2006 - Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok

[Giotto]

I am leaving for Germany now. Back in Bangkok on 28.12.2006

Merry Christmas to everybody, and thanks for all your support for Livingstone's Lodge and this forum.




Giotto

[Yi Ren]

<...> I thought things were under control but they are not.
Giotto (Drama Queen)

Giotto,

Traveling outside of Thailand for more than a month now, I have been out of the loop, but upon my return, when I open up ISG to get updated, what is this??

I am truly saddened to hear of the recent vile acts perpetrated by a miscreant. I have no words to describe such despicable behavior.

-Y

[Gaienmae]

Gaienmae,

When you come back to Thailand? Please - do not hesitate to come over here to reconfigure the Lobby workstation.

Appreciated!

Giotto

The plan is January, but the plan is alas very tentative right now :-(.

(Though if the BoT had executed their Bonkers Baht Devaluation Plan more professionally I'd be over there like a shot ;-).

[SexWithSmile]

Sorry if I sound preposterous, but…

I think women are better than men in manipulating us by expressing some emotional feelings in order to achieve their objectives.

And women can do that instinctively. Ourselves usually try to devise a plan: our objective, and how to interact with our partner in order to achieve them. We all believe we shall keep everything under control.

Then we find out that women have another objective, and are instinctively acting in a way which ruins in a snap of time all our well-designed rational plan. Then, we poor bastards are left with no way to react except our own emotions, where we can't compete with women.

The only way I have found to solve this problem is never staying more than 2 months in the same country. The other way is to leave aside all our feelings and live day by day..... but many women are much more patient than us in investing time and energy in their revenge to "make us pay".

So in such cases, I suggest to react as well irrationally, to surprise the women. For instance, go for one month to a monastery to "redempt ourselves".

[Thor93]

Good - or may be not good.

Serious developments now, a bit late and unexpectedly, but definitely happening. Mrs. Giotto takes the Mia Noi story seriously.

I thought things were under control but they are not.


Giotto (Drama Queen)

Thai women do tend to take a long time to forgive and forget. My TGF is still upset about my indiscretions (or at least the ones she knows about). The jealousy and anger just keeps boiling up although inbetween things are great. And this is after I took her to Kuala Lumpur for a week, Krabi for a week, bought her a new laptop, and a new necklace. P4P really is cheaper.

I sympathize with your problems. Sounds though like it might be a bad time to go home to Deutschland, especially if she isn't going with you.

[Giotto]

Good - or may be not good.

Serious developments now, a bit late and unexpectedly, but definitely happening. Mrs. Giotto takes the Mia Noi story seriously.

I thought things were under control but they are not.


Giotto (Drama Queen)

[SexWithSmile]

The evening started badly while visiting Cowboy (Shark and Cowboy 1): whereever I sat, some quite unperfect ladies came to bother me - I hate the leeches of Cowboy... To get rid of the one who could speak good English and looked like my auntie, I started to engage her on a nicely perveses conversation, culmulating with: "have you done sexual phantasies: my best experience has been stuffing one girl in the a..e while her girlfriend stuffed a vibrator in her pussy and kissed her tits". She was laughing and suggested to go with her friend which looked OK, although not to expect that kind of ride - I guess it would have been the classic "me wait in bathroom while you finish my friend", so I obligely declined. The other leech was a very ugly little girl always staring at me, uuffff I had to ignore her long time before she decided to leave.

After that frustration I went back to the Livingstone and checked out the "girl next door" - Bacchus Bar - who defaulted on me last night because she had to take care of her innocent friend who was scared of my night drinking companion from G. place (Who was he again?).

This time I made sure she was free, a quick dinner at Basilic, she enjoyed the room double jaccuzi, and kept asking for some good oral sex. She is actually very good in English, and keeps repeating "oh dear" "oh dear" during the night.

So Mr G, I did not have to wait until Tuesday or Wednesday ;-)

[Giotto]

...
If the PC is only used for simple web-browsing and the like, your best low-maintanence option is to install some form of Linux on it. Unfortunately I'm in farangland (more precisely: im Farangland) at the moment, otherwise I'd offer my services (in exchange for a beer or two) right away.

Gaienmae,

When you come back to Thailand? Please - do not hesitate to come over here to reconfigure the Lobby workstation.

Appreciated!


Giotto

[Giotto]

I posted a report about a certain bargirl within my first couple of days of staying. ...

Bumhead111,

I somehow don't have a complete picture about what happened to you. I tried to PM, but you do not allow PMs. Can you please give me some details what has happened, and may be the name of the girl, either here in the thread or to the Livingstones E-Mail address.

Thanks.


Giotto

[Nagy Idegen]

hello giotto, hello livingstone lodge guests,

i have been folowing with great interest the vaioys reports posted on the section of the forum. a lot of the information is indeed new to me and wouyld have done me a world of good when i was in bangkok nearly 2 years ago [i had a very traumatic experience, more on this in a later post].

i would simply like to highlight what giotto wrote in his long post concerning the stupendous stupidity of those "exceptions". before that though i would like to state that my thoughts go out to him and his couple. it took me months, if not more, for things to settle down after my trip and while the circumstances are different the basic issues are pretty much the same. it's tough.

giotto, you write about thai logic, and i hope that those reading the posts got it. really. it's all very nice to try to bolster the quality control procedures of other owners, but it's not far from criminal to give explicit leads leading back to you. unglaublich ! what one earth do these guys think? even in europe you could get your face smashed because of this kind of stuff (ok, probably dpeends on the exact country, but still).

i am very sad that your generosity has lead to this nightmarish situation. i for one are very grateful to you and may well have the chance to say so to you in person around mid-february.

in the meantime, i hope your words of advice will not go unheaded.

bis bald!

[Giotto]

It took me some time to find out about Renoir.

If I hadn't realized after 20 minutes, I would have sucked that well-placed peanut for at least half an hour.

And now I go to bed happily alone...

Mr. Sex-and-Smile Controller,

Don't worry, you are not the first Livingstone's customer who tried to convince my Mia Noi to sleep on the other side of the road ... . I am quite sure, that she will do one day, BUT NOT IN YOUR ROOM!

Bestard!



Giotto

[Thor93]

All,

As long as I assure Mrs. Giotto that the world is ok and she will be my first life, that nothing will change between me and her, she will not have a major problem with my Mia Noi (second wife). This is nothing unusual here in Thailand, and can be officially implemented.
Giotto

Having just gone through something somewhat similar during my reconciliation with my TGF, I can understand the sensitivities involved. But I think that Thai women understand men much better than their western counterparts. And I think they are willing to forgive our trangressions much more. The key thing as you say, that she knows she is your first life. As long as that is clear and you never throw it in her face, things will always work out.

As for the creep that pulled this stunt, I just hope that Giotto follows my favorite philosophy that revenge is best served cold. And I do think some revenge is in order at some point.

ISG participation does pose some danger though, especially when you have a TGF or a wife or significant other that knows computers. I know my TGF has done searchs for me with my Hotmail address name I use with her. Luckily she doesn't know about this site directly or the profile name I use here. As Giotto can testify, I unfortunately had to be rude to another ISG member when I was there with her and he started to talk about ISG and ask my profile name in front of the TGF. We had to cut that conversation off quickly and for that I apologize.

Years ago members of my family got into my email and saw things they shouldn't have. Unless you are 100% free and clear, you best never look at this site on a computer that someone else is likely to use. Unless you really know how to clean your tracks each and every time, it is just too easy for a suspicious wife or gf who knows a bit about computers to figure things out. I know I would have a really hard time trying to explain my posts to my TGF.

I like the Lodge but I have a problem staying there now because of the TGF. One issue is she doesn't feel comfortable knowing I was there without her and was with some of the girls there. I can work around that issue, but the bigger issue is that ISG members there are just too open about talking about ISG and related issues. Plus they see you with a Thai girl and the automatic assumption is that the girl you are with is a P4P working girl. And anyone that knows non-working thai girls knows that is absolutely the worst thing you could do. While they may be very knowledgeble about what goes on and quite tolerant of it, they do not want anyone thinking that is what they are. And unfortunately for me that is the impression my TGF got while there. It is sort of like the Lounge and the Lodge are free fire zones where you can say and do things that would not be accepted in a normal hotel or lounge.

I think the thing that really did it was one well known but unnamed member asking me in front of her, where I found her. An innocent question but the implication was there and it took some serious effort to calm her down in the room. If I was there with a Western women, I doubt if the question would have been asked in quite the same way with the same result.

[Giotto]

...I agree with you and 1Ball - it's not the end of your relationship with Mrs. G. Most women already know if their man has been playing (but they still don't like it to be proven to them).
...

All,

I did not write the report to create any worries about Mrs. Giottos and my private life. All that is OK in the moment, even if you might not understand that. I basically wrote the report to get rid of some aggressions and point out that there are some strange guys out there.

As long as I assure Mrs. Giotto that the world is ok and she will be my first wife, that nothing will change between me and her, she will not have a major problem with my Mia Noi (second wife). This is nothing unusual here in Thailand, and can be officially implemented. First and second wife can even know each other - there should not be major tensions at all. It is just a question how all participants deal with that situation, and a question of time to get used to all that.

The only problem that I don't use this chance to officially implement a second wife is that I have to leave for Germany in 3 days, and that it is diffucult then to control the emotional situation. So I will wait to do that until I come back from Germany.

It will be an interesting time then.

Please, don't worry about Mrs. Giotto and me, we are fine, she slept in my arms last night, as usual.

Thanks for all your support.


Giotto

[Giotto]

I can only add my comments to what's been said already. Your hospitality is second to none; you made a point of looking me up on my last night in the Lodge and I can honestly say it was the best night of my entire trip to Thailand. (I'm still recovering!) How awful that someone's abused that hospitality in such a way. :-(
...

Member #3160,

Thanks for your support, and good to hear that we finally successfully dealt with the problems you had here in the beginning...

BTW: What was with this last night in Bangkok, when we went out , I am still waiting for your report! Come on man, let us know!


Giotto

[Giotto]

Sorry that happen to you G, I hope you dont stop posting , maybe its time you made up an another handle name that no one knows and post from there when its about massage places and girls.

Nuff Said,

No, not another handle, that's not my style. I will go ahead as long as this is possible, this is my real life I am writing about. And it doesn't make any sense to close the eyes and wish it were different.

I am quite happy as it is.


Giotto