Dating Russian Women

[Jake993]

MO-LO-DETS!

Takes some serious fucking BALLS to throw down an "indecent proposal" like that on a first date, Doc. As for HotDog, I can't believe they're still pulling the 12K-15K shit.

Piz - As I shared with you over coffee the other day, I visited Night Flight with a colleague who was a first timer to Moscow. Since I had already arranged for some midnight delivery, I was not at all serious to taking someone home but used the opportunity to try a few experiments. Within 5 minutes at the bar we (I was approached by two or three 7.5's. chatting and politely rebuffing a few girls seems to be an invitation for all the girls to try their hand at approaching us. Now - keep in mind that it was only about 11:00 PM so I would not normally expected any kind of motivation. One solid 8.5 from Pieter named Olga came over and make her play. She was a student from MGU studying Media Communication or something like that.

She came out of the chute asking for 400 Euros. Within a millisecond I turned her down and told her I was not was she was looking for. I responded that 10,00 rubles for all night including BBBJ and anal was what I was looking for. She countered with 12,00 rubles, no anal but would stay until 6:00 AM. I told her I would think about it and got another drink and started talking to my first time friend who was like a cat in a fish market.

It must have been a good 15 minutes when Olga came back and lowered her price to 10,000 and almost broke down in tears telling me that she had not had a trick in three weeks and was getting desperate for the money to pay rent.

I suggested to her that if she was desperate she should think about lowering her price. She might get more hits and boost her revenue although her net profit per trick might suffer but at least it was money for rent. Obviously a film major and not an economics major because she looked at me like I had three heads.

My point in telling you this is that it looks as though the market is getting stressed and there might be a price drop in the wind.

[Hecker]

My 2 crowns. Czech cause from 1 January slovakia will get euro too LOL.

4 years ago the russians were about 15-20% more sexy than Polish, Czech and Slovak girls that I know very well and they were almost at same level "serious" and at the same level spoiled. From the last experience, included provincies too, I saw as even if Russian girls keep on be a bit more sexy, and maybe passionate too, than their eastern sisters, now they are TOO MUCH spoiled, too much into money. Doc said it perfect, they want first money and then play, I'd say they want money and (maybe) later play.

I think for one that no go to Russia for business but only for mongering, it does no more worth it as before. Much less troubles, much cheaper if I will travelling a bit less and where I do not need to get a visa. Not to mention easier to get a "relationship" and no problem to get them travelling to my home with no visa-problems.

We will see, I am curious to see how the 2009 will change our hobby and most of all where we all will finish to go to make our spending money still worth it.

It is a difficult task to compare slavic women. I will try to give some hints, how it works like. Three factors money spent, appearance level and behaviour are taken into account. These really matter in real circumstances. So we have:

Czech girls

1. You spend money for date expenses. You don't pay for presents.

2. Appearance. Very good.

3. Behaviour. Bad.

So you get sex with good looking girls spending reasonable money but enduring bad behaviour (no relation to Russian or ukrainian girls' behaviour). Actually Czech girls can completely impose on you becoming a kind of masters, so it is useful to have the more soft ukrainian experience from time to time to feel again in control and not under control.

Polish girls

1. You spend very little money for date expenses. Actually the girl pays for half the dates (cultural reasons, ethics, which I cannot now explain)

2. Appearance. Mediocre.

3. Behaviour. Good.

These girls are serious and want marriage. So they do not want to appear bad by asking for presents etc. It is a complicated issue. They do everything in bed (more than Russian and ukrainian girls, they really have no limits) but you have to compromise with mediocre appearance. Why? Because all the hottest ones are already taken and proposed marriage by the age of 20 and the marriages do not break easily (lowest divorce rate in Europe).

So Polish girls are the best to marry if sb is interested. They are not so good for relationships or just sex because they will ask for marriage inside 6 months from the time they had sex.

Ukrainian girls

1. You spend money for dates and presents. However presents are not very expensive. So they cost more than Czech or Polish girls.

2. Appearance. Good. You get young girls with appearance in the upper 15-20% of population. Not in the 5% because they are already taken. Again they marry in young age, so almost all gorgeous, extremely beautiful have been proposed by the age of 20 and are not available.

3. Behaviour. Good. They really do a lot for you, to feel comfortable unlike Czech girls who are far more independant. They don't make bitter or sarcastic comments unlike western slavic girls. They always want to please.

But the big but for slavic girls. Mental. They are very mental. All of them, Polish, Czech, ukrainian, Russian. Hysterical, with ups and downs, craziness which is hard to repress and a general sadness, pain, quick change of emotions, very emotional and actresses natural born and have a lot of boyfriends simultaneously and are always preooccupied with family, so you get into family and a lot more slavic things which everyone who has relationships with the slavic girls from the garden experiences.

The craziness, hysterical attitude and emotional ocean arises very differently in Polish, ukrainian and Czech girls due to cultural differences but the core remains the same pointing to the common origin of slavic genes.

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[Pizdyets]

MO-LO-DETS!

Takes some serious fucking BALLS to throw down an "indecent proposal" like that on a first date, Doc.

As for HotDog, I can't believe they're still pulling the 12K-15K shit. As I was saying months ago, they need to balance their margin with volume. Costs as a WG in Moscow are significant: transport, clothes, lodging (if not local - like most), club entry and warm-up drinks. Even if they stay in some shithole in Ximki and wear cheap-ass poddelka s rynka, it's still $80 minimum per evening for everything else, probably closer to $120. If they insist on $400/LT, they're probably only going to get 2 clients a week max (working 6 nights a week). But if they dropped that to $250/LT, they'd hook up practically every night. That would move them from just breaking even (or worse) to clearing up to $1000/week. Sure, they're gonna have to work for it, but life is hard... Unfortunately, if these girls were so good in finance, they wouldn't be working at HD. Instead, they'd be working at investment banks and earning $200 free-and-clear during their lunch hours.

[Jake993]

Hope she got all the jizz off her face.

Cripes Skank - what the hell are they feeding you down there in Moldova? Clearly a master of prose. This is a real pleasure to read.
Now, How does this nomination for Report of Distinction thing work? Because I think this one qualifies in all categories for originality, interesting content, and just a nicely written piece of work.
A+ in my book.

[Doctor_Skank]

i’ve always been a proponent of the freebie scene. there is nothing more satisfying than the moment when a girl who had before been a stranger spreads her legs for you, and allows you into her most intimate of areas. it isn’t merely a physical act, but a symbolic gesture of both trust and affection… at least that is the romantic version.

ok, well sometimes it is just physical, at least in terms of drunken post-club one night stands. there may be affection and trust involved, but most likely her judgement and her feelings were affected by alcohol and club atmosphere. not a bad thing, but hardly romance in the traditional sense.

as we know however, the ons has taken backseat to a regrettably more civilized 2-3 date system. although the ons does occasionally still occur, it is noticeably less common to drag a girl out of the club that you met an hour or two earlier for a poke back in your apartment than it was 5 years ago. a lot of things have changed in russia (or ukraine for that matter) that make the club pull increasingly rare.

the freebie scene remains very interesting however, as it is ludicrous to argue that screwing freebies and screwing pros is the same. it simply isn’t.

it is a different kind of relationship, a different kind of sex and a different kind of emotion, a different affection. a pro gfe, no matter how pristine and perfect simply isn’t the same as having a girl screw you because she wants to and not because you are helping her pay her way through cosmetology school.

that isn’t to say pro sex is less valuable, it is simply different.

the benefits of a gf vary from girl to girl and guy to guy, but it usually means honest, interesting conversation, repeat performances, real passion and affection, booty calls, bareback sex if you want it and low running costs, although costs undeniably exist in one form or another.

as we know freebies will cost you money sooner or later, whether it is going to restaurants or clubs in which you will usually cover all charges, buying occasional presents or taking her on holiday. that is the price of maintaining a relationship, as it would be anywhere.

but what are the benefits of paying outright, the cash for sex exchange? we all know the famous (and accurate) adage: “you don’t pay a pro for sex, you pay her to leave afterwards”. the serial daters among us will know how valuable that can be indeed.

as i have been more than a bit fed up with the patience and emotional stress associated with the dating scene and having been a bit worn out maintaining more than a 2 dozen relationships in moscow and elsewhere while simultaneously still not accepting moscow prices for sex, i decided to conduct an experiment. not only an experiment in examining the benefits of paying for sex upfront vs. chasing freebies, but simultaneously conducting a litmus test of the early affects of the looming economic crisis.

i decided to find the semi-pro, that elusive creature of circumstance. a girl who is not a prostitute, but for whatever reason is willing to screw a stranger for money.

i found a candidate on mamba.

prologue.

i’d spent the previous 2 evenings at hot dog’s, and although i had found a few girls that seemed very much my taste and very fuckable, we couldn’t even really come close to agreeing on price.

there was blonde kristina, a girl that any infrequent visitor to hd will have seen. she positions herself at the corner of the bar when you enter and in contrast to her sisters of ill repute, will approach candidates if they look the part. i look the part. she seems to have some sort of status there, as there are invariably other girls hanging with her and in a sense, seemingly following her lead.

there are several black girls working at hd now as well, including 3 i found attractive. nonetheless, screwing a black girl in moscow is one oddity i haven’t yet been intrigued by, despite hd’s lineup.

and there were several others, although no uzbekis or kazakhis.

going into hd i’d set a limit of 8000 rubles for 2-3 hours, which i felt was quite reasonable. in fact, i’d been so clever to only bring 10.000 rubles, to ensure that the alk didn’t get the better of me.

8000 rubles is roughly 220 € or $300, which is medium range pricing in moscow, but the absolute pinnacle of my budget for sex. in fact, i’m not even sure i’ve ever spent that much before. i believe my previous “record” was $250, but i was feeling like mr.big wallet tonight, even if reality put me in the category of mr.miserly monger.

the girls i spoke too opened with a laughable $600 offer before offering me the incredibly lame “super special discount because i like you” to $500, so there was obviously a difference of opinion on what their sex was worth and on what a “real man” should be able to pay. despite my horniness and the sparse pickings in terms of potential customers, we just couldn’t come to an agreement, the closest offer being 8000 rubles for an hour, which is just silly.

as jake recently posted, you can escape nf with a girl in tow for 10.000 rubles, so why pay a hd girl 12-15.000? besides, once one begins haggling about price in silly ways, there is not even an inkling of faux romance left in the air. it becomes pathetic and degrading for everybody. so despite their best efforts at wooing me, i left the club alone 2 nights in a row, relatively early. perhaps their prices went down after 3 a.m. or so, but i don’t see the point of staying an hour or two more than i wanted, just to get drunker and only to save $150 or so and most probably to enjoy the sex less due to tiredness or drunkeness. kristina and co. might get my company someday, but not at those prices. besides, i think kristina and co. are going to be pretty shocked when the crisis really hits moscow, which should be about february.

still, i had a different plan, a more interesting one. a crisis-inspired one.

the mamba girl was named ksenia, a blonde of about 25. her pictures on mamba looked good and after exchanging telephone numbers and some prodding by sms, she agreed to meet me on her lunch break away from her job at an investment bank, which was conveniently located near pushkin square.

an investment bank. hmm. not exactly the movers and shakers these days.

meeting on pushkin square in a small café about 1pm, we talked about life, the economy and her experience in moscow. originally from novokuznetsk, she had moved to moscow a few years back. of course it was better than novokuznetsk, which she described as a shithole, but still… life in moscow was … tough.

she was very pretty. clean, fresh siberian face with deep blue eyes. slightly tanned, glowing skin. immaculately dressed and a good conversationalist. walking to the café in the rain, i had seen that a man had offered her the protection of his umbrella. he entered the café with her, and i noticed he was gravely disappointed to see her meet me in the café and glared at me throughout the lunch as he sat alone. perfect. it’s the little joys in life, right?

i genuinely liked her. had i not been on a mission and booked full through the rest of the week with regular gfs, i might have tried to traditionally woo her into bed. agree to meet later. dinner. back to my pad for “chai”. certainly a possibility and probably just one or two dates away… but not what i wanted. i wanted my dick wet. i wanted my cock in her mouth within the hour. and i didn’t want another relationship to be maintained.

the economy. it is going to take a hit, no doubt. she didn’t like her job, it was boring. there wasn’t much to do in the last few months and the mood was bad. she was worried about her future. shucks babe. i took this as a cue to spring my trap.

although i am bored of telling the same stories over and over, i talked about myself while trying my best to not sound self-obsessed, an essential talent if you want to score with women.

1) sometimes i visit moscow, but don’t have time for a girlfriend. so sad.

2) i get lonely sometimes and need the affection of a good woman.

3) i need the passion between man and woman.

she looked at me thoughtfully and i believe she understood the implications of my sell.

without further ado, i decided to put the cards on the table.

i asked her not to be insulted, and told her i would provide her with a degree of financial assistance for occasional meetings. perhaps i could even help her find another job. we had chemistry, so putting this subject on the table went well. i imagine that some girls would have been upset and i would have shot down any chance to score later with my proposal, but my instincts proved correct and she seemed relatively unfazed. i asked if she was shocked. she was surprised, but wasn’t shocked. she also didn’t have time for a serious boyfriend. nice.

price. where should i start?

i had to make it clear that i wasn’t interested in a permanent sponsorship deal. it was to be hourly or nightly basis and no more than one or two times a month. i didn’t want to break the bank just for some sex.

considering the crisis as my friend and knowing that at the investment bank she would anticipate the looming crisis more than kristina and co., i aimed low, offering 2500 rubles an hour or max 7000 for a night. i figured she’d try to haggle up to 3000 or more an hour, but she didn’t. she considered the offer for a moment and said she was interested but not 100% sure, suggesting we meet again later in the week to discuss it further. since i had a gf meeting me at 7 that evening, i had to close the deal now or wait until january next year. by january, i would most likely have found other options, or perhaps she’d be off the market or even worse, would have reconsidered her price position. i wanted my hands on her ass and my cock in her mouth within the next 60 minutes and not 30 days from now.

i suggested she instead call her bank and tell them she had some personal business she had to attend to for an hour or two. two hours with me would be a pleasant way to spend the afternoon, ili net? she seemed excited about the prospect, smiling and called her work.

work agreed and we walked through the rain back to my apartment, agreeing on a 2-3 hour date for 5000 rubles. she had time until about 5.

once in the apartment, it was all tongues, groping and moans. seldom have i had such a passionate encounter. it was if she’d been waiting for a man for months. who knows, maybe she had.

and here come the benefits of paying. with my status as “the wallet” in the back of my head, and she not being a hardcore pro playing her own power game, it was very easy to direct her to do everything i wanted.

“down on your knees and take my cock out of my pants and beat your own head with it.”

“stand up and lift up your skirt and show me your ass.”

“get on the floor and stick your ass in the air and spread your pussy lips so i can see it.”

passionately kissing with our clothes now rep001tered around the living room, we eventually moved to the bedroom. she was really on fire. i think the idea of fucking a stranger for money on her lunch break had turned her on. good girls don’t do that. it was bad. a very bad thing to do. god do some girls love being bad.

her body was immaculate. pussy shaved absolutely bare and silky smooth. so much so, it made me wonder if she had any hair at all. i’m certain she did, but it could not have been much. young, strong breasts, perky and taut. and her pussy… wet, hot and receptive. eating her out she moaned loudly, bucking and rocking as my tongue darted around her clit. finally she pulled me up to her and i whispered to her:

“beg me to fuck you.”

her eyes wild with passion, she begged me to fuck her, her voice almost sobbing with emotion. i donned a condom and entered her tight wet box, proceeding to thrash her in several positions before telling her i was going to come in her mouth.

i took off the condom and started mouth fucking her, before rolling over and letting her suck me off. she was slobbering crazily about my cock, her blonde head jackhammering away as i approached orgasm. finally i came in a massive o, shooting loads of jizz into her mouth and onto her pretty face. she moaned and tried to swallow as much as she could.

we laid together panting for a couple of minutes before washing up.

that was round one, two more were to follow.

as 5 approached and we redressed, we spoke and kissed like lovers. of course it was a business deal… the 5000 rubles on the table were there to prove it. but it was perfect for me. she wasn’t my gf. there’d be no jealousy, no awkward moments. no romancing the pants off of her. just pure passion and power of position… at prices i was willing to pay. prices that wouldn’t make me feel like an idiot.

it was 5, she was leaving and my body was spent in ecstacy. she was glowing in post-coital glee as i escorted her outside so she could go back to work. wonder what her friends thought when she came back from her extended lunch break with a silly grin on her face?

hope she got all the jizz off of it.

[Doctor_Skank]

Damn, so you can't just escape from the situation? What if I just leave Russia, she'd have no way of getting hold of me. But I was just asking, that never actually happened.

Of course you can just leave Russia, but you get a girl pregnant, you deal with the consequences. Don't be an ass.

[Vic Blayze]

Damn, so you can't just escape from the situation? What if I just leave Russia, she'd have no way of getting hold of me. But I was just asking, that never actually happened.

[Tone]

You set up a monthly payment to provide some financial support and have a reason to visit Russia more often. Around $1500 a month should suffice and some extra a couple of times a year for the kids essentials.

Unless you plan to marry the girl this should keep things right, otherwise you should have paid by the hour and not taken the risk.

Yes, I'm speaking from experience.

What happens if you get one pregnant?

Has this happened to anyone? [/QUOTE]

[Vic Blayze]

What happens if you get one pregnant?

Has this happened to anyone?

[Eros74]

.....They're spoiled for sure... but damn do they look fantastic all dolled up...

My 2 crowns....czech cause from 1 january slovakia will get euro too LOL....

4 years ago the russians were about 15-20% more sexy than polish,czech and slovak girls that I know very well and they were almost at same level "serious" and at the same level spoiled.... from the last experience, included provincies too, I saw as even if russian girls keep on be a bit more sexy, and maybe passionate too, than their eastern sisters, now they are TOO MUCH spoiled, too much into money.... Doc said it perfect, they want first money and then play, I'd say they want money and (maybe) later play...

I think for one that no go to Russia for business but only for mongering, it does no more worth it as before....much less troubles, much cheaper if I will travelling a bit less and where I do not need to get a visa....not to mention easier to get a "relationship" and no problem to get them travelling to my home with no visa-problems.....

We will see, I am curious to see how the 2009 will change our hobby and most of all where we all will finish to go to make our spending money still worth it....

[Doctor_Skank]

It didn't used to be like that. An entire generation of Russian girls has grown up with fast and easy money (at least in Moscow). It will be interesting to see how they adapt to a "normal" life.

zhizn prodolzhatsya...

No it didn't and I am still Russian women's number one fan. But especially on Mamba and social dating sites, there is a negative culture developing. Muscovites especially, but really in all cities, there are tons of girls who live off of other peoples money. It's not that they are all sponsored or something like that, it is just that so much loose money has been floating around and as you know the Russians love to spend money and show their wealth, so girls have developed a skewed relationship to money.

I am interested to see how it will pan out in the next year or two. They're spoiled for sure... but damn do they look fantastic all dolled up...

[Stravinsky]

I think Russian girls are becoming more and more whorish, especially the younger ones.

It didn't used to be like that. An entire generation of Russian girls has grown up with fast and easy money (at least in Moscow). It will be interesting to see how they adapt to a "normal" life.

zhizn prodolzhatsya...

[Doctor_Skank]

In general, if you want to increase the liklihood of an earnest relationship online, you should initiate the conversation, not the other way around. I don't have the patience, personally, but lots of guys here swear by mamba.ru and other websites for hooking up, and the girls are usually legit.

Udachi!

I wouldn't go so far to say the girls on Mamba are generally legit, it is also crawling with pros and girls looking for sponsorship. If anything, I think Russian girls are becoming more and more whorish, especially the younger ones. Not necessarily asking for money, but just interested in guys who spend first, play later.

Coming from the West, I've always been the play first, spend later type. Like spending is more of a reward than an entrance fee.

But the girls are legit in the sense that the pictures are generally real and that they won't try to trick you out of money. They'll just lose interest if they don't see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It takes some work... and patience... to filter through the BS.

I really don't have the patience or time and am not as active on the inet as before. Meeting girls in clubs and bars is what I like, although it also has both it's up and downsides.

Off to meet my date now.

[Vic Blayze]

I'm planning on going to Moscow for a year, and hopefully hooking up with some Russian women while there. One question, I hear that most women in Russia don't use birth control. If one was to get pregnant, what would the consequences be for me? Would I basically be screwed or would I be able to walk away from the situation relatively easily? Any experiences/advice would be much appreciated.

P.S. I'm talking more about just regular girls here, not prostitutes, but if anybody has advice regarding them you can share it.

[Vic Blayze]

I'm planning on spending a year in Moscow, and (hopefully) hooking up with some Russian women while there. I heard that most women in Russia don't use birth control, is this true? What would the consequences be if I happened to get a girl pregnant? Would I basically be screwed, or would I be able to get out of the situation rather easily? Any advice is much appreciated.