Discrimination against Foreigners in China

[Clandestine782]

Even you saying your innocuous (in your mind)"hello" to the drunk locals on your jogs. What, at 1 or 2 in the morning? Chinese by nature is already quite reticent to strangers, but even in the States, say you do that at 2 in the morning and it just happens that you've startled him (quite likely) , what do you think will happen?

Let me qualify that statement.

1. A bar is the perfect context for a fight to happen. So, my saying something to someone who is staring at me during a jog (I never live in big cities- only in the countryside or third or fourth tier cities) expectantly will never come to any harm and is not quite the same context. Usually, I will say "Hello," and they will say "Hello" right back. It is only when people stare or give me the expectant look or tap their friends and say something like "Look, here comes a hello" that they get "hello" and that winning smile.

2. Thanks for not thinking of it as a flame war.

3. The guy who was attacked in the bar may not have been acting like a bad guy. After all, the music in the bars is so loud that you can scarcely say enough intelligible words to insult someone.

4. Living in the United States, I have found that drunk white people are harmless. They might do is say something weird. Drunk black people are best steered clear of. They might shoot you. (Troy Davis.)

5. And I beg to differ. I attest to the fact that the men here DO have a very wounded sense of superiority. It comes out in many other contexts. I remember once stopping to pet a cat (I am fond of animals) and someone told me: "This cat only likes Chinese people." That has happened more than once. I can understand Mandarin quite well, and it has happened MANY times that I have gone somewhere and spoken to someone who has put on a big show of not understanding me- waving their hands dismissively. (I NEVER speak English to any local person as a first choice. And if they speak to me in English first, then I answer them in Chinese.) You can tell from their facial expression that they understand what is being said. You can know that when you used that dialogue last week at the same place, it got the same task accomplished. It is just that ONE person behind that desk / counter that is trying to find some petty, childish way to put themselves in a position of strength or to sneer at a foreign person. (If they can't understand my Chinese, then the subtext must be: "Oh, you foreign barbarian. I can't understand your talk. You can't speak the language of the pure and perfect Han race.")

6. With respect, if you saw a Chinese man go into a bar of black biotches (which, logically, should happen a lot more often- generally less agreeable men making a market out of generally less agreeable women) and decide that he wanted to take home two or three that night, I don't think you would see ANY black man ANYWHERE get all hot under the collar about it. For men (of any color) who have a stomach for black women (I don't) there are plenty enough of them to go around. No need to fight / kill each other. But in this case of Chinese women (owing to the Chinese penchant for sex selective abortion) , there really AREN'T enough of that perfect commodity to go around. (The Chinese women are physically perfect in EVERY SINGLE WAY. God was at the top of his game when he made them.) So, every foreign man's gain really IS a Chinese man's loss.

[SE Asia Joe]

This is not what you think it is. I don't drink or smoke, but I do take walks a night. When I am out walking (sober, unlike most of the Chinese men at these clubs) , I pass clubs. On some occasions, I have taken it upon myself to go in and count (and strangely enough, the bouncers, employees can see what I am doing and after about 4 minutes of counting without buying any drinks they show me right out). What I have seen in this: The ratio of males to females in those places is something like: 3-4:1. Now think about this: You have a bunch of guys going into a place paying 10 times more for coke and beer than it costs anywhere else in the country because they think that they are going to be sinking their face into vagina that evening. (But most of them won't be anyway.) I pass by bars and see Chinese men fighting with EACH OTHER. Let me spell it out:

1. Drunk Chinese men.

2. Who have spent a lot of money for drinks for women that they are not going to get.

3. Who have a really wounded sense of superiority and need only a tiny little push to start fighting.

4. Who ALWAYS fight in groups. (You have NEVER seen a one-on-one fight in China. Not when Chinese people are fighting each other, nor when they are fighting foreigners.)

5. Who have not had sex with women in a little while (if ever) both because of being short on game, and because there just aren't enough women to get. (We have talked about this topic / had a flame war a few years back, the sex imbalance in China. I have done a yahoo search and then done a search restriction to articles that just cover this topic within the *last month. Results:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...tabs_popular=1

http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/c...-118100/44431/

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-0...t_25466660.htm

).

If you crunch the numbers, it works out to something like 130:100 (males to females) of bar aged people.

6. Do the math. (This math is simple enough for even a black person to understand *sarcastic smirk- like the one that is doing it right now. And even simple enough for a black person to reason through- like the black person that is reasoning through it now *eyebrows raised, derisive smirk*).100 Chinese men in a bar. 25 women. 1 foreign man. 75 of those men wouldn't have gotten a woman anyway. But one single foreign man can become the target of rage of 75 angry little men with short penises if he even so much as looks in the direction of one of the local women. Or if he even brings his own, every single one of those men is thinking "It's because of that guy that I am going home to rub one out into a sock tonight. If it wasn't for him, I would be enjoying Female Odor Momentos!"

So, the attack was not quite provoked, but there IS a such thing as contributory negligence (by doing something stupid like, say, going into a bar with a bunch of sexually frustrated Chinese men who can't get women of their own because of inherent scarcity or whatever reason and who have had alcohol). I've been in China for approaching 9 years now, and I go running every night at 1 or 2 in the morning and say "Hello" to all the drunk people on the way, and I have not been attacked one single time.

Do you mean to tell me these US consulate employees were so fucking stupid that they didn't know their surroundings even *that* well? Give me a fucking break.

Just to make sure that you NOT think that I'm just trying to spam / start a flame war, please understand that I am just trying to bring out another POV.

First, I definitely agree with your title "contributory negligence" for indeed I do observe that there are just too many foreigners in China who are just totally unaware of what their presence means; and I'm talking about the stereotypical "Ugly" American and / or other foreign nationals who comes here and really are "ugly." And how these blowhards definitely leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the locals against ALL foreigners.

And there is like you pointed out, just common sense and how some foreigners armed with an inebriated mind AND Dollars and Euros or whatever, think that since they are comparatively wealthy (something which they do NOT think when at their own home) , then proceeds to be extra obnoxious. And their own prejudices. Even thinking they're "angry little men with short penises". Makes for a volatile combination.

And lets put this in the context of another country; say you're in London and in your path is a drunken football crowd spilling out of a pub. Do you just walk straight ahead instead of crossing the street? No matter what colour you are? And especially if you've got a Lady friend with you?

Even you saying your innocuous (in your mind)"hello" to the drunk locals on your jogs. What, at 1 or 2 in the morning? Chinese by nature is already quite reticent to strangers, but even in the States, say you do that at 2 in the morning and it just happens that you've startled him (quite likely) , what do you think will happen?

Anyway, my point is that one needs to be VERY cognizant of one's own surroundings no matter where you are and that shit happens everywhere.

SEAN

[Clandestine782]

Welcome to repost

[Dan Diggler]

This is not what you think it is. I don't drink or smoke, but I do take walks a night. When I am out walking (sober, unlike most of the Chinese men at these clubs) , I pass clubs. On some occasions, I have taken it upon myself to go in and count (and strangely enough, the bouncers, employees can see what I am doing and after about 4 minutes of counting without buying any drinks they show me right out). What I have seen in this: The ratio of males to females in those places is something like: 3-4:1. Now think about this: You have a bunch of guys going into a place paying 10 times more for coke and beer than it costs anywhere else in the country because they think that they are going to be sinking their face into vagina that evening. (But most of them won't be anyway.) I pass by bars and see Chinese men fighting with EACH OTHER. Let me spell it out:

1. Drunk Chinese men.

2. Who have spent a lot of money for drinks for women that they are not going to get.

3. Who have a really wounded sense of superiority and need only a tiny little push to start fighting.

4. Who ALWAYS fight in groups. (You have NEVER seen a one-on-one fight in China. Not when Chinese people are fighting each other, nor when they are fighting foreigners.)

5. Who have not had sex with women in a little while (if ever) both because of being short on game, and because there just aren't enough women to get. (We have talked about this topic / had a flame war a few years back, the sex imbalance in China. I have done a yahoo search and then done a search restriction to articles that just cover this topic within the *last month. Results:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...tabs_popular=1

http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/c...-118100/44431/

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-0...t_25466660.htm

).

If you crunch the numbers, it works out to something like 130:100 (males to females) of bar aged people.

6. Do the math. (This math is simple enough for even a black person to understand *sarcastic smirk- like the one that is doing it right now. And even simple enough for a black person to reason through- like the black person that is reasoning through it now *eyebrows raised, derisive smirk*).100 Chinese men in a bar. 25 women. 1 foreign man. 75 of those men wouldn't have gotten a woman anyway. But one single foreign man can become the target of rage of 75 angry little men with short penises if he even so much as looks in the direction of one of the local women. Or if he even brings his own, every single one of those men is thinking "It's because of that guy that I am going home to rub one out into a sock tonight. If it wasn't for him, I would be enjoying Female Odor Momentos!"

So, the attack was not quite provoked, but there IS a such thing as contributory negligence (by doing something stupid like, say, going into a bar with a bunch of sexually frustrated Chinese men who can't get women of their own because of inherent scarcity or whatever reason and who have had alcohol). I've been in China for approaching 9 years now, and I go running every night at 1 or 2 in the morning and say "Hello" to all the drunk people on the way, and I have not been attacked one single time.

Do you mean to tell me these US consulate employees were so fucking stupid that they didn't know their surroundings even *that* well? Give me a fucking break.

Well written. Would like to repost on some other sites, if this is ok.

This applies across the world. Not just here. Granted there is more focus due to the lastest events here.

Try walking the streets in nightclub hot spots in Australia at 1-4am and see how out of control mob volience is.

[Clandestine782]

This is not what you think it is. I don't drink or smoke, but I do take walks a night. When I am out walking (sober, unlike most of the Chinese men at these clubs) , I pass clubs. On some occasions, I have taken it upon myself to go in and count (and strangely enough, the bouncers, employees can see what I am doing and after about 4 minutes of counting without buying any drinks they show me right out). What I have seen in this: The ratio of males to females in those places is something like: 3-4:1. Now think about this: You have a bunch of guys going into a place paying 10 times more for coke and beer than it costs anywhere else in the country because they think that they are going to be sinking their face into vagina that evening. (But most of them won't be anyway.) I pass by bars and see Chinese men fighting with EACH OTHER. Let me spell it out:

1. Drunk Chinese men.

2. Who have spent a lot of money for drinks for women that they are not going to get.

3. Who have a really wounded sense of superiority and need only a tiny little push to start fighting.

4. Who ALWAYS fight in groups. (You have NEVER seen a one-on-one fight in China. Not when Chinese people are fighting each other, nor when they are fighting foreigners.)

5. Who have not had sex with women in a little while (if ever) both because of being short on game, and because there just aren't enough women to get. (We have talked about this topic / had a flame war a few years back, the sex imbalance in China. I have done a yahoo search and then done a search restriction to articles that just cover this topic within the *last month. Results:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...tabs_popular=1

http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/c...-118100/44431/

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-0...t_25466660.htm

If you crunch the numbers, it works out to something like 130:100 (males to females) of bar aged people.

6. Do the math. [Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin] 100 Chinese men in a bar. 25 women. 1 foreign man. 75 of those men wouldn't have gotten a woman anyway. But one single foreign man can become the target of rage of 75 angry little men with short penises if he even so much as looks in the direction of one of the local women. Or if he even brings his own, every single one of those men is thinking "It's because of that guy that I am going home to rub one out into a sock tonight. If it wasn't for him, I would be enjoying Female Odor Momentos!"

So, the attack was not quite provoked, but there IS a such thing as contributory negligence (by doing something stupid like, say, going into a bar with a bunch of sexually frustrated Chinese men who can't get women of their own because of inherent scarcity or whatever reason and who have had alcohol). I've been in China for approaching 9 years now, and I go running every night at 1 or 2 in the morning and say "Hello" to all the drunk people on the way, and I have not been attacked one single time.

Do you mean to tell me these US consulate employees were so fucking stupid that they didn't know their surroundings even *that* well? Give me a fucking break.

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[Kajos]

This email sent out today by the US Embassy:

In the early morning hours of Saturday, June 9, a group of local nationals assaulted an employee of the USA Embassy in Beijing inside the Element nightclub, located on the west side of Workers' Stadium near Sanlitun. The employee, who was out with some colleagues, was hit in the head with a sharp object as he was dancing away from the group. According to witnesses, the employee fell to the floor and was repeatedly beaten and kicked in the head by individuals serving as bouncers for the nightclub. By all accounts, the attack was unprovoked.

This is not the first report of violence directed at USA citizens in the nightclubs outside of Workers' Stadium. In September 2010, another employee of the USA Embassy in Beijing was assaulted inside a different nightclub at the north end of Workers' Stadium in another unprovoked incident. Private USA citizens have also reported being victims of crime in the nearby area.

USA citizens are reminded to use caution when enjoying the nightlife in Beijing. Maintaining an awareness of your surroundings and keeping a low profile are critical to avoiding potential problems.

The USA Embassy can be reached 24 hours per day. During business hours, call 86-10-8531-4000 or email amcitbeijing@state.gov <mailto:amcitbeijing@state.gov. For emergencies after hours or on weekends, call 86-10-8531-3000. The Embassy is located near the Line 10 LiangMaQiao subway stop at 55 An Jia Lou Road, Chaoyang District. The Embassy's website is.

http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn

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http://chengdu.usembassy-china.org.c...y-china.org.cn

If you are residing or traveling in China, we recommend that you enroll with the USA Embassy's Smart Traveler Enrollment Program at:

https://travelregistration.state.gov

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https://travelregistration.state.gov

You should also regularly monitor the Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet website at.

http://travel.state.gov

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http://travel.state.gov/

While living or traveling abroad.

[Kajos]

Much more violence against foreigners in Beijing. Be careful out there!

See this link and be sure to read the comments.

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijin...ague-sanlitun/

"I have three foreign girlfriends who have been at kicked in the head and bashed by Chinese gangs in the past 6 months. Two were flown to their countries for emergency facial surgery. They were French and German. I also have two german friends who were left for dead in a basement carpark after being bashed so hard by a gang that even the hospitals thought they would die. I myself have had three separate people yelling at me to 'go back to where I come from' in the past three days."

"about two week sago, on the way home from work at about 10pm in the backstreets of wudaokou I was assaulted by Chinese man although there were 3 men present. I don't wish to go into details but I reported it to the police the following afternoon as I was to scared to go immediatelyto apolice station. Needless to say I was les than impressed with the police officers. I was at the station for 3 hours and they blamed me for causing this asault (I am female, aparentlywomn should be home before dark!). They also defended my attackers saying that they were probably just drunks, depite the fac that it was a Tuesday night. Lasly they told me, despite my 4 years in China and my ability to speak Chinese, that my attacker probably wasnt Chinese but rather korean or japanese and that foreigners can't tell the difference between Chinese people and any oither _sian. Lastly, seeing that the police would not investigate despite take my statement, I called my embassy who informed me th unfortunately they can offer little help except warn other embassies and oer citizens to be more careful. I suggest women I particular to be careful so they don't get hurt, I was smat in the way I behaved an avoid being really hurt but please be careful as it seems these retaliations are happening all over beijing."

"As an expat who has lived here for about 7 years, I feel that the mood has been changing and that violence against foreigners is on the rise. I have been attacked twice in Sanlitun in the last year and narrowly escaped a third time. The story was the same each time. Drunken Chinese men in their 20s who attacked without provocation while yelling racist / xenophobic slurs. The first time happened while a friend and I were waiting for a cab between the Village South and Nali Patio. We were jumped by a group of 8 Chinese men in their early 20s. I did not see or interact with them before the attack. They came from behind, punched me in the back of the head and the ear, knocked my friend to the ground, and repeatedly kicked him in the head while yelling racist / xenophobic insults before running off. A few dozen people were right there but just stood by and watched. The second time happened a few months ago in one of Sanlitun's nicer bars. A very drunk Chinese man in his late 20s rushed at me, ripped my shirt, and hit me over the head with a bar stool. He yelled a few anti-foreigner slurs. The waiters and other customers did pull him off that time – after he had thrown several bar stools at my head. These incidents are not representative of my time in Beijing, and I certainly don't think that they are representative of the general Beijing population, but I believe they represent an unfortunate trend – anti-foreigner violence started by small groups of nationalistic, xenophobic Chinese men with a chip on their shoulder to begin with that is further inflamed by viral videos and irresponsibly nationalistic content from the media and the Web and brought to a head by large amounts of alcohol. In a city of 20 million people, it only takes a tiny fraction of the population to create a hostile environment, especially when such a large percentage of the population (including the police) is willing to stand by and watch. I have no desire to leave Beijing, or even to stop going to Sanlitun, but I have started crossing the street or walking the other way when I see a group of Chinese men who have been drinking – even if I'm right in front of the police station."

[Carage]

There is a lot of smoke about this 100 day campaign to root out "Three No" illegal aliens (No proper visa, No proper residency, or No proper work permission). But so far I have not seen any actual fire. I haven't seen anyone pulled aside in Sanlitun, or anywhere else. But maybe that is just me.

I'm curious about whether anyone has actually experienced anything from this campaign, or if it is just all propaganda.

If you have been asked for your papers, if you are comfortable to report it, please share your experience. It would be interesting to know how this is all manifesting itself. Who are they targeting (young, old, males, females, etc.) , where are they targeting (home, bars, street, offices) , how are they targeting (stopping everyone, singling people out, checking whole offices).

GM.

A friend of mine working in Shanghai told me that she was requested to go to the PSA / exit entry bureau to explain her employment status last week.

She works for a major global conglomerate, got a call on her company issued cellphone on Monday around noon.

The guy on the phone claimed to be a PSA officer and requests her presence at their office within 3 working days.

She thought it might be a scam and decided to put it off, but she got a call the second day to "remind" her. The tone of the second call was less than cordial.

So she went to the HR department to ask whether she should go, and the HR director told her to comply and apparently there are other people at their company who have received similar requests.

Apparently not just young males are targeted.

[Loveasiangirls]

if you saw all of it, that is the brit who was trying to [CodeWord123] the woman in the park. not condoning anyone beating up anyone else, but the dude was on video trying to [CodeWord123] a woman. i have very, very little sympathy for what happened to the dude later. he will be very lucky to make it out of china alive in any case.

gm.

by the way, the guy who beat him up also was arrested.

[Loveasiangirls]

There is a lot of smoke about this 100 day campaign to root out "Three No" illegal aliens (No proper visa, No proper residency, or No proper work permission). But so far I have not seen any actual fire. I haven't seen anyone pulled aside in Sanlitun, or anywhere else. But maybe that is just me.

I'm curious about whether anyone has actually experienced anything from this campaign, or if it is just all propaganda.

If you have been asked for your papers, if you are comfortable to report it, please share your experience. It would be interesting to know how this is all manifesting itself. Who are they targeting (young, old, males, females, etc.) , where are they targeting (home, bars, street, offices) , how are they targeting (stopping everyone, singling people out, checking whole offices).

GM.

A friend had their company visited by the police this week to check all the staff. On another forum I read about a few people being stopped on the street (in Haidian) and the complain was that the police did not speak english. So yes it is happening.

Same happened just before olympics. One friend had to leave for the duration of the olympics as a result of not having proper paperwork.

[Gualtier Malde]

There is a lot of smoke about this 100 day campaign to root out "Three No" illegal aliens (No proper visa, No proper residency, or No proper work permission). But so far I have not seen any actual fire. I haven't seen anyone pulled aside in Sanlitun, or anywhere else. But maybe that is just me.

I'm curious about whether anyone has actually experienced anything from this campaign, or if it is just all propaganda.

If you have been asked for your papers, if you are comfortable to report it, please share your experience. It would be interesting to know how this is all manifesting itself. Who are they targeting (young, old, males, females, etc.) , where are they targeting (home, bars, street, offices) , how are they targeting (stopping everyone, singling people out, checking whole offices).

GM.

[Timeer]

Why would someone have a child? Is it not to just have kids to take up your relay stick, and live on? Then shouldn't there be a reason to let your own genepool also live on, and not have it "contained" by other human "races"?

I am posing these questions as a devils advocate, because they do hold very strong merits. The problem with the analogy is just that we are living in a more and more global world, and confrontations can't take part, as they will easily lead to riots, civil war and so forth. Ofcourse the Chinese men hate that we blacks and whites come over and have sex with their women. For them it feels like some foreigner "not of their genepool" (or call us "aliens") are paying to fuck their daughters "of their genepool". And where does darwinism come into all of this? Well, we are all taught from we are very small that we are capable of anything. We are raised to feel that we are the centre of the world. Everything omits from our eyes, we are the world. So then why should someone agree to have their own "superior" "world leading" genes distorted by someone not like them. Someone inferior? In fact, racism is perhaps one of the most humane things we have in the world. Because we are different!

However, there is a way around it. And as I already mentionned, there has to be a battle against racism. Not a fistfight, but informational. In my point of view, all human "races" needs to learn to love eachother more, travel to every continent in the world, and meet other people. What we hear and read in the media or on the internet is not enough. You need to stay in other countries for months (and got forbid, no grouptrip!). I've studied as an exchange student myself in asia, and one thing has become very clear to me. The people that has gone on exchange themselves are allways the first people to be social and show hospitality when going back to their own countries, meeting exchange students going in the other direction. Without cultural dialogue both ways, it won't get any better. So yes, to the guy who mentionned how hard it is for Chinese to get a visa to USA and Schengen, you have a very good point! Visa limiting rules are terrible, and every country should have 3 months visa free stay for tourists. As gobal manufacturing shift to where cheap labor is, education will follow, and perhaps in 100 years this will be possible. Untill then, I guess we will just have to live it out.

[Timeer]

Why would someone have a child? Is it not to just have kids to take up your relay stick, and live on? Then shouldn't there be a reason to let your own genepool also live on, and not have it "contained" by other human "races"?

I am posing these questions as a devils advocate, because they do hold very strong merits. The problem with the analogy is just that we are living in a more and more global world, and confrontations can't take part, as they will easily lead to riots, civil war and so forth. Ofcourse the Chinese men hate that we blacks and whites come over and have sex with their women. For them it feels like some foreigner "not of their genepool" (or call us "aliens") are paying to fuck their daughters "of their genepool". And where does darwinism come into all of this? Well, we are all taught from we are very small that we are capable of anything. We are raised to feel that we are the centre of the world. Everything omits from our eyes, we are the world. So then why should someone agree to have their own "superior" "world leading" genes distorted by someone not like them. Someone inferior? In fact, racism is perhaps one of the most humane things we have in the world. Because we are different!

However, there is a way around it. And as I already mentionned, there has to be a battle against racism. Not a fistfight, but informational. In my point of view, all human "races" needs to learn to love eachother more, travel to every continent in the world, and meet other people. What we hear and read in the media or on the internet is not enough. You need to stay in other countries for months (and got forbid, no grouptrip!). I've studied as an exchange student myself in asia, and one thing has become very clear to me. The people that has gone on exchange themselves are allways the first people to be social and show hospitality when going back to their own countries, meeting exchange students going in the other direction. Without cultural dialogue both ways, it won't get any better. So yes, to the guy who mentionned how hard it is for Chinese to get a visa to USA and Schengen, you have a very good point! Visa limiting rules are terrible, and every country should have 3 months visa free stay for tourists. As gobal manufacturing shift to where cheap labor is, education will follow, and perhaps in 100 years this will be possible. Untill then, I guess we will just have to live it out.

[Carage]

if you saw all of it, that is the brit who was trying to [CodeWord123] the woman in the park. not condoning anyone beating up anyone else, but the dude was on video trying to [CodeWord123] a woman. i have very, very little sympathy for what happened to the dude later. he will be very lucky to make it out of china alive in any case.

gm.

i have very little sympathy for the drunker brit, if he indeed attempted to [CodeWord123] that woman in the park.

what i have a problem with is the fact that the locals and their media seem to condone / praise this "vigilante justice" so much.

[Teltel]

Did anyone not see the video about the white guy who got beat up in Beijing on a road?

Apparently whoever posted the vid is very proud of what they did.

No sympathy for him at all. Maximum sentence with hard labour is what he needs.

There are a lot of these type tourists, not just in China, who think they can do as they want.

The reported crackdown on foreigners is nothing new, been a few over the last 12 years not just now or for the Olympics.

Teltel