FKK Golden Gate / old Villa Vertigo in Grefrath NRW

[Ekliges Lauern]

Line up was not bad, but in a way uncomplete.

Yeah, this club has a really weird vibe.

The facilities are beautiful. The food and drink are great.

The women are attractive enough, it just doesn't seem like most of them want to fuck you. They tend to group up or hang out with a know guy for hours without sessioning.

I'm quite familiar with "do not approach" clubs. F39 for example is a "do not approach" club where I do well. The women at other do not approach clubs have ways of letting you know they want you to session with them. A smile as you walk by, etc. Just wasn't happening when I visited VV.

It may be that the club needs some time to build a solid lineup and maybe the current lineup are former under-performers from other NRW clubs. Maybe it will improve with time. I'll probably stop in again to check out the progress as I am rooting for this club to succeed.

[Love Palace]

I can't say I can recall anyone raving about this club. The facilities are nice, but that's not why we go to the clubs.

I think the consensus so far is the lineup has a ways to go.

Hello Radler,

Visited the club for the first time. Was there at opening time 11. 00. Nice design as described before. I will make it short: it looks like they are very satiesfied with themselves and I should be glad they have provided me such a place. Line up was thin Sunday. All the girls had slept in the club. Uptill 3 in each room. Not happy they had to go downstairs all of them at 11 to a small number of guests. Tried one session without sucsess. No sex, but perhaps my bad mood over the club. Line up was not bad, but in a way uncomplete. Palace and Oase has a lot more to offer, For the first time I left a club a bit pissed off. Drove up to Zeus as I had to go north. Welcomed as an old friend. Not a special good line up, but was served with grath humor by Mercedes and another girl. Nicer guests also than VV. Next time Oase and Palace and Zeus because it is on the way.

[Basketcase]

My crew left me leaving me to my own devices in the wilderness of Nord Rhein Westfalen. We had been to Golden Time the previous Tag.

I decided to check out the action at Villa Vertigo. One of my crew just has a thing for the vibe at Villa Vertigo and so because of that there is a place in my visit schedule for this sauna club. I attended from 11:30 to 18:45 as I had to leave to catch my American built silver bird (Boeing 737) back to the land of Schweiner Englanders. Hey I am an Auslander, ja?

I went with two girls only this visit as I was worried about the state of my eier after already 5 days of vigorous usage in the saunaclubs of West Deutschland.

First up is Yvon of Poland. She wore the light little blue dress that barely covered her arse and had blue eyes, long very blond hair (no dark streaks). Decent legs and very friendly and service orientated. She is also tall, blue eyes, pale skinned, B cup silicon breasts, leggy, getting a bit MILFY. I needed a bit of a change from the teenies at Golden Time that I had to chase around the room.

Yvon is formerly of Yin Yang and is Polish in birth but has lived in the Nederlands for 20 years. As such she speaks, Nederlands, Deutsch, Polish and English.

She did a very pleasing teasing session with me and she did most of the work which is unusual for me as I like to do the work. I prefer to be on top in missionary or in doggie. None of this cowgirl stuff.

Anyway did the usual stuff, nothing too kinky.

I recommend Yvon.

Then it was back to general circulation.

I met a ijsberen who was 70 years old and lived in Moenchangladbach. I had seen him in the NRW clubs on many of my visits but had never actually spoken to him. He actually came over to introduce himself to me first and asked me to join him. We spoke in a mixture of Deutsch and Engels.

He was retired now and enjoyed having sex with girls. His wife let him get on with it as she was not up for it no more. I admired the bloke as I would like to think when I am 70 and sometimes you forget that it is not that far away that I still would be banging 20 year old girls still. An inspiration.

We left each other and I expect I shall see the ijsberen again since I do see him most visits that I make to NRW.

It still cracks me up that Villa Vertigo has Red Bears/beren (instead of the usual white Polar Bears/beren).

Food was good - I stayed for lunch, afternoon tea and Dinner. I missed the BBQ which comes on at about 20:00 if I recall correctly.

The receptionist was cute just wearing a rugby jersey and tiny shorts over her well tanned and slim body. She used to work behind the bar and now does the door. Another tall, slim blonde Deutsch girl has commandeered bar duties.

I did not see the manager wandering around this day like I used to see.


Next girl I saw was Dodo. She has been working at VV since January 2008 when it first opened and has not worked anywhere else but here. She is a local NRW girl.

I got her to spell her name to me as I was unsure how a girl came up with Dodo for a name. I thought it was Dido as in the Carthaginian Queen from the Trojan legends but she said it was Dodo like the extinct bird.

She said to me she had 20 years.

Very pretty girl. I liked looking into her big brown eyes, pert nose and sweet looking lips.

I'm a bit unsure of the golden hair on top of the brown hair underlay of her below the shoulder lenght hair.

Standard session. Nothing too out of the ordinary for me.

One has suggested to me that "I might have had high expectations which couldn't be fullfilled by her or she really isn't that extraordinary".

In my view Dodo was an ordinary session. What made it memorable for me was Dodo's good looks. Shoulder lenght long dark blonde hair, big brown eyes, a sharp pert nose and pink lips (not big Blow Job lips). Good visuals that helped get me over the edge.

I enjoyed looking at her face as we lay together. In the end nothing memorable except she was pretty.

ON another note something that struck me is that at VV I find that there is less upsell and offers of extras than say GT. In facr many girls that I have been with at VV do not even offer extras and just do standard services. This can be a bain for an extras guy like me. It maybe just my selection but because of that less presure environment I tend to spend less at VV than at GT and in a way that is a good thing.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

[Basketcase]

I can't say I can recall anyone raving about this club. The facilities are nice, but that's not why we go to the clubs.

I think the consensus so far is the lineup has a ways to go.

Hallo Radler,

I had a delightful afternoon at Villa Vertigo of late starting at 11:30 and went with two girls only. I refrained from going for a third as I was worried about the state of my eiers as I had been at it for the last 4 days. My eiers just did not look right after my second pop with a local Deutsch girl of Nord Rhein Westfalen.

By 17:30 my eiers were back to normal again. I had a few drinks and then went for a lovely meal of wurst, noodles, various cooked vegetables and crumbed poulet pieces with a fruity vanilla mousse for sweet.

I then left at 18:45 to leave to catch my American built silver bird (Boeing) back to the land of Schweiner Englanders (a group of British soldiers and I were being called that by Deutsch at a party I was at on Sunday).

At the party was so funny that the party management said in the middle of the night that if you were British or Russian there was to be no more beer served. Our catch cry for the night was "Beer, Beer, we want more Beer!!" I do not know what the Russians were saying but one looked like Chuck Norris right down to the beard. The pretty Red headed receptionist christened him Chuck Norris.

I liked the Receptionist at this Party so much. She was easily the most prettiest girl at the Party.

At Villa Vertigo I sat in the hot sun by the cool pool feeling like I was at the Playboy mansion with a multitude of lovelies in bikinis or lingerie or even Summer dresses wandering around for my viewing pleasure.

Choas,

Londonbasketcase

[Ekliges Lauern]

Posters can come on and rave about the club, their new policy's and the like

I can't say I can recall anyone raving about this club. The facilities are nice, but that's not why we go to the clubs.

I think the consensus so far is the lineup has a ways to go.

[Ortos]

Guys,

I have indeed been contacted and things are being made right. I don't want to go into details since it is currently a private conversation and not for me to disclose it as such, but I will as soon as all parties agree.

I admit that I must be representing the vast minority here in calling for a public apology by this guy Stephan, because in reading what happened --and I accept entirely what the isg forum members say and reject Stephan's version of the events-- I felt that his offence towards other isg members visiting his club was an offence towards me and all others here. It could easily have been you or me in those sandals...

However, the when you read Henio's statement above, one should take pride in trying to help some isg brethren get free entrance, VIP treatment and perhaps a couple of gratis sessions from VV for the offended parties...Anything we can do to help, Henio, that's what friends are for...

[Ekliges Lauern]

Guys,

I have indeed been contacted and things are being made right. I don't want to go into details since it is currently a private conversation and not for me to disclose it as such, but I will as soon as all parties agree.

Glad to hear it.

Once you feel things have been made right, that pretty much closes the book on it for me.

I don't need to see a public apology or statement, people make mistakes. I say we move on.

That said, I am rooting for this club as I like the facilities and they don't exclude based on race. However, the lineup still has a ways to go.

[Woofiee]

Well it's good to hear that there are discussions happening. I frankly don't think the owner needs to make a public apology since it really applied to the parties involved. It's enough they've changed the policy and started a discussion behind the scene.- this is where it belongs, just between the parties.

I'm looking forward to seeing the place myself soon. Thank goodness the cloud is lifting.

Now about this weather. Grrr.

[Henio]

Guys,

I have indeed been contacted and things are being made right. I don't want to go into details since it is currently a private conversation and not for me to disclose it as such, but I will as soon as all parties agree.

[Breadman]

It sounds like VV is going to handle it via PMs and that seems reasonable.

Where exactly does it say this? I read something by Cynical about a new policy regarding photo's...but nothing saying the guys evicted will be contacted via PM.

I observed the whole thing from start to finish.

No matter what everyone says, Henio was there and witnessed the entire thing. Posters can come on and rave about the club, their new policy's and the like...but until I read from Henio that he was contacted by the owner and things got worked out i'll always have that nagging feeling in the back of my head.

[Chicafan]

Come on Stefan, climb down from your mountain and say the T-word: "Tut mir leid..."

Ortos

I am a big believer in customer service and never alienating people. I imagine Henio and Co left that club with a "WTH just happened" feeling and to this day don't understand what they did wrong. We all have a pretty good feeling they were mistreated, and that at the very least it was a misunderstanding and some reconciliation is in order. It sounds like VV is going to handle it via PMs and that seems reasonable.

[Dedalus]

Thanks Henio. The change of policy and the fact that there is some communication behind the scene is good enough for me. No needs for public apologies as far as I am concerned.

Jim

Power to the poster!

Certainly can't argue with the process that is going on. Sounds to me like a step (maybe several) in the right direction.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Ortos]

Thanks Henio. The change of policy and the fact that there is some communication behind the scene is good enough for me. No needs for public apologies as far as I am concerned.

Jim

Not good enough for me. I know Henio and the other guy. They are kind of friends, or if not, at least I could imagine myself in their place. I absolutely believe their version of the events, namely that they simply brought their complaint to the management and were arrogantly evicted simply for complaining about a lousy photographic policy.

Now Stefan, the face of the management, reverses the policy. To me, that says he now considers the policy of public photography of the guests during operating hours without their express permission is wrong. But I never once heard him (or anyone else from the management) offer any kind of apology to the horrible way he treated his paid guests when they initially suggested this policy was wrong. Instead they were kicked out, then accused of being drunk and unruley (contrary to the truth as expressed by the participants themseleves and other witnesses).

For me (and I imagine I am not alone) to consider going to this club, I would really hope he could have the balls to admit his mistake publically. After all, many of us were very personally offended by his actions and rude behaviour towards other isg brothers, so I at least feel like sticking up for them. One "I am sorry, I made a mistake" goes a long, long way. But so far, getting that from VV management is like getting eggs from a cow...

Come on Stefan, climb down from your mountain and say the T-word: "Tut mir leid..."

Ortos

[GandJim]

There is a line of communication going on behind the scene

Thanks Henio. The change of policy and the fact that there is some communication behind the scene is good enough for me. No needs for public apologies as far as I am concerned.

Jim

[Henio]

...with no mea culpa from Stephan?

If the owner is not big enough to admit to the eggregious lapse in customer service and offer to rectify the situation with the aggrieved party, he's still not getting my euros.

There is a line of communication going on behind the scene