FKK Golden Gate / old Villa Vertigo in Grefrath NRW

[Basketcase]

I have also visited VV back in March at the suggestion of an Icebear friend. My experience was very similar to BCs and Iseeu. Some very good looking women but they had no interest in going to the room. The one I want especially interested in said she was tired.

In my case what made the stay worse was the foor was terrible. Good thing my hotel offered snacks in the bar.

Chukar,

One incident during my visits stood out. Nathalie is a Polish girl, slim, blond, blue eyed and perfect C cup breasts that are high and full shaped with legs that go on forever. She wore just a little skirt that hid nothing and went topless showing off her magnificent breasts. As John64 said, she was one of the hottest girls at Villa Vertigo and her pictures are on the Villa Vertigo blog - just look for Polish Nathalie. I noted that she was just sitting around doing nothing all morning and into the early afternoon. She spent 90% of her time playing on the poker machine in the old wing bar area.

I had had a session with dark haired Kinga (Poland) who the ijsberen recommend and yes she is alright. I then sat around moping with Kinga at the new wing's bar.

I said to Kinga, "there is a pretty blond girl that I had my eye on in the old wing".
Kinga said, "I know who you are talking about. She is really pretty. She is Polish. I know. She is like all the girls here are bored since there are no customers and nothing is happening. Go and ask her for a booking. You will be fine."
I thanked Kinga and walked off to the old wing to find the gorgeous blond of fantasy.

Strenghtened by Kinga's recommendation and confidence that it was a sure thing to get a booking with this dreamy long legged blond.

When Nathalie was NOT dutilfully propping up the poker machine and sitting on a couch, I went up to her and her other blond Polish friend and had a chat to introduce ourselves and then I asked Nathalie if she was free. Nathalie replied no she was not free. I was a bit stunned especially after Kinga's recommendation. Nathalie smirked and me and her Blond Polish friend just grinned at me. Nathalie and her blond Polish friend just sat on their couch and looked at me. So I said, "okay" and walked off.

I was crestfallen. I did not feel right the rest of the day. I am sensitive like that. I hated being in Villa Vertigo after that rejection. I had no issue with the club itself but somehow you associate the SP with the club and the experience. I moped even more while I was in the club trying to recover from the blow.

For the next 8 hours that I was in the club I did not see Nathalie take one single customer. She just sat in the old wing bar area playing on the poker machine ignoring all the men that were looking at her and probably desiring her but were acting too cool to approach her. Nathalie did not look at me at all or any other customers. It was like she was avoiding contact with anyone except her blond Polish girl friend who was no where as hot as Nathalie was.

I explained to the thekefrau when I left that my one critic was that Nathalie be a little more diplomatic. I commended to the Thekefrau Kinga (Poland) and Ramona (Romana) and blond Paula (Romania)

So John64, I had similar experiences to you.

[John64]

I have not been there for a long time, it was my first visit this year. I wanted to see if anything had changed since I was there (on opening day) and of course I was interested in the girls.

When I arrived around 1 pm there were about 5 cars on the parking, and when I entered the theke-frau still recognized me and asked me why I haven't been there for such a long time.

At the moment of my arrival I guess there were between 10 and 15 girls, most of them sitting in the smokers-area.

I had some breakfust, which was good but eggs and bacon. And started to check out the girls. I spotted 2 goodlooking girls. And tried to approach one very hot girl.

me: hi, do you speak english
she: no
me: bist du deutsche?
she: nein
me: woher komst du?
she: polen
me : und wie heist du?
she: Nathalie

Then she stood up and walked away. Damn. Because she was the hottest girl. You can see her pics on the VV-blog.

This day I had 2 sessions, both with rumanian girls. The first one I had for half an hour and I wanted to extend, but because she asked 50 for the second half hour, I declined.

The second girl, named Inez was really porn. Deepthroat sucking and a lot of fucking. I saw her the day after, and thought to myself. Man you must have been really drunk yesterday.

[Chukar]

I have also visited VV back in March at the suggestion of an Icebear friend. My experience was very similar to BCs and Iseeu. Some very good looking women but they had no interest in going to the room. The one I want especially interested in said she was tired.

In my case what made the stay worse was the foor was terrible. Good thing my hotel offered snacks in the bar.

[Basketcase]

I just could not get a handle on what was going on. It was just depressing. Those of you who have met me know that I like to let my hair down at these clubs, get relaxed, have a good time. Hard to do here. Other than the prowlers who don't take no for an answer, it was difficult to start up a conversation with any of the girls. Some of the SP are pretty and there was certainly a better selection than in my last visit. I like the facility, especially since they fixed the problem of the locker room area, but the split between the main house and the newer bar contact area makes it hard to get a clear picture of what's going on. It's less of an issue on warm days most of the action moves to the great outdoor deck/pool area. But once again, I saw very few couples going off to rooms, and of course there was no public action. It just seemed that there was no sex going on at this sex club. Won't be going back. There are just so many better options.

Iseeu,

I have made several visits to Villa Vertigo this year throughout the European summer and the place just does not do it for me. Like you I found it incredibly hard to make contact with a SP. To attract a SP that you have your eye on you would wink, smile, move close to where she sits and then eventually frustrated go up to her and stand in her face and ask her can I join you and she still does not react. At other clubs you have the girls practically fucking you on the couch but here the SP just do not want to work it seems. I did not come across any SP that would not leave you alone.

VV is like a sex club or brothel where no sex happens. Girls just sat around looking bored. The punters also sat or stood around looking bored too. There was the voloume of girls and quality of girl looks and facilities to make this a viable option for punters on the NRW route but somehow it was not working.

I ended up reading my book in the new wing bar area, taking saunas, and then fell asleep on a couch. The blond thekefrau was nice enough to ask me if I slept well when I woke up eventually.

The food spread was really good though. It was a civilised buffet affair which you ate at leisure. There was food available throughout the evening. So in that respect it gets points over Golden Time that runs out of food and so creates a scrum for when the food is served.

The spa baths in the middle of the new wing bar lounge area still makes me laugh. They have to be filled up for each use and then drained when the punter gets out. What a waste of water.

Also found a number of SP did not perform BBBJ but CBJ so that really puts a downer on the services. I really like my BBBJ and demand it now when asked if I would like CBJ or BBBJ.

Similar to you Iseeu, I like the Villa Vertigo facilties and I wish that they had a Kino still which would increase the score and if they fixed the spa bath situation but it is off the visit list for me too, for now.

[Capt Dan]

Thanks for the update Iseeu. Your report along with what Basketcase has to say suggest that VV is a place to definitely miss! I certainly will be giving VV a wide berth anyway!

CD

Continued from the GT thread

I made a detour on my way from Holland to NRW in June after VV began getting more positive reports here. It was my first time back since my premiere visit the previous year, shortly after they opened, when I vowed not to go back until the reports became more positive.
I just could not get a handle on what was going on. It was just depressing. Those of you who have met me know that I like to let my hair down at these clubs, get relaxed, have a good time. Hard to do here. Other than the prowlers who don't take no for an answer, it was difficult to start up a conversation with any of the girls.
Some of the SP are pretty and there was certainly a better selection than in my last visit. I like the facility, especially since they fixed the problem of the locker room area, but the split between the main house and the newer bar contact area makes it hard to get a clear picture of what's going on. It's less of an issue on warm days most of the action moves to the great outdoor deck/pool area.
But once again, I saw very few couples going off to rooms, and of course there was no public action. It just seemed that there was no sex going on at this sex club. I found a pretty petite blonde Lithuanian whose smile captivated me, but the session was dispirited and more like just going through the motions for the both of us.
Won't be going back. There are just so many better options.

[Iseeu]

Continued from the GT thread

The comments from 2008 about Villa Vertigo being a club where no sex happens still tend to hold true. Maybe for me, this is the case. I could easily walk out of villa Vertigo not having booked a single lady, but in the end I did just to ensure it was not a wasted visit. On a Tuesday, Villa Vertigo had over 30 women working and at opening at 11:00 there were a dozen women already there. Yes, the girls were pretty, yes, they were available, but somehow they were not available. I could not work it out. Maybe they were waiting for their stammgast. But it just did not seem to be happening. I actually gave feedback to the thekefrau at Villa Vertigo on the way out which is something that I do not really do such was the state of my visit. Just my two cents.

I made a detour on my way from Holland to NRW in June after VV began getting more positive reports here. It was my first time back since my premiere visit the previous year, shortly after they opened, when I vowed not to go back until the reports became more positive.
I just could not get a handle on what was going on. It was just depressing. Those of you who have met me know that I like to let my hair down at these clubs, get relaxed, have a good time. Hard to do here. Other than the prowlers who don't take no for an answer, it was difficult to start up a conversation with any of the girls.
Some of the SP are pretty and there was certainly a better selection than in my last visit. I like the facility, especially since they fixed the problem of the locker room area, but the split between the main house and the newer bar contact area makes it hard to get a clear picture of what's going on. It's less of an issue on warm days most of the action moves to the great outdoor deck/pool area.
But once again, I saw very few couples going off to rooms, and of course there was no public action. It just seemed that there was no sex going on at this sex club. I found a pretty petite blonde Lithuanian whose smile captivated me, but the session was dispirited and more like just going through the motions for the both of us.
Won't be going back. There are just so many better options.

[Akibono]

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As I was in VV during the week, I got a free entrance for Sunday. Why not to take advantage of this? The only problem is that, like me, some hundreds of mongers have gained the same right…
I am there at the opening and there is a line at the entrance, hmm…. Anyway, it doesn’t cost anything to try at this point.

I have Annie in mind, and I hope to be her first client today and book her for at least 1h!
Once inside I look for her, but I don’t find her. Shit! Some time later I finally find her still having breakfast with her girlfriend.
She doesn’t show a great enthusiasm in seeing me. Hmm… this also contributes to deflate mine. Nevertheless I persist in my purpose.
It comes natural to present myself also to her friend, but this will turn out to be an error. When they are done she asks me if I want to go to a room. Well… yes, of course.
She tells me to wait there and stands up. Her friend chase her. They return with the key and she makes me sign to join her. We pass the door and reach the stair which brings to the rooms, both of them take the “room kit” (sheet + towel) and move towards the stair. At this point I realize they understood I wanted a trio session! I say “Wait, not with both of you!”. They appear surprised and she says “Why not? You will enjoy it, we will also make the lesbian show for you”. I make clear I am not interested in that and that I want a session with just her. They appear disappointed, chat a few seconds and replay “No, today we want to make sessions together”. What? Is she denying me a session!? Yes man, exactly (how often reality goes beyond your imagination!).

Going back to the outside I realized why. The place is packed by bears! Who are continuing to arrive!
The girls today can do what they want, they won’t have to hunt much to get a prey.
At a certain point I observe the scene and I am feeling like being in a gay club!

I hurry up at the locker room, dress myself and gain the exit.
And now? I will go to discover a new place (for me). Route on Acapulco!

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You did the right thing by refusing a session. Some of the girls are not that bright. You lose far more by pissing off a regular customer. They just don't realize that unless you are super hot there are just a limited number of men who will session with you regularly. Most men go once or twice and then move on to the new arrivals. If a girl has been around awhile, she depends on regulars to stay busy. There just aren't enough new men to keep a woman who churns and burns busy all the time. Girls think if they move around or change their looks it will make a difference, but that only delays the inevitable. There is just so much fertile ground to mine. I have seen more than my share of girls who develop a bad reputation and end up sitting around without any sessions. Attitude is just as important as looks. Respect is the key.

[Bobo.fr]

Actually, these last months, when I spent the saturday night at Villa Vertigo (VV), I used my sunday free entrance just to .... finish quietly my late breakfast (on sunday morning, waking time and so breakfast are later than the other days; I remember once, after 2 nights (friday night and saturday night) spent at the Villa , I was urged to pay for a new entrance or leave when I still had my breakfast plate in front of me !!!).

If I remember well, I only used once this free entrance to have just one sex session (with the Romanian Andra, not Andrea) (it was the sunday where the charming Hungarian Lia with her friend were present for the first time) even if at that time there were not so many clients because the free entrance was reserved only for clients who paid entrance on friday and/or saturday.

The last time I spent my two nights in VV,the free entrance was already extended to clients who paid on the other days, I remembered that the Villa was already full of clients (furthermore, the weather was not so good so most of them stayed inside the Villa) when I've just finished my breakfast (but I should say that I took my breakfast very quietly ), of course I prepared quietly my departure without any attempt to have any sex meeting.

[Duralong]

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As I was in VV during the week, I got a free entrance for Sunday. Why not to take advantage of this? The only problem is that, like me, some hundreds of mongers have gained the same right…
I am there at the opening and there is a line at the entrance, hmm…. Anyway, it doesn’t cost anything to try at this point.

I have Annie in mind, and I hope to be her first client today and book her for at least 1h!
Once inside I look for her, but I don’t find her. Shit! Some time later I finally find her still having breakfast with her girlfriend.
She doesn’t show a great enthusiasm in seeing me. Hmm… this also contributes to deflate mine. Nevertheless I persist in my purpose.
It comes natural to present myself also to her friend, but this will turn out to be an error. When they are done she asks me if I want to go to a room. Well… yes, of course.
She tells me to wait there and stands up. Her friend chase her. They return with the key and she makes me sign to join her. We pass the door and reach the stair which brings to the rooms, both of them take the “room kit” (sheet + towel) and move towards the stair. At this point I realize they understood I wanted a trio session! I say “Wait, not with both of you!”. They appear surprised and she says “Why not? You will enjoy it, we will also make the lesbian show for you”. I make clear I am not interested in that and that I want a session with just her. They appear disappointed, chat a few seconds and replay “No, today we want to make sessions together”. What? Is she denying me a session!? Yes man, exactly (how often reality goes beyond your imagination!).

Going back to the outside I realized why. The place is packed by bears! Who are continuing to arrive!
The girls today can do what they want, they won’t have to hunt much to get a prey.
At a certain point I observe the scene and I am feeling like being in a gay club!

I hurry up at the locker room, dress myself and gain the exit.
And now? I will go to discover a new place (for me). Route on Acapulco!

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[Duralong]

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As I missed VV in my last tour this time I started from here. It was a mostly sunny, quite windy day, so time outside was enjoyable.
The first session of a tour is always critical and most of the time not as good as one desires.

Anja
I decide to break the ice with Anja, a good looking blonde with bright eyes from Poland. 25, 170, nice slim body with accessories. Although I prefer a more curvy type, at least visually, she is really OK.
Her English is limited, but she says yes she kisses, and promises me an intense session. But once in the room what a disappointment! Her kisses are really shallow and she doesn’t let me to do almost anything. No licking and, of course, no fingering, she doesn’t give a BJ either (!), limiting herself to touch rapidly my dick with her tongue, like if she fears to get burned by a more receptive and prolonged contact! Never seen something like this!
In spite of the “excitation of the hungry man” that I have, she is pissing me off, and I start weakening my erection! Seeing this effect and perhaps my expression of disappointment, muting in sadness, she understands she has to concede more, and invite me to touch and lick her pussy, so that I can reanimate the baby and accomplish the mission fucking her in 2 or 3 positions and unload. A few minutes to calm down and it's almost the end of the regular time, there is no point in asking for some social time, so we are out in advance. Shit!
Polish girls are usually good providers, she is the classic exception.

After this bad start I take plenty of time to recover and decide for the next move.
I am particularly attracted by a young pretty girl, but just when I am about to move to her at the bar lounge, another guy approaches her. They talk quite enough, I am waiting patiently, in the hope they would not proceed, but finally they head to a room.
Fortunately they had just a regular session and not a long one, as after 45’ or so I stepped into the guy walking around. He doesn’t have a clearly happy face, so I take the chance to ask him if the girl was good or not. The guy has a clear French accent and he says she was ok, but nothing special, and most of all he didn’t like her “big pussy”. What!? I understood he was complaining not for it being too wide, but just for the appearance. Well, I am a big labia fan, I like pussies that look like flowers, not just like holes , thus what disappointed the guy is a motive of increased interest for me! I am really curious to see what surprise this girl has there “below”, like the guy said.

Annie
The girl has a girlfriend with whom she is used to spend a lot of time with. According to the French guy they are lesbians for real and not just for acting in couple in trio sessions, that comprise also a lesbian show.
Anyway, I am just interested in her and not in her blonde, bigger mate, and after a while I see finally her alone, sat on a couch. I smile at her, she smiles also, so I step to her. Annie has light brown hair and wide beautiful green/blue eyes, fleshy lips and a cute nose pointing upside, in short, almost a Barbie face. She is not tall, maybe 165, but her body is harmonious and perfectly shaped, curvy as I like, with a round proportionate ass, a small waist and abundant C cups, in short, almost everything a man (at least like me) can desire. She is German, from Dortmund and when she tells me of being 19 I feel my legs shiver. For a while I am feeling like an ogre! Guys, I have almost 3 times her age and taking her is barely legal! But shortly after I realize that, between the two of us, she is the stronger. She could devour easily tens of men like me in a day, isn't it?
She is not a great talker, doesn’t have a vivid and joyful attitude either, but… you cannot have everything. She appears calm and shows a moderate smile, but nevertheless she communicate sweetness. I tell her we could go for a session if she would behave with me like if she were my girlfriend. She says with a smile she will try to do so. She appears sincere and I think she has understood what I intended without need to add more details. I follow her upstairs, with my heart beating fast, staring at her legs over those incredibly high heels and to her round tanned ass, barely covered by her tiny panties.
Once in the room we start slowly, I hug her and we kiss. Fortunately DFK this time, sweet and tender DFK. I start to believe seriously she has understood what I wanted by her. I help her to take her heels of as well as her bikini. I can thus admire her perfectly shaped pointed boobs and finally her… pussy. The French guy had frightened me a little bit, but, as a matter of fact, I like a lot what I see. She has in fact large labia but nothing to be disliked of. DATY and 69 are very much enjoyable. I finger her in search of her G spot but not all women have one, or have localized it, or are enough sensitive there. This appears to be her case. I am eager to fuck her. I will do it in almost any position (at least the main ones and each position has a very good part. In CG I like to admire her face as well as her boobs and lick them, in DS to grasp her round ass and seize her small waist, in MS, looking directly in her eyes, it's difficult to maintain self-control. She seems to have her part of enjoyment, or at least she is faking this well. In spite of the impressive external appearance of her pussy, she is tight and she doesn’t allow me to penetrate her all the way in miss, lifting completely her legs, because I hurt her this way. After all she is a young, sweet, little girl and not a man eater!
At about 30’ we have to take a break. I ask for extended time and she says ok. In the 2nd half hour I am decided to come, so I fuck her as hard as I can, without intention of containing myself. I am all sweat. It is in miss, staring at her bright eyes in an apparent languid expression that I feel my body tightening and then shaking from head to feet delivering my load. About 10’ were left for the hour and she was correct to end the time softly with me. I paid her the regular price and she was happy with that.
If all the sessions were like this one… FKK’s would really be a paradise.

I have to regain forces, so fortunately, meal time arrives soon. Then I am not a fast guy. I don’t know how many of you can devour a meal in 2’ and be ready to fuck 2’ later. I have seen this. For me it takes at least 20’ for eating (better if 30’) and in the following 1 or 2 hours digestion usually interferes with my ability to fuck. If blood goes to the stomach can’t go to the dick isn’t it? Well maybe most of you have blood in excess, it’s not my case, and I like to be at 100% of my capacity if I go with a girl, not at 60% or even 90%.

Anyway, time comes that I feel the baby below giving signs of renewed interest in the scene. However the baby is not hungry as before, moreover, as it always happens to me after I have a good session, I become more cautious, because chances of having two good sessions in a row are not so high and I like to leave a place with good memories vivid in my mind.

Dark is advancing and the place is getting more crowded. This usually disturbs me. Some of the girls are very active in hunting preys, while others seem not to care to much of it, preferring to joke among themselves or to gamble at the slot machines.
Annie is available and I am tempted to repeat with her, but, as a confirmation of how YMMV with girls, she rewards me of a quite cold welcome. She is all intent in following a soccer game on TV (weren’t the men doing this once?) where a friend of her (!) is playing.

I am lying on a couch and observe the sultry ass of one of the Romanian girls, sat on her knees on a stool at the bar desk. She is tall and cute, but has an indecent belly, nevertheless the stupid beast below is sensitive to the appeal of that sultry ass and fleshy legs. I fear however it wouldn’t’ be a good fuck. The girl is making too much noise, kidding all the time with her girlfriends or with the guys next to her. She doesn’t concentrate on anybody. I remember I saw her also last October, more or less with the same attitude. I decide to verify this impression, so I exchange some words with her, and this gives me a confirmation. I could not expect from her anything more than a mechanical session.

No other girl I was really interested in. Thus I froze my residual vain desires and decided to call it a day.

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[Bobo.fr]

As VV is fully booked for this saturday night (August 15th) so I can not book any room as I used to; I should change my destination : for the moment I still keep my train ticket Paris-Brussels-Liege/Luik/Lutich-Aachen (I may easily extend it to reach Koln), can anybody suggest me a club close to these cities, especially those that propose possibilities to get sun bath (thanks to Boomer10 for your answers about Samya at Koln and Babylon at Elsdorf) ?

[Toki Jo]

For those mongerers flying into Weeze Airport, VV is approximately 30 minutes drive and using satnav, the place can be found without any problems. Car parking available at the rear, entry fee 50 euros, which includes free beverages, alcoholic drinks and food. At 8:30pm on a Friday evening in July, estimated 40-50 WG's but outnumbered by punters 3 to 1. In my opinion, the standard and quality of software and hardware was higher compared to GT and VV. Free entry offer on Sunday if visiting within last 7 days so represented good value last month. Although not mentioned on their website, overnight stays available but call or email them for discount. Breakfast included when VV opens at 11am and you can even stay until 1pm!!. Oh how I miss delightful Germany!

[Zelatrix]

I have been keeping up with your expanded horizon escapades.

For the avoidance of doubt I will neither encourage you to tip toe further down this perilouse path, nor will I be following you.

Little Z has been spoilt and is now a fussy child.

Z

[Breadman]

Thankfully on my last few trips I have been stocking up on €5 and the excellent thing is the Volksbank ATM in NRN airport that we flu in and out of issues €5 notes!!

The bank machine at Fkk World allows you to choose the denominations...don't see why you couldn't select 20 5's if your down that way.

[Basketcase]

Quote from BC
I think your next adventure in NRW is the one that I am joining you on. At present my vote is for 2 days visit at Golden Time.

Sir I concur.

Barring something/s unforseen I intend to spend both days of my next expedition at GT. I was disturbed to hear that your lack of 5 Euro notes has led to you being out of pocket. I have a good supply and will exchange some with you when we meet. I just hope that GT isnt to overcrowded.

Interesting observation about the MILFS at VV in evening wear. Cant remmember which gentleman referred to this. I clocked a pair who made the best of themselves by weraing elegant evening dresses. I wasnt sure if they work working ladies on first sight. Anyway I declined there advances as my tastes are much more shallow. Overall they added another dimension and I am sure that a number of gentleman appreciate what they bring to the party.

Good on your Sir.

The reason for the €5 notes is for the €25 extras for CIM and extra half a hour. There has been many a time I have handed over €80 for a €75 session as I did not have the €5 notes. I think it churlish to ask for change and few girls are waiting around to offer the €5 change unless you persist. Maybe there are others here that see it fit to stand and demand €5 change?

So when you maybe doing four sessions and each has some €25 extra element to them then that is an extra €20 spent over the day and when you visit a few times doing the same then it can add up.

Thankfully on my last few trips I have been stocking up on €5 and the excellent thing is the Volksbank ATM in NRN airport that we flu in and out of issues €5 notes!!

It was me that mentioned noting several of the ladies at VV wore full lenght dresses and how that was a contrast to what I usually now expect in a sauna club or FKK. I also mentioned the worrying trend of FKK girls wearing more like mini skirts instead of belts which escalated from the girls being full naked except for shoes. It does tend to be the more mature ladies that wear a bit more.

As for your shallowness. Welcome to the club. For the men that like to fuck with their eyes. I am working on expanding my horizons. Please see my recent Golden Time reports and EL's attempts to help me in that regard. I am still having recurrences going through my mind of the ordeal.