Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[Black Snake]

What's the law with alimony or child support in Brasil? I was told by a local that you have to pay the girl 30% of your income if you knock her up and she proves you're the father in court.

What was told in the past child support is about R400 or R450 per month but judge can go with a higher rate but this was around 2004.

[Hobbying]

What's the law with alimony or child support in Brasil? I was told by a local that you have to pay the girl 30% of your income if you knock her up and she proves you're the father in court.

[Abzsafado]

I think this is going off topic.

My situation is meeting a woman who might have been a pro in the past.

What do you do to find out and if she is what to do then?

You do nothing. You think, "How would you want to be treated?". Do you want her snooping around in your past, going through all your dirty little secrets? The womans past is what made her the woman that she is today, if you like the woman forget her past. If you think she is running some sort of game on you then get to fuck out of the relationship. You don't need proof, its not a court of law, if you feel uneasy walk away.
Not all hookers are bad people, they may rip people off but so do bankers, lawyers, accountants, bar men, dealers and taxi drivers to name but a few. Its not their fault the world is full of mugs.
The golden rule of life is every game has a fool, if you look around the game you are playing and can't see the fool then it's probably you. Get the fuck out of the game while you still can.

[Jan 156]

Ho's are just very good actors. The copa girls aim is to get as many dumb gringoes who send them as much money as possible. 4 dumb gringoes 1000r per week each. 4000r per week income. Them girls will go to help weekends to find more dumb suckers. That is all they know. You would be suprised at how many off them have a child by a american or european, got an apartment bought for them by the kids dad, there parents look after there kid and they are working help. They all claim they are studying at uni. I would say that one in 3 *****s at help are recieving over 1000r per week in alimony from some sucker.

This does get done to death every so often, as regular visitors know. I'm just trying to introduce balance. The standard view espoused here by Johnny Braz and Perkele is the THE best advice for anyone that isn't very long in the tooth and exceedingly familiar with Brazil ways from many visits. But the view espoused by ET is not complete bullsh*t either - just that it is not relevant for most people.

Yes, ho's are actors. One ex-working girl I know well uses the acting skills to cope with the occasionally moronic and inconsiderate behaviour of her otherwise ideal husband (who doesn't know her past). They have been very happily married for several years, have several kids, and she is living the life she always wanted. There is no way she would be tempted to have an affair much less get extra income on the side - I know her well enough to know this better than anyone else that knows her probably. Another girl I sessioned with a few years back in Copa is now happily married in Europe and we keep in touch from time to time. She also has the life that she dreamt of. Her past is like a past life, not just something she did earlier in this one. Do most mongers carry on mongering when they get a relationship? Probably most do. But not all. The same with working women from Brazil. As someone else pointed, they are not lifestyle-inducted the way a U.S. ho would be. Usually when they move abroad they move mentality. Having said all this, let me repeat the warnings - it is exceedingly dangerous to assume your girl is 'special.' The only way you get a permanent relationship without her straying is to leave no room for error. Brazilian girls' acting skills (ho's and non-ho's) are second to *none.* If you think you can see thru them you are probably kidding yourself. There again, women of good intelligence (with or without good education) have sometimes learnt a lot from their working experiences in how to relate, how to handle human nature, how to keep their sanity in the face of normal relationship tensions. One of the shocks for me has been that not all mongers are the same. And not all ho's are the same. But it is best to assume they are until you have cast-iron knowledge that they're not!

You might also ask, if it is the pre- full-on-relationship phase, why you should care?? I had a girl who was an awful performer as a ho. She was keen to enter a relationship and made a point of insisting she pay her way. She was also upfront about working when she needed the cash. She turned out to be great in bed when she wasn't working. Why on earth should I feel jealous of the guys who paid for a lousy deal?

So the views expressed recently don't need to be read as opposite. Just don't assume the chef is giving you the best steak when you really don't have any way of knowing the difference. And to assume a girl does not carry on working when you leave her alone in Brazil is not even wishful thinking IMO - it is an indication of a deluded mind.

[Hobbying]

I think this is going off topic.

My situation is meeting a woman who might have been a pro in the past.

What do you do to find out and if she is what to do then?

[Czar12]

Mr. E are we in help/ terma looking for a mate? Some of us are coming from sex prison and are happy at the first girl who swallows’ the load, cooks, cleans and has sex with us all night. They get caught up in the whole GFE thing. In a mate I would have to agree with you that is why we are to go out and meet nice women and get to know them by watching their actions and family, and friends. Ask about job status, education, children, and marital status. Most ho’s are friends with other ho’s… A lot of women can keep the past behind them. It would surprise us by how many were stripers or hookers in the past. Once a ho always a ho.

I would have to agree that you can not make a hoe into a housewife. Is it possible that one can stop? Yes for a period of time or until they have a need, be it financial, emotional or they have that special friend I have been with plenty of women in the US and around the world that claims that they are only doing this temporary. Some do it because they enjoy sex. I know of some doctors, lawyers, policewomen and housewives that are either former working girls or just plain sluts. I always ask this question of people who say that their girl is cheating on them, when she cheated with them when she was married before. I my self do not do the marriage thing because how can I fault wanting variety in my life. I agree I can not fault a women who sleeps with plenty of men when I have had plenty of women.

This is not just working girls that are hoes plenty of college girls sleep with their professors or others to make the grade. How many women out there have plenty of skeletons in the closet? The blow job during spring break, or to get out of a ticket or when they needed some bills paid and had a sugar daddy (He says you can have what ever u like) This is a world wide thing. Look at Hilary Clinton?? Bill banged everything in sight and she stayed around for her payday.. It seems to me we all want to come to Rio, or Thailand or other country and save the little women from her life of misery because she told us how bad it is back home. It is true that it is bad back home when you are getting a payday from the European or gringo and you have a husband back home. Let’s be wise ride the ride and move on.. I always take this motto “If she wants to go it is just one less meal I have to pay for” and remember that at the stroke of midnight some pretty women just turned 18.

Just my 2 cevantos

Thank you for posting this I hope those reading understood what was written.

[Acenva]

Hey watch it. My girlfriend in Brazil is a lawyer. And at R1200/month I'm sure she makes much less than the GDPs you have so much respect for.
But I mean ethically/logically you wouldn't go to the local ho spot in your town, fuck some chick, give her money, make friends with her then want to marry her. Obviously this theory isn't carrying over into doing the same thing in other venues/locals/countries. It seems guys are getting caught up in the Pretty Woman syndrome when they venture away from their home turf.

Then too, you can look at is as the pot calling the kettle black. Hey I'm fucking all of these chicks. Should I really hold it against her if she fucks a lot of guys?

Different strokes for different folks? I gotta go with JohnnyBraz on this one though. The GFE through acting skills is what I think gets guys caught up in this. Without a GFE it is just sex. And I don't think many mongers would consider a relationship with a chick after hello, fuck, goodbye. Many places don't offer the GFE that Rio does. That is one thing that keeps us coming back.

As for me, I ALWAYS look at a woman's education as one of the first things to consider when I am choosing a mate. I have a master's degree. I wouldn't even think about having a girlfriend or wife who dropped out of school when she was 12 years old period.

Mr. E are we in help/ terma looking for a mate? Some of us are coming from sex prison and are happy at the first girl who swallows’ the load, cooks, cleans and has sex with us all night. They get caught up in the whole GFE thing. In a mate I would have to agree with you that is why we are to go out and meet nice women and get to know them by watching their actions and family, and friends. Ask about job status, education, children, and marital status. Most ho’s are friends with other ho’s… A lot of women can keep the past behind them. It would surprise us by how many were stripers or hookers in the past. Once a ho always a ho.

I would have to agree that you can not make a hoe into a housewife. Is it possible that one can stop? Yes for a period of time or until they have a need, be it financial, emotional or they have that special friend I have been with plenty of women in the US and around the world that claims that they are only doing this temporary. Some do it because they enjoy sex. I know of some doctors, lawyers, policewomen and housewives that are either former working girls or just plain sluts. I always ask this question of people who say that their girl is cheating on them, when she cheated with them when she was married before. I my self do not do the marriage thing because how can I fault wanting variety in my life. I agree I can not fault a women who sleeps with plenty of men when I have had plenty of women.

This is not just working girls that are hoes plenty of college girls sleep with their professors or others to make the grade. How many women out there have plenty of skeletons in the closet? The blow job during spring break, or to get out of a ticket or when they needed some bills paid and had a sugar daddy (He says you can have what ever u like) This is a world wide thing. Look at Hilary Clinton?? Bill banged everything in sight and she stayed around for her payday.. It seems to me we all want to come to Rio, or Thailand or other country and save the little women from her life of misery because she told us how bad it is back home. It is true that it is bad back home when you are getting a payday from the European or gringo and you have a husband back home. Let’s be wise ride the ride and move on.. I always take this motto “If she wants to go it is just one less meal I have to pay for” and remember that at the stroke of midnight some pretty women just turned 18.

Just my 2 cevantos

[Ee2002]

On the other hand the same could be said about us. Do you honestly think that any of us would not either monger on the side or revert to this when the going gets tough in the relationship. This is like the pot calling the kettle black. A majority of us are jaded as far as relationships are concerned and would not make a good mate anymore than these ho's.

Not that I'm defending these women just pointing out the other side of the coin. Hell if you can get past the turning a ho into a housewife bit and except her for what she is and vice versa it might be a match made in heaven, LOL!!!!!!!

[Exec Talent]

Perkele:

Agree with you 1,000%. Thanks for saving me the time to type.

This is the heart of the matter why hoes will never make good house wives: they know that there back-up plan is usually as good as option one. Therefore, they are less inclined to work things out.

A backup plan of financial self-sufficiency is not such a bad idea. Maybe it would be better if she was just kept barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

[Mr Enternational]

Candidly, I have a lot more respect for GDPs in Rio than I do for lawyers, company milking executives and Wall Street’s greedy market manipulators.

Hey watch it. My girlfriend in Brazil is a lawyer. And at R1200/month I'm sure she makes much less than the GDPs you have so much respect for.
But I mean ethically/logically you wouldn't go to the local ho spot in your town, fuck some chick, give her money, make friends with her then want to marry her. Obviously this theory isn't carrying over into doing the same thing in other venues/locals/countries. It seems guys are getting caught up in the Pretty Woman syndrome when they venture away from their home turf.

Then too, you can look at is as the pot calling the kettle black. Hey I'm fucking all of these chicks. Should I really hold it against her if she fucks a lot of guys?

Different strokes for different folks? I gotta go with JohnnyBraz on this one though. The GFE through acting skills is what I think gets guys caught up in this. Without a GFE it is just sex. And I don't think many mongers would consider a relationship with a chick after hello, fuck, goodbye. Many places don't offer the GFE that Rio does. That is one thing that keeps us coming back.

As for me, I ALWAYS look at a woman's education as one of the first things to consider when I am choosing a mate. I have a master's degree. I wouldn't even think about having a girlfriend or wife who dropped out of school when she was 12 years old period.

[Dwilso39]

Carlos.

I'm happy for you, but WHY settle for a prostitute as a girlfriend when one can find women who never event thought of selling ass?

I have nothing against ho's, but a ho doesn't make a good wife. That is a well known fact.

I'm sure that great majority won't agree with me, but in my books there are no such things as SEMIpro or part time ho's or onetimers. For me if a woman SELLS ass even once, she is a prostitute. Why you may ask and I will respond.
As we all know that relationships has its ups and downs. All relationships are great when everything is fine etc. BUT when the downs come and believe me they will come a normal woman will fight with you and curse and so on, but that's it. A HO will do all the above and on top of that she has the CAPABILITY to SELL her ass. This is significant difference. A ho (or ex ho as many of you may like to call some of them) can even justify an affair to herself (and even to you) by CHARGING money from the guy she's fucking. You know the drill, she asks money for some crap you don't find necessary, she really wants it and since you do not provide, she'll sell her ass. Problem solved.

May I remind that I do not judge ho's, I find them very useful. But they do not make good girlfriends/wives.

P

Perkele:

Agree with you 1,000%. Thanks for saving me the time to type.

This is the heart of the matter why hoes will never make good house wives: they know that there back-up plan is usually as good as option one. Therefore, they are less inclined to work things out.

[JohnnyBraz]

I know of ho's that fit the archetype described by Perkele only too well, but I also personally know girls from a poor area who have made (and still are) good and faithful wives after some programma work to get themselves set up before getting married.

Ho's are just very good actors. The copa girls aim is to get as many dumb gringoes who send them as much money as possible. 4 dumb gringoes 1000r per week each. 4000r per week income. Them girls will go to help weekends to find more dumb suckers. That is all they know. You would be suprised at how many off them have a child by a american or european, got an apartment bought for them by the kids dad, there parents look after there kid and they are working help. They all claim they are studying at uni. I would say that one in 3 *****s at help are recieving over 1000r per week in alimony from some sucker.

[D Cups]

There is no such a thing as a ex-pro.

What is wrong with you guys? Once a ho always a ho.

Well if you want to spend rest of your life wondering.....

There is SO MANY women in Brasil who wouldn't sell ass for any reason.....

Here is the deal, ho's are for a fuck. Normal women... for relationships...

Just my 2 centavos (again).

C'mon guys, you pay for it no matter if she's hookin or marries you, so stop kidding yourselves! Are you getting what you paid for? Now that is a good question for all men of the world!

[Jan 156]

I know of ho's that fit the archetype described by Perkele only too well, but I also personally know girls from a poor area who have made (and still are) good and faithful wives after some programma work to get themselves set up before getting married.

[Exec Talent]

May I remind that I do not judge ho's, I find them very useful. But they do not make good girlfriends/wives.
P

Over the years this topic comes up repeatedly. I wonder what guys (fortunately, I am not one of them) who have had loveless, sexless marriages and ended up giving half their assets to a "good wife" think.

Many women who are prostitutes see what they do as the only means they have of ever obtaining economic freedom and not having to be dependent on a man. They have witnessed their father abandon their mother, same with their sister’s husbands, same with their friends. They themselves may have been promised the world by a gringo only to find out he is married in his home country.

If you grew up wealthy in a country which provides women economic opportunities, it might be difficult to understand how someone could sell their bodies for money. However, if you grew up poor, you might be a little more empathetic. Candidly, I have a lot more respect for GDPs in Rio than I do for lawyers, company milking executives and Wall Street’s greedy market manipulators.