Russian Women - Opinions and Advice

[DavidVanSchuma]

A more philosophical question for the older married / divorced guys. In your personal case, what was the turning point in the marriage where things changed with the wife?

[Capistrano]

I'm just curious. I have not told any of my Russian girls that I love them. The most I have done is say "I adore you."

That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me. Yet neither has said that they love me. Is it a forbidden thing for Russian girls to say "I love you" first? I have never had a girlfriend that did not say those words before I did.

You should be the first to say that and wait for their reply. Maybe Russian girls are a bit nervous that's why they are not the first one to say it, they are afraid of rejection.

[Stravinsky]

I was just curious as I have dated many girls in my life and any other that I have gotten this far in a relationship had already said it.

Interesting... obviously you are not talking about the Russian girls you have met.

Can't help but be curious, what are the nationalities of these other girls? Are you talking about; American, European, Latin, Asian?

[Jake993]

Well, I certainly would not get married to a girl that I thought did not love me or even one that would not express it if I did think they in fact loved me. But I am not looking for marriage or love here. I was just curious as I have dated many girls in my life and any other that I have gotten this far in a relationship had already said it. I was just wondering if it were some kind of cultural rule that the guy say it first in Russia.

Yummy,

This is a REALLY complicated topic. Strav is right. Love and marriage do not necessarily go hand in hand. Russian girls are VERY pragmatic. Any that are over the age of about 22 understand the importance of security and stability. IE, post soviet instability and 1997 financial crisis. Many turned to prostitution to survive and others married to men they did not love. Their daughters are now in their late teens and early 20's and have been taught the value of stability. Having said that, the IDEA of love and marriage is still something Russian girls dream of. Will a Russian girl marry a stable, kind man whom they did not love romantically? Absolutely 100% for sure, yes.

Now, just because she's married does not mean she is not looking for romance. This is where it gets tricky. Just because a 32 year old hottie is married to a stable (but boring) husband does NOT mean she is not looking for action. To me, this sub group is the most interesting of all. Aw hell, who am I kidding? I just like the fact that once they screw your brains out for 3 hours, they shower up and go home to their families and EVERYONE is happy!

Sorry, I wandered a little off topic. To answer your question, no there is no cultural rule. There are romantic girls and thee are pragmatic girls. A lot will say they love you because they think you want to hear it. But then again, just because they don't say it does not mean they don't love you for fear that they will scare you off. I had an unfortunate experience lately where I split up with a very nice divorced lady I was (am) very fond of. Sex was great, we got a long good and I thought we had a really nice casual relationship because she never said she loved me. She did say she liked me and I thought this was just great because I really liked her too. But when the relationship started getting a little too close I started putting a little distance betweens us. She pressed me for answers and when I told her that we really did not have a future together, she was destroyed. Turns out she WAS in love with me. I just did not know it. Of course I am giving you the short version, but that's it in a nutshell.

By being honest, I drove her away. I'm sure I will look back and see that I did the right thing. But it sure does not feel very good.

[YummyPL]

Yes, of course, but do they love You? Jonners is right, don't confuse love with marriage, they are two different things.

Is it important to you that they express their love for you?

Well, I certainly would not get married to a girl that I thought did not love me or even one that would not express it if I did think they in fact loved me. But I am not looking for marriage or love here. I was just curious as I have dated many girls in my life and any other that I have gotten this far in a relationship had already said it. I was just wondering if it were some kind of cultural rule that the guy say it first in Russia.

[Stravinsky]

That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me.

Yes, of course, but do they love you? Jonners is right, don't confuse love with marriage, they are two different things.

Is it important to you that they express their love for you?

[Jonners]

No it's not forbidden for girls to say I love you before you do. I have had Russian girlfriends do this. But it does mean a lot for them to say it, I have pushed girls in the past to say it and it has not gone well. But also remember that just because they would marry you does not mean they love you. Marriage in Russia is more of a business like arrangement and especially for older girls love is difficult to be told)

I'm just curious. I have not told any of my Russian girls that I love them. The most I have done is say "I adore you."

That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me. Yet neither has said that they love me. Is it a forbidden thing for Russian girls to say "I love you" first? I have never had a girlfriend that did not say those words before I did.

[YummyPL]

I'm just curious. I have not told any of my Russian girls that I love them. The most I have done is say "I adore you."

That said, I am almost certain that two of the girls I am dating would say "Yes" in a heartbeat if I asked them to marry me. Yet neither has said that they love me. Is it a forbidden thing for Russian girls to say "I love you" first? I have never had a girlfriend that did not say those words before I did.

[Iceberg27]

I feel ya Iceberg.

I'm following your posts from Ukraine thread and came here. I understand this is Russian / Ukraine forum / topic. However, the amount of time, energy and money you spent to get laid with freebies would have gotten you 100 lays in The Philippines easily.

I'm now realizing how easy it is in Philippines. As grass is greener on the other side thingy and people get bored eating same food everyday, I started researching on Ukraine/

Everyone speaks english in Ph and there is no issues of discrimination etc. You will feel like a king in Philippines.

As they say." Once You Go Asian. You Never Go Caucasian") good luck

I understand very well what you mean because I was in Thailand two years ago. Philippines must be similar. I also know pinays very well because when I am twenties I was a fun of yahoo messenger Philippines chat rooms. They are also passionate women. First reason that I don't go there is my taste I am much more into blonde and tall women. And second reason is Philippines is about 12 hours flight from here so you need at least ten days vacation for it nless not worth to get 24 hours total flight.

EE is just 1 to 3 hours flight from istanbul. Thanks for your advices. If I can learn how to deal with EE women it will payback a lot to me.

[ModelMonika7]

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[Starchild2012]

My questions;

1) I ask maybe 50 girls here mostly semi pros but I always take no it s just because that I can't speak the language or they are not very much into Turks by the way I am 34 years old average look and overweight.

2) If I go tomorrow night I should see them waiting me and should I have a chance with her.

I am very open to your analysis please feel free to comment any part of the story. Not just focus on questions

I feel ya Iceberg.

I'm following your posts from Ukraine thread and came here. I understand this is Russian / Ukraine forum / topic. However, the amount of time, energy and money you spent to get laid with freebies would have gotten you 100 lays in The Philippines easily.

I feel this is way too much effort on your side to get laid. This shouldn't be this way. I'm not sure your taste on women. May be you only like blond Caucasian women. But if you are just looking for fresh P***y all day and night for free (plus usual dinner etc). You should try Philippines once in your life. I guarantee you will be Sexed Out.

I'm now realizing how easy it is in Philippines. As grass is greener on the other side thingy and people get bored eating same food everyday, I started researching on Ukraine / Russia and due to visa issues, got it delayed. I just wanted to find a new place for vacation after spending couple of years in Philippines.

If you just want pure fun with no hassle and drama. Go to Philippines. This is way too much work for mongering to get laid when you have money and time. You should be getting laid every hour.

I understand the taste in women. Its good to have change. But, just to keep a BASE, where P*sy will be waiting for you 24/7 I would suggest go to Philippines and to hunt and wait and play the endless game, we can try all over the world.

I'm sorry if this was off topic regarding your travel. I just felt you should know other places where you could easily get laid with 1/10th the effort.

Everyone speaks english in Ph and there is no issues of discrimination etc. You will feel like a king in Philippines.

As they say." Once You Go Asian. You Never Go Caucasian") good luck

[Iceberg27]

There was a section of the forum regarding semi pros or just a link for a report of distinction somewhere I couldn't find it if someone remembers please tell me. Anyway let me tell you my story and you guys make the analysis because I am really so conficious about it.

I am in Evpatoria / Ukraine for mongering purposes mostly for freebies and semi pros. (I didn't put this Ukraine forum because many russians here and some of them that I talk to were russians. I had gone to Frigat restaurant because a taxi driver told me all p4p action going on there. About ten o clock the place was crowded and before I leave I had decided to take the shot. I had approached a table just next to stage and asked them to drink smt with them. They hardly understand what I tell them. I don't speak Russian by the way. Not even basic. The younger one shake her head and the older one said no after her. I moved to the other table and I was lucky the woman was an english teacher in novosibrisk and she allowed me to sit. There are three women two middle age Tatiana and Elena an the third one is 37 whyear old named Lina. Elena told me that only Lina is single an her and Tatiana are married. Very good news so I can easily focus on her. Tatiana and Elena are just 5 and Lina is 7. Lina has very little english and very cold and distant in the beginning. I am pushing and I am lucky because Elena is supporting me a lot. Tatiana and Elena going to dance and pass the seat next to Lina. She is getting warm and warm. Tells me a th&305; usand thing in Russian but I only understand 5% of it. I repeatdely use the phrase that I had memorised from Russian dating site. Ty takaya dobraya and some other versions of this. She is getting bored of these and says harasho harasho but things are going on a funny way. We go to stage for a slow dance and things really going fine but she is asking me to go to dance floor and try other girls I say no and telling her to marry me. This is being done in a joyfull atmosphere and Elena and Tatiana are having a lot or fun. They have this bottle of champagne and she drinks a bit more and telling me she is drunk. We go to dance floor a few times more and I succeed to take a few french kiss from her. Showing me her bra. I put my hands all over her body and she is comfortable with it. While we are dancing she puts her on my back She is asking why I just drink water. I tell her it bothers me if I drink too much (the real reason is to be able to make hard mr. Dick if we go to my hotel.) At the end they are telling me they will be here tomorrow at 9 o clock and they have to go to Randevu club because they have some friends there that waiting.

My questions;

1) I ask maybe 50 girls here mostly semi pros but I always take no it s just because that I can't speak the language or they are not very much into Turks by the way I am 34 years old average look and overweight.

2) If I go tomorrow night I should see them waiting me and should I have a chance with her.

I am very open to your analysis please feel free to comment any part of the story. Not just focus on questions

[MoscowDreams]

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[MoscowDreams]

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[Prosal]

Just for the record.

Hmmm. Forgot to finish the post.

Anyway. About tattoos. I have big and colored japonese-style Kois (carps) tattoos on the arm, covering the shoulder and the arm till the wrist (which doesn't prevent me to wear refined and styled clothes) , and I noticed that it was a magnet for many Russian girls, especially the most cosmopolitan and "arty" ones. Art tattoos are not really popular in FSU, but from a recent stay in Moscow, I remarked that a wider cross section of society, especially the cosmopolitan and trendy upper-classes, get them.

Tattoos in FSU are rather a gopnik thing, but I think the days where middle classes looked down their noses at people who have tattoos infering that it's soley a working class (white trash as yanks say) practice are happily gone.

Any thoughts?