FKK Golden Gate / old Villa Vertigo in Grefrath NRW

[Happy Fkk]

Hi, interesting post.

None of the club owner or manager will officially advise a pricing because this would be "Förderung der Prostitution" and the girls would be treated officially as employees. This would mean the club has to pay tax for the money the girls earn. That is impossible!

It's rather common that a club has a pricing policy. Pricing is a way to actract / filter poor or rich customers (and all possible levels between).

As a 'not rich' customer, I like to know a little what it will cost me AND what I will have, without asking thousand questions to each girl, a good way to start a bad trip for me.

Nevertheless one general pricing is common. € 50, 00 per half hour and between € 75, 00 and € 100, 00 per full hour. Kissing is an option but NO payable extra!

Ok, impossible but rather common. Since 2 years, I heard more and more girls who wants more and more money while also doing less and less. If there's no common pricing ans services, this is jungle, and you and girls will loose 'common' but fair customers.

As someone quoted on another forum. 50 per half hour is a base, and clearly not enough to avoid the shark attitude. So I would prefer 50 per around half hour for sex, blow job without condom, kissing, 69, gentle fingering. If the girl desagree, she has to explain her services and price: no kiss, 1 minute blow job, blow job with condom. But she has to know that for me it's a brain taking, unless it's good news: DFK, Deepthroat, anulingus, ass fingering, .

What is a mistake for me is that girls think they worth more than the old fees for 1 hour but still aggree for the old 50 euros per half (not really in fact, they tend to 50 per quarter, stopping the session with bad attitude if necessary). So the girl who will ask 80 / 50 instead of 50 / 25 will be more honnest. The first half hour she worth the same has others but on the second, difficult to explain, she worth twice than others.

I advise the girls at our reception to ask the guests if everything was ok, if problems are mentioned we have the option to work against.

Frankly, it's not easy to tell about bad session. The girls are in general more professionnal than us to contest and they 'often' know the staff and tips. And I don't tell you about shining rich custumers, ready to tell you 50, 100, 200 euros is nothing, and if it is you're a [CodeWord140] off. Charming atmosphere for 50 euros entry.

It is totally normal, that some girls try to make more money then others and this is not a problem of Villa Vertigo. Those girls move from one club to the next because after a short time none of the guest will go with them any longer.

Moving from club to club is a sign of bad / minimum services for me. But I admit that some guys like doll service: A girl is a hole, sometimes 2 holes or 3 holes, nothing else. It's not what I'm searching for. I understand it's 'easier' for girls to do nothing, but they avoid a lot of gentle and shy guys.

It is of course also possible to talk with the girls before about her pricing. If she asks € 100, 00 tell her all other girls do it for € 75, 00 and I am sure that she will agree to € 75, 00 also!

What I can see these last mounths is if a club has unclear policy, the girls can easely talk together (they are here every day) and decide the price of the club, and sometimes for each individual client. They tell me for example: we know you're rich, so 100 euros is nothing. Strange, I'm naked in the club, nothing shiny on me at all (I have nothing like that). So I only have an old Volkswagen, I finally pay 100 euros and a guy I met at the car park with a all new bentley pay 75 euros. Who are they to know who we are?

I would like to give here and now my very personal opinion and experience because I used to go in clubs 2-3 times per week before opening the Villa. What are € 50, 00 or € 100, 00 for full hour including BJ without condom and sex with condom? Additional most girls do kiss and do more. THIS IS NOTHING compared to the pricing in other countries! I have given every good girl after the room always a little more then they asked. And what happened next time?

Two things:

1- First thing I noticed is that money doesn't care for you. Let me tell you it's not common, if you can ear it. You can tell tell me this kind of clubs are only for 'rich people'. So, as you noticed, 50, 100 euros is not a lot. Probably enough to filter for very poor people, but is affordable for a lot of people. Personnaly, what I don't understand is why rich people are coming in such affordable places, not that people who can afford only 100 or 200 euros cares for what they will have. So accepts that your clubs is not an exclusive one, or change your common prices: at least 500 euros per half hour and yes it will start to be exclusive. But you and girls should remenber that these customers asks for the top, not service like 'dead girl' or crapy toilets.

2- 50 euros per hour in a comfortable place, with gentle customers is REALLY A BIG DEAL compared to what girls can have to do in other countries! Sometimes girls should be reminded this.

3- I add a third one. All the good girls earn by far more money than me so if someone is to be protected, it's me, as far as I'm respectfull.

When I entered the club next time all girls smiled at me and wanted to go in the room with me because this girls told all others that I gave her a tip! And the room itself. When it was good last time, this time it was outstanding!

I was doing it before (and poorly still a little bit), until the girls tend to ask the tip before the session in changing themseleves the price of the place.

Why should it be different in a saunaclub then with any other service? If you give a good tip in a restaurant you will get the best table and the best service at your next visit. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.

In restaurants I go, there's a menu with stable prices. I think official stable prices is an essential part of a best service. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.

The only thing I would like to ask the guests of Villa Vertigo: if something was not ok or correct, please tell the receptionist or ask for me. For sure we will solve all problems as good as possible. Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:

Stephan

I won't. I don't want a special care because I would be a 'friend' of the boss. I prefer have a good stay without fight, bad meetings and so on. My life is already plenty of.

Philippe.

Note: english is not my language. So maybe sometimes I am not understandable. I'm quite sure there's only clever gentlemen here, so welcome me.

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[Villa Vertigo]

Greeting everyone,

I would like to give some explanations here concerning the prices of the girls. All girls in Villa Vertigo and in all other clubs work on their own. None of the club owner or manager will officially advise a pricing because this would be "Förderung der Prostitution" and the girls would be treated officially as employees. This would mean the club has to pay tax for the money the girls earn. That is impossible!

Nevertheless one general pricing is common. € 50, 00 per half hour and between € 75, 00 and € 100, 00 per full hour. Kissing is an option but NO payable extra! Because of the fact that many good and beautiful girls prefer to work in clubs where they can charge € 100, 00 per full hours we offer them the option to choose between € 75, 00 and € 100, 00. But they must tell the guests BEFORE the room.

I advise the girls at our reception to ask the guests if everything was ok, if problems are mentioned we have the option to work against. It is totally normal, that some girls try to make more money then others and this is not a problem of Villa Vertigo. Those girls move from one club to the next because after a short time none of the guest will go with them any longer.

It is of course also possible to talk with the girls before about her pricing. If she asks € 100, 00 tell her all other girls do it for € 75, 00 and I am sure that she will agree to € 75, 00 also!

I would like to give here and now my very personal opinion and experience because I used to go in clubs 2-3 times per week before opening the Villa. What are € 50, 00 or € 100, 00 for full hour including BJ without condom and sex with condom? Additional most girls do kiss and do more. THIS IS NOTHING compared to the pricing in other countries! I have given every good girl after the room always a little more then they asked. And what happened next time?

When I entered the club next time all girls smiled at me and wanted to go in the room with me because this girls told all others that I gave her a tip! And the room itself. When it was good last time, this time it was outstanding!

Why should it be different in a saunaclub then with any other service? If you give a good tip in a restaurant you will get the best table and the best service at your next visit. But this is only my personal opinion and experience.

The only thing I would like to ask the guests of Villa Vertigo: if something was not ok or correct, please tell the receptionist or ask for me. For sure we will solve all problems as good as possible. Additional I appreciate an email and then I will take personally care of everything:

Stephan

[Marlow]

twice to Everest in the hour...you are lucky if a girl let's that happen usually the try everything to make sure its only once.
And without 'oxygen'..its a notable achievement!

[Marlow]

I'm glad we agree as there are those of more tender sensibilities who would take umbrage at the notion of tourists being ripped off. It happens in ordinary life so why not in a sex club. I mean., I wouldn't go to Mexico city for example without my pancho, stick-on moustache and Mexican deo!

I'm against living in a country and behaving like an ex-pat, first by not speaking the language and second failing to take part in their culture, grim as it can be in Germany, especially Carnival. Not for nothing are the Brits in Spain known as the local 'Pakis' (again please no letters if you are of Indian origin fellow mongers).

[Ortos]

Bujt Ortos you have ove a thousand reports to your name, you must know how it works?

Yes, Marlow: I know very well the rules and parameters of the FKK game. LOL! I really wasn't asking for a lecture in FKK basics 101. The themes you cover are too familiar to me already and I already have firm opinions on subjects like tipping and avoiding traps, many of which I've posted numerous times in rather boring diatibes that we enthusiasts tend to dish out like Moses dictating to the stone.

I was simply asking you for clarification of your comment in an earlier post, about whether you think guys who speak English in the FKKs are more likely to be hit by rip-off scams, which is something I've long known to be the case. So thanks for clearing that up in the first sentence. The rest is interesting reading indeed, if completely unsolicited, but thanks for your insight.

It is worth noting, however, that there are many men who speak English in German FKKs who are not "tourists" as you call them. Germany in general, D-dorf in particular, can be classed as places of international business and thus there is a large community of business and other types who inhabit the area and might be frequent customers to these clubs.

[Uhclem]

My reading of this board is that yes, girls do see timmy tourist coming and assume he is easy picking and start upping the ante, such as kissing is extra, waiting for a room is another 50 and so on. And as many don't know any better they happily open their wallets and say 'help yourself'.

The standard rate in an FKK clubs is 50 per half hour or however soon you climax. Therefore scamming you into an hour as you enter the room and then finishing you off within 20 minutes is in effect earning themselves double time. You are paying 100 for a half hour session.

You know when you buy an hour's worth of time, you're allowed to go twice (if you can). I usually go for the hour option and I always get my moneys worth. If I'm not sure about the girl, I'll wait until I'm into the sesson then extend my time if I like her.

[Marlow]

My reading of this board is that yes, girls do see timmy tourist coming and assume he is easy picking and start upping the ante, such as kissing is extra, waiting for a room is another 50 and so on. And as many don't know any better they happily open their wallets and say 'help yourself'.
The standard rate in an FKK clubs is 50 per half hour or however soon you climax. Therefore scamming you into an hour as you enter the room and then finishing you off within 20 minutes is in effect earning themselves double time. You are paying 100 for a half hour session.

There is no cheaper price than 50 for the half hour, even if that half hour last ten minutes.

If you are scammed into agreeing to an hour and oh dearie me, you come over all tumescent before even half an hour is up you can insist on stayin in the room for the full time you have paid for. What the two of you will do is up to you but getting another bang would be considered by her out of the question. Play canasta or something to pass the time.

My other impression is that there are those who like to flash the cash and doll out money. The name of the game is money but to me the onyl difference in service between Daddy Cash and Johnny Cool is that D C runs out of money sooner.

Italians are famed for being so entranced with German FKK clubs, so grateful that it is a fraction of what they have to shell out in Mama's home town for a bit of tail, that they throw money around and the girls love it. (Please no letters if you're Italian).

Bujt Ortos you have ove a thousand reports to your name, you must know how it works?

Yes, if you speak German say you live in Germany, then they will think twice about ripping you off, as none of them wants a bad report on a German website. By and large what do they care are about an English site - very little.

Tipping is a grey area. Germans do give girls drink money but we are taking maybe five or ten Euros. I never tip.

And frankly, all these forums whether English or German are proof enough if anyone needs it that men think with their dicks and switch the other one off. This is harsh but true, and the reason why TT gets taken for a ride.

Finally read my report on Alexandra in Finca. Now, this was a scam artist at work. I always check the time when I go into the room and this little vixen attempted to say that the half hour was up after twenty minutes. But as I always check my watch when they aren't looking (as they go through the door ahead of me) she thought I didn't know...well, the time of day if you like!

[Ortos]

If you are told the starting price is 100 and you accept, they are taking you for a mug. I had a similar experience at Finca but would have nothing of it and paid 50.

Again I am surprised at the equaminity that mongers here take to being ripped off in Germany, if that is the case. The natives don't stand for it and neither should we.

Just trying to get a clear idea of what you are saying: Are you saying that these rip-off girls target non-natives, ie. those who don't speak German, but would not try this pricing trick on local native-speaking Germans? Is that the correct reading...? If so this is an interesting point...Thus, if somebody could speak passable German or otherwise pass themselves off as a local, they would get quoted a lower price?

Thanks for the clarifications...

Ortos

Thanks

[Marlow]

It would appear that your first Romanian SP has got the Golden Time malaise and charging the €100 per hour tariff.

I take this to mean that you are being ripped-off? In other words you are told that a session costs 100 Euros and not a penny less? Otherwise 100 for an hour is indeed the going rate and you have no reason for calling it a malaise.

If you are told the starting price is 100 and you accept, they are taking you for a mug. I had a similar experience at Finca but would have nothing of it and paid 50.

Again I am surprised at the equaminity that mongers here take to being ripped off in Germany, if that is the case. The natives don't stand for it and neither should we.

[Rigoleto]

Rigoleto,

I am not claiming, I am saying so from first hand experience on more than one visit to Villa Vertigo that it is difficult to engage women at Villa Vertigo to arrange a sexual encounter.

I know I am not the most charming of guys or the most blessed in the looks department. So that might be it.

Well I am not also Brad Pitt

But I gess I am easy target, alone, face of good guy, looking at all girls as I was in heaven.

[Skristel]

Went to VV on Saturday 17th and had a superb time with a girl called Elaina, she said she was mixed race German and Turkish.

In the room she was very friendly, eager to please, sex was fantastic, lots of deep penetration, moaning and slow rthymn. Highly recommend!

[Basketcase]

I don't understan why people claim is difficult to have sex there I spent more of the time declining sex invitations. Althougt to be realistic there were 2 11 girls that they even not respond to my Hello, just ignored me I gess they hang with regulars only.

Rigoleto,

I am not claiming, I am saying so from first hand experience on more than one visit to Villa Vertigo that it is difficult to engage women at Villa Vertigo to arrange a sexual encounter.

I know I am not the most charming of guys or the most blessed in the looks department. So that might be it.

[Rigoleto]

I have been there last Thursday, arrived early and have one hour sesion with a German girl, Euros 75, then another nice sesion with a Romanian girl and finally one disater sesion with another Romanian girl which a should not have.

I don't understan why people claim is difficult to have sex there I spent more of the time declining sex invitations. Althougt to be realistic there were 2 11 girls that they even not respond to my Hello, just ignored me I gess they hang with regulars only.

By the way installation is by far the best I have visit in this week trip (GT, LR, GT) althought for girls GT is the winner soo far even I found most fiendly people at GT (dutch guys)

[Basketcase]

This day I had 2 sessions, both with rumanian girls. The first one I had for half an hour and I wanted to extend, but because she asked 50 for the second half hour, I declined.

The second girl, named Inez was really porn. Deepthroat sucking and a lot of fucking. I saw her the day after, and thought to myself. Man you must have been really drunk yesterday.

Hi John64,

I had not realised that the €50 per half hour had infiltrated Villa Vertigo. It would appear that your first Romanian SP has got the Golden Time malaise and charging the €100 per hour tariff. It is her prerogative. My only one hour session when I visited Villa Vertigo several times has been with Ramona (Romania) and it was €75 for one hour. I cannot recall any other SP bringing up the €100 per hour tariff.

If some SPs that I have heard have moved from Golden Time to Villa Vertigo like Scherin (Croatia) and at times Romina (Romania) are working there then yes they do charge €100 per hour to some customers.

With your second Romanian SP Inez, why was she on the first day really porn with deepthroat BBBJ and deep fucking and then on the second day you were regretting it? Did you have beer goggles on ( and realised that you had fucked a minger?

PS

Beer goggles = vision and judgment impaired by self induced alcohol consumption, generally associated with changed perception for the better when viewing women's attractiveness.

Minger = a not very attractive woman

[N O R E]

Yeah, it really is quite sad to hear these non-stop reports about the lack of action at VV. All things considered, Im glad I took a pass on this place last year and spent it at GT instead.

I was considering giving it a try this time around, but thanks to folks like BC taking one of for the team, I've crossed it off my list.