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  1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    When a woman is independent and is making her own money, then guys often feel uncomfortable with that. Because they have nothing to offer to the lady in a way of trade and exchange. It's like why would she choose you and not someone else? And why would she want to stay with you, if you have any kind of serious disagreement?

    I haven't been in France, but I've seen proud and independent women marrying guys in another place. They were older white women marrying much younger, good-looking, big and tall black guys, who came to their country as temporary agricultural workers. These were the kind of guys that an older, not so-good-looking woman might want but never get under any other circumstances.

    A guy who can't be the breadwinner for the family isn't a 'real man' in most places. This isn't just a Russian thing. It's like this almost everywhere. That's why economic insecurity, where women normally work and earn their own money, usually leads to decreased marriage rates and decreased birth rates. And of course, it's all relative. Because it's not whether the guy is earning any money or not. It's whether he is earning more money than the woman or not. If the woman earns more money than a lot of guys, then a lot of guys aren't real men for her, and she has trouble finding someone.

    But even economically insecure guys often have some disposable income that they can spend at one time or another. And when there are economically insecure women who also need the money, then these ladies and guys are a good match for each other for short-term relationships. That's how sex-work arises and thrives.
    But when many Russian women love money more than everything else, so, even Russian women are among the prettiest with highest care for themselves and most elegant with really attractive Slavian charm, some being fire in bed, but not so interesting than many independent women making their own money, but looking for love, pleasure to feel woman, and choose you and ask you for this, and if you are able to take care of her to make her feel woman, then you are her one, not your money. Russian women look for money because they know they are woman, independent women look for feeling woman, more interesting playfield to make them feel, than just paying for a woman.

  2. #480

    Sorry, no.

    The point is that the word 'poklonnik' in today's Russian is mostly used as in "I'm your fan," when you're being introduced to a celebrity of any kind. It's the most precise CURRENT interpretation despite not being a literal translation. Otherwise, 'poklonnik' is an old-fashioned word rarely used in real-life conversations.

    I probably should've mentioned that Russian is my native language, but I didn't expect such an elaborate argument, LOL.

    I'm not going to argue about the old-book usage of this word (although even then it wasn't used sexually, but in romantic context).

    Lapdog? That would be 'ruchnaya sobachka', and it has a very negative, disdainful meaning.

    'Poklonnik' has never meant 'god worshipper'. But in this case, I, at least, know where you're coming from. People who worshipped deities in pre-Christian Rus, are called 'idolopoklonnik. ' So there is that.

    Back to the Present. Saying to a Russian sex worker "I'm your poklonnik" would sound weird. Russian men would never do that (maybe jokingly). I mean she might give you an "A" for the effort, but there are better ways to compliment a Russian woman.

    If you insist, here is how I can imagine using this word in real life.

    If you keep coming to a brothel picking the same regular every time, you might say eventually: "Here I am -- your loyal poklonnik. ".

    And BTW, 'poklonnik' easily and literally translates to English. It's 'admirer'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talents_and_Admirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    In English, the word 'fan' comes from the word 'fanatic'. It originated in USA in 1880's, when sports became popular, and many people became sports fanatics, which was shorted to the word 'fans'.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fan

    But the Russian word 'poklonnik' has much older origins. It originally had religious meaning. It meant worshipper, and it still has this meaning. This word has also acquired sexual meaning. It means that someone is in love with a woman, whom he wants but doesn't have a permanent relationship with. And a common use of this word is where a beautiful woman is surrounded by poklonniks. Which certainly applies to hot women, who do it for money with guys.

    https://slovarozhegova.ru/word.php?wordid=22170

    So, the origin and the connotation of the Russian word 'poklonnik' is totally different from that of the English word 'fan'. Being a fanatic is totally different from being a worshipper. Fanatic doesn't imply any deference or respect. But the Russian word 'poklonnik' does imply that.

    This difference in meaning is lost, when you translate from one language to another. Because if you use Google Translate, then poklonnik does indeed translate into the word 'fan'. But this isn't an accurate translation. Because it changes the meaning and gives it a different connotation.

    There is no equivalent word in English, and that's why you get this bad translation. It's the best translation that can be done. But for a Russian guy describing himself as the lady's poklonnik, it clearly means respect and admiration almost bordering on religious worshipping. And this is something English speakers don't get, when they translate the word 'poklonnik' into the word 'fan'.

  3. #479
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    My meaning was a man who is not able to bring money to his woman, is not a real man for many Russian women. In France, many women are proud to be independent, making their own money.
    When a woman is independent and is making her own money, then guys often feel uncomfortable with that. Because they have nothing to offer to the lady in a way of trade and exchange. It's like why would she choose you and not someone else? And why would she want to stay with you, if you have any kind of serious disagreement?

    I haven't been in France, but I've seen proud and independent women marrying guys in another place. They were older white women marrying much younger, good-looking, big and tall black guys, who came to their country as temporary agricultural workers. These were the kind of guys that an older, not so-good-looking woman might want but never get under any other circumstances.

    A guy who can't be the breadwinner for the family isn't a 'real man' in most places. This isn't just a Russian thing. It's like this almost everywhere. That's why economic insecurity, where women normally work and earn their own money, usually leads to decreased marriage rates and decreased birth rates. And of course, it's all relative. Because it's not whether the guy is earning any money or not. It's whether he is earning more money than the woman or not. If the woman earns more money than a lot of guys, then a lot of guys aren't real men for her, and she has trouble finding someone.

    But even economically insecure guys often have some disposable income that they can spend at one time or another. And when there are economically insecure women who also need the money, then these ladies and guys are a good match for each other for short-term relationships. That's how sex-work arises and thrives.

  4. #478
    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestBoi  [View Original Post]
    I believe what you are describing is termed a lapdog in English. It doesn't have a very good connotation. It may be different in Russia.
    Yes, I agree. The English word 'lapdog' captures more meaning of the word 'poklonnik', than the word 'fan'.

    But lapdog isn't an accurate translation either. Because this word implies disrespect for the guy worshipping the lady. It's like his behavior is inappropriate, and he shouldn't be doing that.

    'Lapdog' is something other people say about a guy. It's not a word that a guy would use to describe himself. And a hot lady wouldn't normally say that she surrounded by lapdogs as a way of liking and accepting this situation.

    But the Russian word 'poklonnik' doesn't have any such bad meaning either for the guy or for the lady. So, guys readily describe themselves as the hot lady's poklonniks. And when someone tells the hot woman that she surrounded by poklonniks, then this is a complement for her, rather than some kind of a joke to laugh at. Both the guys and the lady accept their roles in this kind of a relationship. And that's what makes the word 'poklonnik' different from the word 'lapdog'.

    I think the reason why Russians have the word 'poklonnik' but the English don't have an equivalent word is because such relationships exist in Russian society between hot women and guys, but in the English world such relationships don't exist. So, this is really a difference in culture and relationships, rather than just a difference in language.

  5. #477
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]
    Poklonnik means "fan. " Just like that. "Ya vash poklonnik" means I'm your fan. This word is usually used when meeting a celebrity (a porn star will qualify, though). It's a bit old-fashioned, and it's not normally used in sexual context, although nothing is impossible.
    In English, the word 'fan' comes from the word 'fanatic'. It originated in USA in 1880's, when sports became popular, and many people became sports fanatics, which was shorted to the word 'fans'.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fan

    But the Russian word 'poklonnik' has much older origins. It originally had religious meaning. It meant worshipper, and it still has this meaning. This word has also acquired sexual meaning. It means that someone is in love with a woman, whom he wants but doesn't have a permanent relationship with. And a common use of this word is where a beautiful woman is surrounded by poklonniks. Which certainly applies to hot women, who do it for money with guys.

    https://slovarozhegova.ru/word.php?wordid=22170

    So, the origin and the connotation of the Russian word 'poklonnik' is totally different from that of the English word 'fan'. Being a fanatic is totally different from being a worshipper. Fanatic doesn't imply any deference or respect. But the Russian word 'poklonnik' does imply that.

    This difference in meaning is lost, when you translate from one language to another. Because if you use Google Translate, then poklonnik does indeed translate into the word 'fan'. But this isn't an accurate translation. Because it changes the meaning and gives it a different connotation.

    There is no equivalent word in English, and that's why you get this bad translation. It's the best translation that can be done. But for a Russian guy describing himself as the lady's poklonnik, it clearly means respect and admiration almost bordering on religious worshipping. And this is something English speakers don't get, when they translate the word 'poklonnik' into the word 'fan'.

  6. #476

    You're overthinking it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    In Russian language there is a word 'Poklonnik'. It literally translates into English as 'worshipper'. But its actual meaning is that of a guy worshipping the ass of a hot lass.

    Poklonnik is a guy who falls for some hot woman and lusts after her with a lot of deference and respect. And he isn't the only one lusting after her pussy and bum. Such a lady usually has many guy liking her and doing favors for her.

    Some Russian guys use this word 'Poklonnik' to describe their relationship with a hot sex-worker lady, who does it for money with them. They refer to themselves as this lady's Poklonniks. I've seen the word 'Poklonnik' being used this way in some Russian sex-forums.

    There is no equivalent word for this in the English language. Because people in the West usually see sex-work as a kind of commercial transaction. In the West, guys might even feel superior to the sex-worker lady and look down on her. Which is the opposite of being the lady's Poklonnik, where you get down on your knees and worship the ass of your hot lass, like she is doing a favor for you by spreading her cheeks for you.

    Perhaps there is a somewhat similar idea in Western culture. It's that of a porn fan. A hot porn-star is a like a sex-goddess for many fans lusting after her. And many fans do admire and desire such ladies. But of course, porn-fans only watch the hot lady's debauch. They don't do any personal favors for the lady. She doesn't meet them and doesn't even know them. So, it's all very impersonal and not quite the same as being a Russian Poklonnik of some hot lady you like.

    And for some reason, people in the West don't usually transfer this idea of being the hot lady's fan to sex-worker ladies who actually meet guys and have sex with them. Most people see some fundamental difference between porn-stars and sex-worker ladies who do it for money with guys. It's like porn-stars doing it for money are like sex-goddesses. But similar women doing it for money with ordinary guys are like lowly, fallen women, who perhaps need to be pitied, rather than respected and worshipped.

    Perhaps being the lady's Poklonnik isn't the only way Russian men relate to sex-worker ladies. But this is more of a thing in Russia, than in the west. And it's not just guys who see themselves this way. The hot ladies also play their part in response. They see themselves as Beauty Queens who descend from their thrones to play around with cocky bones. Her subjects have a need, and she does the deed. But she is the one superior to them, doing her royal favors for them. And the guys agree with that, even while they pound her sexy butt.
    Poklonnik means "fan. " Just like that. "Ya vash poklonnik" means I'm your fan. This word is usually used when meeting a celebrity (a porn star will qualify, though). It's a bit old-fashioned, and it's not normally used in sexual context, although nothing is impossible.

  7. #475
    I believe what you are describing is termed a lapdog in English. It doesn't have a very good connotation. It may be different in Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    In Russian language there is a word 'Poklonnik'. It literally translates into English as 'worshipper'. But its actual meaning is that of a guy worshipping the ass of a hot lass...
    There is no equivalent word for this in the English language.
    .

  8. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    I'd say it's not the removal of the wall that changed people's behavior. It's increased economic insecurity.

    When people have trouble paying their bills, and they aren't sure if they'll be able to pay their bills in the future, then of course they will care about money. Because this is worry about survival and being able to fulfill your basic needs. Which is perfectly reasonable for people who are economically insecure. Money is just a means for getting what you need and want.

    Women know that they lose their attractiveness, when they get old. So, it makes sense for them to accumulate some money, while they are able to do so. Or else they might end up in a bad situation, when they get old. And of course, women also worry about money because they often have children or can potentially have a child, whom they need to support. And women don't always have a man to help them out with that. There is some insecurity in this too.

    So, it doesn't make sense to blame women for wanting money, as long as their demand is reasonable and they are willing to do something in return for it. There can be some unfairness in this. But this unfairness comes from the government, rather than from women. It's governments who make all kinds of rules and laws for regulating relationships between men and women. Politicians are seldom nice people. They are good at quarreling and blaming each other to make the other look bad and themselves look good. So, it's no surprise that the rules and the laws they make aren't always fair and nice.

    Arbitrary and unfair rules and laws is what you really need to worry about, when you marry someone. This is what makes men feel insecure about marriage and long-term commitment..
    My meaning was a man who is not able to bring money to his woman, is not a real man for many Russian women. In France, many women are proud to be independent, making their own money.

  9. #473

    Differences in sex culture between Russia and other places

    In Russian language there is a word 'Poklonnik'. It literally translates into English as 'worshipper'. But its actual meaning is that of a guy worshipping the ass of a hot lass.

    Poklonnik is a guy who falls for some hot woman and lusts after her with a lot of deference and respect. And he isn't the only one lusting after her pussy and bum. Such a lady usually has many guy liking her and doing favors for her.

    Some Russian guys use this word 'Poklonnik' to describe their relationship with a hot sex-worker lady, who does it for money with them. They refer to themselves as this lady's Poklonniks. I've seen the word 'Poklonnik' being used this way in some Russian sex-forums.

    There is no equivalent word for this in the English language. Because people in the West usually see sex-work as a kind of commercial transaction. In the West, guys might even feel superior to the sex-worker lady and look down on her. Which is the opposite of being the lady's Poklonnik, where you get down on your knees and worship the ass of your hot lass, like she is doing a favor for you by spreading her cheeks for you.

    Perhaps there is a somewhat similar idea in Western culture. It's that of a porn fan. A hot porn-star is a like a sex-goddess for many fans lusting after her. And many fans do admire and desire such ladies. But of course, porn-fans only watch the hot lady's debauch. They don't do any personal favors for the lady. She doesn't meet them and doesn't even know them. So, it's all very impersonal and not quite the same as being a Russian Poklonnik of some hot lady you like.

    And for some reason, people in the West don't usually transfer this idea of being the hot lady's fan to sex-worker ladies who actually meet guys and have sex with them. Most people see some fundamental difference between porn-stars and sex-worker ladies who do it for money with guys. It's like porn-stars doing it for money are like sex-goddesses. But similar women doing it for money with ordinary guys are like lowly, fallen women, who perhaps need to be pitied, rather than respected and worshipped.

    Perhaps being the lady's Poklonnik isn't the only way Russian men relate to sex-worker ladies. But this is more of a thing in Russia, than in the west. And it's not just guys who see themselves this way. The hot ladies also play their part in response. They see themselves as Beauty Queens who descend from their thrones to play around with cocky bones. Her subjects have a need, and she does the deed. But she is the one superior to them, doing her royal favors for them. And the guys agree with that, even while they pound her sexy butt.

  10. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    Since no more wall, Russian women turned to really love money, many wait their man to give them money and buy them jewels, fashion. For my tastes, they are the prettiest and one of the more elegant, but not anymore the prettiest when getting older. Better to speak Russian with Russian girls. Going to Russia without speaking Russian may be a bit complicated to meet women. Maybe easier to find a nice, really honest one in far deep poor Siberia or Oural or Kamchatka.
    I'd say it's not the removal of the wall that changed people's behavior. It's increased economic insecurity.

    When people have trouble paying their bills, and they aren't sure if they'll be able to pay their bills in the future, then of course they will care about money. Because this is worry about survival and being able to fulfill your basic needs. Which is perfectly reasonable for people who are economically insecure. Money is just a means for getting what you need and want.

    Women know that they lose their attractiveness, when they get old. So, it makes sense for them to accumulate some money, while they are able to do so. Or else they might end up in a bad situation, when they get old. And of course, women also worry about money because they often have children or can potentially have a child, whom they need to support. And women don't always have a man to help them out with that. There is some insecurity in this too.

    So, it doesn't make sense to blame women for wanting money, as long as their demand is reasonable and they are willing to do something in return for it. There can be some unfairness in this. But this unfairness comes from the government, rather than from women. It's governments who make all kinds of rules and laws for regulating relationships between men and women. Politicians are seldom nice people. They are good at quarreling and blaming each other to make the other look bad and themselves look good. So, it's no surprise that the rules and the laws they make aren't always fair and nice.

    Arbitrary and unfair rules and laws is what you really need to worry about, when you marry someone. This is what makes men feel insecure about marriage and long-term commitment.

    When people are insecure, and they don't fully trust each other for good reasons, then they avoid making any big and long-term commitments. Because the bigger and the longer your commitment, the greater is your risk of things turning out bad for you. It makes more sense to have short-term relationships, without any permanent commitment, to reduce your risk. Because if your short-term relationship doesn't work out, and you lose something, then your loss is limited and it doesn't totally ruin your life. And of course, in this situation it also makes sense for people to avoid having children. Because having a child is a long-term responsibility and a big commitment. Which doesn't make sense to do, when you feel insecure and unsure about your future. This is true for both men and women.

    Men and women still need and want each other for companionship, sex, pleasure, and economic support. And they both can still get some of that by having short-term relationships with each other. This is making the best of a bad situation. And of course, not everybody is in a good position to find a long-term partner, even in an ideal society. You might be sick, shy, unattractive, relatively poor, or old. And in this situation it makes no sense for a woman to have a committed, long-term relationship with you. But some women are still willing to take a good drilling even in such a situation. Because they are doing it as a favor for the guy in exchange for compensation. Which is essentially work, or sex-work in this case.

    There is always a need for short-term relationships, even in an ideal society. But when society is screwed up and people feel unsure and insecure about their present and their future, then having short-term relationships might be what makes the most sense for most people.

    So, instead of thinking about marriage and looking for someone, you might be better off looking for a lady, who is a short-term baddie with cocky guys like you.

  11. #471
    Since no more wall, Russian women turned to really love money, many wait their man to give them money and buy them jewels, fashion. For my tastes, they are the prettiest and one of the more elegant, but not anymore the prettiest when getting older. Better to speak Russian with Russian girls. Going to Russia without speaking Russian may be a bit complicated to meet women. Maybe easier to find a nice, really honest one in far deep poor Siberia or Oural or Kamchatka.

  12. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by Member#4615  [View Original Post]
    Good one. The title says it all "Benefits. " sadly that's what a lot of them look for when getting a husband.

    But let's be fair, some well intention women can also be found in Russia. Or at least I have been told so.
    Based on my own experience with relationships and women, I'd say that you don't really know if you are compatible with somebody or not, until you live with that person for about a year or so.

    So, if you are marrying someone without having lived with that person for a substantial period of time, then you are jumping into the unknown and hoping for the best. Sometimes it works out well, and sometimes it doesn't.

    People usually break up because of some conflict or disagreement. So, if you want to reduce your risk of such a break up, then you need to observe and find out how the two of you handle your disagreements, even minor ones. Do you resolve your disagreements quickly and easily for mutual satisfaction? Or does one of you win and the other loses all the time? Or do you just leave your disagreements festering for a long time without any resolution?

    I'd say that only your ability to resolve your disagreements quickly and easily for mutual satisfaction bodes well for your future relationship. The other two usually lead to a break up eventually.

    So, how you resolve your disagreements is definitely something to look for. And if you haven't yet had disagreements, and you don't know how you usually resolve your disagreements, then you don't really know what you are getting into, when you marry such a person. This is like jumping into the dark and hoping for the best.

    But the problem with my advice is that you don't usually have an opportunity to live with someone and find out how you resolve your disagreements. So, it's common for people to take a risk, jump into the dark so to say, and hope for the best. But when you do this, then you need to be realistic and not be surprised, when your relationship fails. You need to be prepared for a failure of your relationship, when you take such a big risk.

    And of course marrying someone from another country and culture is even more risky than marrying someone from a country and culture you know. Because in such a situation even common sense can be misleading. What's common sense in her country and culture might not be common sense in yours. So, you can have conflicts and misunderstandings about things that you don't even normally think about. And this is something you won't necessarily experience, until you live with that person for a while.

  13. #469
    Russian women have a bad rep for doing a runner when they reach western countries so embassies are hard on them to give out visas unless they have a good job to return too. Many guys got married and then couldn't get them over to their country unless their credentials were top notch. Such a violin player or a piano player.

  14. #468
    Quote Originally Posted by NakedGunz  [View Original Post]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QslnGieHc_c

    OK, so you guys that marry Russian women, look at this and be aware that they are coming away with this BS in their head! She's learned to not give a shit about her weight, not keep her man happy with good food, he will be slapped by society into loyalty, and that he can fucking take care of himself-no doubt while she's out spending your money. Fair Warning!
    Good one. The title says it all "Benefits. " sadly that's what a lot of them look for when getting a husband.

    But let's be fair, some well intention women can also be found in Russia. Or at least I have been told so.

  15. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by NakedGunz  [View Original Post]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QslnGieHc_c

    OK, so you guys that marry Russian women, look at this and be aware that they are coming away with this BS in their head! She's learned to not give a shit about her weight, not keep her man happy with good food, he will be slapped by society into loyalty, and that he can fucking take care of himself-no doubt while she's out spending your money. Fair Warning!
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good post! You, sir have performed a valuable public service.

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