background, has a good education, has already travelled extensively, etc. To that target, the fact that you're a gringo is nothing of value. I believe Prosal's message was directed at the guys who think that being a gringo is enough for them to "fight at that weight class". It's not.

The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull "high value targets" in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously. It comes down to value. What value do you provide/offer that "high value target"? This is where game conquers all. If you understand game, then you already have an understanding of VALUE as it relates to women. Value can means different things to different women. And often, value can mean different things to the SAME woman depending on the context. The magic word is compartmentalization.

DRGN

"If you want to be a bull fighter, you must first learn how to be a bull".

What are you talking about? Sitting in the back of a plane for half the night will transform every gringo long past his expiration date instantly into an alpha male, and more than that, into an 'interesting person. ' You only get what you play for.

[Drgn]

Okay, I don’t know Sperto or Prosal. I’ve never met either of them personally. And I give credit to both for their contributions to the board. That said, I totally get Prosal’s post. He wasn’t saying that guys can’t have success with non-pro’s in Brazil. He’s not talking about the secretary or shop girl. He’s talking about “high value” targets.

Some guys like the shop girls, etc, and that’s fine for them. Personally, I find it boring. Average girls are available all day, everyday, ad nauseum. Don’t get me wrong, they can be pretty, sexy, fun…but average. Sex is such a foregone conclusion, that it becomes almost anti-climatic. It’s like playing a video game over and over and over again on the easiest level. Yawn, snooze…. Enter the “high value target”. I’m referring to the “glamazon” or “turbo girl” that already has access to the BEST her society has to offer. She’s already had rich boyfriends, already comes from an affluent background, has a good education, has already travelled extensively, etc. To that target, the fact that you’re a gringo is nothing of value. I believe Prosal’s message was directed at the guys who think that being a gringo is enough for them to “fight at that weight class”. It’s not.

The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull “high value targets” in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously. It comes down to value. What value do you provide/offer that “high value target”? This is where game conquers all. If you understand game, then you already have an understanding of VALUE as it relates to women. Value can means different things to different women. And often, value can mean different things to the SAME woman depending on the context. The magic word is compartmentalization.

DRGN

“If you want to be a bull fighter, you must first learn how to be a bull”.

[Jan 156]

Non-pros are great. Of course they are. But here's my sense of proportion fwiw.

Non-pros, potentially, might provide more intense, satisfying and fulfilling experiences than GDPs. Does that mean we suddenly downgrade GDPs??? I don't think so.

Sure, search for non-GDPs. A holiday romance or that 'one special relationship.' Or maybe satisfy the ego ("I don't have to pay for it" syndrome) or your economic conscience ("Spending money in a relationship doesn't 'count'" lol). But just cos they are in some sense 'better,' don't waste your hard-won ticket at Pussy Wonderland by pining for stuff outside the fairground.

As someone said already, scoring with non-GDPs comes down to a host of the usual factors. But the big relevant difference is time. You can have a holiday romance anywhere. You can't get holiday p4pussy anywhere. At least not to the same degree as here or one or two other select locations.

I personally find non-GDP action just occurs naturally after a few weeks. Subconsciously, I think I prefer it that way. I no longer have a forehead tattoo that says, 'Warning: needs 3 shags a day." If I fall in love I can be faithful without feeling I've missed out. And I leave before it gets messy.

1. Have unlimited sex with unlimited number of women.
2. Find free braincells to appreciate other things in life (ie Brasil) as if they were more important than sex.
3. Have satisfying sexual relationship with non-GDP to further develop (2) above.

Seems simple enough to me.

(Remember, Bali has cleaner beaches than Rio. Don't let that let that affect your time in RJ.)

[Ryjerrob]

My encounters with regular girls in Brazil might just lead to a 30 minutes acquaintance or to a 10 years relation as f**k-friends-once-a-year, or in some cases relationships with deeper feelings involved. Some girls have been very beautiful and some have been nasty. What matters is that I have enjoyed myself and I can't say I regret any encounters.

I have the opinion that any gringo who travels to non-touristy areas in Brazil during a longer period will get laid for free. The difficulty or easiness for him getting laid depends only on him. If he's young, fit and speak good portuguese he will get laid. If he's old, fat and with a limited knowledge of portuguese he will also get laid, not that easy and propably with an older woman that have seen her better days.

Everybody can improve their chances of meeting nice non-pro's in Brazil.
1. Leave the touristy areas. Brazil is very big.
2. Learn portuguese. At least to a level that makes you able to communicate, together with gestures and maybe a dictionary.
3. You can't do anything about your age, but you can try to keep fit. Any women prefers a man that takes care of his physics instead of a big-bellied bum.
4. Brazilian women, in a higher extent than european women, don't appreciate men that are too serious. Smile, joke, be happy and make them enjoy your company.
5. With time and experience you evolve your own strategy/gameplay that works well for you when meeting brazilian non-pro's.

Some gringos will get hurt. They misjudged the innocent brazilian woman they have met. Instead of holding true feelings she only had the intention of milking the cow dry. These "mines" are a part of the game. Don't play the game if you don't want to risk loosing.

In some cases these burnt gringos get so bitter and drown in their misery and wants to state on public forums the impossibility of gringos meeting regular girls in Brazil.
Instead of listening to them, or to me BTW, give it a try yourself.

This should be it..................I mean, how can this not make sense to anyone. It's so elementary, it's ridiculous. While some like to keep things going n here, I think you paint a clear picture for everyone. Mongering in any place year after year, is an investment. Money, time, vacation from work, mongering is an investment for further trips. We're all from time to time, chasing after that free piece. I have been successful to have made connections on my own, and from friends of families that always invite me over.

Thanks for setting the record straight!!!!!!!!!!!!

ryjer

[Golfinho]

We're all different. Some only wants P4P and others enjoy regular girls as well. I enjoy both very much.

My encounters with regular girls in Brazil might just lead to a 30 minutes acquaintance or to a 10 years relation as f**k-friends-once-a-year, or in some cases relationships with deeper feelings involved. Some girls have been very beautiful and some have been nasty. What matters is that I have enjoyed myself and I can't say I regret any encounters.

I have the opinion that any gringo who travels to non-touristy areas in Brazil during a longer period will get laid for free. The difficulty or easiness for him getting laid depends only on him. If he's young, fit and speak good portuguese he will get laid. If he's old, fat and with a limited knowledge of portuguese he will also get laid, not that easy and propably with an older woman that have seen her better days.

Everybody can improve their chances of meeting nice non-pro's in Brazil.

1. Leave the touristy areas. Brazil is very big.

2. Learn portuguese. At least to a level that makes you able to communicate, together with gestures and maybe a dictionary.

3. You can't do anything about your age, but you can try to keep fit. Any women prefers a man that takes care of his physics instead of a big-bellied bum.

4. Brazilian women, in a higher extent than european women, don't appreciate men that are too serious. Smile, joke, be happy and make them enjoy your company.

5. With time and experience you evolve your own strategy/gameplay that works well for you when meeting brazilian non-pro's.

Some gringos will get hurt. They misjudged the innocent brazilian woman they have met. Instead of holding true feelings she only had the intention of milking the cow dry. These "mines" are a part of the game. Don't play the game if you don't want to risk loosing.

In some cases these burnt gringos get so bitter and drown in their misery and wants to state on public forums the impossibility of gringos meeting regular girls in Brazil.

Instead of listening to them, or to me BTW, give it a try yourself.

Having been extensively to "interior areas". MG and Goiais primarily, I can tell you with the certainty of experience that a lot of these 'small town' girls come from very conservative backgrounds. These are girls who have NEVER seen (much less encountered) a foreigner. On the flip side, there is the novelty factor. And, well, the slatternly and the willing exist everywhere. There is a clear fault line between 'good' and 'bad' girls. Decide which way you want to go. And go for it.

[Eros74]

Sperto your IMHO is something I totally agree and more over I think between the 5 points you had wrote, the 5th is the most difficult one as most of us go to Brazil just for 1 or 2 weeks and according to my experience this is too short time to get a real brazilian gem together the fact that in holidays I am often very impatient to close the deal. On the opposite when I am at home in Europe, I am not in hurry, so much time and even if it seems a paradox but I close the deal easier, not to mention that where I live I do not look like as a monger as when I am in copa.