Discrimination against Foreigners in China

[SE Asia Joe]

Clan:
The one thing you've done for me is to remind me once again to never engage the ignorants - as its a total waste of time.

You quote all sorts of books, references, people; Don't you have your OWN opinion? Where's your own common sense?? What... quote and quote ... just to show everybody how well read you are? How intelligent you are??

All it shows to me is that you ain't got a lick of sense. That you are just an empty vessel sprouting off other's opinions and beliefs.

Why dontcha LEARN when you read, be challenged by new and opposing ideas - instead of just selectively chosing things that backs up your already held beliefs? Didn't your Momma and Poppa teach you nuthin' about getting along in this world?

For one, why dontcha read Boss Love's approach to life in China AND in general. From the way that the both of you describe yourselves , I'd say that you probably have the upper hand in terms of looks and ...???
BL seems to be doin' just fine with being black in China and the world (??) - what happened to you??

OK you are Black, yes there is discrimination in this world and yes there is more discrimination in China.... so WHAT??? Get over it and get on with your life. Be proud of whatever you are and be a bit more tolerant. Stop all this whining.

And please stop this stupidity of correcting grammatical/spelling errors - or answering difficult questions by going on and on off tangent....and quoting and quoting ...and..... Just reinforces my perception of your ignorance and total disregard for common sense. And NO - just coz' you can write better and/or longer don't mean that you're gonna be seen as being more intelligent.

THAT.... is IMHO.....

SEAJ

[BossLove72]

To be totally honest BL I don't know why the girls (for the most part) do not object. The one I did last night kinda fussed a little bit, then relented but later asked me to delete them. I told her I would after I viewed them. I will post later today but with covered face. She, like almost all of the girls I do, has a responsible job and it would be devastating if she were seen here.

I do bring out the camera well ahead of bed time and shoot some 'normal' pics and let her take some of me if she wants but beyond that I cannot tell why.

BTW, I agree totally with your comments regarding Clandestine and discrimination here in Asia. He is in my ignore list as I view his posts as a waste of bandwidth.
ES

Hmmm. I don't think even if tried to bring out the camera before, which I have done to take regular pics, they would not be open to the "extra" shots. So many times these girls tell me that I am so bad and these photos will just cement the fact of what we are doing. So I'll just have to keep the memories alive in my mind.

On last thing, on racism. After you have been subjected to it so often, you start to see it everywhere. I'll give you an example. After being used to having people point at me and talk about me, I take it for granted that they are talking about me and you can become SUPER SENSITIVE to everything around you. I was walking down the street here in Qingdao and saw these two girls pointing and laughing towards my way. In my mind I was starting to go through this silent rage, but then I turned to see just what they were pointing at; it was a very drunk Chinese guy stumbling and falling all over the place. If I hadn't turned around and looked, I would have just assumed it was about me. So many times after awhile, we just think things are all about us, when it is so clearly not. We do not take the others viewpoint into consideration. We have had a bad day, so can they. That's all I want to suggest to others, it may not be just about you. I sit back and just watch the girl interact with the Chinese fellows. Often the Chinese girl will want to go me, but are so afraid, they can't speak too well, if any at all. They get so pleased when they see that I can speak to them. It is amazing to see the turn around in their attitude, I mean a total 360 change. So relax and don't take it all to heart.

[Eaglestar]

Eaglestar how do you get them to take photos? I can't even reach for camera, much less to even try to snap a few pics!!!

To be totally honest BL I don't know why the girls (for the most part) do not object. The one I did last night kinda fussed a little bit, then relented but later asked me to delete them. I told her I would after I viewed them. I will post later today but with covered face. She, like almost all of the girls I do, has a responsible job and it would be devastating if she were seen here.

I do bring out the camera well ahead of bed time and shoot some 'normal' pics and let her take some of me if she wants but beyond that I cannot tell why.

BTW, I agree totally with your comments regarding Clandestine and discrimination here in Asia. He is in my ignore list as I view his posts as a waste of bandwidth.


ES

[Santa]

How about a tall and slender sichuanese white tiger, with pink nipples and a very tight twat!

Hey, where's that kind of pussy at?

[Clandestine782]

Dear all:

Clandestine continues to show how "???" he is. The good news is his pattern is usually to: 1)pop his axxhole up every few months, 2) make a complete fool of himself and 3) then bury his head back in the sand.

I will stop with additional posts for now and hope he goes back underground.

Cheers to all

From the bottom of my heart...........Kiss my ass. You didn't even answer any of the assertions that I put forth in my rebuttal (the one written in ALL CAPS). Tell me now who looks like a dumb motherfucker.

[Clandestine782]

WHAT are you going on about NOW? Lee Kuan Yue is Singaporean, Malaysia is NOT Indonesia.
Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would HELP THEMSELVES?????!!!! What kind of stupid statement is that?

Lee Kwan Yew (not Yue) is a Singaporean Chinese. I am not making the statement. This is what he himself said in his book. It's not like he's a Singapore Malaysian and has no perspective on the subject. Let's remember that the Singapore Chinese just came there 2-3 generations ago. WHAT HE SAID IN HIS BOOK WAS: Singapore separated from the Malaysian Federation because of racial issues with the local Malays, who thought that they were entitled to some of everyone's wealth because they were local people and the Chinese were foreigners. And this had a racial component. His words. Not mine. Reference: "From Third World to First."

And what has Iris Chang or New York City or the US govt got anything to do with your previous spouting “………Chinese people have been very unpopular in Indonesia and Malaysia because of their thinking that they are better than the local people (there have been riots in both places directly linked to that)….”

It is called evidence. Quoting a reference/ source. There have been more than one place that Chinese people were unpopular, and the USA is *one more example* in a list of others. So, Iris Chang's information is something that supported my original assertion about Chinese people being unpopular in other places. Malaysia and Indonesia were other examples of the same phenomenon.

You’re not only totally wrong in that statement but more stupidly, you are actually saying that the Pribumis are correct to have gone and massacred the Chinese – and the reason that it is OK to do so is that the Chinese thinks that they are better than them.

Where did you read my saying that? Don't put words into my mouth.

THAT has got to be the stupidest and most racially charged thing I’ve heard anybody say – at least anybody who has got half a brain.

It might be-- IF I HAD ACTUALLY SAID IT.

Again – WHAT are you on about?? What has what China is doing OR NOT doing got anything to do with your statement about the Indonesian Chinese?

Can you read very well? The proverb that I gave you (that was written in Chinese) is one that was introduced to me by Adeline Yen Mah. Do you know what it means in English? Or should I tell it to you? But if you understand the meaning of that proverb, you can see that it is a potential mechanism to explain some of the hostility that Chinese people encounter when they go to other places as guests and don't act like guests.

On top of that, what is so bloody terrible with China encouraging Han Chinese to go to these places (and there’s no such thing as a government directive that Han Chinese GO to Tibet or Xinjiang – the Han Chinese on their own volition go as they see economic opportunities).

That is not true. The government gives people money to go there and settle/ Sinicize those regions. In some way, it is the fault of the Uighurs that they could not get their shit together enough to be able to build a republic. The Xinjiang region has slipped in and out of Chinese sovereignty MANY times, but it looks like this last time really will be the last time. Those guys have been around for a long time (since at least the Tang Dynasty) and they will be extinct soon enough. Note that Chinese people occupied Vietnam for a very long time and that Korea was once a suzerain of China. Korea and Vietnam were the only places that managed to successfully resist being Sinicized. Mongolia did, but they lost 1/2 of their territory.

Do you see anything wrong with the US government giving incentives for people to move to some blighted places i.e. inner city, Harlem etc?

Most definitely. But the issue of whether I support the US government trying to spend someone else's money (regardless of the reason) is beyond the scope of this issue (which is, for the record, proposing some reasonable mechanism to explain why Chinese people go around the world and get such a bad reaction in many places).

Chinese go to any place that they perceive as offering them better economic opportunities, work hard…very hard.. and don’t go about worrying about all the injustices or bigotry or any other disadvantages there…. And achieve the kind of economic and social success that intelligent natives look up to.

Was that the point? I could point out that Chinese people actually aren't any special case rather than self-selection. It just happens that in China the government has not been able to get its shit together for CENTURIES, and so the people with half a brain will go somewhere where the government is stable/ non Chinese and make money. Those people are SELF SELECTED. So, the people that went to other countries would have been the better people even in China- if China had learned enough to attract and keep its talented people over the years. But, they just didn't. This issue is dealt with a bit in "Knowledge and Decision" (a book by Thomas Sowell on said topic). If the Chinese people that went abroad were a representative of the population at large, then that population wouldn't be abroad, because they would be able to make money at home. (Do you see any Japanese diaspora communities- other than the US and Brazil?)

YOU – you’re such a bad representative of your race – because of the chip on your shoulder.

Nothing of the sort. I am not making up these statements-- and you (and that asshole Traveler1234) keep trying to explain away my statements based on my motives for making them rather than dealing with the facts of what I have written. I can also quote a couple of other books that I have read about the Chinese sense of superiority making them enemies. This was not the point of these books, but something that came up peripherally. Carl Crow. 400 million customers. Jasper Becker. The Chinese. Also (I believe) David Landes. The Wealth and Poverty of Nations.

Calm down???!! This is typical of you – you come out with blatant and offensive statements…. And then expect your counter party to just take it all in and…. Calm down. Is this what you do in real life….and thus the reason for you experiencing what you think of/perceive as being Bigotry…instead of a normal person’s natural reaction to such IGNORANCE ON YOUR PART?

No one seems to know what the word "ignorance" means. It is about being WRONG ON THE FACTS, not taking a position that another disagrees with. So, I could say that Karl Marx was being ignorant when he put forth the Labor Theory of Value because he was WRONG ON THE FACTS, and not because I categorically didn't like what he had to say. The statements that I am making can be referenced by the sources that I quoted.

What else??? What else??? Howzabout first getting rid of that humongous chip you have on your shoulder. Howzabout you stop attributing everything to the fact that you are black. OK, you ARE black – but could it be other things that makes people treat you the way that they do? Your attitude and frame of mind is a much more important factor than saying things in Chinese – as attitude is what counts in ALL discourse.

And if you had read some of my earlier posts, such as my having the experience many times of walking up to a hotel or a motorcycle driver and asking how much it was to get from some place to another and having them brush you off like they were too busy to be bothered? Another time, I went into Macau and asked (in Chinese) how to get to the airport from McDonald's (the guy to whom I asked it was a Mainland Chinese-- I could tell by his dress and teeth), and he said something like: "Don't bother me." And he had that smug look on his face that I have seen 1,000 times. I didn't walk up to him and ask to see his snatch and I spoke to him in Chinese. So what else could have been the issue in that case?

The Chinese – and indeed any other decent immigrants to any country – stay in their new homeland and take EVERYTHING in. Whether good or bad. If bad, the with a grain of salt or just let it pass. That is how Boss Love seems to me to be handling the fact that there is discrimination in China. YOU??? You want everybody you deal with to change and cater to what you want, you expect…and demand that everything is to your desires. Get over it man – the world – and certainly China – don’t owe you nuthin’
SEAJ
PS. I again apologize to one and all here for perhaps having written some things which are not gentlemanly and perhaps even shows my own ignorance – but Clandestine really gets to me!

There is no hamster in your wheel. When did I say that the world owed me anything? This thread was started by another guy, and I added some supporting examples. No more, no less.

[BossLove72]

And yes, I agree, lets all get along. I for one take Boss Love's attitude when confronted with bigotry/racism - Its the stupid mother F.....r that is ignorant/that's got the problem - not me.... and move along[/QUOTE]Boy, how far have we gotten from not getting pussy in China to Malay's hating Chinese. LKY, the great Father of Singapore, (any real true Singaporean would never say or type his whole name in respect for him) has done so much for this small country. I love this place. There are so many reasons for the problems, not so much race, but MONEY and WATER that has caused so many fights.

Nevertheless, let me add my two kuai to this discussion.

Moody, you are well informed and well intentioned and I totally understand and agree with you on many outlooks, except this one: blacks can totally be racists. So many times we discriminate against other blacks, as I've seen chinese do against other chinese. People are people, when it comes down to it we will always find something to make someone different. Noses, height, eyes, fat or thin... always something. However Moody is dead right on about the treatment of american blacks. I have gone and encountered far too many followings and being a "potential" robbery suspect. It is a tough life and I would never wish this life on my worst enemy. It will make many bitter and jaded, where others in this forum may be now after going through a lifetime of injustices. I chose not to let it get the best of me. Although I do have my times where I am so severely challenged all I can do is just bear it. It does no good to let the ignorant ones get the best of you.

Thanks to the others, who do realize that people do suffer slings and arrows everyday, not just me but so many others. I know ABC's, BBC's & CBC's who can't get a job to teach English when I see so many people who can't even speak a proper English sentence get a job, because they are blue eyed and blond. Go figure! It's sadly a fact of life. It is how we deal with it. As I have said before, don't let them get the best of you. When you do, they win and everyone loses.

Look no more comments from me on this issue. I think that I have gotten my point across and others can understand what I was trying to say. In fact, I have been quite too busy to write to you guys, since I've been fucking about four girls now regularly with no P4P status. Two are 20 somethings who just want to hang out with me. We have lots of fun. Another is a 36 Divorced mother of a 12 old boy who has only fucked her ex-husband in her life, so she loves all the things that I do to her, something or other also said about size... Then I also have a WG who is now something like a gf. She comes and makes me dinner and cleans my apartment. I teach her English and we hang out. It's rather nice, getting little time to relax and space them all out to avoid them from running into each other now. Eaglestar how do you get them to take photos? I can't even reach for camera, much less to even try to snap a few pics!!!

My doorman hates me or is just plain envious. So it is a good life at times; you just need to balance your life at times. You have good times and at times tougher ones. Overall, it just an adventure.

Relax and just enjoy life. You'll never get out of it alive anyway.

[BossLove72]

And yes, I agree, lets all get along. I for one take Boss Love's attitude when confronted with bigotry/racism - Its the stupid mother F.....r that is ignorant/that's got the problem - not me.... and move along[/QUOTE]Boy, how far have we gotten from not getting pussy in China to Malay's hating Chinese. LKY, the great Father of Singapore, (any real true Singaporean would never say or type his whole name in respect for him) has done so much for this small country. I love this place. There are so many reasons for the problems, not so much race, but MONEY and WATER that has caused so many fights.

Nevertheless, let me add my two kuai to this discussion.

Moody, you are well informed and well intentioned and I totally understand and agree with you on many outlooks, except this one: blacks can totally be racists. So many times we discriminate against other blacks, as I've seen Chinese do against other Chinese. People are people, when it comes down to it we will always find something to make someone different. Noses, height, eyes, fat or thin. Always something. However Moody is dead right on about the treatment of american blacks. I have gone and encountered far too many followings and being a "potential" robbery suspect. It is a tough life and I would never wish this life on my worst enemy. It will make many bitter and jaded, where others in this forum may be now after going through a lifetime of injustices. I chose not to let it get the best of me. Although I do have my times where I am so severely challenged all I can do is just bear it. It does no good to let the ignorant ones get the best of you.

Thanks to the others, who do realize that people do suffer slings and arrows everyday, not just me but so many others. I know ABC's, BBC's & CBC's who can't get a job to teach English when I see so many people who can't even speak a proper English sentence get a job, because they are blue eyed and blond. Go figure! It's sadly a fact of life. It is how we deal with it. As I have said before, don't let them get the best of you. When you do, they win and everyone loses.

Look no more comments from me on this issue. I think that I have gotten my point across and others can understand what I was trying to say. In fact, I have been quite too busy to write to you guys, since I've been fucking about four girls now regularly with no P4P status. Two are 20 somethings who just want to hang out with me. We have lots of fun. Another is a 36 Divorced mother of a 12 old boy who has only fucked her ex-husband in her life, so she loves all the things that I do to her, something or other also said about size. Then I also have a WG.

[Traveler1234]

Dear all:

Clandestine continues to show how "???" he is. The good news is his pattern is usually to: 1)pop his axxhole up every few months, 2) make a complete fool of himself and 3) then bury his head back in the sand.

I will stop with additional posts for now and hope he goes back underground.

Cheers to all

[TenthFloor]

Newbie question.

Does anybody know where I can find a chinese mountain pygmy with big hooters and gives good head? No more than 200rmb

Not so demanding newbie question: Where to find Chinese girls with green eyes?

Big trouble in little China.

[Santa]

Newbie question.

Where can I find a hot chinese mountain pygmy with big hooters and gives good head?

[SE Asia Joe]

There are these things called books and newspapers. I know that there have been more than one riot in both of those places from reading those wonderful things. Lee Kwan Yew was someone that documented those things, and it was part of the reason that Singapore separated from the Malaysian federation. Malaysians and the Chinese didn't see eye to eye about more than one thing. (The local Malays [pribumi/ bumiputra] thought that Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would help themselves to it.)

WHAT are you going on about NOW? Lee Kuan Yue is Singaporean, Malaysia is NOT Indonesia.
Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would HELP THEMSELVES?????!!!! What kind of stupid statement is that?

It may have been something like that, but there are other possibilities. If you go to New York Chinatown, you will see that those people have put Chinese characters on the street signs--above the English words (and this may be permissible since the idiots in the US government have never gotten around to making English the official language of the United States), but that is not what I would call acting as guests in another person's country. More like gate-crashers.

Iris Chang went on about how Chinese people got a cool reception in the United States in her book "The Chinese in America" (a good read, and I think that I completed it just as I found out that she had killed herself). She pointed out that: 1) Chinese people signed up in the US military in high numbers because they believed that they the US mission was to defend China from attack by Japan (no other reason); 2) That the reception that Chinese people got was not good from the local people because of aforementioned obnoxious behavior.

And what has Iris Chang or New York City or the US govt got anything to do with your previous spouting “………Chinese people have been very unpopular in Indonesia and Malaysia because of their thinking that they are better than the local people (there have been riots in both places directly linked to that)….”

You’re not only totally wrong in that statement but more stupidly, you are actually saying that the Pribumis are correct to have gone and massacred the Chinese – and the reason that it is OK to do so is that the Chinese thinks that they are better than them. THAT has got to be the stupidest and most racially charged thing I’ve heard anybody say – at least anybody who has got half a brain.

This is a sex guide, but you opened the topic.....I can also go on about how much of China in its current state has been slowly added as a result of Han people going there and overrunning the local people (read: Xinjiang and Tibet). If they do it there, why would they not try to do the same thing in other places? And if they didn't do that, why would they receive such a hostile reaction from local people in so many places? 人 心 歸 漢 is a famous Chinese proverb-- and one that you will see posted in a lot of places where Chinese people live (in other countries).

Again – WHAT are you on about?? What has what China is doing OR NOT doing got anything to do with your statement about the Indonesian Chinese? On top of that, what is so bloody terrible with China encouraging Han Chinese to go to these places (and there’s no such thing as a government directive that Han Chinese GO to Tibet or Xinjiang – the Han Chinese on their own volition go as they see economic opportunities). Do you see anything wrong with the US government giving incentives for people to move to some blighted places i.e. inner city, Harlem etc?
Chinese go to any place that they perceive as offering them better economic opportunities, work hard…very hard.. and don’t go about worrying about all the injustices or bigotry or any other disadvantages there…. And achieve the kind of economic and social success that intelligent natives look up to.
YOU – you’re such a bad representative of your race – because of the chip on your shoulder.

Calm down. All human beings are a result of evolution. I just happen to think that Asian women are the BEST result (and black women the worst). I think that a good description of all the good aspects of Asian women would put me beyond the word limit for a single posting, so I'll leave that alone. How many other guys come here and appreciate the women and that is the reason that they stay in China? How is it so inflammatory when *I* say it? (Technically, I might add that some people could say that black people are closest to CHIMPANZEES, but monkeys and the great apes are two totally different branches of evolution. Separated by MILLIONS of years. But that is another story, and one for taxonomy-- although I have certainly heard the "monkey" thing in China many times before. "Pongid" was a word that I once heard used.)

Calm down???!! This is typical of you – you come out with blatant and offensive statements…. And then expect your counter party to just take it all in and…. Calm down. Is this what you do in real life….and thus the reason for you experiencing what you think of/perceive as being Bigotry…instead of a normal person’s natural reaction to such IGNORANCE ON YOUR PART?

When I say "sensitive to local culture," I do what most people would think of as sensitive under those circumstances. I speak the language of the people (literally, I do everything in Mandarin and don't ask for anything to be done in English on my behalf). I also give up my seat when an old person is on a bus (the same thing that civilized people do). For the brevity of most transactions on a daily basis, what else could one do?

What else??? What else??? Howzabout first getting rid of that humongous chip you have on your shoulder. Howzabout you stop attributing everything to the fact that you are black. OK, you ARE black – but could it be other things that makes people treat you the way that they do? Your attitude and frame of mind is a much more important factor than saying things in Chinese – as attitude is what counts in ALL discourse.

. Three words: Abundant..........Asian.............Vagina. I might ask the same thing about Chinese people in other countries. If 人 心 歸 漢 (as a lot of Chinese people say), why don't they go back to China to be with said people? I'll come and go to China and put my face into every vagina that I can get it into-- and not feel bad about it, even if some of the negative aspects about those times between meals do come up here in this guide and I make comments about them.

The Chinese – and indeed any other decent immigrants to any country – stay in their new homeland and take EVERYTHING in. Whether good or bad. If bad, the with a grain of salt or just let it pass. That is how Boss Love seems to me to be handling the fact that there is discrimination in China. YOU??? You want everybody you deal with to change and cater to what you want, you expect…and demand that everything is to your desires. Get over it man – the world – and certainly China – don’t owe you nuthin’
SEAJ
PS. I again apologize to one and all here for perhaps having written some things which are not gentlemanly and perhaps even shows my own ignorance – but Clandestine really gets to me!

[SE Asia Joe]

SEA Joe,

Why can BossLover face day to day discrimination in China but Clandestine cannot?

Getting very confusing now, we have Asians/Whites defending blacks in racial injustice, blacks accusing Chinese discrimination, Chinese defending Chinese from racism against blacks, black hating blacks, Chinese hating Chinese, and I’m sure we’d all be on a cute BBS girl like white on rice.

Can we all just get along?

HT

Boss Love knows that there is racism in China (which is undeniable) but attributes it to the ignorance of the particular perpetrator...easily dismisses it as such and gets on with life.
Clandestine attributes everything - whether being refused service or people not understanding him, or even the plain ole reason that not everybody wants to have anything to do with any particular person (whether black, yelllow, white etc)- solely to him being black. To me - AND this from his postings about how he approaches and reacts to situations - this points to problems with him.
In his postings, he berates/has something against just about everybody and come back to his old saw - that it is because he is black.
No, Clandestine has problems as a PERSON, and not only because he is black.
SEAJ

And yes, I agree, lets all get along. I for one take Boss Love's attitude when confronted with bigotry/racism - Its the stupid mother F.....r that is ignorant/that's got the problem - not me.... and move along

[Bill Lee]

It may have been something like that, but there are other possibilities. If you go to New York Chinatown, you will see that those people have put Chinese characters on the street signs--above the English words (and this may be permissible since the idiots in the US government have never gotten around to making English the official language of the United States), but that is not what I would call acting as guests in another person's country. More like gate-crashers.

These street signs with Chinese characters are put up by the city government for decades to lend more ethnicity to Chinatown for the tourists, most of them Caucasians.

The Chinese in New York City has no real political power in government. You are making this out to be again, an one sided story. You don't know anything about the signs in New York. Are you even aware that the telephone booths has pagoda designs in Chinatown since the seventies? What power do you think the Chinese have over the phone company?

The city celebrates the diffierent ethnicity of its citizens and certainly do not find the Chinese to be "gate-crasher." What you overlooked is the fact that New York City has many races and ethnicity in different neighbors and it welcomes its immigrant population and promotes them.

How much political power do you think that the 250,000 or so Chinese in New York City have over a population of 8 million people? Most of those Chinese don't even vote.

Here's Wikipedia's breakdown of the New York City population:

Ethnic composition
New York City is a minority-majority city, or one in which people self-identified as nonwhite dominate demographically. In 2005 44% of the population was identified as white. 25.3% of the population was black or African American, 11.6% was Asian and 0.4% were American Indian. Another 17% belonged to other racial categories and 1.6% of New Yorkers identified themselves as belonging to more than one race.

Just another one of your one sided statement.

Regarding your post, "Chinese people are not welcome in many places in the world because they have some VERY BAD HABITS." You don't know anything about Chinese at all and you generalize too much. Let's be specific. In New York City, the Chinese and the rest of the Asian population are the preferred tenants in many up-scale neighborhoods, over you know who? Blacks. Because the blacks have "very bad habits."


Bill

[Clandestine782]

Inserts in ALL CAPS.

Let me get this right, your argument (thought process) is:

1. I read a study that someone wrote saying prevalence of Hep B causes shortage of women in China (but not in other countries? (my italics).

WHAT I READ WAS A STUDY THAT SAID THAT THE SHORTAGE OF FEMALES COULD BE 60% EXPLAINED BY HEPATITIS RATES. IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ THE *WHOLE ARTICLE* (AS IN, THE ORIGINAL) INSTEAD OF SHOOTING OFF YOUR MOUTH, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE RATES OF HEPATITIS IN CHINA ARE HIGHER THAN IN OTHER PLACES.

2. Chinese prefer males to females so selectively abort female fetus.

THIS IS TRUE. AND THERE ARE OTHER PRIMARY ARTICLES GIVEN IN THE ORIGINAL OSTER ARTICLE (AND MANY OTHERS, FOR THAT MATTER) THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT THE SEX RATIO FOR THIRD AND FOURTH CHILDREN IS SOMETHING LIKE 220:100, AS WELL AS THE SEX RATIO FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION BEING SOMETHING LIKE 120:100.

3. #1 & 2 result in 'shortage' of females and thus p4p prices are artificially inflated for local chinese.

IT COULD BE THAT. OR IT COULD BE THAT THAT IS JUST WHAT LOCAL MEN ARE WILLING TO PAY. BUT GIVEN THAT A LOT OF MEN WON'T FIND GIRLFRIENDS (BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE TO BE FOUND), THEN THE PRICE WOULD HAVE TO GO UP. (SAME WAY THAT THE PRICE OF COCAINE IN THE UNITED STATES IS HIGHER BECAUSE OF ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS ON SUPPLY-- I.E., DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.) I CAN SAY FOR SURE THAT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT BLACK MEN PAY FOR SEX IN AMERICA (AND THE NUMBER OF MEN WHO PAY FOR SEX) IS MUCH LOWER. I CAN'T PROVE CONCLUSIVELY THAT IT'S EITHER BECAUSE BLACK WOMEN AREN'T THAT SOFT TO LOOK AT (THEY AREN'T AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED) OR THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH BLACK WOMEN AROUND FOR EVERY BLACK MAN TO HAVE ONE AND SOME TO HAVE TWO (THIS IS, IN FACT, TRUE).

4. And because females can survive in this type of hostile environment, by result of evolution, they are the greatest in the world (greatest in what: sex, cooking, working??).

NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I SAID THAT ASIAN GIRLS (ORIENTAL ONES FIRST AND AUSTRONESIAN ONES SECOND) ARE THE BEST RESULT OF EVOLUTION BECAUSE I FIND THEM TO BE THE BEST LOOKING WOMEN ON EARTH. SO, IF I HAD COME ALONG BEFORE, SAY 250,000 YEARS AGO (WHICH IS THOUGHT TO BE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HUMAN BEINGS HAVE LOOKED LIKE THEY DO) AND THERE WERE NO ASIAN GIRLS, THEN I WOULD LIVE A MISERABLE EXISTENCE. (WHEN I AM BACK IN THE STATES WHERE THEY ARE FEW IN NUMBER, I LIVE A PRETTY BAD EXISTENCE.) SO, ONE MORE TIME: *WHATEVER IT IS* THAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 250,000 YEARS THAT CREATED THE EXISTENCE OF ASIAN GIRLS HAS MADE THEM THE BEST LOOKING THINGS ON THE EARTH. A MAJORITY OF WESTERN MEN WOULD AGREE. SO, THEY ARE THE BEST *LOOKING* WOMEN ON EARTH.

Did I get it right?

NO. NO. NO.

And you want us to believe this...ROFLMAO

IF YOU READ MY CLARIFICATIONS, YOU SHOULD STOP "ROFLMAO."

PS - and by the way, these same great women are racists because they won't have sex with a 'brother', right???

IF YOU GO OVER YOUR NOTES, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY "ACE OF SPADES" THAT STARTED WITH SAYING THAT HE COULD NOT GET LAID OUTSIDE OF P4P. I WOULD AGREE THAT A LOT OF THE CHINESE GIRLS WILL BE WITH WHITE GUYS THAT ARE MISSING TEETH/ LIMBS/ HAIR AND HAVE THE IQ OF A GERBIL *BEFORE* THEY WOULD BE WITH AN EDUCATED BLACK MAN. I CAN'T PROVE THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF "RACISM"-- AND IN ANY CASE, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED THEN I JUST TAKE THAT INTO MY CALCULATIONS (AS IN HOW MUCH TIME IT IS WORTH SPENDING ON ONE GIRL AGAINST THE CHANCE THAT SOMEONE SUITABLE WILL COME ALONG) AND KEEP ON MOVING. WHAT'S MORE: THE *REASONS* THAT SOMEONE WILL ALLOW ME ACCESS TO HER VAGINA ARE ULTIMATELY NOT AS RELEVANT AS THE FACT THAT SHE IS NOT A POSSIBILITY. (I DO WONDER, THOUGH, WHETHER THE IMPRESSIONS THAT THE GIRLS HAVE HAD AFTER MEETING UNDEODORIZED BLACK AFRICANS HAVE MADE IT WORSE FOR WESTERN/ EUROPEAN BLACK MEN.)