Dating Russian Women

[Strike 69]

She is no longer angry now, I still don't understand what happened.........

[Strike 69]

If I understand. You were intimate with her, told someone about it (someone she knows? ) and now she is angry and you think this is unreasonable?

I presume that either the Russian guy told her what he knew, or you told her?

I would say that neither a gentleman nor a lady discusses what they do in their bedroom except with perhaps a close and trusted circle of longterm friends.

If she's a pro then it's ok. But if she's a friend, then you shouldn't be kissing and telling. If others want to draw their own conclusions, that is their business.

My suggestion. Tell her that upon further reflection you realize that you behaved poorly and apologize. Tell her that through this experience she has helped you become a better man.

Well in fact I didn't discuss with the guy what I did with her in bedroom, the only thing I said was telling him that I had a "special relationship" with X girl. Later I told her what I did, it was me not the Russian guy who told her, in fact that guy seemed to not give a hoot about it. After I told her she immediately became furious and really mad with me

[Fijiman]

Guys, a lady with a had a "friends relationship" is now very angry with me because I told a Russian guy about it, and she told me she founds is very irritating, she no longers call me dear or say to me tender words, or expression of affection any recommendation to improve her mood is welcome? I was not her sponsor neither and she is not a pro, she was a "close friend" and is a normal girl.

If I understand. You were intimate with her, told someone about it (someone she knows? ) and now she is angry and you think this is unreasonable?

I presume that either the Russian guy told her what he knew, or you told her?

I would say that neither a gentleman nor a lady discusses what they do in their bedroom except with perhaps a close and trusted circle of longterm friends.

If she's a pro then it's ok. But if she's a friend, then you shouldn't be kissing and telling. If others want to draw their own conclusions, that is their business.

My suggestion. Tell her that upon further reflection you realize that you behaved poorly and apologize. Tell her that through this experience she has helped you become a better man.

[Strike 69]

Guys, a lady with a had a "friends relationship" is now very angry with me because I told a Russian guy about it, and she told me she founds is very irritating, she no longers call me dear or say to me tender words, or expression of affection and even worst whe ignores me now. Any recommendation to improve her mood is welcome? I was not her sponsor neither and she is not a pro, she was a "close friend" and is a normal girl. The only thing I did was commenting this Russian guy about our relationship and I never ever have imagine that she could become so angry for that.

[DJ FourMoney]

Goodbye kitty, hello booty camp!

Word of caution however, I am positive this only works on those under 30...

Which is perfectly OKAY with me

Girls love them some Hello Kitty, Booty Camp, Apple Bottom jeans... The list goes on....

[Pizdyets]

Are you sure you are talking about watches here Pizdyets? )

LOL! My tastes in Southeast Asian women definitely lean more towards Vietnam and not Thailand... Though I did have one half-Burmese/half-Chinese hottie. Need more experimentation. When's my next vacation again?

[Doctor_Skank]

If you're ever in Thailand, you can pick up some really decent quality fakes. Of course the girls *know* that they're fake, but that doesn't faze them if they look good enough. And we're talking $30-40, not $70-100...

Though I had fucked the girl many times before, she gave up her ass for me that night...

Are you sure you are talking about watches here Pizdyets? )

[Jake993]

In my limited experience with travel paying, absolutely worth it.

Agreed - totally worth it. Legalized hostage taking.

[Doctor_Skank]

personally i let the girl choose what present she wants.

that's a dangerous and expensive road to travel. i hope you are getting the benefits you want from it. i personally like to choose the time and place of presents... if they get them at all. anything else is financial irresponsibility, and as i stated before letting her choose is giving her too much power. it's emasculating. i think you should be "tougher". in my experience, being the chooser on all issues is the best course of action. of course it isn't always possible to dictate everything in a relationship, but 95% of the time it is. it's what they like and are comfortable with.

girls usually want: 1. mobile phones

yuck. way too expensive and way too "whorish". just my opinion, if a girl asks for a phone it's like "hey asshole, buy me a mother-fucking phone." i don't mean to be rude, but i'd rather just give her money and say "here's $500, now fuck me for 3 days straight." frankly though, i can only recall very few incidents where i was asked. every girl i've ever met already has a phone. i've literally told the ones that asked me "let somebody else buy you a phone". it didn't stop me from fucking them.

if the deal regards an expensive present like mobile phone, i try to make sure that sex will follow thereafter. that is the deal is ''i buy you a phone, you sleep with me'', no further obligations.

exactly. still too pricey for me though. phones cost $500-700.

clothes, perfumes and accessories which are cheaper are for girls who i already slept with. they are like reward.

maintenance, and only give them to those who appreciate it.

jewelry is for ''serious relationship''. mind you that girls in province want some form of commitment inside 2-6 months after sleeping with you.

not my experience. they don't want anything but to see me again. girls from provinces are extremely low maintenance. besides, jewelry doesn't have to be expensive. swarovski for example is cheap and girl's dig it because it's a brand name.

in my opinion, you cannot buy sex from freebies unless you pay for expensive presents.

not true in my experience. despite my present giving to regulars and occasional fishing with perfume etc., the vast majority of freebies i've had wanted nothing. presents are better for maintenance and what i call "loyalty". make no mistake that i neither expect or want their complete sexual loyalty, they can do what they want when i'm not around... i just expect them to be oncall and available (within reason) when i'm around. it's a system that works for me very well, for years now.

travel: this is the constant dilemma. should i travel to her city meaning having the chance to date many more girls, or should i pay the expenses for her travel and have her stay with me, sex 100% guaranteed.
both options can work, however paying for her travel leads to 100% results. it is more risky to go to her, in which case you need very good skills, flexibility and speed and some luck as well, which you hunt.

yes. going to her is unpredictable. usually i've had good results, but sometimes the girl i was communicating with got cold feet. for some girls internet flirting is just an ego-boosting hobby, and many of them are less "free" when you actually show up at their doorstep... in their town... where their friends can see them with you. some girls want to be seen with you, others can't be seen with you. fact of life. that's why i always had plan b, plan c, plan d....

whether or not sb should pay for the travel depends on the girl's appearance and behaviour. i find it pointless to pay for a girl in the 5-7 range.

of course.

but if the girl is a stunner, a 8-10 then paying for her to travel is worth it.

in my limited experience with travel paying, absolutely worth it.

basically you need judgement and experience to have a feeling how much each girl is worth.

of course.

[Pizdyets]

* watches: good value, high cost. I am a watch fetish, so shopping for them is fun for me. Generally I choose $70-100 Swatch watches or a cheaper name brand watch like DKNY or Fossil. This is a good gift for a special girl that is a keeper. I check their watches beforehand and if they have cheap watches I sometimes get them one. As stated before with clothing, I only would give such a gift to a girl that needs it. Elitny type girls have too expensive taste and can afford their own watches... or have somebody more free-spending than me buy them one.

If you're ever in Thailand, you can pick up some really decent quality fakes. Of course the girls *know* that they're fake, but that doesn't faze them if they look good enough. And we're talking $30-40, not $70-100...

* travel: excellent value, high cost. This is a toughie and a ploy I've only used rarely. Nonetheless, I must say that it's very high value both in terms of personal value and loyalty benefit. I recently flew a girl to Europe from Moscow, costing me roughly $400 in airfare. All other costs like food, hotel etc. of course I covered, however these weren't significantly more than I would have had anyway. For the cost of airfare I got 3 days of on-demand real GF sex, interesting company for my tourist endeavour and free language lessons.. not to mention pics and video. Another travel option is flying girls from the provinces into Moscow. Works well for me, although the roughly $200-300 airfare must be considered. Still cheaper than pro sex however and benefits are greater. Needless to say loyalty factor is extremely high. I still get comments from girls flown in that our "mini-otpusk" was the best time in their life.

Yup, heard the exact same line before, tears streaking down her face as she climbed into the taxi to the airport to return to her banal life. That was after 3 days (and nights) of no-holes-barred sex-o-rama, including probing her virgin backdoor (she loved it), A2M (no complexes here), and teaching her to deep-throat (no gag reflex whatsoever). Of course if you total it all up, I could have had cheaper sex elsewhere, but the quality (and quantity) more than made up for the expense.

Thoughts from other's personal experience out there in ISG-Land?

It may sound weird, but I've had good luck with cigarettes and booze, as long as you nail what the girl likes. One of my GFs only smoked Esse, so I was flying home from Korea one time and picked up a carton of "elite" Esse cigs that you can only buy there (or so they claimed in Duty Free). Each had a metal case, and the cigs themselves looked pretty cool. Though I had fucked the girl many times before, she gave up her ass for me that night...

[Doctor_Skank]

I remember some guy here who used to give "Here Kitty" panties to his ladies, then post photos of his prizes. Was that you Doc?
And has anyone ever been in the embarassing situation of disrobing a girl,
revealing Hey Kitty attire that reminds you Kilroy was there before you?

Goodbye kitty, hello booty camp!

[Jake993]

Just my 2 cents. Thoughts from others personal experience out there in ISG-Land?

The giving of gift as a prelude to sex is tricky business indeed. I have sampled the whole range from cheap to expensive and found that there are no hard and fast rules or sure-fire gifts.

Personalization is always good. A less expensive but more personal gift can be the ticket straight to bed while an expensive but impersonal (or inappropriate) gift can be a waste of money.

A few years back, when an iPhone was like gold, I was chatting with a mamba girl who said she would fulfill my wildest sexual fantasies if I could bring her an unlocked iPhone. I went on eBay and found a cheap used 4GB model and showed up in Moscow a week later with it in hand. When I gave it to her she went white as a sheet because she didn't think I could actually get one. It eventually led to sex but it was by no means a sure fire ticket.

Another time, I had was in Brazil and bought the skimpiest of "dental floss" bikinis for a girl I was seeing in Moscow that cost me all of about $12. Over drinks I handed her a tiny little wrapped package and she asked me what it was. When I told her it was a bikini I had brought her from Rio de Janeiro, I swear she just about gave me a blow job right there in bar. What a turn-on for her.

Conversely, I always buy a half dozen Matrioshka Dolls to give to the Brazileiras - they LOVE them cause they are exotic and cute.

Pretty much agree with your assessment below. Perfume is a big gamble and while watches are always nice, if you get the style wrong, it can be a big "so what" and buy you nothing.

Russian girls seem to assume that once you are in the departure lounge of SVO (or DME) that you have already forgotten all about them. So when I send an SMS to a Moscow girl from the Amsterdam duty free perfume shop (on he way to Russia) telling her where I am and asking what she would like, that can be a turn on because you are in another country "thinking of her".

I blew it big time once with a Russian girl who asked me in advance to bring her some lingerie from the Victoria's Secret web site. I thought I would be class it up by buying her a similar style but in a much more expensive brand. Turns out she had plenty of sexy undies from the most expensive labels in Paris but thought VC was cute. So much for my powers of deduction. Oh, I did get laid that weekend but it wasn't because of the lingerie.

My best "smart buy" was a pair of Carolina Herrera sunglasses from the duty free cart on the plane. They were $170 and when I presented them to my little Brazilian pro, she was so thrilled that she waived the fees for the whole weekend.

[Gentleman Travel]

I remember some guy here who used to give "Here Kitty" panties to his ladies, then post photos of his prizes. Was that you Doc?
And has anyone ever been in the embarassing situation of disrobing a girl,
revealing Hey Kitty attire that reminds you Kilroy was there before you?

[Hecker]

personally i let the girl choose what present she wants. girls usually want:

1. mobile phones
2. clothes
3. perfumes
4. jewelry
5. accessories

if the deal regards an expensive present like mobile phone, i try to make sure that sex will follow thereafter. that is the deal is ''i buy you a phone, you sleep with me'', no further obligations.

clothes, perfumes and accessories which are cheaper are for girls who i already slept with. they are like reward.
jewelry is for ''serious relationship''. mind you that girls in province want some form of commitment inside 2-6 months after sleeping with you.

in my opinion, you cannot buy sex from freebies unless you pay for expensive presents.

travel: this is the constant dilemma. should i travel to her city meaning having the chance to date many more girls, or should i pay the expenses for her travel and have her stay with me, sex 100% guaranteed.
both options can work, however paying for her travel leads to 100% results. it is more risky to go to her, in which case you need very good skills, flexibility and speed and some luck as well, which you hunt.

whether or not sb should pay for the travel depends on the girl's appearance and behaviour. i find it pointless to pay for a girl in the 5-7 range.
for example it is better then to go to her city and meet other girls 6-9 in terms of appearance as well.
but if the girl is a stunner, a 8-10 then paying for her to travel is worth it.

basically you need judgement and experience to have a feeling how much each girl is worth.

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[Doctor_Skank]

The lure of "presents" is always a good draw. I have often offered to show the young damsel some photographs of my travels which are on my computer. Stories of exotic women from far off lands can sometimes pique the curiosity.

Presents are a touchy subject, as we mongers are by our nature cheap bastards. The inherent costs of mongering are high enough, presents only add to the costs and in worse cases, even spoil the girls and make them more demanding.

Nonetheless, presents can be an important tool.

Just as important as whether or not to purchase... or maybe more important... is the question if presents have a lasting, positive effect.

Personally I believe they do. In my experience however, the choice of present is important.

I will reinstate that, besides the "fishing" presents used to lure girls into the apartment for "chai", only selected girls get presents and I always choose the present and give it as a gift. I (almost) never go shopping with a girl. That is the single most emasculating thing I can think of. My only shopping excursions have been when I have been in the mood and said "let's get you some new shoes" or something like that. Obviously, this goes over very well but must be gauged in terms of cost vs. loyalty benefit.

Cost vs. Loyalty Benefit

Not only is choice of present determined by cost, but also by what you get out of it directly as well as what she will use it for.

I've tried several different variations of presents, most notably:

* perfume
* clothing
* lingerie
* watches
* travel
* jewelry
* stuffed animals/dolls/toys

Generally speaking, my presents range from $30-150 in cost. The majority however cost around $70.

This may seem like a lot, and it is if you aren't going to get more out of it than a smile and maybe some pussy. That is where one asks oneself if it is worth it, the answer being IMO "yes... if it has a lasting, positive effect".

Here's my experience, rated in terms of loyalty value:

* perfume: good value, medium cost, however she will definitely use it and will associate it with you. It's a good gift, however be careful when selecting. I genuinely test several scents before picking one for a girl and try to make sure that it is one that matches her. For example a 19-year old sporty type won't have much opportunity to use a heavy, formal perfume just as a high-class, snootier type probably won't want something too girlish. Good opening gift as well as a good gift for "fishing".

* clothing: good value, medium cost, although difficult to choose the right item. I generally like to choose items that can be worn immediately, making sure I get a fashion show. I also only buy clothing for girls who need it, like poor student types. An elite Muscovite can... and should... be buying her own clothes. Her taste is going to be too expensive anyway. Drawback is that if you choose poorly, she'll never wear it.

* lingerie: medium value, low cost, with benefits. The obvious benefit is that she will wear it right away, at least you should arrange things so that she has to. This means fashion show means pictures means sex. One drawback is that girls are very particular about what they like to wear and sometimes judging sizes is difficult. I find judging bra size to be fairly easy, but panty size is tougher. Some skinny girls are hippier than they appear, so just because she's only 45kg doesn't mean she's XS. But she usually is. Another drawback is the notion that she may wear it for someone else. This can't be controlled of course (even though I have specifically told girls not to wear it for any other guys and they invariably responded "only for you Mr.Skank!"), but just the notion that someone else will get use out of my gift is a buzzkill.

* watches: good value, high cost. I am a watch fetish, so shopping for them is fun for me. Generally I choose $70-100 Swatch watches or a cheaper name brand watch like DKNY or Fossil. This is a good gift for a special girl that is a keeper. I check their watches beforehand and if they have cheap watches I sometimes get them one. As stated before with clothing, I only would give such a gift to a girl that needs it. Elitny type girls have too expensive taste and can afford their own watches... or have somebody more free-spending than me buy them one.

* travel: excellent value, high cost. This is a toughie and a ploy I've only used rarely. Nonetheless, I must say that it's very high value both in terms of personal value and loyalty benefit. I recently flew a girl to Europe from Moscow, costing me roughly $400 in airfare. All other costs like food, hotel etc. of course I covered, however these weren't significantly more than I would have had anyway. For the cost of airfare I got 3 days of on-demand real GF sex, interesting company for my tourist endeavour and free language lessons.. not to mention pics and video. Another travel option is flying girls from the provinces into Moscow. Works well for me, although the roughly $200-300 airfare must be considered. Still cheaper than pro sex however and benefits are greater. Needless to say loyalty factor is extremely high. I still get comments from girls flown in that our "mini-otpusk" was the best time in their life. This in itself is worth it... and a testament to which kind of gray lives most of these girls lead, despite all the talk of elite clubs and rich Russians.

* jewelry: medium value, medium cost. Of course there are different price categories on jewelry and the initial response is very positive, however I find it is difficult to find jewelry for girls that they'll definitely wear. Nothing is worse than buying someone a present they won't use. If you want to go this route anyhow, I find that earrings that match her eyes or a pendant work well. You should observe her style IMO, for example most girls are either silver or gold and not both. Get something she'll actually wear. I generally don't get jewelry anymore though, as I've made a couple of poor choices both in terms of gift and recipient. Again, if going this route make sure it's for a keeper with added value.

* stuffed animals/dolls/toys: good value, low cost. A simple, classic gift. I enjoy the thought of her at home in bed with a stuffed animal or toy from me. Means automatic association. Moreover, girls find it cute. And besides, it's cheap. Only works with girls you already now obviously, it's generally not a good opening gift but rather a maintainer.

Just my 2 cents. Thoughts from other's personal experience out there in ISG-Land?