Russian Women - Opinions and Advice

[Prosal]

I'd say that if you are going to marry a Russian woman, then marry a P4P lady, who has decided to retire. Because you probably will have a lot better understanding with her than you will have with a woman, whom you meet through a dating agency.

This is total BS nonsense. I have never met a Russian woman that wasn't a freak in bed. They are into the hard-core, long and passionate no holds barred sex. They like it rough and dirty. They are sexual bombs. All of them.

[Dan7373]

Gentlemen:

I have a friend. Mid 50's. Just got put on disability a year ago because of an accident at work. Approximately 10 years ago he goes to Russian and meets "the love of his life" at a romance social. 1st mistake. The letter's flow and he goes back and sees her and files for a Fiancee Visa with immigration and brings her and her teenage son and daughter to "the land of the big PX".2nd mistake. He is from Wyoming and has no education except a GED. Has a good union job and makes a 110K per year. She doesn't like Wyoming (she is from Kingissep) and talks him into giving up his seniority and moving to the Pacific Northwest. Well, her being a city girl she wants the best house, car, money. 2K purses. The list goes on an on. Fast forward 9 years. He's injured and placed on disibility and she now has a green card, good job, and her kids have been educated compliments of his 401K. On top of that he got her son out of being drafted into the Russian army. She decides that she doesn't want him around all the time and says she wants out. THEN the credit card bills arrive to the tune of 57K. He get's hung for all of it and has to declare bankruptcy. The house is stripped of the leather couches and all the goodies when he come home to a restraining order. He has to pay income tax on the 401K loans and is virtually BROKE. And disabled with no job. When you meet these girls BEWARE! They are no different than the ladies here in the US. Sometimes worse and the legal system protects them to no end from the "sex-maniac" Americans. Trust me gents the word is out over there on how to clean someone out and leave. P4P for ever!

Perhaps the lady this guy married wasn't a P4P lady. She was just an average woman from Russia with unrealistic expectations in USA.

I've known a couple other guys who married Russian women. These women probably never worked P4P, and their sexual attitude sucked. Their guys these ladies labeled as sex maniacs, when they found the guys' porn stashes. And of course, these guys didn't get to have much sex with their Russian wives, even the most simple sex in the missionary position.

I'd say that if you are going to marry a Russian woman, then marry a P4P lady, who has decided to retire. Because you probably will have a lot better understanding with her than you will have with a woman, whom you meet through a dating agency.

[Dan7373]

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I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.

I agree. Being a little pushy with the pretty lady can eventually pay off in a big way.

I was involved in a steady relationship with an attractive woman. At first our sex life was okay. But it went downhill, and we weren't having as much sex as I wanted to. So I decided to take this matter literally into my hands. When she was stepping over me to get on the other side of the bed, I grabbed her pussy through her panties and gave it a good rub. It was an opportunity I couldn't resist, because her legs were spread wide apart. She didn't say anything in response and just lay down on the bed with her back towards me. Without thinking twice, I quickly reached between her legs, plunged my hand inside her panties, spread her pussy-lips, found her clitoris and started masturbating it a little using her own pussy-lips. Then all of a sudden I heard a loud slap and felt pain on my pussy-hand. Apparently, my pretty lady slapped my hand real hard as a way of saying a big 'No! ' to me.

I didn't know she could be so strong. Her slap on my hand was painful indeed, and quickly remove my hand from her pussy I certainly did. I was upset about it of course. And the next morning I was ready to leave her. But she took my hand and rubbed it on her tits and on her pussy. And such persuasion from her I couldn't resist. I grabbed her pussy through her pants. She spread her legs to let me feel her pussy. And I proceeded to massage her pussy right through her pants with a firm hand, until she shuddered in what looked to me like a reasonable orgasm.

After this, she let me massage and masturbate her pussy, whenever I felt like it. And I took advantage of her good will to create a sexual habit for her. I bought plenty of lube and set up a masturbation program for her, where I would masturbate her pussy to orgasm every day at exactly the same time of the day. I even set an alarm clock to make sure I started massaging and masturbating her pussy at exactly the same time of the day, every day. She got so used to having orgasm at this time of the day that after a while I didn't need my alarm clock anymore. She started to remind me gently it was that time of the day for her.

In psychology, this kind of habituation is called temporal conditioning. Basically, her body got used to being sexually aroused at the same time of the day every day. And because of this, her sexual arousal began to happen automatically, just because it was that time of the day.

Our relationship improved a lot as a result of such daily pleasure for her. Whenever we would have a disagreement and she would get angry at me, I would do whatever was necessary to resolve our disagreement quickly. And then I would grab her pussy and masturbate her to orgasm right through her clothing to seal our peace deal. After a while she even started to joke about it. First, she would point to her pussy and say to me that this is my wife. And then she would point to my right hand and say that this is her husband.

[Prosal]

or even for forgiveness!

This is from a thread on the Kiev board, but I thought it had more general application to all EE women, and in fact to women almost anywhere. Including the West / USA.

I think this is excellent advice, especially for EE women, but probably for almost any women.

We have been conditioned to be timid and to seek "permission" at every step of a relationship / make-out session and this is bad for everyone.

Bad for us, because it denies us the pleasures we desire, plus the dominance we yearn for.

Bad for her, because it puts her in the position Barba describes, of having to say YES to our dirty-minded suggestions, when she can simply acquiesce and have the pleasure of being a sex toy without having the embarrassment of admitting she wants to be.

Bad for the relationship, because fundamentally women want to be dominated and are disappointed by our hesitation to be "real men".

I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.

I realize that I have still been reluctant to force a more aggressive sexual agenda (different positions, more oral) on her, instead trying to get her to talk about new things. Like marriage counselors tell you to.

That is a dead-end, she is never going to want to talk about blow jobs or being tied up, if I want it, I will just have to keep pushing until she says NO (with meaning).

We all know that with Russian women, one has to be manly, forward, direct and uncompromising. BUT you need combining it with humour, intelligence, empahty, respect, sentimentality and sensitivity. Being solely rude and oafish will lead you nowhere. I find Barba statements about photos and videos a pretty ugly behavior. When a girl understands that you don't respect her, she'll give you no respect either.

[Gentleman Travel]

or even for forgiveness!

This is from a thread on the Kiev board, but I thought it had more general application to all EE women, and in fact to women almost anywhere. Including the West / USA.

The (too few) times I have been bold have led to my greatest successes with Ukrainian & Russian women and EE women living in the West.

The times I have acted like I was dealing with western women, I have had to struggle to succeed.

I was once upon a time also just a western guy doing it the western way, but realized that command is a better way to go with most women (also in the west and also after 10 years of relation). No experience in Ukraine yet, but the "don't ask, just do" principle works everywhere. Photos, anal sex, videos, gagging, just do it without asking for f*cking permission always. She can say NO easily so why put her in the awkward position of saying YES to something that will clearly make her look like the first class cum sl*t she might be?

Barba

I think this is excellent advice, especially for EE women, but probably for almost any women.

We have been conditioned to be timid and to seek "permission" at every step of a relationship / make-out session and this is bad for everyone.

Bad for us, because it denies us the pleasures we desire, plus the dominance we yearn for.

Bad for her, because it puts her in the position Barba describes, of having to say YES to our dirty-minded suggestions, when she can simply acquiesce and have the pleasure of being a sex toy without having the embarrassment of admitting she wants to be.

Bad for the relationship, because fundamentally women want to be dominated and are disappointed by our hesitation to be "real men".

I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.

I realize that I have still been reluctant to force a more aggressive sexual agenda (different positions, more oral) on her, instead trying to get her to talk about new things. Like marriage counselors tell you to.

That is a dead-end, she is never going to want to talk about blow jobs or being tied up, if I want it, I will just have to keep pushing until she says NO (with meaning).

[Iceberg27]

i was in piter for the last five days. i sticked to freebie scene in rossi club. unfortunately i have to admit that had no score but two balls hit the goal post.

one was a a bit fat blonde. she was drunk and she was pushing me for a moment and hugging and giving me a kiss another point. you should see that. she was telling me go and pulling me with her hands for a dance.

another was a woman with a daughter and good carreer named olga. i left her home with taxi and she wanted to meet me in hermitage museum tomorrow. unfortunately i had to get back tomorrow so i couldn't accept her offer.

except these two, i get thousands of "no!","i am sorry" and push with hands. something i am very curious about is these close friends. i really don't understand them. you talk to a girl. she looks ok with this and suddenly in a second her close friends come and grabs her and bring to a far corner and tell me "sorry we have to go!"i really don't understand this and feel very angry with it. is this a protection for her or what? yeah but she can go easily if she doesn't want to talk or is this a jealous behaviour or what? look at the third night on this post.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1193955

and the second thing that i want to understand is they are ok with foreign guys or they always prefer to be with a russian man? because when i was there many russian guys had gf's easily. i am 33 years old and fat. moreover i can't speak russian. maybe it's the reason but i am really confused about it. yes a russian guy will be more stable more hopefull for a ltr but when i was talking to olga she told me she wouldn't be with a russian guy because of level (she shows her head with a finger and make a circle. she works in a italian company btw.) and then why i get these so much no? anyway at the end of night she didn't accept my offer to come to my house and didn't deceived my other games in the taxi (can i come to your apartment? please i really drink too much beer! i must [CodeWord134] asap!)

finally i discovered maybe i am using the wrong methods to approach and probably many foreing guys making the same mistake. go directly touch her and try to kiss on dance floor. they don't like it. maybe a true aprroachment strategy must be something like that;

1) smile her on dance floor.

2) do some remarkable dance figures and smile her again.

3) say something to her ear. (priviet, kak vaz zavut? do you speak english?)

4) if she is ok with it. get closer and dance with her together during a song and don't forget to keep smiling and to look happy with it.

5) ask for a drink. they usually don't refuse for a drink and if she is a * she takes the drink and go talk with other guys.

6) when you are having the drink, talk to her as much as possible. talk about her preferrations of food, music, life. you like here so much and another important point; you are really here in this club for the first time."my hotel or apartment is very close to here. normally i don't come such places."

7) if everything goes fine, ask for a second drink. talk more sincerely. (again a very important point. pay attention for close friends. be in a good relationship with them but not too much! they shouldn't think that you are hanging on both of (or three of) them. in this short time period they should visit her for a few times to check everything fine or just give her bag because she will go toilet. (of course they are checking if everything fine or very curious about what kind of a man is this that my friend talk to)

8) get closer. touch her. say something directly to her ear. ask for dancing again. try to touch and hug and kiss as much as possible on that second dance. get back to bar. drink one more. if you can make her drunk you will have three times more luck for a happy end in your hotel. touch her, hug her, get closer. leave the stupid chat about what is your favourite color, how much you like russian cuisine or how cold is your country bullsheet. now it's time to get closer and closer.

9) tell her you want to be sure that she arrive home safely so you want to leave her home or ask for just a coffee in your room. if you are on first option try i need to [CodeWord134] tactic or other thing. if you are on second option you did it. congratulations!

i am open for your furher discussions or advices. i am just a few times in russian clubs. just wanted to share my experinces with newbies.

ciao.

[Jake993]

I just assumed after a conversation like that, a seasoned professional like Jake wouldn't let that past him without having a go. And I'm glad to hear she was worth it!

I've been the married route a few times (one memorable one was the mother / daughter combo of '07) but always paid for the service. Never really followed the freebie trail. We have plenty in the office who would fall into this pool of potential. Might be worth exploring. I'm short of a couple of sponsorettes from the doghouse, might look at this to fill the gap?

Cheers.

Dog

You guys are giving me too much credit this time. She was quite aggressive and made it quite clear that she wanted sex. She was and still is worth it. But there's a downside too. She's got her own life and her own schedule. I can't just call her whenever I feel like it and ask her to come over for a "roll in the hay". But it's certainly worth exploring as an alternative source of talent.

[Dogger862]

I must be slowing up, Jake, as I hadn't taken it for granted from your report that you moved in for 'Coup de Grace'???

I just assumed after a conversation like that, a seasoned professional like Jake wouldn't let that past him without having a go. And I'm glad to hear she was worth it!

I've been the married route a few times (one memorable one was the mother / daughter combo of '07) but always paid for the service. Never really followed the freebie trail. We have plenty in the office who would fall into this pool of potential. Might be worth exploring. I'm short of a couple of sponsorettes from the doghouse, might look at this to fill the gap?

Cheers.

Dog

[Gergiev]

In the wake of the Presidential election on Sunday, I am starting to understand why Putin won 64% of the vote. People may not be in love with Vladimir Putin, he is clearly a good provider and a source of stability.

Leaving the, erm, 64% (no laughing at the back, please) out of it, a better summation than all the thousands of other words in various articles I've read in the last few days!

Did yo know that "The Whisperers" is banned in Russia? .

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???

For real???

So, how was she?

Not to put too fine a point in it, she was (is) spectacular.

I must be slowing up, Jake, as I hadn't taken it for granted from your report that you moved in for 'Coup de Grace'???

[Jake993]

.But don't you think that what is rather unique is that they can mix pragmatism with an enormous potential of emotion and passion?

I could not agree with you more. Taking it one step further, I believe that Russian women can find it possible to be IN LOVE with a man who is not her husband and carry on a quasi affair for years while remaining married to another man. This ability to "compartmentalize" different aspects of their lives is astonishing. And in keeping with the spirit of International Women's Day, I would like to congratulate ALL women out there and wish you peace and happiness.

[Prosal]

I'm not sure if this belongs in this thread or the one called "Dating Russian Women", but here goes.

As many of you know I live in Moscow now for all practical purposes. I keep an apartment, date a few Russian women and consider myself beyond the novice level (but by no means an expert) when dealing with Russian females both on a personal and professional basis.

Recently, one very interesting observation has come to mind. Russian women are extremely pragmatic. OK, I suppose I am not the first one to bring this up, but the other day I came across a sparkling example. I was having drinks with some business associates on a Thursday night when the the subject of extra marital affairs came up. Now, we had all had plenty to drink and one very attractive woman in her late 20's said without any hesitation that she was having an affair with a man (who was also married) and that it was not her first affair since being married from the age of 23.

I decided to inquire a little deeper into the subject and she quite freely explained that while her husband was kind, stable (read a good provider) , a good father to her child (and future children) , and a good husband insofar as he did not beat her and did not come home drunk every night, she was not in love with him and never had been. She went on to say that she chose him 'FOR THIS PURPOSE" of making a family and that love and sexual satisfaction had little to do with it. She found northing wrong with seeking love and sex elsewhere so long as she took steps to be discreet.

She could see that I was intrigued (if not puzzled) by her response and went on further to say that in Russia you don't go seeking the perfect life unless you are an oligarch's daughter. The idea of falling in love, getting married, making a life and having children (in that order) is a bit of a fantasy and if you go into a relationship with this ideal, you will surely be disappointed and live your life in misery. She told me that she and her friends all believe that girls always fall in love with the "wrong man".

In the wake of the Presidential election on Sunday, I am starting to understand why Putin won 64% of the vote. People may not be in love with Vladimir Putin, he is clearly a good provider and a source of stability.

Jake,

Thanks for this enlightment on Russian women psyche. Interesting indeed. But don't you think that what is rather unique is that they can mix pragmatism with an enormous potential of emotion and passion? . My experience is that in every Russian woman there is a Anna Karenine or a Natasha Rostova, and that there is a deep-seated belief, typically Russian, for fate and tragedy, which make them the most passionate and emotional creatures on the planet (and wonderful lovers). This per example doesn't exist in Asian women, who are usually very very pragmatic, but also totally cold-hearted and unpassionate.

[Jake993]

Jake,

Interesting observation.

There is an excellent book out there called "The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin's Russia" by Orlando Fidges. So, how was she? .

I have heard of that book and have meant to read it. I have read,"A People's Tragedy" also by Fidges, and really enjoyed his writing style. BTW. Did yo know that "The Whisperers" is banned in Russia?

Not to put too fine a point in it, she was (is) spectacular. I am in my 50's and THIS is where it's at. Forget the hookers, forget the single girls. These married girls KNOW what they want. They KNOW why they are doing it. No drama, no games. They don't want to go to the clubs, they don't want to go to fancy restaurants, and they don't want money. They just want to come to your place, get some attention and fuck. You have great sex for several hours after work and then at about 23:00, they have to go home! So you walk them to the metro like a gentleman and head to the bar!

[Dogger862]

Jake,

Interesting observation.

There is an excellent book out there called "The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin's Russia" by Orlando Fidges. In it, there is an insight into why Russian women still today marry and have "affairs" as we know them. First and foremost the young women from that period looked for an older man because he could usually offer them more than a younger man could. He was set in life, offer a bigger apartment, car, more rations etc. While these men may not have been exciting, they were stable, good providers and offered a future. Did they always scratch that itch between the legs? No, so the younger men sometimes filled that role, or other older men who may have been able to offer them short term benefits. Conversely, those who married a young man and lived five to a 10m2 apartment would see her short term affairs as being with an older man to get some advantages.

I've experienced that same thing. Not only in my sponsorships but in everyday life. I have been surprised by some of the offers I have received (well, in the early days anyway) and until I read about it in the book I had never really understood it.

So, how was she? .

[Jake993]

I'm not sure if this belongs in this thread or the one called "Dating Russian Women", but here goes.

As many of you know I live in Moscow now for all practical purposes. I keep an apartment, date a few Russian women and consider myself beyond the novice level (but by no means an expert) when dealing with Russian females both on a personal and professional basis.

Recently, one very interesting observation has come to mind. Russian women are extremely pragmatic. OK, I suppose I am not the first one to bring this up, but the other day I came across a sparkling example. I was having drinks with some business associates on a Thursday night when the the subject of extra marital affairs came up. Now, we had all had plenty to drink and one very attractive woman in her late 20's said without any hesitation that she was having an affair with a man (who was also married) and that it was not her first affair since being married from the age of 23.

I decided to inquire a little deeper into the subject and she quite freely explained that while her husband was kind, stable (read a good provider) , a good father to her child (and future children) , and a good husband insofar as he did not beat her and did not come home drunk every night, she was not in love with him and never had been. She went on to say that she chose him 'FOR THIS PURPOSE" of making a family and that love and sexual satisfaction had little to do with it. She found northing wrong with seeking love and sex elsewhere so long as she took steps to be discreet.

She could see that I was intrigued (if not puzzled) by her response and went on further to say that in Russia you don't go seeking the perfect life unless you are an oligarch's daughter. The idea of falling in love, getting married, making a life and having children (in that order) is a bit of a fantasy and if you go into a relationship with this ideal, you will surely be disappointed and live your life in misery. She told me that she and her friends all believe that girls always fall in love with the "wrong man".

In the wake of the Presidential election on Sunday, I am starting to understand why Putin won 64% of the vote. People may not be in love with Vladimir Putin, he is clearly a good provider and a source of stability.

[Prosal]

Russian Interior Ministry statistics (seconded by UNHCR and some ONG) say that a total of 14, 000 women die annually from domestic violence in Russia, which makes one each 40 minutes.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...en-on-the-rise

No wonder why foreigners are successful in FSU.