2007 Pattaya Reports

[Khun Larry]

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Again another lesson 5:
the guys explained to me that you don't boom boom the Golden's girls, that's for the tourists. To them the Golden's girls were more like good old fashion girl friends (like Noo & her click). You should always buy them a drink or two or three Etc. Bar fine them for dinner & a movie. But just as friends and keep it that way because they can teach you and show you the inside track to living like Thai in Bangkok. Where the tourist go and where the locals go. You'll end up with ten times the entertainment value for a tenth of the price. They (Noo & her click) are the ambassadors of good will in Bangkok.

You make some good points but are much too generous in your comments about about the thai girls. Maybe a little chat in the bar but you don't need working girls for anything more than a shag. If you don't live full time in bangers and speak the language you are just another tourist / ATM in their eyes being played. I doubt you want to go where locals go unless you feel like pissing away money on everyone. farang always pays. Thais are not there for good will, just to get your money. Tell them no money and you will be standing there with your dick in your hand

[LittleBigMan]

Has anyone experience the Black Pearl Bar out on Siam Country Rd, near the large Golf driving range?

LBM

[Silly Fool]

[QUOTE=Billpsu]"Lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the Thermea Cafe. I understand this place has a unique history from the Vietnam war."

Isn't this the old "Madrid Cafe" made famous by visits from Tony Po?

and here is a sample on how I'm trying to help the next guy out:

Go Newbie-get amongst it-keep the great reports coming

[HenryV]

"Lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the Thermea Cafe. I understand this place has a unique history from the Vietnam war."

Isn't this the old "Madrid Cafe" made famous by visits from Tony Po?


[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]and here is a sample on how I'm trying to help the next guy out:

These are a good ISG wrap up of trip reports:

http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slides...e%20Shows.html

http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slides...e%20Shows.html



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Shared a taxi to the Nana, total cost about $10 divided by 2 = 5-bucks for a 45 minute ride in an air conditioned car across town. On check-in was given

lesson 3:
when getting a room at the Nana take a room above the 6th floor, noise & a much better view but doesn't cost a penny more ( now Bangkok City Suites is the recommended place to stay, Nana is still ok but you can't beat the price of the BCS, plus its new. Or even NasaVegas hotel not as new but a great price ). To the room to drop my bags. Then headed to Bill's room for a nip of that Johny Walker we picked up in the duty free right after customs. Drank a few listened to and viewed some of his great adventures while sipping a little Johny Walker over Ice. A few hours later (about 3pm BKK time) we redeemed our complimentary cocktail in the Nana lounge. Then leisurely strolled through the lobby looking at the little phishes swimming about and Bill shaking hands with about every one in the lobby. It was like watch Norm enter Cheers. We made our way out to the Golden Bar.

Where I learned lesson 4:
the place where if you sit long enough you see some one you know. Really, its the perfect fall back point that only the seasoned know about.

We met the rest of the guys and I was introduced to the girls of Golden.

Again another lesson 5:
the guys explained to me that you don't boom boom the Golden's girls, that's for the tourists. To them the Golden's girls were more like good old fashion girl friends (like Noo & her click). You should always buy them a drink or two or three Etc. Bar fine them for dinner & a movie. But just as friends and keep it that way because they can teach you and show you the inside track to living like Thai in Bangkok. Where the tourist go and where the locals go. You'll end up with ten times the entertainment value for a tenth of the price. They (Noo & her click) are the ambassadors of good will in Bangkok.

Off to the Bamboo Bar for happy hour and a couple games of pool. Eat some BBQ from the street vendors (no worries very safe) about 0.20cents a stick for chicken - beef - shrimp Etc, a dollar goes a long way when filling up your gut. After drinking a lot of Carlsberg and Heineken and shooting more pool then I usually do some one mentioned there feet were sore and could use a foot spa.

On to lesson 6:
from Nana take soi-4 to sukimvit hang a right behind the police booth on the corner. Look to your right as you navigate through the vendors for a set of stairs with gray-ish blue carpet, white-ish walls, and a silver hand rail. There is only one set of stairs in that area. You'll climb stairs that are set at a 70 degree angle (its oddly steep) and find the best message place in Bangkok. Right under every ones nose, and yet they will all pay two to three times more then you when getting any kind of message.

By this time it's getting on in the evening and the gents are starting to feel a little frisky. We shuffled back to the Golden and debated where to take the youngster next. During this debate fruit was ordered from the street vendor Pineapple, Mango, several local Thai-fruits and inhaled as soon as it hit the table. Finally a decision was made and I was introduced to

Lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the Thermea Cafe. I understand this place has a unique history from the Vietnam war. The CIA and intelligence community along with some of the seedier personalities of the world frequented the Cafe and often did business there. It is a bar over flowing with freelancers. Ladies that have regular 9 to 5 jobs or collage students looking to make a couple extra bucks. Putting to good use what mother nature gave them and what western men can't get enough of, thank GOD they have more supply then demand. This has nothing to do with a quality issue IE: supply, there's just sooo dam much of it, it's heaven.
We through back a few more Hinees and a couple of the gents hooked up with some fine looking 20somethings. I said, "Hell I better get a move on" and Bill replied, "chill we have plenty of time, those pussies are going to turn in early because they have a tee time in the morning. We still have another place to hit".
Another thing you need to keep in mind as you read this, these guys were picking up the tab on every thing. I would try to pick up a tab or two to be sporting, BUT NO your the new guy we got it!

Which brings us to lesson 8:
we all head out to the street, every one has a HOT @ss chick except for Bill & I. We line up 3 or 4 taxi's and head back to the Nana. They go up to there room for some boom boom and Bill & I swim through the phishes to Angels Club inside the Nana hotel (about midnight) and the place was packed @sshole to elbow with women. Really guys they out number the men 10 to 1 and I may even be under stating it, NO SH!T it could easily be 20 to 1, I kid you not. Some how Bill finds me and stuffs several oddly colored drinks in my pie-hole. Mean while were people watching, commenting to one another about the chicks on the dance floor. At this same time each of us has a smoke-N hot chick on either side of us molesting our genitalia. Between the freakishly colored drinks and the spontaneous prostate exam I was feeling very frisky and very very drunk. I leaned over to Bill to yell my thoughts to him but he beat me to the punch. Unlike him I have very good hearing. Once the ringing in my ear stopped, I understood and he understood that it was boom boom time.


Have you ever been so drunk you had to strain to keep your eyes open. Well by the time I hit my door that was the predicament I found my self in. YUP, a fine specimen of femininity laying naked on my bed and I had a dick as limp as your grandma's noodle casserole. FOCK, now what?

Wait, i remember Bill talking about Viagra. Told the vixen, "bree wite back". Boom out the door and across the hall, thank god he wasn't far away. Tap Tap Tap, ya, Bill, ya, need some help.

No I don't need any help, NO focker i need help.

He opens the door -whaaat- gimy some Viagra I'm to drunk. I get the little blue devil and I only take half because i had never used it before, I didn't know how i would react. Stumbled back to the room took a shower, and Da da da puppy power, I mean da da da greyhound power! Like i was 14 in Miss Turners Sex-Ed class again.

[Fish N Chips]

and here is a sample on how i'm trying to help the next guy out:
[quote=fish n chips]these are a good isg wrap up of trip reports:

http://www.evasimonetyler.com/slides...e%20shows.html

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shared a taxi to the nana, total cost about $10 divided by 2 = 5-bucks for a 45 minute ride in an air conditioned car across town. on check-in was given

lesson 3:
when getting a room at the nana take a room above the 6th floor, noise & a much better view but doesn't cost a penny more ( now bangkok city suites is the recommended place to stay, nana is still ok but you can't beat the price of the bcs, plus its new. or even nasavegas hotel not as new but a great price ). to the room to drop my bags. then headed to bill's room for a nip of that johny walker we picked up in the duty free right after customs. drank a few listened to and viewed some of his great adventures while sipping a little johny walker over ice. a few hours later (about 3pm bkk time) we redeemed our complimentary cocktail in the nana lounge. then leisurely strolled through the lobby looking at the little phishes swimming about and bill shaking hands with about every one in the lobby. it was like watch norm enter cheers. we made our way out to the golden bar.

where i learned lesson 4:
the place where if you sit long enough you see some one you know. really, its the perfect fall back point that only the seasoned know about.

we met the rest of the guys and i was introduced to the girls of golden.

again another lesson 5:
the guys explained to me that you don't boom boom the golden's girls, that's for the tourists. to them the golden's girls were more like good old fashion girl friends (like noo & her click). you should always buy them a drink or two or three etc. bar fine them for dinner & a movie. but just as friends and keep it that way because they can teach you and show you the inside track to living like thai in bangkok. where the tourist go and where the locals go. you'll end up with ten times the entertainment value for a tenth of the price. they (noo & her click) are the ambassadors of good will in bangkok.

off to the bamboo bar for happy hour and a couple games of pool. eat some bbq from the street vendors (no worries very safe) about 0.20cents a stick for chicken - beef - shrimp etc, a dollar goes a long way when filling up your gut. after drinking a lot of carlsberg and heineken and shooting more pool then i usually do some one mentioned there feet were sore and could use a foot spa.

on to lesson 6:
from nana take soi-4 to sukimvit hang a right behind the police booth on the corner. look to your right as you navigate through the vendors for a set of stairs with gray-ish blue carpet, white-ish walls, and a silver hand rail. there is only one set of stairs in that area. you'll climb stairs that are set at a 70 degree angle (its oddly steep) and find the best message place in bangkok. right under every ones nose, and yet they will all pay two to three times more then you when getting any kind of message.

by this time it's getting on in the evening and the gents are starting to feel a little frisky. we shuffled back to the golden and debated where to take the youngster next. during this debate fruit was ordered from the street vendor pineapple, mango, several local thai-fruits and inhaled as soon as it hit the table. finally a decision was made and i was introduced to

lesson number 7:
and its infamous history, the thermea cafe. i understand this place has a unique history from the vietnam war. the cia and intelligence community along with some of the seedier personalities of the world frequented the cafe and often did business there. it is a bar over flowing with freelancers. ladies that have regular 9 to 5 jobs or collage students looking to make a couple extra bucks. putting to good use what mother nature gave them and what western men can't get enough of, thank god they have more supply then demand. this has nothing to do with a quality issue ie: supply, there's just sooo dam much of it, it's heaven.
we through back a few more hinees and a couple of the gents hooked up with some fine looking 20somethings. i said, "hell i better get a move on" and bill replied, "chill we have plenty of time, those pussies are going to turn in early because they have a tee time in the morning. we still have another place to hit".
another thing you need to keep in mind as you read this, these guys were picking up the tab on every thing. i would try to pick up a tab or two to be sporting, but no your the new guy we got it!

which brings us to lesson 8:
we all head out to the street, every one has a hot @ss chick except for bill & i. we line up 3 or 4 taxi's and head back to the nana. they go up to there room for some boom boom and bill & i swim through the phishes to angels club inside the nana hotel (about midnight) and the place was packed @sshole to elbow with women. really guys they out number the men 10 to 1 and i may even be under stating it, no sh!t it could easily be 20 to 1, i kid you not. some how bill finds me and stuffs several oddly colored drinks in my pie-hole. mean while were people watching, commenting to one another about the chicks on the dance floor. at this same time each of us has a smoke-n hot chick on either side of us molesting our genitalia. between the freakishly colored drinks and the spontaneous prostate exam i was feeling very frisky and very very drunk. i leaned over to bill to yell my thoughts to him but he beat me to the punch. unlike him i have very good hearing. once the ringing in my ear stopped, i understood and he understood that it was boom boom time.


have you ever been so drunk you had to strain to keep your eyes open. well by the time i hit my door that was the predicament i found my self in. yup, a fine specimen of femininity laying naked on my bed and i had a dick as limp as your grandma's noodle casserole. fock, now what?

wait, i remember bill talking about viagra. told the vixen, "bree wite back". boom out the door and across the hall, thank god he wasn't far away. tap tap tap, ya, bill, ya, need some help.

no i don't need any help, no focker i need help.

he opens the door -whaaat- gimy some viagra i'm to drunk. i get the little blue devil and i only take half because i had never used it before, i didn't know how i would react. stumbled back to the room took a shower, and da da da puppy power, i mean da da da greyhound power! like i was 14 in miss turners sex-ed class again.

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i have a story:

many, many moons ago i made my first trek to los. a year prior to this life changing event i knuckled down and researched where, how, when, & what ?!?!? many questions, and it seem the more i researched the more questions i had, and then found my self asking the same question and looking up the same answers. part of that had to do to my lack of organization, however i was highly motivated and made, i thought, a great deal of headway 12 months later. looking back on it now, after one year of research the most valuable thing to come out of all that effort was the phrase, "words can not describe it, you just have to experience it!". this phrase, this quote appeared in almost every document, article, vhs trip tapes i researched, every one!

now your saying to yourself, dam that's all you figured out after a year of research. well i had a head full of what i thought was knowledge, but it paled in comparison to my chance encounter. an encounter that bestowed upon me 20 years of expatriate experience. experience that money, and i don't care how much you have, would ever be able to emulate. i have forgotten already more information then the rest of us will ever know about los.

ok ok on to the trip. i buttoned up my rental property because i planed for a one month trip. this is some of the knowledge i learned on my own. i have to say, if your going for the first time and you can take a month it's the recommended introduction to los.

as i tied up my loose ends friends of mine were concerned, sars had just broken out in south east asia. i said "fock-it", i had planed on this trip for far too long to have some dam mini-pandemic screw with my vacation.

thank god for sars, this was the mechanism that landed me in the library of los.
i get on the plane, a 747 headed to los. there were a total of 12 people on the flight. 12 dam people on the whole plane. at first we were all looking around thinking, hell ya i'll get to stretch out on this long @ss 13 hour flight. but wait, the stewardess came back and moved us all to 1st class. yup, lobster, reclining chairs, my own screen, and champlain wooooohoo. this was a sign!

we all of course spaced out and got real comfortable, eat our meal and ordered bottle after bottle of the bubbly stuff. taking a q from one of the gents sitting next to me, he said "order by the glass and hit on the stewardess when she comes around". really, i was the only one hitting on the girls, the gents were just playing grabass. really they were grabbing, stroking, feeling up the dam stewardess's!

that's what dirty old men do, lol!!!
they earned it
i can't wait to get older, you get away with so much more

halfway in to the flight the dozen of us get chatty. the flight is made up of me, going to turn 30 on this vacation, a guy you would expect to see at the local temp help agency. he was going to the philippines to meet his on-line love. the other ten guys were 60 and up. all headed to the land of smiles on there last trip finalizing the paperwork on there retirement homes. nothing special, they weren't captains of industry just middle income guys that found out about this little paradise in there 40's, and have been coming here ever sense.

the dynamic ten found out 1st how old i was, 2nd that it was my first trip to los and i had never been married ( as one of them put it, "if you are you wont be when you get back" ).
then christmas came (in may)!
the next thing you know every one of them changed seats and was sitting around me like we were having a pow wow smoke in a tepee tent. one talking over the other asking what hotel are you staying at, what city are you going to stay in, do you play golf, your only 30 - dam i wish i was 30 and know what i know now, son you are so far ahead of the game coming here at your age and your not married and no kids sh!t.

on & on & on & on then they started in on story time. just imagine the articles and pics you see and read about in the group, but have ten older gents narrating the story lines. my dam stomach hurt sooo bad, i was crying it was so dam funny! that flight took all of 5 seconds. between story time and them calling for more bubbly to play grabass with the stewardess, i have never had so much fun on a flight. think about it a 747 with 10 drunk horny old men, chasing a dozen chines stewardess's around the plane for entertainment.

i'm laughing right now while writing this, god dam it was funny!

as we came closer to bkk i kinda described what i had intended on doing for this trip. they all just nodded wrinkled there bottom lip and made a sound like hummmmm. and like pop-corn they all started chirping talking to each other and over one another; jerry & i are at the dynasty, frank tom bill & garry are at the nana, and the rest of us are heading to pattaya. mean while the plane parked and all of us are grabbing our carry-ons and starting to disembark. when one of the guys puts his arm around my shoulder and says " son tell ya what were going to do, were going to show you around town".

and this was where my first lesson began:
tourist-pricing, expat-pricing, & the thai-price. he explained as we all walked off the plane the pricing structure (something i never came across in my research) and said," we are going to show you the who-what-when-where-why-&-how of thailand. all we ask of you is to pass it on to the next bastard that escapes".

i said "i can do that chief"!!!

well come to find out these guys made up a schedule from the hip as we walked from the plane to immigration. it was like i was a long lost grandchild and the grandpa's were fighting for custody. it was hilarious! by the time we get through customs half the guys were headed to pattaya right away and the other half were going to mill about in bkk for a week then head down to pattaya. so my schedule solved the time sharing issue, lol! i was staying in bkk for the first week and then to pattaya for the last three.

every one made it through customs and i said good by an i'll see ya in a week. took there business cards and

learned lesson two:
transportation to your hotel, never take a limo - or company type transport from the airport to your hotel. only take a meter taxi and never negotiate a price, just take the meter or you will pay too much.

there is more (about 30 more lesson's), needless to say i was passed good info and this is what this board is about. to keep new-bees / the non-retired, on the right path so they don't fock it up for the rest of us. i really like the place and would like to keep it the way it is !!!

so when a member tells you good god man your paying to much learn from other peoples mistakes, your not the first one to pay to much. believe us, your service does not get better when you pay more. los is 180 degrees different then any western environment, they don't understand the western mentality. the thai’s see this as you being gullible; and has the reverse affect that westerners would think. learn from the board, we all know poon can make you do some goofy stuff. we are not here talking about crap we no nothing about we are vets and know a thing or two about this environment !!!

[Fish N Chips]

Da-Gone
Tors Ham needs to be a little more frugal, again he is under the impression that you have to pay more to get top shelf poon. He couldn't be farther from the truth.

Your right about the X-military types going over there, I'm one and I have a bunch of my guys going there. AND yes they are acting a foooool with there new found wealth. I went as far as to set up a web site for my guys so they would quit coming in to my office asking about how to do this, and how to do that???
Which also served, I hoped to educate the guys before they go over there acting a fooool.

They can't get access this site while on uncle sams Internet, so my site was slipped in under the radar and explained Prices, places to go to, places to stay away from, Tourist pricing, expat pricing, & the Thai-Price.

They are the single biggest reason for the escalation / inflation in LOS.

I have been visiting Pattaya since 1987 and my rates have changed but slightly. Until recently, I used to pay BT 300 for ST and BT 500 for LT. Only in the past two years I have noticed that the rates have gone up to ST 500 and LT 700-1000. Two months ago, I paid BT800 for LT. I think two factors affecting the rise of the rates in Pattaya: ex-army westerners who have got plenty of cash from their service in Kuwait or Iraq & affluent Arabs. Once I saw a Westerner (Farang) paying BT 3000 for a tiny chick in Soi4 and giving each waiteress BT 500. However, my rates have not changed too much. I take ladies everynight and only pay BT 800 for a LT.

[George Dickel]

Veterano,

I arrived in Pattaya today. Never done the soapy massage and would like to give it a try. Are there set prices? How much do you tip the girl?

Thanks

BKK/Pat gogo chicks roughly double that (plus BF), little cheaper in Pat, many don't do LT unless quite late

Good luck, Veterano

[Tors Ham]

Hi,

Well

1. I am a idiot or...

2. We talking about little different things.

I don’t know how many time I have been to LOS mongering but it’s only for short stops every time,

So I don’t have any bigger knowledge about the price settings (not like the vets and expats here)

I don’t know what the soi 6, 7, 8 girls wants, have never found something I like in those areas.

Takes to much of my short time to find hot girls (IMOP) there, but I know there are.
I hope the price Fish N Chips is talking about is from those areas.

In the gogos (where I usually hang out)the girls wants 1-2000 ST and 2-3500LT. depending on how hot the girls, or how hot she thinks she is.

3500 in Pattaya is a sign, (as I see it) that she doesn’t really want to go with me and I skip those ones. (a heavy Jap crowd in the bar seems to rise the price to)

The price level is around + 500 in BKK.

If the girl offer LT price I pretend that I hear 1000 less, smile and repeat it and say OK.

And usually I take down the price 500 without to much negotiation.

BF in the gogos 5-600 and the show, coyote dancer sometimes 1000 or more (usually before 24 00 then its down to 5-600)

The price level have from what I can remember gone up around 500 over the 8-9 years I have been here.

But I have never got a hot a superstar show dancer LT for less than 2500.

This prices are from my 2 trips to BKK in the end of last year and one in this year to Pattaya.

TH

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[Sami29]

A public thank you for taking the time to post recent rates.

I have been visiting Pattaya since 1987 and my rates have changed but slightly. Until recently, I used to pay BT 300 for ST and BT 500 for LT. Only in the past two years I have noticed that the rates have gone up to ST 500 and LT 700-1000. Two months ago, I paid BT800 for LT. I think two factors affecting the rise of the rates in Pattaya: ex-army westerners who have got plenty of cash from their service in Kuwait or Iraq & affluent Arabs. Once I saw a Westerner (Farang) paying BT 3000 for a tiny chick in Soi4 and giving each waiteress BT 500. However, my rates have not changed too much. I take ladies everynight and only pay BT 800 for a LT.

[HenryV]

A public thank you for taking the time to post recent rates.

ST= 300bht to 1000bht
LT= 800bht to 2000bht

and if your paying 2k you had better get all that and the kitchen sink, to include PICs

[Saibb]

Fish N Chips,

Very interesting post on your first trip. Wish my flight to LOS in 02 would have been as entertaining as yours. Even with the SARS scare, my plane was pretty much packed. At least it brought down the prices to asia.

The first thing I noticed while walking out of the airport was like God just opened the oven door. Man was it hot, even at midnight. I survived the heat and will be back for my 4th trip this fall. Once you get Thai fever, it never goes away.

Later, SB

[Veterano]

BKK/Pat gogo chicks roughly double that (plus BF), little cheaper in Pat, many don't do LT unless quite late

Good luck, Veterano

[Blunderer]

FishNChips,

Thanks for that. I like to keep abreast of current rates even though I am nowhere near there now, but, I am afraid to ask for fear of being told to RTFF - reports vary wildly and it is good to get an idea what the 'price you normally expect when you are actually there' is.

Helps with budget planning

[Fish N Chips]

ST= 300bht to 1000bht
LT= 800bht to 2000bht

and if your paying 2k you had better get all that and the kitchen sink, to include PICs

Will be visiting Bangkok & Pattaya soon for the 1st time, what is the going rate?

[HenryV]

Will be visiting Bangkok & Pattaya soon for the 1st time, what is the going rate?

TH- You mention China as being cheap, however not for much longer as the economy grows?
China is a big place, but to take the capital as an example, you should know that you wont get anything for much cheaper than what you claim to be paying in Pattaya already. 3500bht ST is the going rate with anywhere up to 7-8000bht LT should you wish longer. I sure hope your prediction doesnt come soon.
Sid