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[Bfsie]

Yes. This is not uncommon. There is the full range: true swinger clubs, swinger clubs with a few hired women, swinger clubs with essentially only hired women occasionally visited by real swingers, clubs which don't pretend to be swinger clubs but which real swingers occasionally visit (Mettmann was one), brothels never visited by true swingers.

In some cases, the club advertizes itself as a swinger club even though essentially only hired women are ever present there, and sometimes these even pretend that they are not house women. Not sure why.

Thanks very much for your insight SvenFKK.

[SvenFKK]

By house women, do you mean that the women were hired by the club to perform sex service?

Yes. This is not uncommon. There is the full range: true swinger clubs, swinger clubs with a few hired women, swinger clubs with essentially only hired women occasionally visited by real swingers, clubs which don't pretend to be swinger clubs but which real swingers occasionally visit (Mettmann was one), brothels never visited by true swingers.

In some cases, the club advertizes itself as a swinger club even though essentially only hired women are ever present there, and sometimes these even pretend that they are not house women. Not sure why.

[Bfsie]

I been there a few times. Last time a couple of years ago. Very few actual real swingers there. A few house women providing mostly basic mechanical service. One older house lady in her 50's was horny enough.

ID imagine there are 1 to 2 house ladies in the daytime and 3 or 4 at night.

Please report back if you do go.

Seems hard to beat insomnia in Berlin for actual active Swingers.

Thanks very much for your advice Wanking.

I have a couple of follow-up questions if you don't mind. By house women, do you mean that the women were hired by the club to perform sex service? Were they different women each time when you were there? I will report back if I go there. Thank you very much for your advice.

[Wanking]

Hi Everybody,

Does anybody have experience with swingertref-18 (www.swingertreff-18.de) in Cologne? I am a single man, any chance to score there? Thank you for your advice.

I been there a few times. Last time a couple of years ago. Very few actual real swingers there. A few house women providing mostly basic mechanical service. One older house lady in her 50's was horny enough.

ID imagine there are 1 to 2 house ladies in the daytime and 3 or 4 at night.

Please report back if you do go.

Seems hard to beat insomnia in Berlin for actual active Swingers.

[Bfsie]

Hi Everybody,

Does anybody have experience with swingertref-18 (www.swingertreff-18.de) in Cologne? I am a single man, any chance to score there? Thank you for your advice.

[Dublin Mick]

The girls in Osnabruck are quite decent and some of them could scrape through into the FKK world with relative ease. Really is worth checking them out, being honest I wouldn't say any of them at all there are actually dogs.

[BrooklynNY]

I was thinking about going to one of the Pauscha Clubs on Thursday. Bochum, Münster or Dortmund. Which one is the easiest to get to via public transportation?

I live here. I know the time travel varies. But some look you would have to walk a little to get to. Like there is nonearby public transpo.

Funny thing is also. Was at the Kirmes and swear I saw a girl that looked like Kasandra. I saw her twice not knowing who she was. Same day I did see the guy who runs all the big clubs in theüsseldorf. So anything is posdible.

Also does anyone have the code to see more on there sites. If so pm me.

[Adindas]

Hi Seniors,

Please guide me if there is any good partytreff / pauschalclub with good looking girls around Dusseldorf, I don't have a car. I don't like shitty looking girls.

Ideally, looking for a balance of service and good looks. ARE the girls at partytreffs beautiful? Even pleasant would do.

I have never been to a partytreff before, but would like to try once, as it seems one can fuck as many times as possible in one flat price. WOW. Too good to be true.

For FKK visits in first week July, would Sharks and Oase prove a better option than say Acapulco / Living room / Dolce Vita? Have to plan trip accordingly.

Please help. Thanks a lot.

Indimann

In many cases most of PartyTreffs girls are dogs. This is also one of the reason why they are there in the first place. Otherwise they will be working in FKK club or becoming an escort working for an agent or as an Indie.

But there must be a few exception outthere. ERW or Airport Girls in Berlin for instance are a few to name with some FKK quality girls. But I am also still looking for the trail of the holy grail of FKK quality girls in PT in NRW.

Any recomendation and lead will ber very much appreciated ...

[Adindas]

Is there any PT with FKK quality girls??

I am fully aware, it is unreasonable to expect that all of them are FKK quality in a PartyTreff. But let say about half of them are FKK quality ??

Examples of what I mean here is such as ERW (although I am not recommending this place) or Airport Girls in Berlin or Farell Lounge in Kaarst (have not been there but I have heard from trusted members here).

I am not looking into Porn Stars but I am more into FKK quality girls.

Any lead, recommendation will be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

[IndiMann]

Hi Seniors,

Please guide me if there is any good partytreff / pauschalclub with good looking girls around Dusseldorf, I don't have a car. I don't like shitty looking girls.

Ideally, looking for a balance of service and good looks. ARE the girls at partytreffs beautiful? Even pleasant would do.

I have never been to a partytreff before, but would like to try once, as it seems one can fuck as many times as possible in one flat price. WOW. Too good to be true.

For FKK visits in first week July, would Sharks and Oase prove a better option than say Acapulco / Living room / Dolce Vita? Have to plan trip accordingly.

Please help. Thanks a lot.

Indimann

[ThomasNorway]

Aside from that: My biggest fear was that everybody would fall in line and obey this stupid law (however if may unfold) without putting up a fight. I was too optimistic. Quite a number of people already cancelled AO-advertising already, (and even AO completely) despite the fact that no law has even been passed yet, much less put in effect. When I see such obedience-in-advance to a law that doesn't even exist, then there is no hope and you can forget about everything. It seems as if you don't even need a law anymore these days, it suffices just nicely to put out some newspaper articles and lots of people already stick to what's written in there. Even if it is only half-true, incomplete and not (yet) valid.

I wouldn't give up hope just yet. Remember that this is a very money-driven business, and AO is clearly an option that works as a selling point for some girls / clubs that can't stand up to the competition of others in other areas (super-model looks etc.). That selling point won't go away no matter what laws are passed. Assuming the law is passed, I see two scenarios;.

1: AO is off the menu, and all the girls who has used AO as their hook in the market move to a different country where this is still legal. I find this to be unlikely however, since few places in Europe come close to Germany and NRW as far as prostitution is concerned.

2: AO is still on the menu but, as has been previously discussed, becomes slightly more covert. The details of how this will work is still unclear, but some sort of convoluted advertising seems likely. So long as there is a market, there will always be a supply.

There might be a dip in the market first, where the authorities, customers and providers all try to wrap their heads around the new reality, but I remain optimistic as far as the future is concerned!

[SwingerLover]

What I can see already, even while still sitting here in the USA, is that more and more websites are dropping advertising for AO. While the girls may still offer it, it's going to be harder to find, especially for those not familiar with which girls have offered it in the past.

Quite right. Some sites (like Fickanzeiger) have changed their "AO-Sex" or "AO-Girls" section to "GirlfriendSex". The Sexdo ads now show "Gf6" instead of AO. Which will get very confusing, since a lot of the condom girls also offer "Girlfriendsex", which in their case doesn't necessarily mean "AO", but rather kissing, kuddling and such. Indeed difficult to see what's what, if you don't already know the girls.

Aside from that: My biggest fear was that everybody would fall in line and obey this stupid law (however if may unfold) without putting up a fight. I was too optimistic. Quite a number of people already cancelled AO-advertising already, (and even AO completely) despite the fact that no law has even been passed yet, much less put in effect. When I see such obedience-in-advance to a law that doesn't even exist, then there is no hope and you can forget about everything. It seems as if you don't even need a law anymore these days, it suffices just nicely to put out some newspaper articles and lots of people already stick to what's written in there. Even if it is only half-true, incomplete and not (yet) valid.

And the biggest joke was one certain non-AO-club that had written on it's website that they would offer no AO from March 1st "because of the new law", when in fact they didn't offer any AO in the first place with. (They removed that stupidity from their website by now, so don't bother asking which club it was.).

[Member #4359]

Let's wait and see what they will actually come up with. If at all. Neurosynth has pretty much summed it up:

"But is ignored or easily bypassed and life goes on. " seems to be a fairly accurate description of the situation in the Saarland.

What I can see already, even while still sitting here in the USA, is that more and more websites are dropping advertising for AO. While the girls may still offer it, it's going to be harder to find, especially for those not familiar with which girls have offered it in the past.

[SwingerLover]

Since BBFS is all I'm interested in, does this mean I will have to stop traveling to Germany?

Let's wait and see what they will actually come up with. If at all. Neurosynth has pretty much summed it up:

I'm no expert on German law, but from what I've heard so far it sounds like what is illegal is the act, not asking about the act.

I think everyone should take a deep breath and wait and see how this plays out. Nobody knows. It might be, for example, that a strong law passes. But is ignored or easily bypassed and life goes on. Then the politicians can puff up and act like they did something, and those who know nothing about the realities of commercial sex will think the did something, and those like us will still do what they want to do.

"But is ignored or easily bypassed and life goes on. " seems to be a fairly accurate description of the situation in the Saarland.

[Neurosynth]

As a matter of practicality, with a condom-duty in effect, what happens when a hobbyist requests BBFS (either in the negotiating phase before going to a room or afterwards in the room)? Does she press the AO alarm button? Report him to the authorities? Nothing? Since BBFS is all I'm interested in, does this mean I will have to stop traveling to Germany?

I'm no expert on German law, but from what I've heard so far it sounds like what is illegal is the act, not asking about the act.

I think everyone should take a deep breath and wait and see how this plays out. Nobody knows. It might be, for example, that a strong law passes. But is ignored or easily bypassed and life goes on. Then the politicians can puff up and act like they did something, and those who know nothing about the realities of commercial sex will think the did something, and those like us will still do what they want to do.