Rookie's Questions about Bangkok

[Mackin]

I love your destinations. I to have made the same trip you are taking. Over a couple of years though. I even stayed in the hotels you are staying at, except for Pattaya. You made some good choices. LL is great in my opinion and good advise is to be had. Raming lodge is right in the middle of things and a good hotel. Yorkshire inn is also great location and the place is nice. Good pool area if you like that. Restaurant food is also good at the yorkshire. Food is also good at LL.

Annies is a must and soi cowbot also. I don't care for Nana, but each to his own. SOL in patpong is something to be hold if your are in the mood for a BJ. Mango, snow White, Akane and others on soi 33 are places you definately need to trey out. I personally had good service at Annies and Mango. This was a year ago.

In Raming lodge go nest door to right when you walk out front. Just a couple of store over is an italian restaurant. The owner is Italian who is married to a Thail. He knows how to cook.

You will have to let us know about penthouse. I stayed at a flipper group hotel and was satisfied. I think I was on soi 7, maybe 8.

Anyway I envy you and hope to hear about your adventures.

[BionicMan]

Hi all.

First of all my thanks to all ISG contributors who have written about their experiences and the invaluable information provided. I have lurked in the forums on an occasional basis for some time & due to a recent change in circumstances have finally been offered the opportunity to come & see for myself what it's all about.

Ian C

Good choice in staying at LL, honestly.

I recently booked a room for a "daylight" stay in between connecting flight arriving at dawn and departing at very late pm. Reasonable price, you rest, you have the pool, you have breakfast, you have an incall and take your time, time flows easily like being at home.

So it is good even for a very long ST! (not meaning to quote LL as a ST hotel! Or the Burgmeister will raise an eyebrowse!

I have experienced Annie's and my choice still stay as it is a decent place. The girls can vary but I think it is the same at other places too. Haerd that even the (in) famous Eden is not as before and there is no more the 100% gaurantee to hook up with the perfect couple.

Changing girls is the strategy and keeping the same palce at least helps in having a firm point and consistency.

Good luck and for Songkran do not bother on quick dry clothing: you'll be wet at all times. Not worth thinking too much.

Just take a shower when back in the room and then you will be drier!

Just mind your valuabes (cellular phone, camera and wallet) and keep the in a sealed plastic bag, wrapped by a small carrier bag.

I'll be at LL the same days as you. So might bump into each other

[Ian666]

Hi all.

First of all my thanks to all ISG contributors who have written about their experiences and the invaluable information provided. I have lurked in the forums on an occasional basis for some time & due to a recent change in circumstances have finally been offered the opportunity to come & see for myself what it's all about.

I am visiting LOS for 3 weeks this April, both to do the touristy bits as well as try out some of the activities described by the forum contributors. I have planned a rough itinerary below & would welcome any comments, advice or suggestions that you may have:

10-13 April: Bangkok.

Staying at Livingston's Lodge (seems to be the best place to commence a potential mongering career!)

Late afternoon / evening plans include visit the Sports Bar, soapy massage (Annies / Tulip? Will hopefully get recommendations whilst at LL) , Beergarden, Soi Cowboy / Soi 33, Londoner pub (more for beer than girls) & possibly CM disco.

Daytime. Usual tourist sights of Rattanakosin etc plus any stand-out Songkran activities that I discover for the 13th. Also would like to get some suits made up & welcome any advice on a genuinely good tailor near LL?

14-16 April: Chiang Mai (apparently good place to see Songkran activities in full swing. Will be wearing quick drying clothes)

Staying at the Raming Lodge as good reviews on forum & central location. Having read forums feel these days likely to be used as recuperation after Bangkok although will be duty bound to checkout Loi Kroh bars in evenings as well as any FL scene in the non-girlie pubs & bars. Daytime temples, elephants, songkran nonsense & Doi Suthep.

17- 19 April: Pattaya.

Hotel tbc. Considering Penthouse Hotel as hopefully having rested a little in Chiang Mai will up for some unadulterated hardcore hedonism. Welcome fellow forum member's view on this hotel as have seen very mixed bag of reviews to date.

Activities. May go on the Flight of the gibbon day trip to zipwire over forests but otherwise will be trawling around Walking Street & beach road at night whilst recovering on the beach by day.

20. 28 April: Patong, Phuket.

Staying at the Yorkshire Hotel & Spa. Plan to do an Open diving Course & an evening sea canoe trip (both of which may curtail my nightime activities for a few days). However will check out some of the MPs and obviously bars / discos of Soi Bangla whenever I have the opportunity.

29 April: Bangkok.

Last day & night in LOS. Hotel tbc and may depend on what I feel like doing to crown what will hopefully have been a great trip. Very likely to be LL again if available!

Will post about my experiences as I go through this journey as I feel having learned so much from the forum in theory that it's only fair that I report how this information works out in practice for a complete novice!

Ian C

[Giotto]

Can the end user change the current motor on the z axis with somthing like a Nema23 Mounting 425 oz.in. Dual Shaft Stepper Motor to make a more versitale axis?

I can get that motor for about 50 bucks bye

Chepexpex,

Welcome to the board.

Great first post! The next one will be your last one (at least in this forum) if the quality does not improve.


Giotto

[Duniawala]

Can the end user change the current motor on the z axis with somthing like a Nema23 Mounting 425 oz.in. Dual Shaft Stepper Motor to make a more versitale axis?

I can get that motor for about 50 bucks bye

Uh, I assume you are building the Ultimate Fucking Machine, right?

[Terry Terrier]

Terry has his hard-nosed style and Ranger has his softer style. I am much more in the Ranger camp. I rarely discuss exactly what services I will get nor the price.

Agreeing a price is absolutely necessary for cheap charlies who may be surprised that the girl was expecting more. Soi 33 is not the cheapest end of town. "Market rate" is silly in my opinion as I don't believe all girls should get paid the same for crap or great service. And superior girls have the right to expect more.

Some of us a looking for a GFE where hopefully the girl is actually going to get horny and do things that she actually likes doing and lost some of her inhibitions.
Sometimes there are disappointments. But its usually due to the girl having no experience and not knowing how to fuck well. Sometimes you don't get a blowjob, but its no worse than getting a bad blowjob.
You could negotiate to check that the girl will do BBBJ, but it doesn't guarantee that she is able to keep her jaw open and do it well. So there is no point really.

With Terry, he probably gets certain services but has probably killed off any chance that the girl is going to have real "fun".

Ranger rarely (if ever) had a bad experience at LL. That's firstly because he is a hell of a nice guy and the girls obviously like him a lot. He probably chose well also.

My rule of thumb is to let the girl raise the topic of the price if she wants to and is comfortable talking about it.
If she doesn't I merely give the impression that I am not stingy.

I only need to raise the issue of how long she is going to stay and what time she needs to leave by.

The other problem is that while most girls will tell you if its their period, occassionally one won't, thinking that they can get away with stuffing a sponge up there (the mamasan told her it would be O.K.). I find I cannot have sex with girls that have shortened their pussy considerably and sponge rubbing friction causes condoms to break anyway, so this is a no go issue for me.

At most places there is a gossip chain. So probably all the girls will know how long I take for sex, how big my dick is, that I like to kiss and lick pussy, that I am "jai dee" (good hearted) etc. Once you become known, you would be surprised at exactly how well known you become.
This is not a help for newcomers, of course.

One problem for me at LL, is that the girls are a little scared of me and may have trouble considering me to be an ordinary customer due to apparent closeness to the big boss. They assume that Farangs will gossip as badly as Thais and that everything she does will be reported back to the boss which is of course an exaggeration.
I don't like to "bad mouth" the girls to the big boss, but may comment favourably if the girl gave me a good time.

Mamasans are virtually fair game for me to pick on though as they are mostly far too "pushy" for my preference. So I mainly just try to tolerate mamasans.

Soap fan, yikes! where do I even start with such a presumptive post?

.....I'll try: I like to get the business negotiations cleared at the outset so that they hopefully won't come back to haunt me later, and we can both (or even all three of us) get on with having a good time barhopping/clubbing/restauranting/fucking without worrying about negotiating at the end of all the fun. And I am most certainly not hard-faced with the working girls in any circumstances. Like I said, It's not rocket science, and whatever works is good for the individual. We can only offer personal advice.

.....Unless we are people like T1234 and we want to spam the forum for our hotelier mates.

T1234, You are commenting on my posts. Are you ignoring me or are you not?

[Ranger775]

Terry has his hard-nosed style and Ranger has his softer style. I am much more in the Ranger camp. I rarely discuss exactly what services I will get nor the price.

Agreeing a price is absolutely necessary for cheap charlies who may be surprised that the girl was expecting more. Soi 33 is not the cheapest end of town. "Market rate" is silly in my opinion as I don't believe all girls should get paid the same for crap or great service. And superior girls have the right to expect more.

Some of us a looking for a GFE where hopefully the girl is actually going to get horny and do things that she actually likes doing and lost some of her inhibitions.
Sometimes there are disappointments. But its usually due to the girl having no experience and not knowing how to fuck well. Sometimes you don't get a blowjob, but its no worse than getting a bad blowjob.

You could negotiate to check that the girl will do BBBJ, but it doesn't guarantee that she is able to keep her jaw open and do it well. So there is no point really.

With Terry, he probably gets certain services but has probably killed off any chance that the girl is going to have real "fun".

Ranger rarely (if ever) had a bad experience at LL. That's firstly because he is a hell of a nice guy and the girls obviously like him a lot. He probably chose well also.

My rule of thumb is to let the girl raise the topic of the price if she wants to and is comfortable talking about it.

If she doesn't I merely give the impression that I am not stingy.

I only need to raise the issue of how long she is going to stay and what time she needs to leave by.

At most places there is a gossip chain. So probably all the girls will know how long I take for sex, how big my dick is, that I like to kiss and lick pussy, that I am "jai dee" (good hearted) etc. Once you become known, you would be surprised at exactly how well known you become.

This is not a help for newcomers, of course.

Soap Fan,

Thanks for the kind remarks. I suspect Terry does all right in his experiences just a little different style based upon experience (which he has more than me so may in fact be the one that works).

But other than that I concur with your assessment. The only thing I would add is to ask everyone to remember that these are human beings you are talking about and I found, in my limited experiece, for the most part very decent and nice girls who by circumstances find themselves in the situation they are in.

I found this particularly true in Thailand. Granted, you will find a certain percentage of girls who, as soom guys here view the girls, as nothing more than a commodity. But for the most part I have found most of the girls to be decent and good hearted girls.

In the few times in which the girl has raised the issue of price, most don't, I hope sensing that I am not going to rip them off, I generally found that they rarely ask a rip off price. If they do I immediately break off contact. If they ask a high end price then I do note that I am aware of the price and for that I expect great service and two things (remember they raised the issue not me).

Which comes to the issue of expectations. In the course of conversations (not negotiations) with the girls I let it be known that I want two things. Kissing and lots of cuddlling. Everything thing else happens by mutual desire. I have yet to be disappoiinted, indeed most girls laugh and readily agree to such onerous demands. Just one example, I met a sweetie in Thailand and when she came out of the shower she said she was sorry because she did not give massage because she did not know how. My response was to tell her that I did not recall asking her for a massage and that I would accept a nice kiss in lieu of a massage.

In short, I try to treat the girls as I would any girlfriend (and believe me I have had some girlfriends were not very good in bed). I let everything proceed as it would if we had been dating and this was our first time having sex (which is always one of the best times but unfortunately only happens once with each girl).

The final thing I will add about price is that rarely will you find an extraordinary difference, maybe a 1000-1500 baht, between your low end and what the girl may want. I fortnately am in a pretty comfortable position, not rich mind you just comfortable (even despite the recent collapse of the financial markets haha), that I have no doubt that the girl needs the extra 1000 baht far more than I do. Maybe to pay her, rent, support her family etc. So just on humnitarian grounds I am happy to help (I actually had two experiences when on the girls said I paid them too much (for all you guys worrying about guys like me driving up the market don't worry it was just the high end of the accepted spectrum, they just expected a 1000 less).

Well, that is my two cents. Some will agree and many will probably not. But that is how I prefer to do business and I just throw this out as an alternative method based upon my limited experiences.

But for those who have not been to LL's I highly recommend it and made two long posts on Giotto's Forum regarding my experience there.

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[Traveler1234]

Terry has his hard-nosed style and Ranger has his softer style. I am much more in the Ranger camp.

Agreeing a price is absolutely necessary for cheap charlies who may be surprised that the girl was expecting more. Soi 33 is not the cheapest end of town.

We've never had the pleasure of crossing paths but I couldn't agree more with your comments. Soi 33 is definitely not for bargain hunters. And going through a "checklist of X services for Y fee" definitely kills it for me - although if what you ultimately pay is way below 'expectations, be ready for trouble.

With Terry, he probably gets certain services but has probably killed off any chance that the girl is going to have real "fun".

I suspect neither party really has fun...

At most places there is a gossip chain. So probably all the girls will know how long I take for sex, how big my dick is, that I like to kiss and lick pussy, that I am "jai dee" (good hearted) etc. Once you become known, you would be surprised at exactly how well known you become.
This is not a help for newcomers, of course.

Again well said. Sad but true. And if you 'tip well', you're even more popular

[M P Lurker]

Well.....there's something of a contradiction here, then. How do you have any indication that you will "get what you pay for" if you never established a starting price? All I'm suggesting is that there's a basic set of guidelines that work quite well. To elaborate: Agree a price, or make the girl aware of the fact that you know the market rate for this particular scenario; then it's up to you how you interpret and how much you pay for the rest of the deal. But, at the end of the day, it's what works for you, what you are comfotable with. If your way works for you, stick with it (don't fix it if it isn't broken, etc ).

T1234, Glad to be of assistance with your ROLFMAO/ROFLMAO problem. Keep on reading, you know it makes sense .

Terry has his hard-nosed style and Ranger has his softer style. I am much more in the Ranger camp. I rarely discuss exactly what services I will get nor the price.

Agreeing a price is absolutely necessary for cheap charlies who may be surprised that the girl was expecting more. Soi 33 is not the cheapest end of town. "Market rate" is silly in my opinion as I don't believe all girls should get paid the same for crap or great service. And superior girls have the right to expect more.

Some of us a looking for a GFE where hopefully the girl is actually going to get horny and do things that she actually likes doing and lost some of her inhibitions.
Sometimes there are disappointments. But its usually due to the girl having no experience and not knowing how to fuck well. Sometimes you don't get a blowjob, but its no worse than getting a bad blowjob.
You could negotiate to check that the girl will do BBBJ, but it doesn't guarantee that she is able to keep her jaw open and do it well. So there is no point really.

With Terry, he probably gets certain services but has probably killed off any chance that the girl is going to have real "fun".

Ranger rarely (if ever) had a bad experience at LL. That's firstly because he is a hell of a nice guy and the girls obviously like him a lot. He probably chose well also.

My rule of thumb is to let the girl raise the topic of the price if she wants to and is comfortable talking about it.
If she doesn't I merely give the impression that I am not stingy.

I only need to raise the issue of how long she is going to stay and what time she needs to leave by.

The other problem is that while most girls will tell you if its their period, occassionally one won't, thinking that they can get away with stuffing a sponge up there (the mamasan told her it would be O.K.). I find I cannot have sex with girls that have shortened their pussy considerably and sponge rubbing friction causes condoms to break anyway, so this is a no go issue for me.

At most places there is a gossip chain. So probably all the girls will know how long I take for sex, how big my dick is, that I like to kiss and lick pussy, that I am "jai dee" (good hearted) etc. Once you become known, you would be surprised at exactly how well known you become.
This is not a help for newcomers, of course.

One problem for me at LL, is that the girls are a little scared of me and may have trouble considering me to be an ordinary customer due to apparent closeness to the big boss. They assume that Farangs will gossip as badly as Thais and that everything she does will be reported back to the boss which is of course an exaggeration.
I don't like to "bad mouth" the girls to the big boss, but may comment favourably if the girl gave me a good time.

Mamasans are virtually fair game for me to pick on though as they are mostly far too "pushy" for my preference. So I mainly just try to tolerate mamasans.

[Slylock]

With this forum and the invaluable information provided by some of the senior members, I generally am able to ascertain the price range. If I have a great experience then I pay the high end of the spectrum, if I have a mediocre experience (which has never happened at LL) I pay the low end.

Hi Ranger775 and everyone else,

If someone is BF girls from LL why in the hell is anyone worried about the price?! LL is a fine run place but Soi 33 and LL is not the place to go bargin hunting. I like the way Ranger does it in this neighborhood. We of course do not want to over pay, but who can really set a price on a good mongering experience. I am sure you, like me, would happily give up all your past bad experiences, wipe them form existence and give the money to the one lady who performs well. Gives that great BBBJ and GFE etc. So this brings me to something one of our esteemed members said, who I can not remember. They say to the girl, if the service is poor this is the amount I will pay. If the service is good this is what I will pay. Then tell the girls what they want, IE BBBJ, CIM etc. This is almost like Ranger775's style. If your in some dive, or the Nana parking lot, I would suggest a lawyer with a contract and the fee parked in Escrow before you agree to anything, lol. So IMHO how you talk money and services is first up too you, and second where you are. Of course the are never any assurances.

Slylock

[Terry Terrier]

I never said I paid them up front (have been ripped off in my early mongering days to know not to do that). I said, I never discussed price with them.

With this forum and the invaluable information provided by some of the senior members, I generally am able to ascertain the price range. If I have a great experience then I pay the high end of the spectrum, if I have a mediocre experience (which has never happened at LL) I pay the low end.

I think haggling over a price distracts from the experience I am looking for. But then again, I am not lookng to see how cheap a piece of ass I can get. For those that have that agenda in mind, by all means negotiate.

Well.....there's something of a contradiction here, then. How do you have any indication that you will "get what you pay for" if you never established a starting price? All I'm suggesting is that there's a basic set of guidelines that work quite well. To elaborate: Agree a price, or make the girl aware of the fact that you know the market rate for this particular scenario; then it's up to you how you interpret and how much you pay for the rest of the deal. But, at the end of the day, it's what works for you, what you are comfotable with. If your way works for you, stick with it (don't fix it if it isn't broken, etc ).

T1234, Glad to be of assistance with your ROLFMAO/ROFLMAO problem. Keep on reading, you know it makes sense .

[Asian Travels]

Let me start by saying this: you are dealing with human beings so there isn't any standard per se, some girls like some things and others don't, some guys like to have pricing clear, others prefer to not discuss beforehands.

Just talk with the girl and see how things go.



BBBJ isn't automatically included, no, but CBJ (at least) is. Mind you, many P4P girls are lousy at it unfortunately.



ST is one pop indeed unless otherwise discussed. I like to have things clear from the start, and ask for ST of 2 hours and as much pops as I can squeeze in. Most girls accept since I offer adequate monetary compensation.
It's all about money.

What you said makes sense. Other places in Asia, and the Hell Club in Pattaya, make it quite clear what the menu is. The whole barfine thing is new to me, so I appreciate the tips.

[Ranger775]

If you pay upfront you may or may not get what you pay for. The general practice among clued-up farang punters is to pay for what you get.

I never said I paid them up front (have been ripped off in my early mongering days to know not to do that). I said, I never discussed price with them.

With this forum and the invaluable information provided by some of the senior members, I generally am able to ascertain the price range. If I have a great experience then I pay the high end of the spectrum, if I have a mediocre experience (which has never happened at LL) I pay the low end.

I think haggling over a price distracts from the experience I am looking for. But then again, I am not lookng to see how cheap a piece of ass I can get. For those that have that agenda in mind, by all means negotiate.

[NicFrenchy]

On the Bangkok forum some were suggesting it is necessary to negotiate everything before paying the BF. Is this really true/necessary?

Let me start by saying this: you are dealing with human beings so there isn't any standard per se, some girls like some things and others don't, some guys like to have pricing clear, others prefer to not discuss beforehands.

Just talk with the girl and see how things go.

I understand the "bum-bum" or picts might be non-standard, but isn't BBBJ automatically included with ST/LT?

BBBJ isn't automatically included, no, but CBJ (at least) is. Mind you, many P4P girls are lousy at it unfortunately.

Am I right in that ST is one pop and LT is 2 or more? And LT can go till 6am-10am depending on the girl?

ST is one pop indeed unless otherwise discussed. I like to have things clear from the start, and ask for ST of 2 hours and as much pops as I can squeeze in. Most girls accept since I offer adequate monetary compensation.
It's all about money.

[Asian Travels]

Been in Thailand for a while, but limited local action due to GF (Chinese, not TG) staying with me.

She's scheduled for work soon, so while I am on my own I'd like to sample some local talent.

On the Bangkok forum some were suggesting it is necessary to negotiate everything before paying the BF. Is this really true/necessary?

I understand the "bum-bum" or picts might be non-standard, but isn't BBBJ automatically included with ST/LT?

Am I right in that ST is one pop and LT is 2 or more? And LT can go till 6am-10am depending on the girl?

Since this is the Rookie page, it seemed this is the best place to ask.