Dating Russian Women

[Eros74]

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After all, he's just using her. Using her body, using her time, using her emotion and it's only 50:50 at best that he will even stick around so why SHOULDN'T he pay?

Hey Jake if I was you, I replied to her: " he is using you IN THE SAME WAY as you use him, use his body, his time and his emotions.".

The real question, only half ironical, is why shouldn't SHE pay him?

Cause she has pussy?

ASAP better we realize we have dick and not they have pussy.

The real problem?

There are too little Boris in the world to change the female attitudes in these times, too many men are so desperate for a piece of pussy and willing to pay without problem any price, these men spoil forever women for all us and the women understood so well their power-pussy and they, and not we, are using us.

What is really interesting is that the Oksana type usually, sooner or later, fall in love for the typical "bastard", the Man that do not care to pay, that has many women and that he plays hard to get with women in the same way women play with every man and believe it or not, for this man women as Oksana will give gifts and so on to catch his attention.

The 90% of men fight between themself to get 10% of women and the 10% of men can easily have the 90% of women without fighting at all

[Jake993]

A lot has been written about dating Russian women. They are a lot different from Western women in a lot ways so what I add in this post is not so much a new perspective on anything so much as a recap of an interesting conversation I had recently with a Russian woman. She's lived in Moscow for about 10 years but was born and raised in Siberia. So I guess that does not really make a Moskvitchka in the true sense but for the purpose of this discussion I think she can qualify. She's in her early 30's. A professional with a very good salary. Probably makes more money than 95% of Moscow women.

No, I'm not fucking her (yet) so it was a pretty candid conversation in her apartment over tea. We had gone out with a group of people (mostly colleagues) to this concert and several of us ended up at her apartment (let's call her Oksana) for tea. Everyone was gone except me and we chatted over one last pot of tea. It was an interesting conversation reflecting on her last boyfriend (Let's call him Boris). He wasn't Russian but British. Well, he was born and raised in Britain to Russian parents who emigrated. He's fluent in Russian so she decided she might get the best of both worlds.

She told me they went on vacation together to the tropics and that she left him after a few days and went to another island. I asked her why and she said because he treated her badly. After a lot of probing I found out that the source of the problem was that Boris insisted that she pay her fair share of the holiday. Just to be clear, they are both professionals earning about the same amount of money (truth be told I think she earns more).

I pressed her a bit on her logic and she said that the man HAS to pay. It's just the way it is. After all, he's just using her. Using her body, using her time, using her emotion and it's only 50:50 at best that he will even stick around so why SHOULDN'T he pay?

I think that comment speaks volumes about the mindset of your average Moscow girl these days.

Anyone care to chime in?

[Skane Henrik]

It seems that she has changed her mind. It was not exactly true about visa, biometric passports and so on. It seems that you can ("can" used in a Russian way) use the old passport, while you are making a new passport. But she "did not have time to go Lithuania".

Ok, no money lost for me. That is life.

[Jake993]

My question: Can you make a new passport (international and biometric) and still continue to use the old one.

That's a tough one. Most countries do not want you to have two valid regular passports at the same time. While it's possible to have two passports, it's more common for one of them to be valid for a shorter period. The problem is that getting a new International passport in Russia can take forever. Sometimes up to 6 months. A lot of it has to do with where you live now and where you are actually from.

Many countries (USA) require you to surrender your existing passport (if it is still valid) while you have applied for a new one. In the US, it's not that much of a problem because turnaround for a renewal is quick. But in Russia (I am told) , it might take a long time to renew your passport so apparently, there is a new law that lets you KEEP your existing passport while your new one is being processed. But once you apply for the new one, the passport office puts big hole in your old one signifying that you have a new one in process.

So I dunno man. Maybe she has changed her mind.

Good luck

[Skane Henrik]

Hello,

I have been dating a Russian woman on the internet for a while. We will meet. She wants to go Vilnius, Lithuania. I live in Sweden. She has got a rail ticket Moscow. Vilnius and paid for 3 single nights in Vilnius. We are planing to stay at the same hotel. Now she says that she will go to China, for a business trip, and since her passport expires in September (China demands min. 6 months validity after the last date on her Chinese visa) , she needs to get a new passport. Can she still use her old passport for the trip to Lithuania, and make the new passport. Or does she need to hand in the old passport while making a new passport, barring her for international trips for a month. Or is she lying. She is in her 30:s and is good looking. I have not sent any money. There seem to be some special, not Schengen, visa valid for Lithuania, if you have prepaid everything. She seems to have enough money, but as I have only met her in Skype, who knows.

My question: Can you make a new passport (international and biometric) and still continue to use the old one.

It seems that they last year, in Russia, made some new biometric passports, why did she not get a new one at that time, valid for 10 years. If she, as she says is working for a big international company in Moscow, it seems strange. Maybe she just does not want to meet me.

[Pizdyets]

But keep in mind, that "dating for free" in Moscow will be far more expensive than "dating" not for free" lol. should be more fun though.

Amen to that, bro, on both counts.

[Alxxx]

Jake,

if you want dating for free than probably Moscow is the best option.

If you want paid sex - Kharkov, Ukraine or Russian provinces are a good option. In Kharkov, for example, you can find a good girl for 30-40 dollars.

But keep in mind, that "dating for free" in Moscow will be far more expensive than "dating" not for free" lol. should be more fun though.

[Dymytry]

Well I have never been in Russia before, and therefore I want to go to Russia because I like Russian girls. But which city to go? Which city in Russia are much more easy to get girl for dating?

I appreciate more tip and advice.

Jake,

if you want dating for free than probably Moscow is the best option.

If you want paid sex - Kharkov, Ukraine or Russian provinces are a good option. In Kharkov, for example, you can find a good girl for 30-40 dollars.

[Jake Vio]

Well I have never been in Russia before, and therefore I want to go to Russia because I like Russian girls. But which city to go? Which city in Russia are much more easy to get girl for dating?

I appreciate more tip and advice.

[Prosal]

Prosal - send me a PM when you know your schedule and hopefully we can hook up for a mojito.

Thanks for the mojito offer Pizdyets.

It will be a nice change from what, given my budget, will obviously be my everyday in Moscow, that is drinking Stolichnaya from the bottle in parks.

[Pizdyets]

Right !

That's why Prosal I suggested you Moscow as city where to spend your 3 months holidays and even 1 month and half in Moscow is better than 3 months in any other cities....imho.

It is fun, but it's not cheap... not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not an oligarch, but I do have a salary well into the 6 figures (usd, eur, gbp - your pick), and routinely spend $500 on a night out (and that's not including any p4p). Granted, I only go out a night or two a week on average, but even that equates to something on the order of $30K/year for "entertainment".

If you're hitting the provinces, it'll likely be twice as cheap, if not better. And higher "white god factor", most likely. Along with poor (on average) English skills among the resident deffki, another problem with the provincial cities is lack of anonymity. You won't have the same breadth of cafes, clubs, restaurants that a huge, cosmopolitan city like Moscow will give you. And thus, if you burn bridges with someone in a small city, it's more likely to come back and bite you in the ass.

Prosal - send me a PM when you know your schedule and hopefully we can hook up for a mojito.

[Prosal]

That's why Prosal I suggested you Moscow as city where to spend your 3 months holidays and even 1 month and half in Moscow is better than 3 months in any other cities....imho.

You're surely right Luka, nonetheless wherever I can go, I deeply believe that the more you stay in one single place (wheverer it is in FSU), the more chances you have to score true top-level women. Two weeks is just not long enough. One month is better. Two monthes is top-notch. Three monthes and you may never want to leave.

Any FSU city with a population of 700 000 + can be heaven if you spend enough time there IMO (of course, only if you accept all the discomfort, drawbacks, disappointments and immense moments of solitude, boredom and doubt that implies a long stay in a FSU second-tier city). Anyhow I personally wouldn't change three weeks in Novokursnetsk, Rostov-on-Don or Vladivostok (well, ok, admittedly places where I've never been, but am eager to visit) for three weeks in Rio or Bangkok. But as usual, to each its own.

[Eros74]

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Chasing in Moscow clubs seems fun as hell BTW....

Right !

That's why Prosal I suggested you Moscow as city where to spend your 3 months holidays and even 1 month and half in Moscow is better than 3 months in any other cities....imho.

[Angus Magee]

+1. That is the all point of mongering. Always wanting more. In that respect, we are all here sexual deviants in some way.

Agreed except I do not think it is deviance. I think pretending to yourself that you will be satisfied with one woman for the rest of your life, until death do you part, is pretty deviant. The hound dog behavior demonstrated by our brethren is actually much more in line with how things are for most men.

But thinking it will ever satisfy is fooling yourself.

AM

[AColonizer]

I need to disagree.

Before of all, here men are not "deviants" (as you said), in fact I smile when I read posts here because these are childish things in comparison of what, for example, my married work colleagues usually think and DO with prostitutes (with similar ages of their daughters).

The reality is men in Western countries have forgot what is genuine sex.

It is our nature of males and females, men want to fuck at least once a day, and to fuck mouth, pussy and ass, and to fuck more than one girl at the same time, and females are happy to try new sexual experiences.

Instead it is unnatural when society prevent freedom of sex.

+1. That is the all point of mongering. Always wanting more. In that respect, we are all here sexual deviants in some way.
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